Where did laura say she voted for trump? Once again, your bias on full display like a baboon in heat. The country spent 4 years watching Biden slip into dementia. Do you think that's a good trait for a leader? The inability to coherently complete a thought? Forgetting the topic of conversation more often than not? Was it acceptable when it was happening to Reagan, or is that another thing you're ignorant about? What you mean to say is you don't respect anyone who doesn't validate your views, on every topic at all times because you believe that you're always right. JFC just STFU.

People in the US really believe we’re not exposed to propaganda and censorship 😂

That media bias works in both directions. And what democrats fail to accept, is that people have absolutely been listening to what the democrats have to say, what they have to offer, and they do not like it. The democrats keep running towards the extreme, while ignoring that most voters are moderates or conservatives and polls have shown for nearly a decade that voters are more likely to find a candidate to be too liberal, rather than too conservative. The number of voters registered as independents grew by 11 million compared against 2020. In 2016, 49.2 million voters registered as Dems, in 2020 it was 59.2 million.....in 2024, 48 million. Dems need to stop worrying about what the other people are saying, and start looking at why the things they're saying are not resonating with voters. Screenshot...5e-png.jpg

Iseefractals, Trump and MAGA lied about the Dems and you bought it hook line and sinker. I bet you think Trump can magically control egg prices too and that tariffs are a tax on other countries, too. Should Dems have lied as brazenly as MAGA does? That seems to be what you are suggesting!

Try and get this through your addled, simple brain. I'm not listening to trump. I'm not listening to republicans. I'm listening to what the DEMOCRATS are saying. I'm watching what the democrats are doing. I've spent years explaining all the many, many ways i do not agree with many of the views, policies and actions that have been voiced by both the politicians within the democratic party and the rabid screams of their supports. Each and every time, people like YOU ignore it all, list off something that republicans have done, pretend it negates the criticism or complaint of the democrats and proceed to argue that criticizing the dems must equate to support for trump, or the republicans. The only thing you're proving here is your ignorance and incompetence. If you can't engage any of the points being brought up, maybe stop making a fool of yourself.

@ninja: which left? K. harris is not and was not left!

She may or may not be, but the Democrats have adopted many far left ideas in direct opposition to the far right ideas of the Republicans. Both have become totalitarian, either you are with them or you are the enemy. The downvotes basically confirm this. Express any independent thought and you are shouted down by either side. Sorry not sorry if this offends, but the truth often hurts.

Criticizing Trump isn't an endorsement for the opposition. The man is not qualified for our highest office, period. Not to mention he operates and moves through life with ill intent towards everyone he has decided is the "other" and his actions are self serving at their very core.

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Ninja is an example of the laziest political position in all of politics. Screams "everyone is bad" and retreats to the corner. The problem is you are ignorant to politics and don't realize it if that is your take.

CP, how exactly do you know what I do politically? I am active politically in all levels from local to national. You are completely IGNORANT and need to keep your inane, judgmental comments to yourself.

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I don't know anything about what you do politically, but I wish you would stop since you can't tell obvious difference between two obviously different things. Do you also say all horses are trucks and expect to be taken seriously?

CP you are a prime example of what is wrong with America. You assume that since I do not share your exact political views, that I am your enemy. You assume since I am not left or right then I do nothing, which is completely false, but you never bothered to ask. BTW your comparison posed in your response is completely inane and does not have anything to do with anything being argued here. Please keep your inanity to yourself, no need to keep proving it over and over again.

No, the laziest example of political position is subscribing to party/identity politics. Doesn't matter what they say, do or want...as long as they're on your "side" then you nod along, mouth agape in blind support. And anyone who questions, criticizes or disagrees with the thoughts, feelings and demands of "your" group is treated as the opposition. When it comes to the left, that means labeling them as racist/sexist/phobic so that YOU don't have to consider or acknowledge anything, anything at all that doesn't align with what YOU personally, and specifically want. People like you are intentionally ignorant of any perspective that is not your own. Both parties have been hijacked by extremist views, that the majority of the population does not agree with....which is why the number of registered democrats dropped by 11.2 million people, while independents rose by 11 million since 2020. 48 million democrats, 54.1 million republicans, and 52.6 million independents in 2024.

Iseefractals, don't bother trying to reason with CP, they are rabid. Everyone who doesn't believe exactly as CP does, is the enemy.

Yeah....but that's pretty much all democrats at this point. They have an "all" or "nothing" mentality, but are confused as to why people don't latch onto them. To paraphrase an old adage "all it takes for stupidity to thrive, is for people who know better to stay silent" I'm not here to revel in the echo-chamber. I'm a democrat at heart...but i loathe what the party has become in recent years, even though i more closely align with them with most things. It's the points of contention that are driving people away, and part of what facilitated that problem was people who absolutely did not agree....staying silent. I'm not trying to convince CP, I'm arguing for all the other people who will read their comments, and be swayed because there's little to no pushback.

iseefractals, I agree totally.

Iseefractals, yes people that do that are just as bad as the bothsides brigade. However the bothsides brigade is far more annoying because they act like they are above it all.

CP, it's called being independent, something you have little to no concept of...

I love how you independently think, Jan 6, stealing 2 supreme court seats, stealing classified documents and refusing to return them, a secret delegate scheme to steal the 2020 election, colluding with Russia in 2016 (Roger Stone met with a Russian spy on behalf of Donald Trump), sexual assault, campaign fraud, pardoning the jan 6 terrorists, ukraine, gaza, etc... ect.. I could go on. But I am glad you independently think all that is okay. In order for people like you to remain in the center, you have to move to the right to following the Republicans. It takes special kind of person to watch what is happening and come your braindead conclusion.

And yet, despite all those things, democrats are still less popular! That's not an opinion. We just had an election that proved that across the board. 11 million voters abandoned the party, shifting to independents, or just abstaining altogether. Yet you, and the rest of your "but...but we just want health care and equality" continue to spend all your time talking about why the opposition is bad....ignoring everything about yourselves that people, (like me!) within your own party dislike. It's not about people liking trump, or agreeing with republicans. It's that they like YOU even less. They don't like democrats. They don't like their policies, they don't like the identity politics, reframed racism, the condescension, the hypocrisy, the inability to listen to or acknowledge criticism or disagreement and instead just lob insults and labels in a bid to ignore and dismiss. That you can criticize someone else, isn't going to make people dislike you any less, or agree with you more.

Really, really failing to see where exactly I said anything where I compared the Republicans and Democrats actions. Once again, where did I say that? You go on and on about feelings, but are not actually reading/comprehending anything actually being written. Just attacking based on your feelings. Hypocrite.

Quoting you, "Democrats have adopted many far left ideas in direct opposition to the far right ideas of the Republicans. Both have become totalitarian," You just can't stop embarrassing yourself. My guess is that you don't understand what the word totalitarian means. Totalitarian is trying to coup the government after a free and fair election. Give me the bothsides rejoinder for that one. What is the totalitarian Dem position? I would advise you look up the word and remember that it is okay to admit you are wrong.

CP since you don't understand totalitarianism: https://www.britannica.com/topic/totalitarianism. And yes, it is my opinion, that both sides of the US political system have become totalitarian...kind of like how you are attempting to control and direct all political opinions that differ from your own. Do you even get how hypocritical you are?

Give me an example! You can't just say something and it automatically is true. Religious people do that but I don't take them seriously just like I don't you right now. I am trying to direct political fact to show your feelings are ridiculous. What is a Dem example of totalitarianism? Trump just banned AP News over the name of an international body of water. That is totalitarian. Until shown otherwise you are a partisan hack cosplaying as an independent.

You are a perfect example. You attacked my political beliefs because they did not exactly coincide with yours. You belittled me, you said I am what's wrong with America, etc. All because we have different political views. So, yes, you are the perfect example as to what's wrong with totalitarian Democrats in America.

For a national example, the whole DEI woke movement. I agree with the principles, but feel that they have taken some ideas way too far. But if you have any independent thoughts or disagree in anyway, you are anti-woke and racist and stupid...etc. You have to be totally on board with every policy wholeheartedly or you are the enemy and to be destroyed.

And because I know you will totally go apesh!t over that, I also oppose Project 2025 and the attack on women's rights. I know it's confusing for you, but there are many, many people in the US who have both liberal and conservative views.

I don't see any examples, so it confirms you are full of it and exactly what I thought. No, I didn't attack your political beliefs for not aligning with my beliefs. I attacked your beliefs for not aligning with reality. Your failure to provide any example shows that all you have are beliefs. Beliefs are great and all, but if you want people to take you seriously you have to back up your beliefs. You made that new claim about me just not liking your views. Can you back that up or is this just a pattern of you throwing out baseless claims and getting upset when challenged about them.

CP, case proven by your own words. Uh, you don't see the examples I posted above? CP, you are truly a horrible, horrible person. Good bye.

Oh in case CP edits his comment..."I don't see any examples, so it confirms you are full of it and exactly what I thought. No, I didn't attack your political beliefs for not aligning with my beliefs. I attacked your beliefs for not aligning with reality." The rest of his comment is more inane babble.

It is weird how you found the words to type that you gave an example instead of restating the example. What is this mysterious example that you can't restate? Making claims isn't an example, it is just a claim. Maybe you just don't understand what an example is.

What examples? Give me one. Show me where that happened.

Open your eyes and look above at my comments. See the two comments that have the word "example" in the very first sentences? WTF!?!?!?!?

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Panda what you are doing is putting your head in the sand. I support the more sane party. I don't agree with them on everything, but I have eyes and a brain and can easily see both parties are way different. If you can't see that, I am scared that you possibly vote. You could say you don't like either party, but saying both are the same is ludicrously insane when you observe reality.

But in your rabid support of the "more sane party" you are more than willing to pass judgment and attack anyone who does not agree wholeheartedly with your opinion. Do you not see how "ludicrously insane" and ignorant this is? BTW you seem to be unable to get past that I said both parties are becoming totalitarian. In no way whatsoever did I say in any way that they have the same platform. Reading is fundamental.

You, how you talk, how you treat anyone who dares to differ, how you argue, how you ignore EVERYTHING that you dislike or disagree with, you are a prime example of why, again, 11 million people abandoned the democrat party. You are the reason that idiot was elected for a 2nd, non-consecutive term. And the worst part of that is, you can't even feign ignorance....because you've been told. You've been given example after example of why people no longer have faith in the democrats and you just keep spouting the same, tired "but but....look what those guys over there did" What they did, isn't the point. The point is that despite the fact that they did those things, people still have marginally more faith in them....then they do in your rhetoric. The people have spoken. If you're too ignorant and stubborn to listen, that's 100% your fault.

I don't see any evidence that you have eyes or a brain. You don't acknowledge any criticism of the democrats as valid. You don't agree with them on everything? Name one instance. Where have the democrats gone too far? DEI and new age segregation on college campuses? Pushing the narrative that identifiers should always, always, ALWAYS be the first and most important factor when deciding...pretty much anything? The denial of biology in favor of feelings? Erosion of free speech in favor of feelings. The widespread support for a terrorist controlled area? The outright denial of decades of health research when it comes to body positivity? How about Biden pardoning his son, after making a big show of saying "no one is above the law" Get it through your head, most people do not, nor have they ever agreed with the insanity the left has been pushing for the past 10 years. They've just been afraid of rabid bullies like you, who view every criticism, of anything as an attack on EVERYTHING.

Iseefractals, damn, cut all the way down to the bone. Yeah, that pretty much sums up most of my problems with the extreme policies the Democrats have adopted. The Republicans are no better by any means, hence I am an independent.

What criticisms? 1) DEI? Wow finally an example. What was wrong with expanding the pool of qualified people for jobs? That's all DEI did. Are there instances where it may have gone too far, I am sure. Let's fix that specific part. DEI was a success by any metric. People just don't understand what it did. 2) What "narrative on identifiers"? My guess is that you don't think people should be able to ask others to refer to them a certain way. That you don't think other people deserve that respect. Correct me if I am wrong on that one. 3) Democrats don't deny biology. Democrats understand one simple fact biology and gender aren't the same. Science agrees with Dems. This isn't complicated. Biology exists even if humans die. The idea of gender dies with humans. That is all that means. Humans made up gender it isn't written in stone like sex in biology is. 4) What free speech erosion? Free speech is a government thing only. continued next ran out of space.

The only people confused about what DEI does is the people supporting it. DEI is attempting to push equality of outcomes, through the assumption that equality isn't real until every facet of life is divided along population of each demographic, and if that means throwing merit out the window, who cares! Harvard was recently sued over their standards for admittance to medical school. White people with the highest possible MCAT scores are less likely to be admitted than a black person with the LOWEST possible MCAT scores. Hmm....sounds kind of discriminatory to me. DEI on its face, divides everyone by race, sex, gender, orientation and presumes those metrics are more important than all else. You're no longer looking for the best...you're looking for the best within a smaller group and ignoring anyone outside of that group that is better. Look at the games, the industry has been "prioritizing" DEI and diversity for the better part of a decade, hiring people based off Identifiers....cont

rather than skill, experience or talent. Mechanics, character development, story, world building all have taken a back seat to making sure all the characters are the "correct" race, sexuality or gender identity. $100-$200 million games that spend more than half a decade in development, and yet they lag behind in all area's of compared to games that released 10-15 years ago. One once beloved studio after the next shutters it doors, while the games journalists try to gaslight everyone into believing "well....actually it's GREAT!" Avowed is the most recent, Dragon Age veigaiid before it, concord before that...and that's just in the past few months. And eventually when the developer is forced to admit that the game was a failure, what is the response from games journalists and developers? "Everyone is racist/sexist/phobic! It's obviously not the game, because look at all the diversity! Diverse developers, diverse characters, virtue signaling content!" Cont...

It's more of the same in the entertainment industry at large, look at Disney, marvel, Lucasfilms and every remake, reboot and reimagining that's only new take is "it's exactly the same, but more diverse! That's what happens when you prioritize optics over content. Pronouns? No i don't think anyone else has the right to COMPEL someone else to use specific language, nor do i think anyone should be punished for failing to do so. It's called free speech. That's what people can't seem to grasp, you can ask....and almost everyone will gladly oblige. That's different from trying to limit, or compel speech, or thought. Democrats don't deny biology? THe left has tried to argue that there is a difference between sex and gender....and yet they still want to treat gender as equating to sex. The whole notion of allowing transwomen to compete in female sports ignores basic biology, go look on youtube for the transwomen talking about their "need" for tampons.

4) What free speech erosion? Free speech is a government thing only. The twitter files showed no such erosion. Do you have any examples of this happening? Republicans are far worse in this respect actually using the power of the government to punish people who don't like AP news. 5) Wide spread support for a terrorist controlled? Are referring to Gaza? That is a gross simplification of the situation. You are begging not to be taken seriously with a comment like that. It shows you don't think about complex things at all. 6) Unfamiliar with the body positivity thing, but even if true pales in comparison to denying the science of global warming. 7) Biden pardoning his son is defensible in the current environment. Trump has promised to go after people politically and convinced too many Americans (you included it seems) that Trump's lawful prosecution was only politically motivated. Need more space to wade through your surface level BS, and so it continues.

Take a look up in Canada, misgendering or deadnaming someone is illegal! The UK has instituted draconian laws that permit ANYONE to report ANYTHING they find "offensive" to the police. Which triggers an investigation, which should someone say...be looking for a job which runs a back round check that check will return a criminal investigation....and at the very end of the documents will specify the crime as "non-criminal", gee wonder how many potential employers get that far. That's the kind of stuff the left, in the US is on board with, because the left believes that everyone has the right to never, ever be offended. In the mean time, the left is happy to just label anything and anyone that doesn't align with their views as racist, sexist, phobic, Nazis, fascists....and the result is the same, it doesn't matter if the claims hold water, only that the public outcry arguing is loud enough. cont....

When a subset of the public is arguing for limits to free speech, and the government is pandering to it, placating it, respecting it... well we've seen how that plays out with all the other points here, haven't we? Hamas are terrorists. It's not a debate. They led 7000 strong into israel, killing 1300 civilians, including children! Kidnapped a couple hundred more, which they raped and tortured. Hamas has the stated goal of the eradication of the Jewish people. Not Israeli's. All of them. Women have no rights, gays have no rights under Hamas rule. Reasonable people know that Hamas is the problem....but Hamas is rallying Palestinians to carry out atrocities....and yet people like you keep trying to separate the two. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67480680. You villify those who want peace and deify those who have the stated goal of genocide. Lot of German civilians died during WW2...should the allies have tried to talk it out while the gas chambers kept running?

7) Biden pardoning his son is defensible in the current environment. Trump has promised to go after people politically and convinced too many Americans (you included it seems) that Trump's lawful prosecution was only politically motivated. Besides Trump did the far more egregious thing and pardoned his Russian coconspirators. Yes the Mueller report and Senate Report on Russian Interference shows collusion between Trump and Russia. Prosecutors said they could get enough for the actual criminal charge of conspiracy. Finally what insanity? None of it seems odd when you actually look into things. You just take the word of a politician and let them do the thinking for you. DEI is bad is a prime example. What do you think DEI is? Whatever you think it is, you believed a lying politician and didn't question it because you don't have a clue what it is. Do you have anything of substance or just your feelings on matters you don't understand?

We're not talking about trump. We're not talking about republicans. We're talking about the failures of the democrats, and the left, and why the majority of the population has run screaming from them. And once again you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head. "Something is only bad if it's done by the people i hate" No, Biden going back on his word, abandoning the "principals" he claimed were so very, very important, is not defensible. He's the one that made it an issue, he's the one that chose to stand that ground, and he abandoned it at the 11th hour. That's the problem that people have. Had he kept his mouth shut about it, if he'd just pardoned him right away, yes some would have dragged him, but most would have understood. But he held himself up as morally superior.....and as soon as their was no longer any upside to singing that song, he showed his true colors. It has absolutely nothing to do with trump. If something is wrong, it's wrong.

That you can point to someone else, and say they've done wrong, or they've done worse....doesn't make you right. It's like being arrested for assault and saying "but look at all the murderers" Try to get this through your head, trump has nothing to do with anything i've said. Nor do the republicans, i am a lifelong democrat....and while that was once a point of pride, it's become a mark of shame over the past few years....because i listen to people like you! I listen to what the democrats say, think and want....and while i align with a lot of it....the area's in which i don't, are pretty important. Most people feel the same way, and dems, like you just don't hear it. They just blame trump and pretend doing so makes them smart.

That's the political reality. It's not an opinion, it's not a celebration, i'm not arguing that it's a good thing, and it's certainly not a bid of support for republicans. It's simply the way things are. But democrats think the answer is to continue doubling down on the extremes, playing the victim, labeling everyone else as stupid racist, sexist, phobic monsters and screaming that __________ will DIE if their every single demand isn't met. Ya know, exactly what you're doing now! Exactly what you always do when challenged or confronted with evidence that you are not, in fact, the center of the universe.

Give me an extreme Dem position. Nothing on the Dem side compares to project 2025. People have brain rot into playing the appeaser and only give cover to the side moving. I really would love an example because people keep claiming these "bothsides" are extreme are just empty words.

You really, really need to open your eyes and look how far left that the Democrats have swung in the US. Guess the brainwashing worked really well on you, CP. I am of course assuming you have the necessary equipment for said brainwashing...you do parrot some excellent propaganda though! /s

Ninja, give me any example of Dems equal to Jan 6, the fake elector scheme, stealing 2 SC seats, lying about the election being stolen, and all the things going on in the new presidency. Give me anything. You can't because you have nothing but hollow words.

This is NOT about comparing the two. I said both sides have swung too far to their respective extremes. Pay attention. You are a prime example of what is wrong. Just attacking me like an enemy because I do not share your political views. I am independent, I have some liberal views, some conservative ones. I cannot vote for the Democrats or the Republicans as I think both have gone too far to the extremes. Try to wrap your mind around that. I support neither the Democrats nor the Republicans. I am politically active. I have different political views than you. Grow up.

The ninja is hallucinating …

And Lou has lost his/her way.

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Lou is one of many who just don't understand society.

Far from it, try something new and pull your head out of the sand, Julia. Ignore the propaganda and pay attention to what is actually happening. It will require time and thought.

Totally! The Dems are the same as MAGA and I am smart like a ninja for saying that, right? Come one Ninja, tell me how the Dems are the same as MAGA. Take your time and think about how stupid you sound.

CP, another completely inane comment. You are batting .000 so far! Congrats! /s I said they are both becoming totalitarian. I know, big word, have someone explain it to you. They demand complete obedience to their platforms, like you keep proving again and again here with your intolerance and complete ignorance.

Side note* CP, are you delusional? Is reality a problem? Just checking since you seem to not understand what is being discussed here. Where exactly did I say that the "Dems are the same as MAGA"? Are you seeing things that are not being written here? Pink elephants and the such? Take a deep breath and read what I wrote again. When I said the "extremist views the right and left have adopted" I meant the extremist right views the right has adopted and the extremist left views the left has adopted. I know, it's very complicated for you, but not really.

You haven't given anything but your useless words and feelings. I don't care how you feel. I care about reality. You are what is wrong with this country.

And you think attacking anyone who has different political views is, what, good for this country?

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Now, now girls your both pretty. No need to insult. That just derails quality discourse on this issue. Extremism, regardless of party is not the norm, not really. I bet we all have way more in common on our perspectives than it would seem.

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Like finding all the tax payer money being sent to causes and other countries that do not benefit the American citizens? It is radical but it is needed to rein in all this govt waste.