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Coffee Shop Owner Bans Kids From His Place, And Some People Are Seriously Angry
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Coffee Shop Owner Bans Kids From His Place, And Some People Are Seriously Angry

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Bob Higginson, the owner of a small cafe on the English Riviera, is brewing up a lot more than fresh coffee these days. His decision to ban children under 12 from entering his establishment, but allow dogs, has sparked a boiling hot controversy in his community and online – but he’s standing by it anyway.

The Chart Room, Higginson’s vintage steamship travel-themed lounge, is located in the quaint fishing town of Brixham, Devon County. A sign on the door politely requests that patrons with children under the age of 12 find somewhere else to drink their coffee. It may sound harsh, but Higginson, who recently appeared on daytime TV program This Morning, has an arguably reasonable explanation for it. “Primarily we wanted to create a nice, relaxed atmosphere for our client base,” he stated. “There are nice and expensive artifacts around… And we’ve had things broken by children in the past.” According to local legislation, he’s within his rights to do so.

Reactions to the restrictive policy have ranged from encouragement to outright offense. One local resident, Wendy Moore, has even called for a boycott of the cafe, which she deems “discriminatory.” Others, however, don’t seem to mind the idea of a little escape from the chaos that often follows with young children. Scroll down to read more, and add your view at the end.

This is Bob Higginson, the owner of a small coffee shop in Brixham, Engand, that bans entry for kids under 12

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Speaking on TV, he explained that the policy is meant to provide “peace and quiet” and prevent broken valuables

One Imgur user openly endorsed Higginson’s actions, which have since sparked a heated Internet debate

Many readers, who also liked the idea of a chaos-free environment, were inclined to agree

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Others, however, responded less kindly the restrictions, and have even rallied for boycotting

What do you think? Is this agreeable or unacceptable? Tell us below!

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Fordessa
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would be his loyal customer if I lived there! Sure all kids aren't noisy and bratty, but I've had my share of meals being ruined by an unruly child that wants to run around, bang about cutlery, and scream and shout while the parents don't give two cares. Besides, it's only one cafe among thousands that are child-friendly. I don't see what's all the fuss about boycotting. I'd welcome this place with open arms! x)

Scott White
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

@SomeGuy Not all Convicted murderers are guilty either, but when creating a policy it's best to stick with it and not make exceptions.

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Aubrie Allen
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this! I choose not to have kids, so it's nice to go somewhere and not have my dining experience ruined by kids. If you have kids, just go somewhere else, to one of the other million establishments that allow kids. Simple as that!

Puddles
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SomeGuy, I agree with you on this. I was an army brat, and my parents were constantly laying down the law about Daddy being responsible for everything I did, so I get your point. The problem though is that society has gotten lazy and allowed self-discipline to lapse. And until it gets its act together, the very thought of unruly kids are a fact of life. Sane thinking people want peace and quiet and will flock to a business like the one above, because the very possibility of peace and quiet means a great deal to them,.....myself included.

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E Kko
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are like 3 coffee shops per block and Kids under 12 shouldn't be drinking coffee anyway lol

Aunt Messy
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's no problem with kid-free spaces. If you have kids, go elsewhere. It's not that complicated. You may have to walk another fifteen steps to get there, but if that's your biggest problem, you've got it pretty good. ... This was a business decision as well. I'm guessing his insurance premiums dropped. Also, kids don't spend money. Adults do. Adults with no kids spend a LOT more money than parents do. ... My favourite pub, because of Byzantine liquor laws in Chicago is licensed as a bar that serves food. No one under 21 is permitted through the door, including infants. It's a beautiful place.

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Aunt messy, the only people complaining are the ones that never discipline their kids (ignoring kids doesn't work; if that work, people would not have gotten bullied since ignoring the bullies made them stop. Oh yeah, that always worked). They are always the ones that say something to the effect, you don't have kids therefore your opinion doesn't count. You don't have to have kids to have a valid opinions about kids. Most everyone was a kid and remember how their parents disciplined them (well, the ones that have parents that actually did their job). Can't complain about ageism as it exists in bars, clubs, senior care facilities, gyms, workplaces (as employees), just to name a few. You were not born with kids; you were single before you had kids.

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Carisa Weinfurter
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love it! My local is full of moms basically having preschool and singing kids songs over and over and over. So annoying!! Let us have adult space.

Cat Meow
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That coffee shop would see me on the regular. Enjoying peace and quiet outside of your own home is a rarity! If he's made it his (marketing) concept for his coffee shop, so be it. Just avoid it if you don't like it, just like I avoid all those specially-made-for-children coffee, shops, restaurants, etc.

Anna Sheridan
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't see why this is so controversial there are plenty of resorts that are no children it's just so adults can get away for a bit

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't forget bars, gyms, clubs, senior care facilities, universities, theme parks, workplaces...

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Jit Ghosh
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

so according to the nay sayers, libraries are discriminatory towards screamers. airlines with economy class are discriminatory towards poor and prisons are discriminatory towards criminals. Sound logic

Sheila Robinson
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I imagine he has no problem with well behaved children but the number of badly behaved ones put him in a difficult situation. I like (most) children but I have seen kids in shops and cafes whose parents let them do whatever they want, and expect the business owner to absorb the cost. Earlier this year I was in a cafe that had a load of signs in the loo about not flushing odd stuff, and when I asked what it was all about the owner explained her place had been flooded by people trying to flush all kids of odd things (scarves, bags, an umbrella etc) and she had enough of it. I guess what they all want is a no arseholes policy, but that's difficult to enforce.

Mixedupste
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really don't see the problem with this. Kids shouldn't be drinking coffee for one, and then adults should be able to have their own space. I have a 4 month old baby who is good as gold, but I wouldn't be kicking off because children aren't allowed! There maybe people in there who are having a break from their kids and this is what they need. Yes some kids are good as gold, some are noisey and destructive. Let them blow off steam in a park or play gym, not a coffee shop. This guy needs to stick to his guns and not let people intimidate him. You could probably bet that the people who are boycotting would have never stepped foot in there anyway. Just complaining as they have nothing else to with their lives.

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is why McDonald's has play places; and they have coffee if these formerly SINGLE AND CHILDLESS people whom are NOW married and full of children don't need that few minutes break from everything. They seem to forget where they come from.

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Little Menace
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nowadays it seems children are some people's gods. There is nothing and nowhere they can't do or go. Pubs used to be for adults to get drunk in and have chats with each other. Now they are no smoking zones with free crayons at the entrance and we have to suffer them playing catching among the chairs. I swear that I am amazed children are not yet allowed in strip clubs. Why not? The stripper could wear clown costumes and the kids could all play in a designated area. I mean really. Some people don't fancy kids but love animals and we need to be catered for. I truly believe this place is lovely to be in.

Lazy Panda 2
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I got told off for swearing in the bar, "because children are present." When I pointed out that children shouldn't be in the bar, they are legally restricted to the lounge, the parent got really angry. There's places for children and places for adults only. I would imagine a lot of parents enjoy the odd time in a child free zone!

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Ture Gustafson
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

we need MORE child free zones. your f*****g brats shouldn't be everyone else's problem to deal with. I think all places should be child free by default.

John Louis
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ageism is not a form of prejudice. Children are by definition at a different developmental stage (although there are obviously individual differences). There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to be around people at this stage of development.

Lisa Parrey
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ageism refers to the other end of the population and in reference to not employing someone due to their age.

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Danielle Bercier
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spoiled bratty kids with their indulgent parents are main reason that I avoid certain restaurants. I think this guy has a great idea - and good for him for sticking to his guns.

Christina Waide
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mom of three I am 100% supportive and wish I could visit WITHOUT my children. I saw a bumper sticker "I child proofed my house and they still got in!" hahahaha. On the flip- it annoys me when adults seemed bothered by well-behaved kids in obvious kid places like Disney or the zoo. Like they're surprised kids are there and move in front of small children to see.

James Warner
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If more mothers and families were like you, the world would be so much better. Oh wait, you remind me of my mother. That's why your awesome. I expect to see kids at theme parks and actually prefer that. That's the point of those places, to have fun, and to celebrate things we can all do together!

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Miata Myk
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

100% GOOD!! It's his business, he sets the rules, and this one is perfectly reasonable. More power to him!

BREAK YOUr perceptions
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

controversy around this is absolutely ridiculous. its a proven and well known fact that children as a whole can be unruly energetic and reckless. YES there are kids who are well behaved, but how many kids really want to go to a coffee shop? no one is throwing a fit over kids not being allowed in casinos or bars. and before anyone checks me on it, yes there is a legal element to it at those places. but the point is there are places in this world where kids are not allowed and for good reason. this isn't "ageism" this is creating a child free space for adults who just want to have a cup of coffee without worrying about the disruption of kids *who for the most part are usually unruly due to their parents* more power to this man for taking control of his business. if you don't like it, don't go there.

Ivana
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great idea! There are plenty of places for families but the only place for adults only are strip clubs and bars and I have no urge to go to a strip club and I live in a college town so the bars are pretty much the same as drinking in a daycare. It would be nice to go to a place and know that there will be no chance of screaming children.

Sanchit Jain
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Super decision. A question to people who are hating this guy - will you contribute to the loss of the ornaments this dude lost due to knocked off by Kids, if you can't then shut the fck-up.

James Warner
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course they will not, "it's just kids being kids". When I was a kid and broke stuff, my parents replaced it and when I was little older, I had to pay for it out of my allowance. Now, I only break my own stuff.

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Ture Gustafson
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not every environment should be kid friendly. kids tend to be f*****g annoying. there should be more of this.

Kati
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this. Kids are fine - but not all of them and not in every place. In my country, there are a few cat cafes, and as I know, for cats good there are no children under 12 yo allowed.

Joel Davis
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Private business, he should have the right to refuse who he wants. If people don't like it, don't go.

Orange Mannequin
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Omg! If only more places could do this!! I love kids, helped raise 3 sweet, well-mannered, courteous children. Other parents, especially in Scottsdale, Arizona, let their kids run amuck around restaurants & think it's cute. It's not.

Joyce Wendeln
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My door mat says my favorite quote..."Pets welcome, Children MUST be on Leash !"

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Cassiel Magem
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think is really good! Hell, if you want to bring your children everywhere just go to another coffee shop. Problem solved.

Zori the degu
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the best cafe in the world! Sorry, haters, but some kids are truly irritating and so are their parents because they don't do anything about their kids' behavior. I don't want any of those people hanging around while I drink my coffee, so I LOVE the idea of that man.

Angelicat
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids Are LOUD This happens Be grateful someone has created an escape space

Errorsaurus
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of people seem to be saying "oh well why can't you go to bars?". The thing is, the guy only doesn't allow kids UNDER TWELVE. In most places, you need to be a legal adult to go to a bar. That means that teenagers and parents of teenagers don't have a quiet place to go. Let's not forget people who can't drink for other reasons or who can't handle the bar scene, either. Hell, it makes sense to have a kid-free place for people who can't handle all the noise of bars. If a person has a good reason why they can't go to a bar because of all the extra things happening around them, why is it fair to make them go to a place where little kids are yelling all the time? This doesn't mean that I don't think kids should be allowed to have their own places. I do. I just think that it's nice to have a breather, even from the best kids.

Eva Duskova
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well done. Obviously that interior wasn't cheap and I can clearly imagine those stupid parents who thinks someone else should look after their kids

Kathleen McCormick
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are plenty of family friendly places. We need more child-free places for those of us who want to enjoy some peace and quiet. Thank you!

Konstantin Pogorelov
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love how people think private business policy is open to public debate. You don't like it don't go there. I would. Even more now that the owner refuses to be told what to do by self-righteous grievance seekers.

Sky
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There shouldn't be people trying to boycott this buisness, it's his buisness, if he doesn't want expensive valuables broken then that is completely understandable. Kids don't even need to be in a coffee shop anyway. A while ago I lived in an apartment with vey thin walls and the next door neighbors kids screamed constantly, I know some kids aren't like that, but it seems like the people who don't take good care of their kids have the least trouble making kids, while there are good people that have such a hard time having children. I'm totally for the child free living complex idea too.

Fay Brewer
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm really anti-libertarian for the most part, but looking at his digs I think he is being fair. Kids are little whirlwinds of destruction. Dogs mostly wouldn't impact all the little delicates at the level where they were, but kids would. He's setting up his place with a certain decor. It's his place. Don't like it the restrictions he feels he has to have to maintain his place? Don't go there. We don't complain about "No shirts, no shoes, no service" places, after all.

Adam Corder
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bad parents are the real problem. But he couldn't put that on a sign.

Krista Leary
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd go there in a heartbeat. Nothing wrong with a little kid-free haven from time to time.

Yugan Talovich
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Support! Sometimes I like to sit quietly without screaming children.

catherine waite
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to say that I like the idea of having somewhere where I can relax away from children. Sometimes it's hard to ignore the screams of children, and yes it's not the parents fault and the child is that it's a child. But sometimes it hard not to be the people at the other table pulling a face. So I think it's a nice idea. Just think it's a shame people are getting angry over it.

LaDonna Hulcy
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would LOVE this place and I think more entrepreneurs should open places like this. the world is covered in places that kids can go, it's a nice change to have a kid free space. they WILL get over it.

TC
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One post is simple on the matter. "Just give me a place to escape.."

Sherry L. Martin
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its a PRIVATE business. I personally like the idea of CHILD FREE space. I have been to several of the classier restaurants and its just totally ruined by parents that are so busy with their own issues that they allow their children to run around other tables, children taking items off other tables, using the restaurant as a play ground and the screaming. crying and just plain disruptive behaviour. As someone that has very politely asked parents to control their children and been abused for it, I for one am very glad that this business owner has taken this step. I don't choose to go to business that are normally inundated with large amounts of children such as McDonalds, Chuckie Cheese, etc, due to the fact that is seems completely acceptable that your children are free to run wild and do what they want in those types of businesses. I prefer to eat or have coffee in a more serene atmosphere. I too should be able to make to make that choice without it being labelled as discrimination.

Sheri Zison
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's falls under that age-old adage right to refuse service it's his business he can run it how he wants

Eileen Smyth
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a parent and in fact my own daughter was very well behaved in public places - except for two or three years there between the ages of 3 and 8. Well, guess what? We didn't take her out to restaurants between the ages of 3 and 8. It really is that simple, folks. Kids eating out isn't a necessity and it isn't a right. If your kid can't sit as peacefully as an adult then get a babysitter and go out without them. Trust me when I say that nobody finds your kids are as cute and charming as you do. And nobody wants to expend energy ignoring them in public, especially in a place where they're paying to eat.

Zori the degu
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good point. That's why I like dogs. I know it's a bit out of subject, but as my mum says about my pup: "Why grown-up dogs dislike him? Well, perhaps it's because dogs are not as big bunch of hypocrites as humans and they simply don't even pretend that they like children."

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dmittie
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like most of the posters here, I'm in agreement with this owner's 'no kids' rule. Kids have their own places and spaces, there are very few spots for adults to hang out, relax and enjoy some quiet conversation in peace. I like kids but they don't have to be included in every darn thing under the sun, people have gone overboard with catering to their kids. Want to let your kid blow off some steam, take them to an amusement park, arcade or Chucky 'The Place from Hell' Cheese.

Douglas Campbell
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his business and his decision. If you are unhappy with his decision, then simply choose not to patronize him. Parents need to comprehend that the rest of the world does not need to stop what they're doing to accommodate their children.

Cherie O
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have two kids, 16 and 18. When they were young, the few times they became loud, we left the store/restaurant immediately. They quickly learned not to do that in public EVER. Now, when I shop with them and they hear others being loud (not tiny infants, but the older ones who are throwing tantrums), they sometimes ask, "so we really didn't act like that in public??" I said, "not after a few times..." Kids learn.

Zori the degu
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm just like your kids. My sister and I also asked my parents if we were as bad as some other kids we see. They replied that we weren't. So, every time I complain about noisy kids and someone sardonically asks me if I think I was any different, I tell them that as far as I remember I used to draw quietly at the corner, when I was very young I simply didn't scream and when I was a baby, my parents were decent enough not to bring me in restaurants.

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Matt Lansell
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be MORE likely to go to this place simply because of the lack of screaming obnoxious kids. Sure not all kids are screaming obnoxious brats... and I'm sure YOURS are lovely... but many ARE obnoxious. Take them to a family restaurant, and let the grown ups have a place to themselves.

Sharon Halfhill
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wish people wouldn't take it so personal. There are 56 billion other places you can take your kids. Believe me, they aren't going to cry about it or have the attention span to care for that long.

Ignis Cattus
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

seem good place to let my mind play and fooling around in my imagination, while enjoy a cup of coffee~

Mary Venza Mosher
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would go just to get away from my kids! Nothing wrong with peace and quiet. Plus the sound of others peoples kids really sucks so I'm all about it😉

Nadine Lujan
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this idea! Goodness, not every place has to allow children. I don't have kids, but I have pets, and as much as I love them there are times I want a break. I am sure it is the same with parents - just a place to be with other adults. It's a coffee shop - it's not that big of a deal to all the people so upset.

Linda James
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was stationed in Germany in the early 90's, it was commonplace for children to be forbidden from restaraunts while dogs were allowed. The reason was that the dogs were better behaved. No one seemed to think twice about it.

Lulu Kubo
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a child myself I am okay with having adult designated areas.

Tory Klementsen
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a teacher and love kids, obviously. I spend all day with them. However, I don't have any of my own. Sometimes I resent that the only place I can go to not be with kids is a bar...and I don't drink! I have had so many quiet outings ruined by parents who do not parent. This would be my favorite place to hang out if I lived near here. It isn't that there aren't a thousand other coffee shops that kids can go hang out in. And let's face it, most kids are fine, but there are some that aren't and they are the ones who ruin it for others. Instead of blaming the proprietor of a place who gets tired of losing things he owns and other customers to the selfish whims of parents who think their kids do no wrong, be angry at those parents!

Valerie Green
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

its a solution to the issue caused by parents who let their kids run amuck in a restaurant. when I pay for a nice meal out its nice not to be knocked into by kids deciding a little game of tag is good after their meal.

Elizabeth Duval
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love that people in the article are calling for a boycott of the coffee shop. Great!! He doesn't want you there anyway!! Seriously how will this hurt him?

Pi...
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I kinda like this idea.... some peace, some quiet, my laptop, my book, myself, and my coffee.

Kerri Russ
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am 100% behind him. It's his establishment and if he chooses to decorate with valuables that are at risk of being broken by children (just curious children, not even those who are ill-behaved), he has that right. It's a private business. He may lose the business of those who disagree with the policy, but he may very well make that up with more business from those who desire a child-free atmosphere. My own parents would have LOVED to go somewhere that children weren't allowed that didn't serve alcohol but allowed adult conversation and enjoyment without the disruption of children. I'm a parent myself and from the age of 2 to 7 or so, we didn't go out anywhere because my son was so curious, he wanted to touch everything and run around. Because that wasn't our idea of fun in a nice restaurant, we frequented those places that had play areas or we didn't go out at all. That was our choice and we're comfortable with it.

Pam Mack
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great idea, not discrimination at all. I would much rather eat my meal with dogs than kids any day!

Becky Cason-Roy
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a childless middle-aged adult, I often long for someplace to relax free of children. It's not the children that bother me, per se, it's the parents who seem to think it's ok to let their children running around screaming and playing. They don't seem to realize that this is when they should be teaching children manners and respect. I can't count the number of times I e been in a restaurant and been subjected to this. One child actually walked up to my table and grabbed a handful of fries off my plate. Sigh.

Kate OSee
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love kids. Also love spending time away from them. I'm sure there's 9 other coffee shops on this street alone. Go anywhere else.

Taryn Wallace
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for him if a woman who owns her own restaurant can limit how many drinks an adult with a child can have because SHE thinks having 2 drinks is irresponsible then why can't this guy have a restaurant (or cafe) that strictly caters to adults?? And Bully's doesn't count because I've seen kids in there accompanied by their parents....and they are screaming and actin like damn fools...100% thumbs up

Hello Sīyī
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, people also want spaces where they can drink, eat, talk s**t and not be worried if a young child is listening. It's just one place that is more or less appropriate for a certain age or not. Why are people making a big deal out of it? It looks like the parents are the spoiled ones.

Sara Khan
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love this! Our coffee shops / cafées in my smallish town are overrun with kids, the parents are letting them run around unchecked, as if it's a daycare with cookies. I would definitely have a rule like this if I was an owner, it's bad business having kids taking over and 'scaring' away paying customers.

Lesley Spain
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I applaud his stand, a lot of people just want to sit in a quiet relaxed environment to enjoy their repast. With today's lack of discipline it is murder to go to a shopping centre. I wish I knew of a place I could enjoy a cup of coffee without screaming misbehaving kids who parents think it is perfectly alright to allow their kids to express themselves in a public place. Prefer the dogs. I had 6 children and they behaved when we were out no threats or punishment it was just the way things were.

Shannon McKee
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A kid younger than 12 has no business in a coffee shop. Coffee is the last thing they need.

Zori the degu
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally agree with you, Shannon. Unfortunately, some parents take their kids to the most inappropriate kinds of places. For example, last year I became obsessed with one particular group of mammals - the bats. The city centre's museums in Sofia organize a Museum night (with special events and free entrance) every year. So, I met my family in front of the Natural history museum for a lecture about the only flying mammals on Earth. Guess what? First, the hall was full of those damned screaming kids so I barely heard a word. But the worst was yet to come. The lecturer invited anyone interested to come in the backyard and join his attempts to track some members of the 3-4 local species of bat. Of course, the uncontrollable children had to touch every single part of the bat-tracking technique and listen to the beeps it made. No one told them off and within two minutes I became so angry that I just turned and walked away. You can't even educate yourself these days because of some idiots.

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Marco Alvarado Mirón
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate when babies start crying or toddlers start misbehaving, I think this is a great idea.

Shinomi Chan
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand the logic with that, so I at least have no problem with it. I do not hate kids or anything, but I do like some peace and quiet.

Michelle Mason
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his establishment his rules. Many meals, shopping trips, etc have been ruined by unruly children. When my kids were small they misbehaved we left. Period. We didn't ruin everyone's experience. And it never failed if my husband and I were out by ourselves we got seated by squalling kids. We started telling the hostess to sit us away from families or sat in the bar.... if I'm paying a babysitter to be away from my kids I don't want to be around yours.

Deirdre Battaglia
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree! Small children are not appropriate in all places! Parents if this gerneration don't seem to get it!

Younes Keraressi
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Finally a good idea, this guy experienced too much kid's noises and its really annoying so he get overdosed and then guess what? they got banned forever hahah i like it , just lets some places to only adult where they can speak on serious stuff. #Respect

Donna Chula
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think people get worked up over nothing ❗️You don't allow children in Bars & Nightclubs so what the hell why all the fuss ? I think it's a great idea. Now can we find Gricery stores that limit the hours children can be there ? Heaven it would be Heaven ❗️😂😁😂

Ralph Burton
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't like it?.....Don't go there.....it's his place, his rules.....I would do the same !!

Lori Thompson
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There should be 'adult only' places, and a coffee shop is a good one. I go to our local coffee shop to relax. Some children would ruin that, while many others would not. Making a blanket rule is a lot easier than kicking a particularly unruly child/children out. Besides, in all my years of coffee shop sitting, I've rarely even seen a child there at all. How boring it would be for them, in the first place.

Bierde Ozcean
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great idea, totally justified and within his rights to do so. I love kids and love their noise and they must be able to chain their energy in good outlets that can put it to great use, but not every establishment is appropriate for it. Not to mention that having a child free space for people who don't like it, or want to escape it from time to time is perfectly okay and admirable. I'd be a faithful costumer of this place and such initiatives should be encouraged, not shut down.

Sean Maury
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's hist store and he gets to make reasonable rules. I think he makes an excellent case for his decision. Those who use the word "boycott" aren't customers he would want, anyway.

Carolyn Clark
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in the States so have no real say in your local matters. But...until my daughter was a teenager, we went to family friendly places where she can be a child and it didn't matter. Once I knew she could sit still for an hour or so at a time (she was always very active), we then began going to places that were more adult-ish. Once she was in her late teens, we went to adult places. It's nice not to have to listen to children sometimes. And I'm a mother. I enjoyed going to places that were adults only once in a while. Chill without the kids.

TheMsLollidella
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Boycotting? That's a bit much and a waste of time :/ poor guy can't make his own rules for his establishment. If people don't like it, they can go to the other 3 coffee shops around the corner, no ones making them go. I'm not even a huge coffee fan (I like tea more) but coffee shops I've been to are relatively quiet and university students doing hw.

Mari Kekäläinen
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people who are taking generalized comments personally as if they are specifically directed at their children is part of a big problem with society. Why be offended when it has nothing to do with you? "If it don't apply, let it fly". :D I think it's awesome. Sometimes adults would like to sit and have coffee in a relaxed environment where they can have conversation or read without having to listen to children. And anyone who finds this offensive needs to just get over it. Even me as a parent, when my daughter was little, I loved having a little bit of me time. Unless this is the only place to purchase coffee in their town, I really don't get the problem.

Dara Lynn
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a privately owned business. Don't like his policy? Don't patronize his establishment. It's that simple. I had dinner tonight at a restaurant crawling with loud, rambunctious, children due to hosting a child's birthday party. I left with a migraine headache from the noise and no desire to ever eat in that a restaurant again, or any restaurant, where children are welcome. We couldn't even carry on a reasonable conversation because we couldn't hear each other across the table without raising our voices almost to the point of shouting. I would've left and gone elsewhere if it was up to me but it wasn't my choice, and we weren't alone. Leaving was not an option if I wanted to visit with my SIL who is in town for her job for the week. FYI, I DO have kids but they're grown ups now and I'm in my mid- 50's. These days, I appreciate having a quiet dinner accompanied by pleasant adult conversation. Being able to enjoy my morning coffee in the same atmosphere would also be quite pleasant.

Lynda Bolt
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agree entirely not everyone likes kids so it would be nice to have somewhere to go for a quiet cup of coffee and conversation that's not constantly disrupted by screaming kids

Jill Brown
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I personally wish they would have had places like this when my children were young. i used to get a coffee and go for a drive by myself just to get my thoughts together and my energy back. I love my children BUT everybody needs some down time away. I would have loved a place like this.

A.S. Galston
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I lived anywhere nearby I would be there every day. Great choice!

Debbie Gaab
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's great I wish there were more places with this rule. It would be great to go out to dinner and enjoy yourself without a bunch of screaming kids running wild while the parents stare at their cell phone screen and never look up to see what their kids are doing

Sharon Ingram
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually agree with him. It's a coffee shop. It's not intended for children. And no matter how well-behaved (cough) your angel drop is, expecting AD to sitt quietly while you stand in line, order your coffee, wait and then sit to enjoy your coffee, most likely with your cell phone plastered to your free hand, is a fantasy. There's nothing in this place to interest a child that is SUPPOSED to interest a child. There is a time and place for everything under the sun. And sometimes it isn't the time nor place you want. It's just common sense.

Rama Llama
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I need this kind of place. In here it's normal to even bring your goddamn babies to a BAR if it's not a night yet.

Katherine Antoniuk-Weiss
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love it! I'm a parent and my daughter was well behaved in public but she was not the norm. Parents today better start to wake up a little discipline goes a long way and from I see in our society today is parents thinking they have the right to have their children very badly behaving and disrupt everyone around them. Wish more establishments would adopt this policy.

Bessie Potter
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is his establishment. And the way some parents ignore their kids and allow them to be unruly and destructive. I don't blame him a bit and will be more than glad to give him my business. And consider. As an apartment manager we had a tenant whose kids damaged things. The first 3 times we fixed. The fourth time? We told her from now on she would be charged for the repairs. The damages stopped that very day. It is all in how they are raised. And too many parents allow the TV or the children's peers to 'raise' them. If you truly love and respect your children you would teach them there is a time and place for rowdiness. But then. I have met some parents who were pretty much left to their own devices and have no clue themselves. Six years ago a family restaurant banned children under 6 because parents were allowing their kids to throw food and trip up the waiters.

Katarina Pavićević
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mother of a well-behaved child, I can guarantee it's no big deal teaching a child to sit colmly in a caffe or a restaurant. Unfortunatelly, most parrents fail at that simple task so I can relate to this club owner and everyone else who supports the idea.

Karen Rice-Leroux
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His business, his capital, his belongings, his tireless hours running the place, taxes paid by him....his choice. This isn't discrimination - it is a business decision based on losses incurred by other people's little twinkle-stars. Don't like it? Too bad, go somewhere else. I had my kids and while they were well behaved, I would not take them to an adult oriented restaurant. It isn't the place for them and respect for what the owner is trying to create is more important than accommodating self-involved parents.

Jeanne Deaux
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BEST IDEA EVER. Finally a place where you can enjoy calm, enjoy a good book or a good coffee (or the 3 at the same time) without being annoyed by one of these noise factories called children. Finally a place where you can have a discussion without needing to scream so the other people hear you. Damn, there should be at least one of these place in every city of the world.

Crystal Franklin
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's a good idea. Sometimes it is so hard to go out with out hearing a child screaming. And that kills a experience. Even we'll behave get can have melt downs. It would be

Janelle Collard
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his place - as long as it's not illegal, he should be able to say "No kids under 12."

Kirsten
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have two children under the age of 12 (5 & 10 both boys) and, while my husband and I do get frequently complimented on the our kids behaviour in public, I totally agree with this. Please understand that, even if your kids are 'perfect', not all children are. I have told my son that certain friends of his can no longer come to our house because they have broken several items in my house. There is no way for this business owner to screen the behaviour of every child that walks through those doors and he shouldn't have to. I am a parent and I love my children more than anything else in the world but kids are freaking brats sometimes. Honestly, I wish I lived near this establishment, I'd get my coffee there everyday and if I had my kids with me, I'd go to a different coffee like a normal person instead of getting pissed off like a spoiled brat.

Usernameofgag
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this idea. I saw a lot of ignorant parent. and what do you expect it is coffee shop. Someone who need coffee is a grumpiest person alive, they don't w**g to be bothered. And kids under 12 doesn't need coffee,because they already happy with a glass of juice. So this idea is fair enough.

Mslyth Sunleaf
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed 100%. I love my nieces and I should say I don't hate kids, but it's nice to have a place with peace and quiet. Ageism is even a word?

Paul Osborne
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On numerous occasions I've had dining experiences interrupted by unruly kids while their parents carry on obliviously talking between themselves. Not all kids are bad but how do you differentiate? Even the best behaved kid can have a tantrum.

Andrew Keane
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like it. I understand the criticism but with so many coffee shops they don't all have to be for everyone. There are many you go to cafes to have a coffee, read quiet, have a chat. I go to draw. Kids being allow to run around like crazy can ruin that atmosphere. Having said that you could just as easily get teenagers in there who want to be the loudest in the room, to make themselves sound great among their friends. I as a kid would have loved to have been in that cafe, cause I love old nautical stuff. These kind of places should be allowed to exist though. It's not the only cafe in existence.

Cate Heckel
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I respect his intentions. If I lived there, I would happily go and enjoy a kid free zone. Others who disagree, can certainly head off to McDonalds.

Suzanne Elam
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It would be frowned upon if was in a children's playground using the swings, so why can I not have a cup of tea out in peace? Also children running around where there is hot food and drinks is dangerous.

Peg Labrecque
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I work in a retail store.many parents are not paying attention to their kids.my dept is next to toys that many parents use as babysitting area while they shop.meanwhile,pkgs. are being opened and light sabers being used.when I go to food court to get away,more noise.nothing wrong with a place to go for quiet and peace.when my kids were young,it was called a car,after my husband would come home.i knew when it was time for me to leave with my kids if we had to go somewhere.many do not .good for him.

Karolína T.
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have no problem with it. When I was kid people did not use to take their children to some places (restaurants, cofe, cinema) before they took proper manners (not necessary depending on real age!). If to do so today, any similar bans would be necessary... I also appreciate childfree zones. And "ageism" is presented overall, kids do not have driver licence or do not vote... How discriminating!

Wiz Allred
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Serve Irish Whisky in the coffee. Problem solved! You're welcome ;)

Eileen Miller
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it is fact a lot of people let their children run wild, they have no manners and their parents are either to busy on their phones or ignoring the fact their children are being rude . So yes I think it is a great idea I have had a few meals out where other peoples children have ruin the meal , if you want to take your children out then control them simply and do not expect the rest of us to endure their bad behaviour, I am a parent of two children who are now grown and we have always taken them to restaurants without the fear of them running riot .

John Calvert
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for that coffee shop owner. It's his establishment & it's his right to make the rules.

FreeBird
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love it !!! Also loved the adults only jacuzzi at my local Coronado resort, which happened to be filled with kids til I booted em!

Sebastian Sarabia
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No one have the right to force you to allow kids into your business... entitled parents equals entitled kids, the very same people who spits nonsense about how this is bad is the example of why the business owner is right... discrimination is bad when is based in the wrong ideas, but by definition discrimination is the separation of things, but stupid people just don't care about language they just barks and repeat whatever they hear "ageism is another form of discrimination"... omfg my brain almost implodes when i read that...

Elizabott
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like HEAVEN! I want kids to be able to kids - have energy, make noise, express themselves. It's their right. But I also want a place when I can guarantee a quiet, relaxing atmosphere. It's a risky business decision, and it's his risk to take. I would practically live here, were I a local.

Zvartun
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Definitely there should be more child free spaces, not everyone enjoys all the noise and mess especially paying for it

Laura Struthers
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have two kids, 6&4 and when i go anywhere without them i asked to be sat as far away from lids as possible because i want to actually enjoy my meal. If my kids are misbehaving and spoiling other people's meals then i take them out. It's as simple as that. Unfortunately so many adults don't parent properly anymore and let their kids run riot.

Joey Dunn
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are plenty of places where children are not allowed how is this different

Amalia Koch
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

blame their parents. who let them scream like crazy. some of them change dippers in the middle of the resturant. some of them let their kids run around like crazy. tjey think that they are the center of the universe

Greta Jackson
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do believe that there should be place other than night clubs that adults can enjoy without children. There are an abundance of places to go to for coffee that welcome children. And if everyone would be honest, what parent has not wanted or needed a time out from their precious Lil ones. Hence the word babysitters. IJS

Lira Mai
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not all people can tolerate kids. and there are some parents who just let their kids scream not even trying to comfort them. he owns it, he have the right to do it.

Mark Fuller
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally support the guy. Before I die, I'm adamant I'm taking a bunch of mates into Early Learning Centre to sit on the floor, get pissed, talk and swear loudly and generally behalf with utter disregard to other customers. See how parents and kids react when I encroach upon THEIR protected space!!

kalle1724
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His place, his rules. If you don't like...work your azz off and use your life savings to open your own place and allow who ever you want to come in.

Tiberiu Mocanu
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Personally i like the idea. I like being able to work in a coffee shop and not being disturbed by kids. But this should not be something imposed by the owner this should be common sense for the parents. Some places are not for children, they should be out in the park playing not sitting on a table in a coffee shop. But again this is my way of seeing this topic. sorry for my bad English

Azure Adams
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I want many more businesses to be child free and banned. If there isn't a sign explicitly saying banned then you some whiner (and wiener) parent is going to come in with their kid stating the kid is well behaved and then he's going to have to let every kid in and now it defeats the purpose of having an adults only business that is not a bar or strip club. Maybe I want a quiet cup of espresso without kids present and most definitely not their wiener parents

d r e a m w o r l d
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ageism is the very scum of the earth, pure and simple. Ageism is a sick form of discrimination that I as a decent human being will NEVER condone and/or allow. Ageism is something I experience every day in the digital world. I know a thing or two about it. But the surest thing I know of it? It's pure ludicrous. Some children are.well-mannered and behaved, as adults can be purely obnoxious. It would be better to set ground rules that you must be quiet. Everybody wins. Ageism is kicked down, kids get to experience the joys, and adults can drink coffee in peace as intended. I don't take ageism lightly, so I stand by boycotting this senseless and imprudent place.

Isk Ra
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am impressed by this idea. Dogs are calm and laying on the floor and waiting. Children are too energetic,but that's the because parents are lazy to teach their kids culture

Tim Jones
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good on him. It's about time that adults had somewhere to get away from children and relax.

Michelangelo
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people get mad at this but if a caffe bans men it's heroic

Lori Dennis
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's a great idea, I might have even banned kids up to 18! But then again, they can act like babies themselves LOL But seriously, it's his business and he has a right to run it the way he wants to. Don't like it..find another place!

Kathryn O'Connor
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I remember reading about a deli that had this policy in Chicago. the owner said that those who objected were the blond cheerleading beauty queen types who were very self entitled. hmmmmm.....

Vanessica Bloxgirl
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe this is an amazing idea, almost every cafe i go to there is always screaming, crying and so on, I dont want to be rude to the parents of children like that. What he did is a true accomplishment not a disgrace

Shelby Martin
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We're living in a world where specific clubs do still exist. Men only, women only, pick a designation. Teens. Religious. So why are kids something special? I didn't choose to raise your children so I'm fine not having them in my space. Don't panic, this is why I have a cat and house plants. Live and let live but that includes comfortable spaces for everyone. How is it fair that I should feel pressured by someone else's children?

Janpeta Czaaplejewska
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We were trained by our parents how to behave outside the house and I trained mine the same way. That way there was not any trouble and could be safely taken out and be relied on not to cause upset to strangers. A lot of kids these days don't even know how to eat with a knife and fork and certainly never ask to leave the table..

the Oracle
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sign in a shop: "Any unmonitored child will be given a free puppy and a cup of espresso."

Franc “BeingFranc” Floyd
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have kids. I like kids, however, I am unaccustomed to the noises of which kiddos make. I do own three German Shepherds. I am certain if someone came to my house, they would find that my dogs generate noises that the common person is unaccustomed.

frank0ys
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...That is his cafe, that is his policy. If you don't want the policy, then don't go to his cafe. Simple as that. Why do some people have to react so much over an establishment that doesn't want to cater to children?

Markus McCloud
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about a compromise: Under-12s can go in and place an order (with their parent's permission, of course), but they can only be take-out customers, not dine-in. I'll be honest, I'm kind of on the fence on the whole issue. I can see where he's coming from, but I can also see the parent's side of things.

Dan H
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my kids were little, I hated to take them to restaurant because of their potential bad behavior -- I get where he is coming form Then again, now they my kids are in their 20's my feelings I still hate to take them to restaurant because of their potential bad behavior

Nina Wum
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a childfree person who sincerely hates kids, I say: godspeed. Feel kinda sorry that I'm located on the other side of Europe and can't back this owner up as a client.

Robin Ong
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his restaurant and of course he has the right to ban kids to protect a niche. However we as the customers have our right to put this restaurant in our blacklist if we want to. No hard feelings.

Ben Peacock
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone who doesn't like kids around has lost their spark. Adults are boring. Kids unleash your inner child. Places without children are called retirement villages. Go drink coffee there.

Sherri Fournier
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so on the fence about this. I think it would be nice to sit and have a nice cup of coffee without having a kid screaming next to me...but, on the other hand, it's agism. It's banning someone according to age so what's the difference in banning people over the age of 70 because they hold up the line to long?

Sebastian Sarabia
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Simple, kids are not adults and kids doesn't know better, you can't blame kids for being kids but adults should and can be responsible for their actions... is very simple to understand and every adult should have this clear, is alarming that people like you tries to spread such level of ignorance and lack of understanding of context.

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.gas.
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have kids, but I would still boycott his shop. Any ban (travel ban, kid ban) has the potential to turn into larger discriminiation. Segregation in this country started when some people just want a "nice relaxing atmosphere" away from certain others.

Ahmet Garcia
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like i would like to go to a negro free café or a caucasian free or jew free or muslim free or ugly people free or gay free, is any of that ok? Maybe i m different and dont like faggots, or n****s or rednecks or rugheads or pakis, (great idea, pakis free fish n chips) so if it is ok a children discriminotory place based upon people 's taste no problem at all in any of these...better gays should where an identification like a Rainbow in there arms, Jews a blue one with a David star(Ops , i think someone from Austria just did that...can t just remember who...)

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You forgot bars and clubs that are either 18+/19+/21+ in most places, senior care facilities for the over 55+/65+ crowd, too.

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Ethan Firl
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7 years ago

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Yay! No kids means I can leave mine at home to watch one another. "Sorry kids, the place your mum and I want to got to doesn't allow children. Now be good and don't burn the place down while we're gone. Ta!". fucktard-5...cc-png.jpg fucktard-59b1695f87ccc-png.jpg

Stille20
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7 years ago

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Its a vote with you money situation. If you don't like it, don't go there. He's lost your money. Do you really want to go someplace where the owner looks down on your children?

Wanda Queen
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7 years ago

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Well to each his own but.....as a business owner I think it's pretty much always bad policy to alienate that much of your potential clientele.

Cassiel Magem
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whatever floats your boat. But it's actually much more effective if you classify and choose an specific audience. If your clients will be parents from 25 to 35 then make sure to add something for them and their children. Call it "parents cafe". Profit. I'm a Brand Strategist, but think worry, this one is for free.

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Fordessa
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would be his loyal customer if I lived there! Sure all kids aren't noisy and bratty, but I've had my share of meals being ruined by an unruly child that wants to run around, bang about cutlery, and scream and shout while the parents don't give two cares. Besides, it's only one cafe among thousands that are child-friendly. I don't see what's all the fuss about boycotting. I'd welcome this place with open arms! x)

Scott White
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

@SomeGuy Not all Convicted murderers are guilty either, but when creating a policy it's best to stick with it and not make exceptions.

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Aubrie Allen
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this! I choose not to have kids, so it's nice to go somewhere and not have my dining experience ruined by kids. If you have kids, just go somewhere else, to one of the other million establishments that allow kids. Simple as that!

Puddles
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SomeGuy, I agree with you on this. I was an army brat, and my parents were constantly laying down the law about Daddy being responsible for everything I did, so I get your point. The problem though is that society has gotten lazy and allowed self-discipline to lapse. And until it gets its act together, the very thought of unruly kids are a fact of life. Sane thinking people want peace and quiet and will flock to a business like the one above, because the very possibility of peace and quiet means a great deal to them,.....myself included.

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E Kko
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are like 3 coffee shops per block and Kids under 12 shouldn't be drinking coffee anyway lol

Aunt Messy
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's no problem with kid-free spaces. If you have kids, go elsewhere. It's not that complicated. You may have to walk another fifteen steps to get there, but if that's your biggest problem, you've got it pretty good. ... This was a business decision as well. I'm guessing his insurance premiums dropped. Also, kids don't spend money. Adults do. Adults with no kids spend a LOT more money than parents do. ... My favourite pub, because of Byzantine liquor laws in Chicago is licensed as a bar that serves food. No one under 21 is permitted through the door, including infants. It's a beautiful place.

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Aunt messy, the only people complaining are the ones that never discipline their kids (ignoring kids doesn't work; if that work, people would not have gotten bullied since ignoring the bullies made them stop. Oh yeah, that always worked). They are always the ones that say something to the effect, you don't have kids therefore your opinion doesn't count. You don't have to have kids to have a valid opinions about kids. Most everyone was a kid and remember how their parents disciplined them (well, the ones that have parents that actually did their job). Can't complain about ageism as it exists in bars, clubs, senior care facilities, gyms, workplaces (as employees), just to name a few. You were not born with kids; you were single before you had kids.

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Carisa Weinfurter
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love it! My local is full of moms basically having preschool and singing kids songs over and over and over. So annoying!! Let us have adult space.

Cat Meow
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That coffee shop would see me on the regular. Enjoying peace and quiet outside of your own home is a rarity! If he's made it his (marketing) concept for his coffee shop, so be it. Just avoid it if you don't like it, just like I avoid all those specially-made-for-children coffee, shops, restaurants, etc.

Anna Sheridan
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't see why this is so controversial there are plenty of resorts that are no children it's just so adults can get away for a bit

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't forget bars, gyms, clubs, senior care facilities, universities, theme parks, workplaces...

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Jit Ghosh
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

so according to the nay sayers, libraries are discriminatory towards screamers. airlines with economy class are discriminatory towards poor and prisons are discriminatory towards criminals. Sound logic

Sheila Robinson
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I imagine he has no problem with well behaved children but the number of badly behaved ones put him in a difficult situation. I like (most) children but I have seen kids in shops and cafes whose parents let them do whatever they want, and expect the business owner to absorb the cost. Earlier this year I was in a cafe that had a load of signs in the loo about not flushing odd stuff, and when I asked what it was all about the owner explained her place had been flooded by people trying to flush all kids of odd things (scarves, bags, an umbrella etc) and she had enough of it. I guess what they all want is a no arseholes policy, but that's difficult to enforce.

Mixedupste
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really don't see the problem with this. Kids shouldn't be drinking coffee for one, and then adults should be able to have their own space. I have a 4 month old baby who is good as gold, but I wouldn't be kicking off because children aren't allowed! There maybe people in there who are having a break from their kids and this is what they need. Yes some kids are good as gold, some are noisey and destructive. Let them blow off steam in a park or play gym, not a coffee shop. This guy needs to stick to his guns and not let people intimidate him. You could probably bet that the people who are boycotting would have never stepped foot in there anyway. Just complaining as they have nothing else to with their lives.

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is why McDonald's has play places; and they have coffee if these formerly SINGLE AND CHILDLESS people whom are NOW married and full of children don't need that few minutes break from everything. They seem to forget where they come from.

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Little Menace
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nowadays it seems children are some people's gods. There is nothing and nowhere they can't do or go. Pubs used to be for adults to get drunk in and have chats with each other. Now they are no smoking zones with free crayons at the entrance and we have to suffer them playing catching among the chairs. I swear that I am amazed children are not yet allowed in strip clubs. Why not? The stripper could wear clown costumes and the kids could all play in a designated area. I mean really. Some people don't fancy kids but love animals and we need to be catered for. I truly believe this place is lovely to be in.

Lazy Panda 2
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I got told off for swearing in the bar, "because children are present." When I pointed out that children shouldn't be in the bar, they are legally restricted to the lounge, the parent got really angry. There's places for children and places for adults only. I would imagine a lot of parents enjoy the odd time in a child free zone!

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Ture Gustafson
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

we need MORE child free zones. your f*****g brats shouldn't be everyone else's problem to deal with. I think all places should be child free by default.

John Louis
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ageism is not a form of prejudice. Children are by definition at a different developmental stage (although there are obviously individual differences). There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to be around people at this stage of development.

Lisa Parrey
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ageism refers to the other end of the population and in reference to not employing someone due to their age.

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Danielle Bercier
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spoiled bratty kids with their indulgent parents are main reason that I avoid certain restaurants. I think this guy has a great idea - and good for him for sticking to his guns.

Christina Waide
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mom of three I am 100% supportive and wish I could visit WITHOUT my children. I saw a bumper sticker "I child proofed my house and they still got in!" hahahaha. On the flip- it annoys me when adults seemed bothered by well-behaved kids in obvious kid places like Disney or the zoo. Like they're surprised kids are there and move in front of small children to see.

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If more mothers and families were like you, the world would be so much better. Oh wait, you remind me of my mother. That's why your awesome. I expect to see kids at theme parks and actually prefer that. That's the point of those places, to have fun, and to celebrate things we can all do together!

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Miata Myk
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

100% GOOD!! It's his business, he sets the rules, and this one is perfectly reasonable. More power to him!

BREAK YOUr perceptions
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

controversy around this is absolutely ridiculous. its a proven and well known fact that children as a whole can be unruly energetic and reckless. YES there are kids who are well behaved, but how many kids really want to go to a coffee shop? no one is throwing a fit over kids not being allowed in casinos or bars. and before anyone checks me on it, yes there is a legal element to it at those places. but the point is there are places in this world where kids are not allowed and for good reason. this isn't "ageism" this is creating a child free space for adults who just want to have a cup of coffee without worrying about the disruption of kids *who for the most part are usually unruly due to their parents* more power to this man for taking control of his business. if you don't like it, don't go there.

Ivana
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great idea! There are plenty of places for families but the only place for adults only are strip clubs and bars and I have no urge to go to a strip club and I live in a college town so the bars are pretty much the same as drinking in a daycare. It would be nice to go to a place and know that there will be no chance of screaming children.

Sanchit Jain
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Super decision. A question to people who are hating this guy - will you contribute to the loss of the ornaments this dude lost due to knocked off by Kids, if you can't then shut the fck-up.

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Of course they will not, "it's just kids being kids". When I was a kid and broke stuff, my parents replaced it and when I was little older, I had to pay for it out of my allowance. Now, I only break my own stuff.

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Ture Gustafson
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not every environment should be kid friendly. kids tend to be f*****g annoying. there should be more of this.

Kati
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this. Kids are fine - but not all of them and not in every place. In my country, there are a few cat cafes, and as I know, for cats good there are no children under 12 yo allowed.

Joel Davis
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Private business, he should have the right to refuse who he wants. If people don't like it, don't go.

Orange Mannequin
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Omg! If only more places could do this!! I love kids, helped raise 3 sweet, well-mannered, courteous children. Other parents, especially in Scottsdale, Arizona, let their kids run amuck around restaurants & think it's cute. It's not.

Joyce Wendeln
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My door mat says my favorite quote..."Pets welcome, Children MUST be on Leash !"

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Cassiel Magem
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think is really good! Hell, if you want to bring your children everywhere just go to another coffee shop. Problem solved.

Zori the degu
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the best cafe in the world! Sorry, haters, but some kids are truly irritating and so are their parents because they don't do anything about their kids' behavior. I don't want any of those people hanging around while I drink my coffee, so I LOVE the idea of that man.

Angelicat
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids Are LOUD This happens Be grateful someone has created an escape space

Errorsaurus
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of people seem to be saying "oh well why can't you go to bars?". The thing is, the guy only doesn't allow kids UNDER TWELVE. In most places, you need to be a legal adult to go to a bar. That means that teenagers and parents of teenagers don't have a quiet place to go. Let's not forget people who can't drink for other reasons or who can't handle the bar scene, either. Hell, it makes sense to have a kid-free place for people who can't handle all the noise of bars. If a person has a good reason why they can't go to a bar because of all the extra things happening around them, why is it fair to make them go to a place where little kids are yelling all the time? This doesn't mean that I don't think kids should be allowed to have their own places. I do. I just think that it's nice to have a breather, even from the best kids.

Eva Duskova
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well done. Obviously that interior wasn't cheap and I can clearly imagine those stupid parents who thinks someone else should look after their kids

Kathleen McCormick
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are plenty of family friendly places. We need more child-free places for those of us who want to enjoy some peace and quiet. Thank you!

Konstantin Pogorelov
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love how people think private business policy is open to public debate. You don't like it don't go there. I would. Even more now that the owner refuses to be told what to do by self-righteous grievance seekers.

Sky
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There shouldn't be people trying to boycott this buisness, it's his buisness, if he doesn't want expensive valuables broken then that is completely understandable. Kids don't even need to be in a coffee shop anyway. A while ago I lived in an apartment with vey thin walls and the next door neighbors kids screamed constantly, I know some kids aren't like that, but it seems like the people who don't take good care of their kids have the least trouble making kids, while there are good people that have such a hard time having children. I'm totally for the child free living complex idea too.

Fay Brewer
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm really anti-libertarian for the most part, but looking at his digs I think he is being fair. Kids are little whirlwinds of destruction. Dogs mostly wouldn't impact all the little delicates at the level where they were, but kids would. He's setting up his place with a certain decor. It's his place. Don't like it the restrictions he feels he has to have to maintain his place? Don't go there. We don't complain about "No shirts, no shoes, no service" places, after all.

Adam Corder
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bad parents are the real problem. But he couldn't put that on a sign.

Krista Leary
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd go there in a heartbeat. Nothing wrong with a little kid-free haven from time to time.

Yugan Talovich
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Support! Sometimes I like to sit quietly without screaming children.

catherine waite
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to say that I like the idea of having somewhere where I can relax away from children. Sometimes it's hard to ignore the screams of children, and yes it's not the parents fault and the child is that it's a child. But sometimes it hard not to be the people at the other table pulling a face. So I think it's a nice idea. Just think it's a shame people are getting angry over it.

LaDonna Hulcy
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would LOVE this place and I think more entrepreneurs should open places like this. the world is covered in places that kids can go, it's a nice change to have a kid free space. they WILL get over it.

TC
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One post is simple on the matter. "Just give me a place to escape.."

Sherry L. Martin
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its a PRIVATE business. I personally like the idea of CHILD FREE space. I have been to several of the classier restaurants and its just totally ruined by parents that are so busy with their own issues that they allow their children to run around other tables, children taking items off other tables, using the restaurant as a play ground and the screaming. crying and just plain disruptive behaviour. As someone that has very politely asked parents to control their children and been abused for it, I for one am very glad that this business owner has taken this step. I don't choose to go to business that are normally inundated with large amounts of children such as McDonalds, Chuckie Cheese, etc, due to the fact that is seems completely acceptable that your children are free to run wild and do what they want in those types of businesses. I prefer to eat or have coffee in a more serene atmosphere. I too should be able to make to make that choice without it being labelled as discrimination.

Sheri Zison
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's falls under that age-old adage right to refuse service it's his business he can run it how he wants

Eileen Smyth
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a parent and in fact my own daughter was very well behaved in public places - except for two or three years there between the ages of 3 and 8. Well, guess what? We didn't take her out to restaurants between the ages of 3 and 8. It really is that simple, folks. Kids eating out isn't a necessity and it isn't a right. If your kid can't sit as peacefully as an adult then get a babysitter and go out without them. Trust me when I say that nobody finds your kids are as cute and charming as you do. And nobody wants to expend energy ignoring them in public, especially in a place where they're paying to eat.

Zori the degu
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good point. That's why I like dogs. I know it's a bit out of subject, but as my mum says about my pup: "Why grown-up dogs dislike him? Well, perhaps it's because dogs are not as big bunch of hypocrites as humans and they simply don't even pretend that they like children."

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dmittie
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like most of the posters here, I'm in agreement with this owner's 'no kids' rule. Kids have their own places and spaces, there are very few spots for adults to hang out, relax and enjoy some quiet conversation in peace. I like kids but they don't have to be included in every darn thing under the sun, people have gone overboard with catering to their kids. Want to let your kid blow off some steam, take them to an amusement park, arcade or Chucky 'The Place from Hell' Cheese.

Douglas Campbell
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his business and his decision. If you are unhappy with his decision, then simply choose not to patronize him. Parents need to comprehend that the rest of the world does not need to stop what they're doing to accommodate their children.

Cherie O
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have two kids, 16 and 18. When they were young, the few times they became loud, we left the store/restaurant immediately. They quickly learned not to do that in public EVER. Now, when I shop with them and they hear others being loud (not tiny infants, but the older ones who are throwing tantrums), they sometimes ask, "so we really didn't act like that in public??" I said, "not after a few times..." Kids learn.

Zori the degu
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm just like your kids. My sister and I also asked my parents if we were as bad as some other kids we see. They replied that we weren't. So, every time I complain about noisy kids and someone sardonically asks me if I think I was any different, I tell them that as far as I remember I used to draw quietly at the corner, when I was very young I simply didn't scream and when I was a baby, my parents were decent enough not to bring me in restaurants.

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Matt Lansell
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd be MORE likely to go to this place simply because of the lack of screaming obnoxious kids. Sure not all kids are screaming obnoxious brats... and I'm sure YOURS are lovely... but many ARE obnoxious. Take them to a family restaurant, and let the grown ups have a place to themselves.

Sharon Halfhill
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wish people wouldn't take it so personal. There are 56 billion other places you can take your kids. Believe me, they aren't going to cry about it or have the attention span to care for that long.

Ignis Cattus
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

seem good place to let my mind play and fooling around in my imagination, while enjoy a cup of coffee~

Mary Venza Mosher
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would go just to get away from my kids! Nothing wrong with peace and quiet. Plus the sound of others peoples kids really sucks so I'm all about it😉

Nadine Lujan
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this idea! Goodness, not every place has to allow children. I don't have kids, but I have pets, and as much as I love them there are times I want a break. I am sure it is the same with parents - just a place to be with other adults. It's a coffee shop - it's not that big of a deal to all the people so upset.

Linda James
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was stationed in Germany in the early 90's, it was commonplace for children to be forbidden from restaraunts while dogs were allowed. The reason was that the dogs were better behaved. No one seemed to think twice about it.

Lulu Kubo
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a child myself I am okay with having adult designated areas.

Tory Klementsen
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a teacher and love kids, obviously. I spend all day with them. However, I don't have any of my own. Sometimes I resent that the only place I can go to not be with kids is a bar...and I don't drink! I have had so many quiet outings ruined by parents who do not parent. This would be my favorite place to hang out if I lived near here. It isn't that there aren't a thousand other coffee shops that kids can go hang out in. And let's face it, most kids are fine, but there are some that aren't and they are the ones who ruin it for others. Instead of blaming the proprietor of a place who gets tired of losing things he owns and other customers to the selfish whims of parents who think their kids do no wrong, be angry at those parents!

Valerie Green
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

its a solution to the issue caused by parents who let their kids run amuck in a restaurant. when I pay for a nice meal out its nice not to be knocked into by kids deciding a little game of tag is good after their meal.

Elizabeth Duval
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love that people in the article are calling for a boycott of the coffee shop. Great!! He doesn't want you there anyway!! Seriously how will this hurt him?

Pi...
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I kinda like this idea.... some peace, some quiet, my laptop, my book, myself, and my coffee.

Kerri Russ
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am 100% behind him. It's his establishment and if he chooses to decorate with valuables that are at risk of being broken by children (just curious children, not even those who are ill-behaved), he has that right. It's a private business. He may lose the business of those who disagree with the policy, but he may very well make that up with more business from those who desire a child-free atmosphere. My own parents would have LOVED to go somewhere that children weren't allowed that didn't serve alcohol but allowed adult conversation and enjoyment without the disruption of children. I'm a parent myself and from the age of 2 to 7 or so, we didn't go out anywhere because my son was so curious, he wanted to touch everything and run around. Because that wasn't our idea of fun in a nice restaurant, we frequented those places that had play areas or we didn't go out at all. That was our choice and we're comfortable with it.

Pam Mack
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great idea, not discrimination at all. I would much rather eat my meal with dogs than kids any day!

Becky Cason-Roy
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a childless middle-aged adult, I often long for someplace to relax free of children. It's not the children that bother me, per se, it's the parents who seem to think it's ok to let their children running around screaming and playing. They don't seem to realize that this is when they should be teaching children manners and respect. I can't count the number of times I e been in a restaurant and been subjected to this. One child actually walked up to my table and grabbed a handful of fries off my plate. Sigh.

Kate OSee
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love kids. Also love spending time away from them. I'm sure there's 9 other coffee shops on this street alone. Go anywhere else.

Taryn Wallace
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for him if a woman who owns her own restaurant can limit how many drinks an adult with a child can have because SHE thinks having 2 drinks is irresponsible then why can't this guy have a restaurant (or cafe) that strictly caters to adults?? And Bully's doesn't count because I've seen kids in there accompanied by their parents....and they are screaming and actin like damn fools...100% thumbs up

Hello Sīyī
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, people also want spaces where they can drink, eat, talk s**t and not be worried if a young child is listening. It's just one place that is more or less appropriate for a certain age or not. Why are people making a big deal out of it? It looks like the parents are the spoiled ones.

Sara Khan
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love this! Our coffee shops / cafées in my smallish town are overrun with kids, the parents are letting them run around unchecked, as if it's a daycare with cookies. I would definitely have a rule like this if I was an owner, it's bad business having kids taking over and 'scaring' away paying customers.

Lesley Spain
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I applaud his stand, a lot of people just want to sit in a quiet relaxed environment to enjoy their repast. With today's lack of discipline it is murder to go to a shopping centre. I wish I knew of a place I could enjoy a cup of coffee without screaming misbehaving kids who parents think it is perfectly alright to allow their kids to express themselves in a public place. Prefer the dogs. I had 6 children and they behaved when we were out no threats or punishment it was just the way things were.

Shannon McKee
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A kid younger than 12 has no business in a coffee shop. Coffee is the last thing they need.

Zori the degu
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally agree with you, Shannon. Unfortunately, some parents take their kids to the most inappropriate kinds of places. For example, last year I became obsessed with one particular group of mammals - the bats. The city centre's museums in Sofia organize a Museum night (with special events and free entrance) every year. So, I met my family in front of the Natural history museum for a lecture about the only flying mammals on Earth. Guess what? First, the hall was full of those damned screaming kids so I barely heard a word. But the worst was yet to come. The lecturer invited anyone interested to come in the backyard and join his attempts to track some members of the 3-4 local species of bat. Of course, the uncontrollable children had to touch every single part of the bat-tracking technique and listen to the beeps it made. No one told them off and within two minutes I became so angry that I just turned and walked away. You can't even educate yourself these days because of some idiots.

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Marco Alvarado Mirón
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate when babies start crying or toddlers start misbehaving, I think this is a great idea.

Shinomi Chan
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand the logic with that, so I at least have no problem with it. I do not hate kids or anything, but I do like some peace and quiet.

Michelle Mason
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his establishment his rules. Many meals, shopping trips, etc have been ruined by unruly children. When my kids were small they misbehaved we left. Period. We didn't ruin everyone's experience. And it never failed if my husband and I were out by ourselves we got seated by squalling kids. We started telling the hostess to sit us away from families or sat in the bar.... if I'm paying a babysitter to be away from my kids I don't want to be around yours.

Deirdre Battaglia
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree! Small children are not appropriate in all places! Parents if this gerneration don't seem to get it!

Younes Keraressi
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Finally a good idea, this guy experienced too much kid's noises and its really annoying so he get overdosed and then guess what? they got banned forever hahah i like it , just lets some places to only adult where they can speak on serious stuff. #Respect

Donna Chula
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think people get worked up over nothing ❗️You don't allow children in Bars & Nightclubs so what the hell why all the fuss ? I think it's a great idea. Now can we find Gricery stores that limit the hours children can be there ? Heaven it would be Heaven ❗️😂😁😂

Ralph Burton
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't like it?.....Don't go there.....it's his place, his rules.....I would do the same !!

Lori Thompson
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There should be 'adult only' places, and a coffee shop is a good one. I go to our local coffee shop to relax. Some children would ruin that, while many others would not. Making a blanket rule is a lot easier than kicking a particularly unruly child/children out. Besides, in all my years of coffee shop sitting, I've rarely even seen a child there at all. How boring it would be for them, in the first place.

Bierde Ozcean
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great idea, totally justified and within his rights to do so. I love kids and love their noise and they must be able to chain their energy in good outlets that can put it to great use, but not every establishment is appropriate for it. Not to mention that having a child free space for people who don't like it, or want to escape it from time to time is perfectly okay and admirable. I'd be a faithful costumer of this place and such initiatives should be encouraged, not shut down.

Sean Maury
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's hist store and he gets to make reasonable rules. I think he makes an excellent case for his decision. Those who use the word "boycott" aren't customers he would want, anyway.

Carolyn Clark
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in the States so have no real say in your local matters. But...until my daughter was a teenager, we went to family friendly places where she can be a child and it didn't matter. Once I knew she could sit still for an hour or so at a time (she was always very active), we then began going to places that were more adult-ish. Once she was in her late teens, we went to adult places. It's nice not to have to listen to children sometimes. And I'm a mother. I enjoyed going to places that were adults only once in a while. Chill without the kids.

TheMsLollidella
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Boycotting? That's a bit much and a waste of time :/ poor guy can't make his own rules for his establishment. If people don't like it, they can go to the other 3 coffee shops around the corner, no ones making them go. I'm not even a huge coffee fan (I like tea more) but coffee shops I've been to are relatively quiet and university students doing hw.

Mari Kekäläinen
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people who are taking generalized comments personally as if they are specifically directed at their children is part of a big problem with society. Why be offended when it has nothing to do with you? "If it don't apply, let it fly". :D I think it's awesome. Sometimes adults would like to sit and have coffee in a relaxed environment where they can have conversation or read without having to listen to children. And anyone who finds this offensive needs to just get over it. Even me as a parent, when my daughter was little, I loved having a little bit of me time. Unless this is the only place to purchase coffee in their town, I really don't get the problem.

Dara Lynn
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a privately owned business. Don't like his policy? Don't patronize his establishment. It's that simple. I had dinner tonight at a restaurant crawling with loud, rambunctious, children due to hosting a child's birthday party. I left with a migraine headache from the noise and no desire to ever eat in that a restaurant again, or any restaurant, where children are welcome. We couldn't even carry on a reasonable conversation because we couldn't hear each other across the table without raising our voices almost to the point of shouting. I would've left and gone elsewhere if it was up to me but it wasn't my choice, and we weren't alone. Leaving was not an option if I wanted to visit with my SIL who is in town for her job for the week. FYI, I DO have kids but they're grown ups now and I'm in my mid- 50's. These days, I appreciate having a quiet dinner accompanied by pleasant adult conversation. Being able to enjoy my morning coffee in the same atmosphere would also be quite pleasant.

Lynda Bolt
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agree entirely not everyone likes kids so it would be nice to have somewhere to go for a quiet cup of coffee and conversation that's not constantly disrupted by screaming kids

Jill Brown
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I personally wish they would have had places like this when my children were young. i used to get a coffee and go for a drive by myself just to get my thoughts together and my energy back. I love my children BUT everybody needs some down time away. I would have loved a place like this.

A.S. Galston
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I lived anywhere nearby I would be there every day. Great choice!

Debbie Gaab
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's great I wish there were more places with this rule. It would be great to go out to dinner and enjoy yourself without a bunch of screaming kids running wild while the parents stare at their cell phone screen and never look up to see what their kids are doing

Sharon Ingram
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually agree with him. It's a coffee shop. It's not intended for children. And no matter how well-behaved (cough) your angel drop is, expecting AD to sitt quietly while you stand in line, order your coffee, wait and then sit to enjoy your coffee, most likely with your cell phone plastered to your free hand, is a fantasy. There's nothing in this place to interest a child that is SUPPOSED to interest a child. There is a time and place for everything under the sun. And sometimes it isn't the time nor place you want. It's just common sense.

Rama Llama
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I need this kind of place. In here it's normal to even bring your goddamn babies to a BAR if it's not a night yet.

Katherine Antoniuk-Weiss
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love it! I'm a parent and my daughter was well behaved in public but she was not the norm. Parents today better start to wake up a little discipline goes a long way and from I see in our society today is parents thinking they have the right to have their children very badly behaving and disrupt everyone around them. Wish more establishments would adopt this policy.

Bessie Potter
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is his establishment. And the way some parents ignore their kids and allow them to be unruly and destructive. I don't blame him a bit and will be more than glad to give him my business. And consider. As an apartment manager we had a tenant whose kids damaged things. The first 3 times we fixed. The fourth time? We told her from now on she would be charged for the repairs. The damages stopped that very day. It is all in how they are raised. And too many parents allow the TV or the children's peers to 'raise' them. If you truly love and respect your children you would teach them there is a time and place for rowdiness. But then. I have met some parents who were pretty much left to their own devices and have no clue themselves. Six years ago a family restaurant banned children under 6 because parents were allowing their kids to throw food and trip up the waiters.

Katarina Pavićević
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mother of a well-behaved child, I can guarantee it's no big deal teaching a child to sit colmly in a caffe or a restaurant. Unfortunatelly, most parrents fail at that simple task so I can relate to this club owner and everyone else who supports the idea.

Karen Rice-Leroux
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His business, his capital, his belongings, his tireless hours running the place, taxes paid by him....his choice. This isn't discrimination - it is a business decision based on losses incurred by other people's little twinkle-stars. Don't like it? Too bad, go somewhere else. I had my kids and while they were well behaved, I would not take them to an adult oriented restaurant. It isn't the place for them and respect for what the owner is trying to create is more important than accommodating self-involved parents.

Jeanne Deaux
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BEST IDEA EVER. Finally a place where you can enjoy calm, enjoy a good book or a good coffee (or the 3 at the same time) without being annoyed by one of these noise factories called children. Finally a place where you can have a discussion without needing to scream so the other people hear you. Damn, there should be at least one of these place in every city of the world.

Crystal Franklin
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's a good idea. Sometimes it is so hard to go out with out hearing a child screaming. And that kills a experience. Even we'll behave get can have melt downs. It would be

Janelle Collard
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his place - as long as it's not illegal, he should be able to say "No kids under 12."

Kirsten
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have two children under the age of 12 (5 & 10 both boys) and, while my husband and I do get frequently complimented on the our kids behaviour in public, I totally agree with this. Please understand that, even if your kids are 'perfect', not all children are. I have told my son that certain friends of his can no longer come to our house because they have broken several items in my house. There is no way for this business owner to screen the behaviour of every child that walks through those doors and he shouldn't have to. I am a parent and I love my children more than anything else in the world but kids are freaking brats sometimes. Honestly, I wish I lived near this establishment, I'd get my coffee there everyday and if I had my kids with me, I'd go to a different coffee like a normal person instead of getting pissed off like a spoiled brat.

Usernameofgag
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this idea. I saw a lot of ignorant parent. and what do you expect it is coffee shop. Someone who need coffee is a grumpiest person alive, they don't w**g to be bothered. And kids under 12 doesn't need coffee,because they already happy with a glass of juice. So this idea is fair enough.

Mslyth Sunleaf
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed 100%. I love my nieces and I should say I don't hate kids, but it's nice to have a place with peace and quiet. Ageism is even a word?

Paul Osborne
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

On numerous occasions I've had dining experiences interrupted by unruly kids while their parents carry on obliviously talking between themselves. Not all kids are bad but how do you differentiate? Even the best behaved kid can have a tantrum.

Andrew Keane
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like it. I understand the criticism but with so many coffee shops they don't all have to be for everyone. There are many you go to cafes to have a coffee, read quiet, have a chat. I go to draw. Kids being allow to run around like crazy can ruin that atmosphere. Having said that you could just as easily get teenagers in there who want to be the loudest in the room, to make themselves sound great among their friends. I as a kid would have loved to have been in that cafe, cause I love old nautical stuff. These kind of places should be allowed to exist though. It's not the only cafe in existence.

Cate Heckel
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I respect his intentions. If I lived there, I would happily go and enjoy a kid free zone. Others who disagree, can certainly head off to McDonalds.

Suzanne Elam
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It would be frowned upon if was in a children's playground using the swings, so why can I not have a cup of tea out in peace? Also children running around where there is hot food and drinks is dangerous.

Peg Labrecque
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I work in a retail store.many parents are not paying attention to their kids.my dept is next to toys that many parents use as babysitting area while they shop.meanwhile,pkgs. are being opened and light sabers being used.when I go to food court to get away,more noise.nothing wrong with a place to go for quiet and peace.when my kids were young,it was called a car,after my husband would come home.i knew when it was time for me to leave with my kids if we had to go somewhere.many do not .good for him.

Karolína T.
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have no problem with it. When I was kid people did not use to take their children to some places (restaurants, cofe, cinema) before they took proper manners (not necessary depending on real age!). If to do so today, any similar bans would be necessary... I also appreciate childfree zones. And "ageism" is presented overall, kids do not have driver licence or do not vote... How discriminating!

Wiz Allred
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Serve Irish Whisky in the coffee. Problem solved! You're welcome ;)

Eileen Miller
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it is fact a lot of people let their children run wild, they have no manners and their parents are either to busy on their phones or ignoring the fact their children are being rude . So yes I think it is a great idea I have had a few meals out where other peoples children have ruin the meal , if you want to take your children out then control them simply and do not expect the rest of us to endure their bad behaviour, I am a parent of two children who are now grown and we have always taken them to restaurants without the fear of them running riot .

John Calvert
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for that coffee shop owner. It's his establishment & it's his right to make the rules.

FreeBird
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Love it !!! Also loved the adults only jacuzzi at my local Coronado resort, which happened to be filled with kids til I booted em!

Sebastian Sarabia
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No one have the right to force you to allow kids into your business... entitled parents equals entitled kids, the very same people who spits nonsense about how this is bad is the example of why the business owner is right... discrimination is bad when is based in the wrong ideas, but by definition discrimination is the separation of things, but stupid people just don't care about language they just barks and repeat whatever they hear "ageism is another form of discrimination"... omfg my brain almost implodes when i read that...

Elizabott
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like HEAVEN! I want kids to be able to kids - have energy, make noise, express themselves. It's their right. But I also want a place when I can guarantee a quiet, relaxing atmosphere. It's a risky business decision, and it's his risk to take. I would practically live here, were I a local.

Zvartun
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Definitely there should be more child free spaces, not everyone enjoys all the noise and mess especially paying for it

Laura Struthers
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have two kids, 6&4 and when i go anywhere without them i asked to be sat as far away from lids as possible because i want to actually enjoy my meal. If my kids are misbehaving and spoiling other people's meals then i take them out. It's as simple as that. Unfortunately so many adults don't parent properly anymore and let their kids run riot.

Joey Dunn
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are plenty of places where children are not allowed how is this different

Amalia Koch
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

blame their parents. who let them scream like crazy. some of them change dippers in the middle of the resturant. some of them let their kids run around like crazy. tjey think that they are the center of the universe

Greta Jackson
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do believe that there should be place other than night clubs that adults can enjoy without children. There are an abundance of places to go to for coffee that welcome children. And if everyone would be honest, what parent has not wanted or needed a time out from their precious Lil ones. Hence the word babysitters. IJS

Lira Mai
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not all people can tolerate kids. and there are some parents who just let their kids scream not even trying to comfort them. he owns it, he have the right to do it.

Mark Fuller
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally support the guy. Before I die, I'm adamant I'm taking a bunch of mates into Early Learning Centre to sit on the floor, get pissed, talk and swear loudly and generally behalf with utter disregard to other customers. See how parents and kids react when I encroach upon THEIR protected space!!

kalle1724
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His place, his rules. If you don't like...work your azz off and use your life savings to open your own place and allow who ever you want to come in.

Tiberiu Mocanu
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Personally i like the idea. I like being able to work in a coffee shop and not being disturbed by kids. But this should not be something imposed by the owner this should be common sense for the parents. Some places are not for children, they should be out in the park playing not sitting on a table in a coffee shop. But again this is my way of seeing this topic. sorry for my bad English

Azure Adams
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I want many more businesses to be child free and banned. If there isn't a sign explicitly saying banned then you some whiner (and wiener) parent is going to come in with their kid stating the kid is well behaved and then he's going to have to let every kid in and now it defeats the purpose of having an adults only business that is not a bar or strip club. Maybe I want a quiet cup of espresso without kids present and most definitely not their wiener parents

d r e a m w o r l d
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ageism is the very scum of the earth, pure and simple. Ageism is a sick form of discrimination that I as a decent human being will NEVER condone and/or allow. Ageism is something I experience every day in the digital world. I know a thing or two about it. But the surest thing I know of it? It's pure ludicrous. Some children are.well-mannered and behaved, as adults can be purely obnoxious. It would be better to set ground rules that you must be quiet. Everybody wins. Ageism is kicked down, kids get to experience the joys, and adults can drink coffee in peace as intended. I don't take ageism lightly, so I stand by boycotting this senseless and imprudent place.

Isk Ra
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am impressed by this idea. Dogs are calm and laying on the floor and waiting. Children are too energetic,but that's the because parents are lazy to teach their kids culture

Tim Jones
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good on him. It's about time that adults had somewhere to get away from children and relax.

Michelangelo
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people get mad at this but if a caffe bans men it's heroic

Lori Dennis
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's a great idea, I might have even banned kids up to 18! But then again, they can act like babies themselves LOL But seriously, it's his business and he has a right to run it the way he wants to. Don't like it..find another place!

Kathryn O'Connor
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I remember reading about a deli that had this policy in Chicago. the owner said that those who objected were the blond cheerleading beauty queen types who were very self entitled. hmmmmm.....

Vanessica Bloxgirl
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe this is an amazing idea, almost every cafe i go to there is always screaming, crying and so on, I dont want to be rude to the parents of children like that. What he did is a true accomplishment not a disgrace

Shelby Martin
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We're living in a world where specific clubs do still exist. Men only, women only, pick a designation. Teens. Religious. So why are kids something special? I didn't choose to raise your children so I'm fine not having them in my space. Don't panic, this is why I have a cat and house plants. Live and let live but that includes comfortable spaces for everyone. How is it fair that I should feel pressured by someone else's children?

Janpeta Czaaplejewska
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We were trained by our parents how to behave outside the house and I trained mine the same way. That way there was not any trouble and could be safely taken out and be relied on not to cause upset to strangers. A lot of kids these days don't even know how to eat with a knife and fork and certainly never ask to leave the table..

the Oracle
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sign in a shop: "Any unmonitored child will be given a free puppy and a cup of espresso."

Franc “BeingFranc” Floyd
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have kids. I like kids, however, I am unaccustomed to the noises of which kiddos make. I do own three German Shepherds. I am certain if someone came to my house, they would find that my dogs generate noises that the common person is unaccustomed.

frank0ys
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

...That is his cafe, that is his policy. If you don't want the policy, then don't go to his cafe. Simple as that. Why do some people have to react so much over an establishment that doesn't want to cater to children?

Markus McCloud
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about a compromise: Under-12s can go in and place an order (with their parent's permission, of course), but they can only be take-out customers, not dine-in. I'll be honest, I'm kind of on the fence on the whole issue. I can see where he's coming from, but I can also see the parent's side of things.

Dan H
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my kids were little, I hated to take them to restaurant because of their potential bad behavior -- I get where he is coming form Then again, now they my kids are in their 20's my feelings I still hate to take them to restaurant because of their potential bad behavior

Nina Wum
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a childfree person who sincerely hates kids, I say: godspeed. Feel kinda sorry that I'm located on the other side of Europe and can't back this owner up as a client.

Robin Ong
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's his restaurant and of course he has the right to ban kids to protect a niche. However we as the customers have our right to put this restaurant in our blacklist if we want to. No hard feelings.

Ben Peacock
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone who doesn't like kids around has lost their spark. Adults are boring. Kids unleash your inner child. Places without children are called retirement villages. Go drink coffee there.

Sherri Fournier
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so on the fence about this. I think it would be nice to sit and have a nice cup of coffee without having a kid screaming next to me...but, on the other hand, it's agism. It's banning someone according to age so what's the difference in banning people over the age of 70 because they hold up the line to long?

Sebastian Sarabia
Community Member
7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Simple, kids are not adults and kids doesn't know better, you can't blame kids for being kids but adults should and can be responsible for their actions... is very simple to understand and every adult should have this clear, is alarming that people like you tries to spread such level of ignorance and lack of understanding of context.

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.gas.
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have kids, but I would still boycott his shop. Any ban (travel ban, kid ban) has the potential to turn into larger discriminiation. Segregation in this country started when some people just want a "nice relaxing atmosphere" away from certain others.

Ahmet Garcia
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like i would like to go to a negro free café or a caucasian free or jew free or muslim free or ugly people free or gay free, is any of that ok? Maybe i m different and dont like faggots, or n****s or rednecks or rugheads or pakis, (great idea, pakis free fish n chips) so if it is ok a children discriminotory place based upon people 's taste no problem at all in any of these...better gays should where an identification like a Rainbow in there arms, Jews a blue one with a David star(Ops , i think someone from Austria just did that...can t just remember who...)

James Warner
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You forgot bars and clubs that are either 18+/19+/21+ in most places, senior care facilities for the over 55+/65+ crowd, too.

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Ethan Firl
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7 years ago

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Yay! No kids means I can leave mine at home to watch one another. "Sorry kids, the place your mum and I want to got to doesn't allow children. Now be good and don't burn the place down while we're gone. Ta!". fucktard-5...cc-png.jpg fucktard-59b1695f87ccc-png.jpg

Stille20
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7 years ago

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Its a vote with you money situation. If you don't like it, don't go there. He's lost your money. Do you really want to go someplace where the owner looks down on your children?

Wanda Queen
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7 years ago

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Well to each his own but.....as a business owner I think it's pretty much always bad policy to alienate that much of your potential clientele.

Cassiel Magem
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7 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whatever floats your boat. But it's actually much more effective if you classify and choose an specific audience. If your clients will be parents from 25 to 35 then make sure to add something for them and their children. Call it "parents cafe". Profit. I'm a Brand Strategist, but think worry, this one is for free.

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