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Sister Kicks Out Brother And His Family After They Refuse To Follow Her House Rules
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Sister Kicks Out Brother And His Family After They Refuse To Follow Her House Rules

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Sometimes, being there for your family members in times of need can be tricky.You might want to extend a helping hand, but conversely, they may start getting on your nerves. Especially when they don’t respect the boundaries you tried to set. 

For instance, a stay-at-home mom shared her experience online about offering temporary housing to her brother and his family as he started a new job. However, she ended up asking them to leave after her sister-in-law disregarded their agreed-upon rules, expecting her to handle cooking and cleaning. Keep scrolling to read how the author was pushed to her limits by her brother’s family.

Helping your loved ones during difficult times can be demanding

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A woman had to ask her brother and his family to leave after they expected her to cook and clean for them

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The author further elaborated on her brother and sister-in-law’s situation, providing more context to their struggles

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Being honest with your family is always the best approach

Many of us might feel angry or irritated when a family member ignores our needs and prioritizes their own. Say you are preparing yourself for a major work deadline, and then your younger brother decides that he should drop off his kids at your place since he wants to take his wife out for dinner. He just doesn’t seem to care about your busy schedule, even if you told him about it beforehand.

“You may feel irritable around your family if you feel like they’re unsupportive of you. You may also feel that way if they use you and take advantage of your kindness,” noted WikiHow in an interview with clinical psychologist and published author Asa Don Brown.

When it comes to family, honesty is usually the best policy. You might have noticed you are not always kind with your words when you point out your sibling’s mistake. For instance, you might yell at your sister for acting foolishly in their relationship

In the context of understanding the emotional dynamics within close relationships, Margaret Clark, a social psychologist at Yale University, explains, “The fact that you can be meanest to the ones you love is not a sign that you feel the most negative towards loved ones, but that you feel the most comfortable expressing your negative emotions to them.”

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In this particular incident, the stay-at-home mom was vocal about her needs and accordingly set ground rules for her brother’s family, which included his wife, daughter, and 7-month-old kid. She clearly mentioned that just because she or her husband were at home, it didn’t imply they were available to provide childcare. The author expected her brother and sister-in-law to take care of their own responsibilities. 

However, her sister-in-law not only ignored their agreement but also neglected her duties. After being patient for a while, the author couldn’t take it any more and asked them to leave. She also offered to chip in for a hotel. Here, the stay-at-home mom prioritized her sanity when she was pushed to her limits.

Many women experience postpartum depression after giving birth

The author had mentioned how, once she found her sister-in-law locked in a closet, she needed a break. Many people online felt this could be a sign of postpartum depression (PPD). 

In the first week after childbirth, women usually go through what is commonly known as “baby blues.” These are caused by rapid hormonal changes that occur after delivery. Some of the symptoms include mood swings, crying spells, and sometimes irritability. However, they don’t last for long.

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When these symptoms intensify over time, chances are that the woman is experiencing postpartum depression. Women experience this form of depression during their pregnancy or in the first year after giving birth. As per research, it affects up to 1 in 7 women.

Some of the signs of PPD include extreme feelings of sadness or melancholy, moodiness, fatigue, and an inability to sleep or concentrate well. Additionally, it can also impact the way you think about yourself or your baby. You might find it challenging to care for and bond with your infant.

“No mother is happy all the time. It’s normal to be frustrated and even need to put the baby down sometimes,” says Lauren Osborne, M.D., former assistant director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Women’s Reproductive Mental Health.

For new mothers to feel better, PPD, which can be caused by genetics or hormonal changes, needs to be properly treated. Any mother who is constantly feeling sad and hopeless should seek professional help.

As family members, we can offer emotional support and help our loved ones get some much-needed rest. What are your thoughts about this incident? How would you have handled such a situation? 

Many people believed the author’s brother and his family were to blame for not holding up their end of the agreement

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Others felt that the author could have been more empathetic and compassionate towards her sister-in-law during the challenging situation

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Joelle Jansen
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is OP technically wrong? No, they did clearly break the agreement. But I'm baffled that someone can see their sister-in-law and brother struggling and absolutely refuse to step up even a little. In fact, I'd dare say they'd be out of your hair *sooner* if you helped out. Hiding in a closet from your children because they overwhelm you is not normal mom behavior.

arthbach
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Joelle Jansen, I'm with you. It's clear this little family needs help. The family has experience three major life stressors in the past few months (birth of a child, moving, and starting a new job). They need help to get to a good place. Their daughter needs help settling into school. The family needs help finding a place to live. The mother needs help to prevent the overwhelm building up, and the parents sound as if they could do with a few hours to themselves as a couple. The way to help is not to tell them, "You broke the agreement, get out." but instead, "Things are not working out. Why? How can we, together, find a solution?"

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Sand Ers
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For all those ESHs and YTAs; what situation do they think the brother and SIL and kids would be in if OP hadnโ€™t offered rooms to sleep in? Because thatโ€™s all she offered, and thatโ€™s what they accepted. Since they couldnโ€™t cope with their own children under somebody elseโ€™s roof, now they get to do it on their own.

Nina
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. No one else has pointed this out. They're getting a free house, not two extra nannies. If they could deal with their kids when they lived together, there's no reason they can't do it in a free home. They are entitled af. If Taylor needs help, her husband needs to step up.

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Darthest Starfish
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. You open your home to someone with VERY CLEAR CONDITIONS, and those conditions are immediately broken. OP cannot even enjoy her own home due to the mess, stress, and overall bad behavior. If you want to put someone else above your own sanity, peace of mind, and comfort, be my guest, but I surmise most of you wouldn't. OP has been more than generous, Bro and fam have to go. Sorry.

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds to me like Taylor was just nodding her head at the conditions, but inwardly not accepting them, and arrived with the assumption that the Nanny was there & would take over the kids, and the cleaning would be done by someone else. And then assumed the OP would step in. NTA for OP, YTA for T&E for ignoring the conditions (and not mentioning, if E knew, that T had PND). I don't care what ESH/YTA peeps think of the OP, because it WAS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT made before they moved in. Opening your home on trust is a big thing, IMO. I bet many have had that moment (me included), and found that trust is broken.

Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree, and it's difficult to tell if Taylor is experiencing a mental health crisis or if she just has an avoidant personality prone to denial. Either way the OP set clear rules, they aren't being followed. Taylor may not need professional help or she might. Honestly, the only people who sound like AHs here are the brother and SIL for not facing up to how overwhelmed by parenting Taylor is and it sounds like the brother already understood Taylor couldn't be left fully alone with two kids. It was a poor solution to a bigger problem and the OP's brother needs to start seeking meaningful solutions because hiding in a closet is kind of a big red flag that Taylor is dangerously overwhelmed by her inner world. Either way, the OP didn't marry Taylor and whereas the baby needs to be protected, it's the brother's job to step the up and start finding solutions...and religiously use birth control for super obvious reasons.

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Trillian
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How can you not find a moment to browse rentals? Moving like that was poorly planned but jeez, the older kid should go to school once in a while and then you either wait till the baby naps or you just take the baby on your lap and start browsing. Most sites offer setting up an alert for new listings. WTH is she doing all day? I was so bored home with my babies I would go on hour long walks with them just to pass the time.

Sand Ers
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The girl needs to be in school. The rest of your comment was just dismissing other peopleโ€™s experiences and asserting yours as the norm.

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TribbleThinking
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have sympathised with the SIL until I found out that she swore at OP. You can't help feeling overwhelmed, but you sure as heck can control your darned language and it shows that SIL feels totally entitled to *demand* help. They are already getting free rent, so to hold up their end of the bargain, they should look at options like hiring their own day visit nanny to help SIL with child/baby wrangling. These are things they are going to have to address when they move out In 6 weeks anyhow.

Mona
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have a good point here. I feel like there's always missing information in these kinds of posts, especially when the OP ends up getting defensive in their answers, and I find myself questioning the OP every time. But the swear, if true, does tell you about character.

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A Jones
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, in a nutshell if a person makes the choice to have kids, they should know that they're also responsible for their own kids. If you can't handle more than one kid, don't have another kid or hire a nanny/sitter.

Abraxas59
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

never had ppd then ! pray to god you never do if your female or your other half doesnt if ur male is awful ive been there in a much tougher situation all taylor needs is a break to reset ot much to ask jeez but as ive said before op has never been q proper mother with a dam nanny and a cleaner as a sahm ! and only working lt she never looked after her own kids for godsake but your saying taylor n bro are in the wrong for hving kids lol hiring nannies is very much an entitled thing if you cant look after your own kids dont have em dint palm em off on other ok yes people often work and use creches which is great so op could help out by suggesting this to the poor mother whos at breaking point with ppd its real and its awful and also getting the 6 yr old in to school not letting her get away with not going

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Trundle
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lmao what kind of hare brained idiots can accuse someone, who is letting their family stay with them FOR FREE, Of not not being there for their family when they are struggling? It really takes a stunning lack of brain cells to make that connection

Rayne OfSalt
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The number of not-doctors diagnosing Taylor with a medical condition is beyond stupid.

Sand Ers
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And none of them seem to grasp that ppd or not, SIL didnโ€™t even acknowledge or apologize for not adhering to the agreement. She just dumped everything on their host, and expected it to go away. Not unlike the tables full of trash on the aรŸhole customers list.

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ChascatmoK X
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Send them to a Long Term Stay Hotel. Residence Inn. Extended Stay Hotel. NOW!

Broadredpanda
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look! I may get downvoted for this but, how is she going to manage when she lives in her own place? I raised three daughters alone and got PND after my second, but didn't realise until she was 10 months old. Yes I got help by going to the doctors. To me, it sounds like she thought SIL didn't mean those rules and is utterly taking advantage of this. Your baby cries, soothe it, your daughter HAS to go to school and mom is making absolutely no effort to do so. That's actually illegal in this country (uk). PPD or not, she doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help herself at all. She's NEVER going to be able to cope when she's alone. I do think that it wouldn't have hurt to let her little girl come along though. But you shouldn't have to go looking for a mom when the children are crying. It's the hardest job in the world, but she needs to get help ASAP! I don't want to say the SIL is an AH and I don't think it's fair to label OP as an AH either.

Shelia Malone
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When you open your home, you are literally give up your free space. Peace of mind. The OP is paying all the bills. She is not responsible for a children she did not procreate. Not even here brother and his girlfriend. I have opened my home several times to family. You end up trying to make everyone happy, while you become miserable. The OP is not the bad person. These people are guest innher home., they need to conduct themselves accordingly. If Taylor can't control her kids. She /they should move out. Who wants to pay to be miserable in their own home for someone else's happiness. People make life choices and then expect others to solve their problems. No get back your peace. You and your husband are paying for it.

Carole G.
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA - All the OP was supplying was basically a roof, the rest is on Ellis & Taylor. They are taking advantage. Drama queen Taylor should be going out of her way to adhere to the agreement & Ellis should be doing his fare share. If Taylor needs a "break" she should get a part-time job or go house hunting in the evenings while her hubs is home. I mean come on, it's not that hard unless you expect everyone to do for you. On another note, put that kid in school, she'll adjust, geez, talk about the tail wagging the dog...

Kim Lorton
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have Ellis spend half a day on Saturday with the daughter doing an activity she enjoys, then go for linch or a treat then home. Taylor needs to see the doctor get diagnosed and on medication until this has passed. OP, needs to be firm and supportive, and get them into an extended stay asap.

Kim Lorton
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, if you have any baby sitters in your rolodex, give him the name of a couple and let him hire a baby sitter to watch the kids for a few hours a day, get the baby on a bottle, so the babysitter can feed the baby. Also, have him take his clothes to the laundromat and take the daughter with him. She will love a trip somewhere she will have undivided attention and a few books or coloring books. If he isn't cooking like on the weekends, he needs to fork over money for the food you are cooking. Set up a special box for the daughter and no one else, for snacks box drinks, books and crayons or whatever age appropriate toys she enjoys. Put it where she can reach it , but let her know snacks are only after a meal and after school only. Let her know she will be in control of it but she will follow directions and not munch all day she is home. And , to have this set up, she needs to go to school every day. Have SEllis soend

Rowboat
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! This, exactly! OP doesn't have to fix everything but kicking them out is just going to severely damage their relationship with their brother. Reaffirming boundaries and having a calm discussion never hurt anyone. And you're the first person I've seen who's pointed out that the kid is probably acting out due to the change in attention and environment. I can understand tempers flaring and people getting heated but OP really has jumped straight to scorched earth.

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JayWantsACat
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that they're struggling it's pretty clearly implied that Taylor would take advantage of that. Even after agreeing to the conditions, Taylor is making requests and demands and has exptectations for OP to handle more than was agreed upon. OP gave Taylor an inch, Taylor expects a mile even though they agreed on conditions ahead of time. Imagine how much more Taylor would take if OP agreed to help even in a limited basis. There have been plenty of articles here about how parents would leave they kids with family members to babysit only to not return until several hours after the agreed upon time. Taylor seems exactly the type to expect that. Could OP be better about helping a little? Sure. Does she have to? No, especially since that's not part of their agreement. I feel like ESH but OP is NTA.

Sand Ers
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There was one here where mom left a child for โ€œa few hoursโ€, with someone who was totally unprepared to care for an infant. And then went on a weekend bender and didnโ€™t return or communicate for -days-. And was then outraged that the person had called CPS.

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DustBunny
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Taylor isnโ€™t a new mumโ€”the baby is seven months old and she had five years of practice with the daughter already. She does need help, and so does the daughter, but that on her and Ellis. Theyโ€™re struggling because Ellis, mostly, isnโ€™t pulling weight at home. New job or not he needs to manage this. (My parents had multiple kids close in age and zero nannies or family help and my dad still made sure my mom wasnโ€™t overwhelmed. He has kids; he has to do this.)

DustBunny
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The money theyโ€™re not spending on rent they can spend on a babysitter.

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Amy Moore
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The SIL "not being able to look for other housing because of having the kids with her" is BS. Make the older one behave or send her butt to school abd look for other housing. SIL was given the ground rules and is CHOOSING not to follow them.

Craig Reynolds
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. This is why you don't offer to let anyone, family or friends, live in your home. Entitlement eventually rears its head in many cases and suddenly you are being gaslighted.

Kim Lorton
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Obviously it is hard on everyone. First get the school aged child to school. Contact her teacher at the new school and have her assign a buddy or two to the daughter. Put a little surprise in her school lunch to share with her buddies. And let her know, she will go to school and need to stay there. A buddy will really help. Second get Taylor in to see an ob-gyn and diagnosed with ppd. She has it for sure. Get her on some medication and hooked up with a mommy support group for her to attend. Then, set Ellis down and let him know he has failed to follow through on his side of the deal to stay there. Give him a list of extended stay places and he needs to get that done asap. Let him know HE, needs to spend his at home time taking care if the baby and Taylors' other child. They are lacking for adult affection and supervision. She is feeling her mom's stress and so is the baby. He needs to come through. If , if tou

Shaena N. Spencer
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA your house your rules!! You clearly told them B4hand what you expected!! Time to grow TF up. What'll they do when they're in their own place?? Exactly what she gotta do now!!

Batson Belfrey
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All these armchair internet "doctors" trying to justify this lazy mother by saying she has 'PPD'. PPD is extremely rare and it is not a justification for a mother to ignore her children and get out of her responsibilities, shame on all of you trying to use that as an excuse. Even if she does have it, so what? Push through it! That's what mothers have been doing for millenia! I don't want to hear anymore stories about how mothers are "unsung heroes" and "strong" and " can do it all" if this woman who has nothing else to do BUT take care of her children, chooses to whine and cry about it instead of toughen up and doing what is expected of every other mother on the planet. And why isn't that older daughter in school? You're the parent - Act like it! Agree with the sister, kick their lazy asses out!

Paula Wynn
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, and I don't understand those who say that she is! She allowed the 4 of them to stay in her house rent free, and they agreed to the conditions. I'd be showing my gratitude by cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for everyone! Taylor can't even do it for HER own family. What does she DO all day if she doesn't work, do house chores, or take care of her kids? Didn't she do those things at her other house before they moved? She can also MAKE a 6 year old go to school! Do NOT pick her up early, and if she won't go in the morning, then she stays in bed all day to get better. No TV, video games, etc. If she makes a miraculous recovery, put her to work and tell her she has to have a JOB-----either school or housework. She'll stop her mess REAL QUICK. She's probably just doing what she sees her mom do----playing sick to avoid responsibility. Does Taylor go shopping, off with friends, etc? Those with post partem usually don't do much of ANYTHING. Brother needs to let her OB/GYN know

FluffyDreg
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Would it be the sign of an absolute Saint if OP was patient with them breaking all the agreements and continued to show compassion and extensive d support for someone who's clearly struggling. Yes. Is OP an a*****e for not letting all their boundaries and agreements get bulldozed and stop providing free housing because they show no sing of change? No. I imagine OP is already stressed, and we have no idea if she was barely keeping her head afloat. Someone else put this really well, many of these YTA would have been telling OP if they refused to house them at all, that "why can't you just lend them a room and stay hands off? YTA." And now they are saying "you can't expect to be able to ignore children like ing in your home.

Tami Coons
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA You've given them free room and board, and all they've done is make you feel uncomfortable IN YOUR OWN HOME. Your home, your space, your rules. If they think that you should help them deal with the fallout from their decisions, they have another think coming. They've imposed quite enough on you and your family. If they can't handle their own problems, that's entirely on them. What would they have done if you hadn't been so accommodating to begin with? They can do that. It's your home, not an hotel. They've overstayed their welcome and abused your generosity. Absolutely in no way at all are you the a*****e. You've gone far enough out of your way. Take your life back.

Hodge Elmwood
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Taylor's older kid is old enough to go to school, therefore Taylor's kid is old enough to play quietly, read, draw, watch a video or a movie, etc., while Taylor searches online for apartments. Does Taylor's baby not nap during the day? What I'm saying is that even with two kids, there must be some time when Taylor is not caring for her children and could make some attempt at searching for an apartment. Failing that, why can't Taylor and her husband find a realtor with expertise in rentals? They do exist. I agree though that the first step is getting Taylor assessed for PPD, and her husband needs to put his foot down about therapy. Taylor is not her mother; any therapist she sees is not her mother's therapist. It's time to make the effort to get healthier.

Leoninus Fate
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yeah the woman locking her self in the closet and letting her own kids just go neglected? yeah That is the AH she need to get checked out , theres something wrong with her, and the fact the husband is working so much he cant see it is a huge call, they need to get help and its nothing to this woman that owns the house, shes even offered to help but its up to them to do s**t too

Halloween Lady
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love the amount of people crying about Taylor having PPD, guess what? A LOT of wine have it, I had it and had 2 kids to take care of but they were more important then me and my issues, if she won't even get diagnosed and won't ask her husband to provide the help and her and her issues are Not OPs to deal with and get wanting to kick them out is justified. I never had time away from my kids aside from work and school and I was able to keep it together after a life full of depression, anxiety and PTSD. OPs NTA but her brother and SIL are

Donna Klein
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My sister-in-law would have never treated me so poorly. Either one of them! Taylor is obviously suffering from PPD, and she's feeling desperate and alone. The woman needs help for God's sake. Is there an adult in that house to step up and get her some? ESH, except Taylor. OP, look up the meaning of "empathy" in the dictionary. Then look inside yourself and see if you're capable of such an emotion. I can't believe you even had the nerve to post this (albeit anonymously) because it portrays you in such a negative light. If this happened in my family, we would step up, and help our FAMILY member find help for PPD, we would offer comfort and help with her children (also our family). I'm baffled by your lack of care and compassion. It makes me sad for humanity.

Hannah
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly the thing I'm most baffled by here is the fact Taylor and Ellis "can't" make their daughter go to school. I don't care if my kid is 6 or 16 if I know they're not really sick I will DRAG them to the car and take them to school. I understand she's probably having a hard time with the transition (and I'm sure living with an aunt who clearly doesn't want anything to do with her must suck) but if anything that's all the more reason to make her go to school. Give her that routine and that time away from the house she doesn't want to be in.

Spooky beck
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did the brother and Taylor act entitled like this before they moved in? Or is this behavior new. That question is key. If itโ€™s new behavior, she has ppd and needs help from the sister in law (I know itโ€™s not the sahmโ€™s job, but if this is new behavior she should show empathy.) if they were already like this, they need to go.

Negatoris Wrecks
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised the solution of making sil get screening and treatment for ppd (hiding in a closet to avoid your screaming baby is a big sign something isn't right with her mental health) (it is also what they reccomend in parenting and natal classes. The Period or Purple Crying is VERY REAL and not walking off and cooling down leads to horrific outcomes)and finding ways to help them find a new place faster. Just compiling listing filtered with their needs or getting them an appointment at an apartment complex could help speed it up. This doesn't need to be scorched earth.

Liesl English
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on the wording, OP does seem like an AH in general to me. It sounds like she had a lot of support with her kids, between having a cleaner and a nanny. And talking about a 6 year old the way seems very off. I also wonder why she is on the page because she seems very sure that she was NTA, even though she lacks compassion on all levels.

Abraxas59
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

ok so my take on this YTH in some ways how heartless are you exactly you had a nanny with your own child for heavens sake and you only had one hmm ok so on to your sil she most def has post natal depression shutting herself in the closet says it all and what did you do you hit the roof seriously in your position id hve been like omg love come here huge hug followed by ok what can i do to help and taken some of the pressure off her till your brother got home and im not a people person either but i have a good heart you clearly do not you set unrealistic expectations on them the 6 yr old is being a brat because her mum cant give her the time now this is normal when a new baby arrives and the move etc but she ligit needs to be in school which would help poor taylor this you can help with ie make her go to school either drive her there or look after the baby while she takes her either way stop that behaviour of 6 yr old not going right now and unfreeze that heart of yours yes esh to

Bahama Mama
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is where I have a problem with op, is her unrealistic expectations of the baby not crying. Yeah you can try to sooth a baby and get them to quit crying but that's not how it always works. Sometimes babies cry just because and sometimes you can't get them to stop. Just facts, so I'm wondering if her nanny always took care of the crying baby so she didn't have to hear it. ๐Ÿค”

Lisa Barbeau
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She didnโ€™t say she expected the baby to never cry. She expects her houseguests to attend to the baby when it does. The instances she mentions are them doing absolutely nothing but sleeping through it all. Honestly, what kind of parents wouldnโ€™t be up with a screaming child? Maybe parents who expect someone else to take care of it all for them?

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Stacy Jones
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think sometimes people underestimate how extreme PPD can be. It's really intense, debilitating, and devastating. I agree that it's not OP's job to administer the care Taylor needs, but *everything* she's upset about is a symptom of a difficult medical condition, not laziness on their part. It sounds like Taylor is incapable, not unwilling, to meet the agreed upon terms. I vote NAH, but if it were me, I would want to help.

Janet Wright
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All you arm chair physicians might want to reconsider that there may be something physically wrong with Taylor. It may well be post partum depression, but an actual doctor needs to see her. It does not seem that her spouse helps her out much. I can understand why the OP is frustrated. But that frustration is affecting everyone else. I think Op might step up a little. For the kids particularly. Maybe give Taylor an afternoon out. It may help relieve some of her anxiety. Me, I never had kids nor did I want them. I knew I would have been a bad mom. But I still think a smack on the butt is a good way to discipline. A last resort. I had a very abusive childhood in many ways and did not want to bring a child into my psychological hell. I've been in therapy for more than 40years. Anyway, I think the people in this story are too self absorbed. No one is really an AH, but they all suck at communication and empathy.

TheReader19
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So I know I'm going to get down voted, but certain ethnic groups seem to have no sense of family; or love for any child they didn't give birth to themselves. I really don't understand this mentality, and the fact that her sister in law is suffering means nothing to this woman. Considering she used to have a nanny and she still has a cleaner; even though she's a sahm means she knows it's hard. Yet she doesn't seem to possess a shred of humanity. And literally everybody is agreeing with her is a damning indictment of the cultural mind set and the problems of the nuclear family.

Charm Hockaday
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Elaborate on how that has anything to do with the fact she set clear rules that they agreed to before moving in? She made it clear she was giving them an inch and they agreed to it.

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Timmi Hartman
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The OP is a Stay At Home Mom of 1, who has a cleaner AND had a Nanny. Good set up, if you can get it. However with all that I wonder how much struggling she has done as a mom. This is where her lack of empathy comes from. True that agreements were made, but coldly enforced, with little empathy and humanity. Would it have killed her to take the neice on her run to the school, and give SIL a small break...NO. But hey, it's not her problem, right. Perhaps OP would be a more empathetic SIL/Aunt but for the fact she CLEARLY dislikes both of those females. This was a bad plan from the jump. Unless OP really believed a whole family could move into her home and have no more impact on her life than a piece of furniture.

Lisa Barbeau
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The OP also has her own business. My guess is she knew going in her SIL would be prone to take advantage hence the strict rules. Plus she is already opening her home to them for no cost, a huge favor in and of itself. Iโ€™m surprised the guests have made no effort to keep up their side of the bargain yet some people just expect the OP to ignore it and keep giving more of her time and her money.

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Veronica Vatter
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. OP clearly doesn't remember what it was like to be on the edge of breaking down with your kids driving you nuts. Possibly because she only had one and had a nanny so she would have a break. She also has a cleaner. Sounds like OP is spoiled and isn't doing any cleaning either. SIL sounds like she has PPD and is breaking. I can't imagine being so cold that I would not watch the kids for a few mins so mom can take a shower and decompress. Did they break the agreement, yes. But it's not like they are slobs. And OP could be helping them look for a house if she wanted them out sooner.

Sarah Lรฉon
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand how having so much new people including a baby in your house can be so stressful and overwhelming, but there are some things I can't understand in what OP is saying. Ok, Taylor has to manage her own kids and OP is not here to be the parent. That's normal. But if there already is a cleaner in the house, why wan't they do Ellis's laundry ? Ellis can pay. The same if there was a nanny. If everyone pay, why not ? And why refuse to take a little girl out for a few hours when you already go out with your own ? I agree OP opened her house to her brother's family and that's nice, but she seems to put so much pressure on Taylor ! I don't understand why.

TribbleThinking
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The cleaner is right there. So why can't SIL use her mouth (that she uses easily to swear with at her host) to *ask* the cleaner to do her laundry and offer to pay her (with some of that free rent money)? Is the OP supposed to arrange AND pay for SIL's laundry too? Quite frankly, if the SIL so far gone that she can't do "Hi, what's your hourly rate,and can you please do my laundry" to a woman standing right in front of her, she needs to be assessed for a locked facility, not roaming around.

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Perfumista Perfumista
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh for pete's sake she's seriously struggling. She's not trying to ignore you, she is simply unable to manage it. You are willing to pay for a hotel, which will not alleviate her struggle at all. Pay for either a care giver / cleaning person for a few hours a week to allow mom some decompression time.

Joelle Jansen
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is OP technically wrong? No, they did clearly break the agreement. But I'm baffled that someone can see their sister-in-law and brother struggling and absolutely refuse to step up even a little. In fact, I'd dare say they'd be out of your hair *sooner* if you helped out. Hiding in a closet from your children because they overwhelm you is not normal mom behavior.

arthbach
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Joelle Jansen, I'm with you. It's clear this little family needs help. The family has experience three major life stressors in the past few months (birth of a child, moving, and starting a new job). They need help to get to a good place. Their daughter needs help settling into school. The family needs help finding a place to live. The mother needs help to prevent the overwhelm building up, and the parents sound as if they could do with a few hours to themselves as a couple. The way to help is not to tell them, "You broke the agreement, get out." but instead, "Things are not working out. Why? How can we, together, find a solution?"

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Sand Ers
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For all those ESHs and YTAs; what situation do they think the brother and SIL and kids would be in if OP hadnโ€™t offered rooms to sleep in? Because thatโ€™s all she offered, and thatโ€™s what they accepted. Since they couldnโ€™t cope with their own children under somebody elseโ€™s roof, now they get to do it on their own.

Nina
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. No one else has pointed this out. They're getting a free house, not two extra nannies. If they could deal with their kids when they lived together, there's no reason they can't do it in a free home. They are entitled af. If Taylor needs help, her husband needs to step up.

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Darthest Starfish
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. You open your home to someone with VERY CLEAR CONDITIONS, and those conditions are immediately broken. OP cannot even enjoy her own home due to the mess, stress, and overall bad behavior. If you want to put someone else above your own sanity, peace of mind, and comfort, be my guest, but I surmise most of you wouldn't. OP has been more than generous, Bro and fam have to go. Sorry.

StumblingThroughLife
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds to me like Taylor was just nodding her head at the conditions, but inwardly not accepting them, and arrived with the assumption that the Nanny was there & would take over the kids, and the cleaning would be done by someone else. And then assumed the OP would step in. NTA for OP, YTA for T&E for ignoring the conditions (and not mentioning, if E knew, that T had PND). I don't care what ESH/YTA peeps think of the OP, because it WAS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT made before they moved in. Opening your home on trust is a big thing, IMO. I bet many have had that moment (me included), and found that trust is broken.

Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree, and it's difficult to tell if Taylor is experiencing a mental health crisis or if she just has an avoidant personality prone to denial. Either way the OP set clear rules, they aren't being followed. Taylor may not need professional help or she might. Honestly, the only people who sound like AHs here are the brother and SIL for not facing up to how overwhelmed by parenting Taylor is and it sounds like the brother already understood Taylor couldn't be left fully alone with two kids. It was a poor solution to a bigger problem and the OP's brother needs to start seeking meaningful solutions because hiding in a closet is kind of a big red flag that Taylor is dangerously overwhelmed by her inner world. Either way, the OP didn't marry Taylor and whereas the baby needs to be protected, it's the brother's job to step the up and start finding solutions...and religiously use birth control for super obvious reasons.

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Trillian
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How can you not find a moment to browse rentals? Moving like that was poorly planned but jeez, the older kid should go to school once in a while and then you either wait till the baby naps or you just take the baby on your lap and start browsing. Most sites offer setting up an alert for new listings. WTH is she doing all day? I was so bored home with my babies I would go on hour long walks with them just to pass the time.

Sand Ers
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The girl needs to be in school. The rest of your comment was just dismissing other peopleโ€™s experiences and asserting yours as the norm.

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TribbleThinking
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have sympathised with the SIL until I found out that she swore at OP. You can't help feeling overwhelmed, but you sure as heck can control your darned language and it shows that SIL feels totally entitled to *demand* help. They are already getting free rent, so to hold up their end of the bargain, they should look at options like hiring their own day visit nanny to help SIL with child/baby wrangling. These are things they are going to have to address when they move out In 6 weeks anyhow.

Mona
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have a good point here. I feel like there's always missing information in these kinds of posts, especially when the OP ends up getting defensive in their answers, and I find myself questioning the OP every time. But the swear, if true, does tell you about character.

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A Jones
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, in a nutshell if a person makes the choice to have kids, they should know that they're also responsible for their own kids. If you can't handle more than one kid, don't have another kid or hire a nanny/sitter.

Abraxas59
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

never had ppd then ! pray to god you never do if your female or your other half doesnt if ur male is awful ive been there in a much tougher situation all taylor needs is a break to reset ot much to ask jeez but as ive said before op has never been q proper mother with a dam nanny and a cleaner as a sahm ! and only working lt she never looked after her own kids for godsake but your saying taylor n bro are in the wrong for hving kids lol hiring nannies is very much an entitled thing if you cant look after your own kids dont have em dint palm em off on other ok yes people often work and use creches which is great so op could help out by suggesting this to the poor mother whos at breaking point with ppd its real and its awful and also getting the 6 yr old in to school not letting her get away with not going

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Trundle
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lmao what kind of hare brained idiots can accuse someone, who is letting their family stay with them FOR FREE, Of not not being there for their family when they are struggling? It really takes a stunning lack of brain cells to make that connection

Rayne OfSalt
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The number of not-doctors diagnosing Taylor with a medical condition is beyond stupid.

Sand Ers
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And none of them seem to grasp that ppd or not, SIL didnโ€™t even acknowledge or apologize for not adhering to the agreement. She just dumped everything on their host, and expected it to go away. Not unlike the tables full of trash on the aรŸhole customers list.

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ChascatmoK X
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Send them to a Long Term Stay Hotel. Residence Inn. Extended Stay Hotel. NOW!

Broadredpanda
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look! I may get downvoted for this but, how is she going to manage when she lives in her own place? I raised three daughters alone and got PND after my second, but didn't realise until she was 10 months old. Yes I got help by going to the doctors. To me, it sounds like she thought SIL didn't mean those rules and is utterly taking advantage of this. Your baby cries, soothe it, your daughter HAS to go to school and mom is making absolutely no effort to do so. That's actually illegal in this country (uk). PPD or not, she doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help herself at all. She's NEVER going to be able to cope when she's alone. I do think that it wouldn't have hurt to let her little girl come along though. But you shouldn't have to go looking for a mom when the children are crying. It's the hardest job in the world, but she needs to get help ASAP! I don't want to say the SIL is an AH and I don't think it's fair to label OP as an AH either.

Shelia Malone
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When you open your home, you are literally give up your free space. Peace of mind. The OP is paying all the bills. She is not responsible for a children she did not procreate. Not even here brother and his girlfriend. I have opened my home several times to family. You end up trying to make everyone happy, while you become miserable. The OP is not the bad person. These people are guest innher home., they need to conduct themselves accordingly. If Taylor can't control her kids. She /they should move out. Who wants to pay to be miserable in their own home for someone else's happiness. People make life choices and then expect others to solve their problems. No get back your peace. You and your husband are paying for it.

Carole G.
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA - All the OP was supplying was basically a roof, the rest is on Ellis & Taylor. They are taking advantage. Drama queen Taylor should be going out of her way to adhere to the agreement & Ellis should be doing his fare share. If Taylor needs a "break" she should get a part-time job or go house hunting in the evenings while her hubs is home. I mean come on, it's not that hard unless you expect everyone to do for you. On another note, put that kid in school, she'll adjust, geez, talk about the tail wagging the dog...

Kim Lorton
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have Ellis spend half a day on Saturday with the daughter doing an activity she enjoys, then go for linch or a treat then home. Taylor needs to see the doctor get diagnosed and on medication until this has passed. OP, needs to be firm and supportive, and get them into an extended stay asap.

Kim Lorton
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, if you have any baby sitters in your rolodex, give him the name of a couple and let him hire a baby sitter to watch the kids for a few hours a day, get the baby on a bottle, so the babysitter can feed the baby. Also, have him take his clothes to the laundromat and take the daughter with him. She will love a trip somewhere she will have undivided attention and a few books or coloring books. If he isn't cooking like on the weekends, he needs to fork over money for the food you are cooking. Set up a special box for the daughter and no one else, for snacks box drinks, books and crayons or whatever age appropriate toys she enjoys. Put it where she can reach it , but let her know snacks are only after a meal and after school only. Let her know she will be in control of it but she will follow directions and not munch all day she is home. And , to have this set up, she needs to go to school every day. Have SEllis soend

Rowboat
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! This, exactly! OP doesn't have to fix everything but kicking them out is just going to severely damage their relationship with their brother. Reaffirming boundaries and having a calm discussion never hurt anyone. And you're the first person I've seen who's pointed out that the kid is probably acting out due to the change in attention and environment. I can understand tempers flaring and people getting heated but OP really has jumped straight to scorched earth.

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JayWantsACat
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that they're struggling it's pretty clearly implied that Taylor would take advantage of that. Even after agreeing to the conditions, Taylor is making requests and demands and has exptectations for OP to handle more than was agreed upon. OP gave Taylor an inch, Taylor expects a mile even though they agreed on conditions ahead of time. Imagine how much more Taylor would take if OP agreed to help even in a limited basis. There have been plenty of articles here about how parents would leave they kids with family members to babysit only to not return until several hours after the agreed upon time. Taylor seems exactly the type to expect that. Could OP be better about helping a little? Sure. Does she have to? No, especially since that's not part of their agreement. I feel like ESH but OP is NTA.

Sand Ers
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There was one here where mom left a child for โ€œa few hoursโ€, with someone who was totally unprepared to care for an infant. And then went on a weekend bender and didnโ€™t return or communicate for -days-. And was then outraged that the person had called CPS.

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DustBunny
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Taylor isnโ€™t a new mumโ€”the baby is seven months old and she had five years of practice with the daughter already. She does need help, and so does the daughter, but that on her and Ellis. Theyโ€™re struggling because Ellis, mostly, isnโ€™t pulling weight at home. New job or not he needs to manage this. (My parents had multiple kids close in age and zero nannies or family help and my dad still made sure my mom wasnโ€™t overwhelmed. He has kids; he has to do this.)

DustBunny
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The money theyโ€™re not spending on rent they can spend on a babysitter.

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Amy Moore
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The SIL "not being able to look for other housing because of having the kids with her" is BS. Make the older one behave or send her butt to school abd look for other housing. SIL was given the ground rules and is CHOOSING not to follow them.

Craig Reynolds
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. This is why you don't offer to let anyone, family or friends, live in your home. Entitlement eventually rears its head in many cases and suddenly you are being gaslighted.

Kim Lorton
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Obviously it is hard on everyone. First get the school aged child to school. Contact her teacher at the new school and have her assign a buddy or two to the daughter. Put a little surprise in her school lunch to share with her buddies. And let her know, she will go to school and need to stay there. A buddy will really help. Second get Taylor in to see an ob-gyn and diagnosed with ppd. She has it for sure. Get her on some medication and hooked up with a mommy support group for her to attend. Then, set Ellis down and let him know he has failed to follow through on his side of the deal to stay there. Give him a list of extended stay places and he needs to get that done asap. Let him know HE, needs to spend his at home time taking care if the baby and Taylors' other child. They are lacking for adult affection and supervision. She is feeling her mom's stress and so is the baby. He needs to come through. If , if tou

Shaena N. Spencer
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA your house your rules!! You clearly told them B4hand what you expected!! Time to grow TF up. What'll they do when they're in their own place?? Exactly what she gotta do now!!

Batson Belfrey
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All these armchair internet "doctors" trying to justify this lazy mother by saying she has 'PPD'. PPD is extremely rare and it is not a justification for a mother to ignore her children and get out of her responsibilities, shame on all of you trying to use that as an excuse. Even if she does have it, so what? Push through it! That's what mothers have been doing for millenia! I don't want to hear anymore stories about how mothers are "unsung heroes" and "strong" and " can do it all" if this woman who has nothing else to do BUT take care of her children, chooses to whine and cry about it instead of toughen up and doing what is expected of every other mother on the planet. And why isn't that older daughter in school? You're the parent - Act like it! Agree with the sister, kick their lazy asses out!

Paula Wynn
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, and I don't understand those who say that she is! She allowed the 4 of them to stay in her house rent free, and they agreed to the conditions. I'd be showing my gratitude by cooking, cleaning, and doing laundry for everyone! Taylor can't even do it for HER own family. What does she DO all day if she doesn't work, do house chores, or take care of her kids? Didn't she do those things at her other house before they moved? She can also MAKE a 6 year old go to school! Do NOT pick her up early, and if she won't go in the morning, then she stays in bed all day to get better. No TV, video games, etc. If she makes a miraculous recovery, put her to work and tell her she has to have a JOB-----either school or housework. She'll stop her mess REAL QUICK. She's probably just doing what she sees her mom do----playing sick to avoid responsibility. Does Taylor go shopping, off with friends, etc? Those with post partem usually don't do much of ANYTHING. Brother needs to let her OB/GYN know

FluffyDreg
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Would it be the sign of an absolute Saint if OP was patient with them breaking all the agreements and continued to show compassion and extensive d support for someone who's clearly struggling. Yes. Is OP an a*****e for not letting all their boundaries and agreements get bulldozed and stop providing free housing because they show no sing of change? No. I imagine OP is already stressed, and we have no idea if she was barely keeping her head afloat. Someone else put this really well, many of these YTA would have been telling OP if they refused to house them at all, that "why can't you just lend them a room and stay hands off? YTA." And now they are saying "you can't expect to be able to ignore children like ing in your home.

Tami Coons
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA You've given them free room and board, and all they've done is make you feel uncomfortable IN YOUR OWN HOME. Your home, your space, your rules. If they think that you should help them deal with the fallout from their decisions, they have another think coming. They've imposed quite enough on you and your family. If they can't handle their own problems, that's entirely on them. What would they have done if you hadn't been so accommodating to begin with? They can do that. It's your home, not an hotel. They've overstayed their welcome and abused your generosity. Absolutely in no way at all are you the a*****e. You've gone far enough out of your way. Take your life back.

Hodge Elmwood
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Taylor's older kid is old enough to go to school, therefore Taylor's kid is old enough to play quietly, read, draw, watch a video or a movie, etc., while Taylor searches online for apartments. Does Taylor's baby not nap during the day? What I'm saying is that even with two kids, there must be some time when Taylor is not caring for her children and could make some attempt at searching for an apartment. Failing that, why can't Taylor and her husband find a realtor with expertise in rentals? They do exist. I agree though that the first step is getting Taylor assessed for PPD, and her husband needs to put his foot down about therapy. Taylor is not her mother; any therapist she sees is not her mother's therapist. It's time to make the effort to get healthier.

Leoninus Fate
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yeah the woman locking her self in the closet and letting her own kids just go neglected? yeah That is the AH she need to get checked out , theres something wrong with her, and the fact the husband is working so much he cant see it is a huge call, they need to get help and its nothing to this woman that owns the house, shes even offered to help but its up to them to do s**t too

Halloween Lady
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love the amount of people crying about Taylor having PPD, guess what? A LOT of wine have it, I had it and had 2 kids to take care of but they were more important then me and my issues, if she won't even get diagnosed and won't ask her husband to provide the help and her and her issues are Not OPs to deal with and get wanting to kick them out is justified. I never had time away from my kids aside from work and school and I was able to keep it together after a life full of depression, anxiety and PTSD. OPs NTA but her brother and SIL are

Donna Klein
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My sister-in-law would have never treated me so poorly. Either one of them! Taylor is obviously suffering from PPD, and she's feeling desperate and alone. The woman needs help for God's sake. Is there an adult in that house to step up and get her some? ESH, except Taylor. OP, look up the meaning of "empathy" in the dictionary. Then look inside yourself and see if you're capable of such an emotion. I can't believe you even had the nerve to post this (albeit anonymously) because it portrays you in such a negative light. If this happened in my family, we would step up, and help our FAMILY member find help for PPD, we would offer comfort and help with her children (also our family). I'm baffled by your lack of care and compassion. It makes me sad for humanity.

Hannah
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly the thing I'm most baffled by here is the fact Taylor and Ellis "can't" make their daughter go to school. I don't care if my kid is 6 or 16 if I know they're not really sick I will DRAG them to the car and take them to school. I understand she's probably having a hard time with the transition (and I'm sure living with an aunt who clearly doesn't want anything to do with her must suck) but if anything that's all the more reason to make her go to school. Give her that routine and that time away from the house she doesn't want to be in.

Spooky beck
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did the brother and Taylor act entitled like this before they moved in? Or is this behavior new. That question is key. If itโ€™s new behavior, she has ppd and needs help from the sister in law (I know itโ€™s not the sahmโ€™s job, but if this is new behavior she should show empathy.) if they were already like this, they need to go.

Negatoris Wrecks
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised the solution of making sil get screening and treatment for ppd (hiding in a closet to avoid your screaming baby is a big sign something isn't right with her mental health) (it is also what they reccomend in parenting and natal classes. The Period or Purple Crying is VERY REAL and not walking off and cooling down leads to horrific outcomes)and finding ways to help them find a new place faster. Just compiling listing filtered with their needs or getting them an appointment at an apartment complex could help speed it up. This doesn't need to be scorched earth.

Liesl English
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on the wording, OP does seem like an AH in general to me. It sounds like she had a lot of support with her kids, between having a cleaner and a nanny. And talking about a 6 year old the way seems very off. I also wonder why she is on the page because she seems very sure that she was NTA, even though she lacks compassion on all levels.

Abraxas59
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

ok so my take on this YTH in some ways how heartless are you exactly you had a nanny with your own child for heavens sake and you only had one hmm ok so on to your sil she most def has post natal depression shutting herself in the closet says it all and what did you do you hit the roof seriously in your position id hve been like omg love come here huge hug followed by ok what can i do to help and taken some of the pressure off her till your brother got home and im not a people person either but i have a good heart you clearly do not you set unrealistic expectations on them the 6 yr old is being a brat because her mum cant give her the time now this is normal when a new baby arrives and the move etc but she ligit needs to be in school which would help poor taylor this you can help with ie make her go to school either drive her there or look after the baby while she takes her either way stop that behaviour of 6 yr old not going right now and unfreeze that heart of yours yes esh to

Bahama Mama
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is where I have a problem with op, is her unrealistic expectations of the baby not crying. Yeah you can try to sooth a baby and get them to quit crying but that's not how it always works. Sometimes babies cry just because and sometimes you can't get them to stop. Just facts, so I'm wondering if her nanny always took care of the crying baby so she didn't have to hear it. ๐Ÿค”

Lisa Barbeau
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She didnโ€™t say she expected the baby to never cry. She expects her houseguests to attend to the baby when it does. The instances she mentions are them doing absolutely nothing but sleeping through it all. Honestly, what kind of parents wouldnโ€™t be up with a screaming child? Maybe parents who expect someone else to take care of it all for them?

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Stacy Jones
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think sometimes people underestimate how extreme PPD can be. It's really intense, debilitating, and devastating. I agree that it's not OP's job to administer the care Taylor needs, but *everything* she's upset about is a symptom of a difficult medical condition, not laziness on their part. It sounds like Taylor is incapable, not unwilling, to meet the agreed upon terms. I vote NAH, but if it were me, I would want to help.

Janet Wright
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All you arm chair physicians might want to reconsider that there may be something physically wrong with Taylor. It may well be post partum depression, but an actual doctor needs to see her. It does not seem that her spouse helps her out much. I can understand why the OP is frustrated. But that frustration is affecting everyone else. I think Op might step up a little. For the kids particularly. Maybe give Taylor an afternoon out. It may help relieve some of her anxiety. Me, I never had kids nor did I want them. I knew I would have been a bad mom. But I still think a smack on the butt is a good way to discipline. A last resort. I had a very abusive childhood in many ways and did not want to bring a child into my psychological hell. I've been in therapy for more than 40years. Anyway, I think the people in this story are too self absorbed. No one is really an AH, but they all suck at communication and empathy.

TheReader19
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So I know I'm going to get down voted, but certain ethnic groups seem to have no sense of family; or love for any child they didn't give birth to themselves. I really don't understand this mentality, and the fact that her sister in law is suffering means nothing to this woman. Considering she used to have a nanny and she still has a cleaner; even though she's a sahm means she knows it's hard. Yet she doesn't seem to possess a shred of humanity. And literally everybody is agreeing with her is a damning indictment of the cultural mind set and the problems of the nuclear family.

Charm Hockaday
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Elaborate on how that has anything to do with the fact she set clear rules that they agreed to before moving in? She made it clear she was giving them an inch and they agreed to it.

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Timmi Hartman
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The OP is a Stay At Home Mom of 1, who has a cleaner AND had a Nanny. Good set up, if you can get it. However with all that I wonder how much struggling she has done as a mom. This is where her lack of empathy comes from. True that agreements were made, but coldly enforced, with little empathy and humanity. Would it have killed her to take the neice on her run to the school, and give SIL a small break...NO. But hey, it's not her problem, right. Perhaps OP would be a more empathetic SIL/Aunt but for the fact she CLEARLY dislikes both of those females. This was a bad plan from the jump. Unless OP really believed a whole family could move into her home and have no more impact on her life than a piece of furniture.

Lisa Barbeau
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The OP also has her own business. My guess is she knew going in her SIL would be prone to take advantage hence the strict rules. Plus she is already opening her home to them for no cost, a huge favor in and of itself. Iโ€™m surprised the guests have made no effort to keep up their side of the bargain yet some people just expect the OP to ignore it and keep giving more of her time and her money.

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Veronica Vatter
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. OP clearly doesn't remember what it was like to be on the edge of breaking down with your kids driving you nuts. Possibly because she only had one and had a nanny so she would have a break. She also has a cleaner. Sounds like OP is spoiled and isn't doing any cleaning either. SIL sounds like she has PPD and is breaking. I can't imagine being so cold that I would not watch the kids for a few mins so mom can take a shower and decompress. Did they break the agreement, yes. But it's not like they are slobs. And OP could be helping them look for a house if she wanted them out sooner.

Sarah Lรฉon
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand how having so much new people including a baby in your house can be so stressful and overwhelming, but there are some things I can't understand in what OP is saying. Ok, Taylor has to manage her own kids and OP is not here to be the parent. That's normal. But if there already is a cleaner in the house, why wan't they do Ellis's laundry ? Ellis can pay. The same if there was a nanny. If everyone pay, why not ? And why refuse to take a little girl out for a few hours when you already go out with your own ? I agree OP opened her house to her brother's family and that's nice, but she seems to put so much pressure on Taylor ! I don't understand why.

TribbleThinking
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The cleaner is right there. So why can't SIL use her mouth (that she uses easily to swear with at her host) to *ask* the cleaner to do her laundry and offer to pay her (with some of that free rent money)? Is the OP supposed to arrange AND pay for SIL's laundry too? Quite frankly, if the SIL so far gone that she can't do "Hi, what's your hourly rate,and can you please do my laundry" to a woman standing right in front of her, she needs to be assessed for a locked facility, not roaming around.

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Perfumista Perfumista
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh for pete's sake she's seriously struggling. She's not trying to ignore you, she is simply unable to manage it. You are willing to pay for a hotel, which will not alleviate her struggle at all. Pay for either a care giver / cleaning person for a few hours a week to allow mom some decompression time.

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