@ Jodie: calling all Muslims "violent and insane" is stupid and hateful on a level that I don't even know how to address. You should be ashamed.

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@ Tamra: As bad as it sounds - he is right. The parts of Europe that aren't ruled by those "Bad right wingers" are drowning in violence. Here in Germany muslims are a minority not even reaching 10% but on average across the country they are responsible for 40% of violent crimes (official statement for 2023). They regulary attack LGBQT, women and jews, plan terror attacks or openly demand a caliphate here. The situation is worse in France and Sweden - that country is half a step away from becoming a warzone. Might not fit into the current times of endless tolerance, but the reallity is often dissapointing.

I know you Germans love hating foreigners, but here in the UK we've still had more violence by Irish separatists than by Islamists, so "Europe is drowning in Muslim violence" is kind of a lie. And your tactics of "the Muslims are coming for our precious gays" has a track history of being used by far right hate groups. Also a lie: "Muslims are responsible for 40% of German violence". Depending on which violent crime you survey, immigrants commit between 9.7% and 14.3% of German violent crime, so either your home-grown Muslims are REALLY going hammer and tongs to get the figures up, or you're making s**t up. Oh, and Sweden one step from becoming a war zone? Maybe tell that to Sweden, who have a homicide rate of 1.08 per hundred thousand compared to the USA's 4.96. France's homicide rate is a similarly low 1.14. (Germany's is 0.95 so you're somewhat absurdly claiming that if Germany had 0.0001% ,more murders a year it would be a war zone). But hey, believing easily-disproved nonsense designed to demonise a particular minority group has always worked out well in your country in the past, right? Tell you what, when we want someone to pass a verdict on "the current times of endless tolerance", the Germans will be at the bottom of the list of people whose opinions we seek - somewhere between "actual Martians" and "the Pope".

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And exactly that attitude is either why Germany will go down or Nationalists will rise to power. And you know what sucks the most, the constant referencing of our past and using it as excuse to not act upon foreign problems. The thing is, it's not islamism in the sense of terror that is the main problem - it's the culture our "guests" import. An insult (such as looking in the wrong direction) can end with a knife in your chest, walking through a wrong area as woman can get you a group rape experience (Görlitzer Park;Berlin), we constanly have big groups of families beating each other up and emergency services get attacked. Everybody hates the nazis, but sure we have to show tolerance for an ideology that move themselves into the spotlight by openly celebrating the 7th October, attacking jews and LGBQT groups on a daily base. I mean, do you think people reject the Islam because "Hurr Durr Xenophobia"? They formed the image the world has of them themselves based on their actions

Can you even hear yourself, you blathering hypocrite? YOU don't like people talking about what Germany did to humanity, but the Muslims "formed the image the world has of them based on their actions". If you don't like your past being referenced, stop repeating it. Your last post was deliberately full of inflammatory lies about a minority group, and you continue to attempt to demonise them in the face of all your statistics being horseshit. So I don't see how you can object to anyone branding YOU with the image the world has of YOU based on YOUR actions. Sit down, Gauleiter Sturmfuchs. And yes - your grandpappy killed six million Jews based on "hurr durr xenophobia"

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Ah, one of those who can't differentiate between past and present - Note: We germans didn't call for the eradication of all jews for nearly 80 years now. We also don't sentence people to death for being LGBQT (or at all in fact) or attack them on sight. Hell, interesting fact: The biggest nationalist movement here isn't even german, it's the turkish "Grey Wolves". And just for clarification, being against an ideology that wants to kill all jews, LGBQTs, oppress women and being racist itself makes people Nazis....quite paradox, innit? To get back to the time frame thing, nope my grandparents didn't took part in the Holocaust since they were around 2 years old when the war ended. I mean, most people don't call for the chinese solution either ("Education camps"), just for executing the existing national, EU and international law regarding the refugees that are being a threat to the society that provides refuge.

And yet here you are calling for a final solution to the Muslim problem. The more things change, eh, Fritz? As I've already pointed out, pretending to be concerned about LGBT people is a standard far-right tactic for attacking Muslims. Quick, parrot some more far-right talking points - that'll prove you're not the Germany everyone remembers!

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Where did I say anything about a final solution? Can you quote that passage, please? I simply mentioned the problems we have caused especially by people from muslim cultures, since that is the topic and also the group that made itself prominent through them. We have Indian, Thai, Vietnamese, Japanes, Italian, Greek, Russian, Armenian and a lot of other communities here in Germany and we get along well with them and they are respected because they don't cause trouble. There isn't a single week were there aren't at least three articles in the news (across the board) about somebody with a muslim backround commiting violence. (Given the official statistics the majority doesn't make news it seems). Also yeah, calling me names based on my homecountry like "Gauleiter" and such shows that we have a true anti-racist here/s ...Typical hypocrisy

As I've repeatedly pointed out, your tactics in spreading inflammatory lies about the minority you hate are exactly the same as the tactics your great-grandparents used to vilify Jews (when they weren't busy celebrating krystallnacht by conceiving your grandpappy). Calling for a final solution is the next step in your rhetoric, and you know it. Oh, and "German" is a nationality, not a race, genius. I'm of white Anglo-Saxon descent too. (Sure, Islam isn't a race either, but I bet it isn't a coincidence that it's the brown religion you hate). Besides, as I've explained already, "by their actions shall ye know them" is YOUR rule.

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Oh out of arguments and going for ad hominem now with speculations? For the last part: Yes, CURRENT actions and not those from 3 generations ago. Or did you see me asking you how many indians you starved to death lately (Reference to Churchill's decision in 1943)

It's just interesting that all we hear about Germany is that you've had a great reckoning as a society and faced up to the mistakes of the past, and yet here you are, completely unabashed to have been caught telling divisive lies about a minority religion. You haven't even tried to defend the false statements you made. I guess the leopard doesn't change his swastikas. (It's also interesting to note that German schools apparently don't teach you what ad hominems are). And those Bengalis died because Churchill decided we needed food in Europe for the war against - hmm. Remind me? But sure, if you ever catch me engaging in pro-starvation rhetoric, feel free to throw that in my face and say the British haven't learned a thing

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Oh, sorry that I as educated german about our past am against an ideology that was allied with the Third Reich during that time (Palestine in particular) and even nowadys calls for erradicating jews, gays, etc and only accepts their own way of rulership right at the base without extremism - but let me guess, it's a complete different thing... BTW: Ad Hominem; A rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself (Like calling people names and making assumptions without evidence). Also big surprise: The Nazis also killed disabled people, gipsies, gays and lesbians besides the jews - I doubt you saw me mentioning them outside of being prime victims for muslim criminals so insinuating I'm a nazi is ridiculous from the start.

Make that a semi-educated German; something is only an ad hominem if it is a logical fallacy, otherwise it is just a personal attack. I made no logical fallacy; I pointed out a) that your statements are false and b) that you are a racist from a culture with a history of genocidal racism. Since propostition a) was not predicated on proposition b), but on the fact that your claims were disprovable with a few simple statistics, no ad hominem was committed. Don't worry about it, it's only Critical Thinking 101. By the way, a huge number of Muslims fought on the Allied side against the Nazis - if you're trying to remember which ideology agreed with them, you may be thinking of the Catholic church. But good to see you still inventing lies against a minority you despise, in the best traditions of Germany. If you don't like being called a Nazi, don't steal your rhetoric from Nazis, would be my advice.

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You know what, if you want me to be Nazi I am one, discussion ended - you have your narrative and I can still have my opinion and vote accordingly. Win Win situation

Good idea. If that conversation had been going any worse for you, you'd have wound in up your basement with a dead wife and a very nervous dog.

OK, I'll admit that made me snort

My greatest teacher is Muslim, I'm Christian, you can't tar an entire group because of the actions of the radicals. I don't like what radical evangelistic Christians are doing either, they are just as dangerous if given any power. It's a people problem the world over, every group has good and bad actors, we all need to work on our communities and families because that is our real chance at a better change.

The radicals in a given group are, generally, the minority of that group. As long as the majority of the given group sit quietly at the side while their minority is doing its thing I'm going to take that as meaning the majority approves of what the minority is doing and I'll continue to tar the entire group.

Really varies from person to person. Even within the same religion and role. Look at the attitudes of the different popes. The latest one is the most tolerant and open minded in ages. Unfortunately, every religion will have it's extremists and extremist preachers/priests/ministers/etc will always find a flock of extremist followers.

Why? Because the attacker was bat s**t crazy, sane people don't run into a church and stab someone with a knife. That being said, he could very easily have been crazed about the radical ideology the bishop was preaching and badly affected by it.

Yeah that was the point I was trying to make. The guy is obviously crazy, you don't just stab someone without having *something* wrong. The question is why did he pick that target. And it's possible the attack wasn't random but rather the guy was upset by the bishop's views. Really need to see whether they get more information about the reasoning behind the attack in the next few days/weeks.

God, you're an ignorant bigot. "The wrong side"... really? This man called members of LGBTQ a "crime against God" and that they are committing a crime "harsher than sin". I don't believe in heaven or hell, but if I did, I guarantee you'd have a f*****g front row seat in the hot spot. Enjoy your religion of hate.

Spot on Tamra, there are no "sides", we are all in this together and Jesus came to end the old laws and replace them with "Love one another as I have loved you". His disciples and followers were the rejected and disenfranchised of the time and he did not deny them, not even Judas.