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“They Have The Right To Refuse To Play”: Women’s Volleyball Team Forfeits Match Over Trans Rival
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“They Have The Right To Refuse To Play”: Women’s Volleyball Team Forfeits Match Over Trans Rival

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The University of Nevada, Reno, in the US, has officially forfeited an upcoming women’s volleyball match against San José State University in California, which includes Blaire Fleming, a transgender player on its roster. This comes as Utah State University forfeited a match against San José State for the same reason.

After reports that the University of Nevada, Reno’s Wolf Pack players had voted against facing San José’s Spartans on October 26, the university affirmed the decision.

In an official statement, the Nevadan academic establishment noted: “The players’ decision and statement were made independently and without consultation with the University or the athletic department. 

“The players’ decision also does not represent the position of the University.”

The University of Nevada, Reno, in the US, has officially forfeited an upcoming women’s volleyball match 

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The statement continued: “The University and its athletic programs are governed by the Nevada Constitution and Nevada law, which strictly protect equality of rights under the law, and that equality of rights shall not be denied or abridged by this state or any of its subdivisions on account of race, color, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability, ancestry or national origin. 

“The University is also governed by federal law as well as the rules and regulations of the [National Collegiate Athletic Association] and the Mountain West Conference, which include providing competition in an inclusive and supportive environment.

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“The University intends to move forward with the match as scheduled, and the players may choose not to participate in the match on the day of the contest. 

“No players will be subject to any team disciplinary action for their decision not to participate in the match.”

Unlike other universities that have forfeited matches against the Spartans, the Wolf Pack will not be forfeiting before players step onto the court, Fox News reported on Monday (October 14).

The team told OutKick on Monday: “We, the University of Nevada Reno women’s volleyball team, forfeit against San Jose State University and stand united in solidarity with the volleyball teams of Southern Utah University, Boise State University, the University of Wyoming, and Utah State University.

“We demand that our right to safety and fair competition on the court be upheld. We refuse to participate in any match that advances injustice against female athletes.” 

Sia Liilii, a senior in the Wolf Pack, further revealed: “We were actually in Las Vegas preparing for our match against UNLV, our in-state rival.

“It was a really frustrating time, especially because we were about to go and play a big game.”

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The university forfeited its match against San José State University in California

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Utah State University has already forfeited a match against San José State, prompting a lawsuit filed against Blaire.

Blaire is a senior participating in her third season on San José’s roster. As per the lawsuit, she violated a law that prohibits transgender players from competing in women’s sports, Bored Panda previously reported.

Several US states have laws that prohibit transgender athletes from competing in women’s sports. 

These laws aim to restrict participation based on biological sex rather than gender identity, primarily to address concerns about fairness and competitive balance, Christian website The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission explains.

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Florida, Utah, and Idaho have implemented such bans, which cover high school and collegiate sports. 

“Utah State University will not participate in its scheduled October 23, 2024, volleyball match at San Jose State University,” Utah State said in a statement earlier this month. “The University will abide by Mountain West Conference policy regarding how this match is recorded.”

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Southern Utah, Boise State, and the University of Wyoming have all already forfeited games against San José.

Advocacy groups have denounced the decisions to cancel scheduled volleyball games based on Blaire’s gender identity.

The team’s decision was prompted by Blaire Fleming, a transgender player on San José’s roster

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Tom Temprano, of LGBTQ+ rights group Equality California, told the East Bay Times earlier this month that the controversy is “rooted in transphobia not reality.”

He further stated that only about 1.6% of all collegiate athletes identify as transgender and that rules are in place to level the playing field. 

Tom continued: “A very vocal group of extremists has really been able to gin up an unreasonable amount of hatred and concern. 

“But the reality is that this just is not a widespread problem.”

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The debate over whether trans women should compete in women’s sports has divided the scientific community.

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While some researchers have emphasized fairness in competition due to the potential physical advantages of male puberty, others have highlighted the importance of inclusion and argued that hormone therapy mitigates such advantages. 

Joanna Harper, a sports scientist who identifies as a transgender woman, explained that transgender women’s advantages in sports were not necessarily unfair.

She pointed to left-handed athletes, who have advantages over right-handed athletes in many sports. 

This comes as Utah State University forfeited a match against San José State for the same reason

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“It is perhaps most marked in fencing where 40% of elite fencers are left-handed versus 10% of the population is left-handed,” the scientist told the BBC in 2022.

Consequently, the question shouldn’t be, “Do trans women have advantages?” but rather, “Can trans women and women compete against one another in meaningful competition?” according to Joanna.

She explained: “Trans women can have disadvantages because their larger frames are now being powered by reduced muscle mass and reduced aerobic capacity, but that’s not as obvious as the advantages of simply being bigger.

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“Yes, it’s true that competition can often come down to a very small margin, but there are, in any competition, many factors that come into overall performance and just saying that ‘oh, somebody has an advantage’ in one factor doesn’t necessarily determine the outcome.”

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As per Ross Tucker, a sports scientist, the physiological differences established during puberty can create “significant performance advantages (between men and women).”

He told the BBC: “When boys reach the age of 13-14, things start to change physically and we see increased muscle mass, bone density; [it] changes the shape of the skeleton, changes the heart and the lung, hemoglobin levels, and all of those things are significant contributors to performance.

“Lowering the testosterone has some effect on those systems, but it’s not complete, and so for the most part, whatever the biological differences are that were created by testosterone persist even in the presence of testosterone reduction – or, if I put that differently, even after testosterone levels are lowered.

“It leaves behind a significant portion of what gives males sporting performance advantages over females.”

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Bored Panda has contacted Blaire for comment.

“I believe teams have no business forfeiting matches based on someone’s identity,” a reader commented

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Savahax
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

CeCe Telfer ranked 390th in the men’s hurdles, transitioned and became womens champion. Hailey Davidson won a womens gold tournament after failing as a man. Veronica Ivy won 2 womens world titles in cycling. Mary Gregory decided to transition, entered womens power lifting competitions and broke 4 world titles. Laurel Hubbard too, won several gold titles. I know several more but the worst one is Fallon Fox. Had the "snip" and entered womens MMA. Broke a womans skull and then he bragged about it too

Savahax
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh Mary Gregory was stripped of his titles briefly afterwards - - - https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/16/stripped-womens-records-transgender-powerlifter-asks-where-do-we-draw-line/

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François Bouzigues
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I played volleyball for many years at a low competitive level. We would randomly train with the girls. But the golden rule was that under no circonstance, we would spike or serve at full strength. The net being 12 cm lower for women just makes it very easy to hurt someone. Regarding the injury risk, it is sadly real. There is the sad story of Payton McNabb, who suffers impaired vision, partial paralysis on the right side of her body, constant headaches, anxiety and depression after a powerful spike from a transgender opponent that caused her a concussion. It is the only concussion caused by a spike i ever heard of. It is not at all a common occurence. When you play volley, a broken wrist or a twisted ankle is part of the risks. Head trauma, not so much. I will stand with The University of Nevada on this one.

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sturmwesen
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does this include adults that never went through male puberty? I think it's not that easy. Yes there is a disadvantage in many cases but it's not just black and white. Note: I don't say they should or should not be allowed, just that it's a case of eitherway many lose.

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PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Trans women should be able to live without fear and be happy and safe. However people born male should not be in women's sports. I'm sorry to anyone that offends but biology is immutable and women's should not have to negate their rights and spaces.

Sam
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I fully agree. There should be different categories, such as biologically female, biologically male, trans male, and trans female. That way they can play against their own strengths.

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SadieCat17 (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's always amazing to me how the loudest preachers of women's rights only advocate for the women they decide deserve protection :D

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John Harrison
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh look, the folks who are making reasonable, level-headed arguments against trans women playing women's sports are once again being knee-jerk labelled as transphobes. Like I said in the last feature about this topic, if there's one thing we know about this issue, it's that you can't fairly discuss it in the BP comments section.

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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can’t believe we’re still having this conversation. Did NO ONE take basic biology? Identity may not reflect reality. If this was an episode of NCIS and we were identifying victims by their by their remains - XX and XY, pelvis type, skull characteristics etc. This precludes strength due to testosterone, fast twitch muscle fibers and many, many other differences in the sexes. But the important thing is how they feel, what makeup and clothing they wear?! Disagree. Forever. And I like how we’re labeled hateful for bringing things like this up. Nice. You can disagree without hate.

Michael None
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's just ban sports in colleges. Problem solved. College should be about education, not who can throw a ball farthest or run the fastest. I wonder how much cheaper college could be if they didn't spend so much money on sports.

Sven Grammersdorf
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sports generate huge amounts of revenue for colleges. They'd have to charge more for tuition without that money.

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greenideas
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have epilepsy and therefore can't be a pilot, rightly so. Is it discrimination - maybe, but are you willing to put people's lives at risk in the name of "equality"? Would you let me fly your family? I thought not.

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Yes, because volleyball and flying an eff'in plane are the same. Duh.

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RAM31280
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This argument is going to continue until people start a 3rd bracket open to anyone, M, F, FtM, MtF, NonBinary, etc. At least for HS & college people that don't make varsity teams could have an opportunity to still play their preferred sport. There might not be enough enrollment to fill every sports team at every school, but has potential to grow.

WorkAholic1
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I still believe a transgendered person is not fully female. They may look it on the outside, but inside - have they gone through Aunt Flo's monthly visits? Cramps? Dealt with pads, cups, tampons? How can you say you're a woman if you've never gone through that wonderful change from being a girl to a woman? You can't understand what we went through. You can't read a book and say, "Oh, yes, I get it." No, you don't.

KM
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So a biological woman who doesn't menstruate is not a woman in your opinion?

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El Dee
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame on BP for magnifying this 'culture wars' BS. We keep hearing stories like this as though it's an everyday occurrence. In fact 0.54% is the amount who actually identify as transgender. Of those a vanishingly small number will be involved in professional competitive sports. This is a niche 'problem' that applies to *maybe* a couple of dozen people worldwide..

Orysha
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You mean like this team ? https://www.boredpanda.com/spains-first-trans-football-team-debuts-in-male-league/

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TennesseeHomesteadUSA
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seen video of 'her' blasting 80mph spikes at the opposing girls ? The girls don't have that sort of strength...

Kayleen Wilson
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you were born male you shouldnt be allowed to play against women!

Jaya
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A quick google search says that there is no real difference in physical strength between boys and girls up to the age of 11. Puberty is what creates the biggest difference between men and women. So I wonder if when a transwoman starts hormone blockers quite early in puberty, whether she would even have much of an advantage over a ciswoman. So I think it depends a lot on the circumstances: did this athlete medically transition at a later age or did she get hormone blockers a the beginning of puberty and Hormone Replacement Therapy quite young?

SadieCat17 (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The comments on this article are worrying. Over multiple accounts I've been member of this website for 6 years and have seen it slowly decline from a small space of random outcasts that look at silly memes and art to... this. I don't want to be in a space full of people happily misgendering others just because they feel mean. What's even the point of putting this article here if not to drive outrage and engagement?

François Bouzigues
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would not misgender anyone purposely. Yet i maintain my comments about sports. Almost as it was different topics completely.

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Sean Kirkwood
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And why is this a safety issue? Seems like someone is searching for justifications...

Sarah Ellison
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Methinks Nevada believes they will lose to San Jose regardless and are using Blaire as an excuse to forfeit.

BrunoVI
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's why six of Nevada's other conference mates have done the same thing? Maybe if you cared about facts instead of your own bigotry, you'd've found out for yourself that San Jose St (9-3) was better in the standings than Nevada (11-8), which is very mediocre.

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Son of Philosoraptor
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It should be based on your skeleton. "Male" hips and shoulders? Compete with other folks with the same attributes. Otherwise it's not an even playing field. I'm super liberal but Mat Gronkowsi in drag playing for the women's team just wouldn't be fair. Neither for sincere transexuals, because their skeleton and its advantages or disadvantages doesn't change.

Grazina Strolia
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The strongest woman is stronger than the average man. There are so many variations in people, individual to individual, that it's hard to say "ALL transgender athletes have advantages" or even "any advantage a transgender athlete has is due to their being transgender". Everyone should be able to play sports and enjoy it. What to do? Create a system like there is in horse racing, of allowances and handicaps, to make everyone's ability even?

PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This hypothesis has been tested, here is one of many studies "Results indicate that untrained men have greater upper and lower body strength than trained women athletes in terms of both absolute and relative strength" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7253873/

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Sean Kirkwood
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone is searching for a justification. This is not a safety issue.

Yort
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just don't get how one single transgender person on a team is unfair, especially considering how enormous and terrifying bio female athletes can be. I mean I think Venus or Serena Williams would kick Caitlyn Jenner's butt at any sport even when Caitlyn was still in her prime. Do people think Laverne C*x is somehow going to singlehandedly destroy a volleyball team?

PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This theory has already been tested. Braasch was ranked 203rd in the world and still beat Venus and Serena back to back.

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PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

JFC you're telling someone to kill themselves because you disagree with them? Grow up and do better

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J. Maxx
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How come none of the transphobes complain about FTM athletes?

PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In what context are you referring to though? In the case of someone FTM competing in the woman's sports they are not allowed to use HRT and remain biologically female. If they are competing in the men's category they are at a huge disadvantage (eg. The US ladies world cup team losing to under 15 year old boys. Fenix FC a FTM football team joining the men's league and losing 19-0. Serena and Venus williams losing back to back to a man ranked 203rd). No one complains about FTM athletes because they aren't competing with an unfair advantage.

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Savahax
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

CeCe Telfer ranked 390th in the men’s hurdles, transitioned and became womens champion. Hailey Davidson won a womens gold tournament after failing as a man. Veronica Ivy won 2 womens world titles in cycling. Mary Gregory decided to transition, entered womens power lifting competitions and broke 4 world titles. Laurel Hubbard too, won several gold titles. I know several more but the worst one is Fallon Fox. Had the "snip" and entered womens MMA. Broke a womans skull and then he bragged about it too

Savahax
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh Mary Gregory was stripped of his titles briefly afterwards - - - https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/16/stripped-womens-records-transgender-powerlifter-asks-where-do-we-draw-line/

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François Bouzigues
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I played volleyball for many years at a low competitive level. We would randomly train with the girls. But the golden rule was that under no circonstance, we would spike or serve at full strength. The net being 12 cm lower for women just makes it very easy to hurt someone. Regarding the injury risk, it is sadly real. There is the sad story of Payton McNabb, who suffers impaired vision, partial paralysis on the right side of her body, constant headaches, anxiety and depression after a powerful spike from a transgender opponent that caused her a concussion. It is the only concussion caused by a spike i ever heard of. It is not at all a common occurence. When you play volley, a broken wrist or a twisted ankle is part of the risks. Head trauma, not so much. I will stand with The University of Nevada on this one.

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sturmwesen
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does this include adults that never went through male puberty? I think it's not that easy. Yes there is a disadvantage in many cases but it's not just black and white. Note: I don't say they should or should not be allowed, just that it's a case of eitherway many lose.

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PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Trans women should be able to live without fear and be happy and safe. However people born male should not be in women's sports. I'm sorry to anyone that offends but biology is immutable and women's should not have to negate their rights and spaces.

Sam
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I fully agree. There should be different categories, such as biologically female, biologically male, trans male, and trans female. That way they can play against their own strengths.

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Papa
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SadieCat17 (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's always amazing to me how the loudest preachers of women's rights only advocate for the women they decide deserve protection :D

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John Harrison
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh look, the folks who are making reasonable, level-headed arguments against trans women playing women's sports are once again being knee-jerk labelled as transphobes. Like I said in the last feature about this topic, if there's one thing we know about this issue, it's that you can't fairly discuss it in the BP comments section.

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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can’t believe we’re still having this conversation. Did NO ONE take basic biology? Identity may not reflect reality. If this was an episode of NCIS and we were identifying victims by their by their remains - XX and XY, pelvis type, skull characteristics etc. This precludes strength due to testosterone, fast twitch muscle fibers and many, many other differences in the sexes. But the important thing is how they feel, what makeup and clothing they wear?! Disagree. Forever. And I like how we’re labeled hateful for bringing things like this up. Nice. You can disagree without hate.

Michael None
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's just ban sports in colleges. Problem solved. College should be about education, not who can throw a ball farthest or run the fastest. I wonder how much cheaper college could be if they didn't spend so much money on sports.

Sven Grammersdorf
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sports generate huge amounts of revenue for colleges. They'd have to charge more for tuition without that money.

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greenideas
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have epilepsy and therefore can't be a pilot, rightly so. Is it discrimination - maybe, but are you willing to put people's lives at risk in the name of "equality"? Would you let me fly your family? I thought not.

J. Maxx
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Yes, because volleyball and flying an eff'in plane are the same. Duh.

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RAM31280
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This argument is going to continue until people start a 3rd bracket open to anyone, M, F, FtM, MtF, NonBinary, etc. At least for HS & college people that don't make varsity teams could have an opportunity to still play their preferred sport. There might not be enough enrollment to fill every sports team at every school, but has potential to grow.

WorkAholic1
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I still believe a transgendered person is not fully female. They may look it on the outside, but inside - have they gone through Aunt Flo's monthly visits? Cramps? Dealt with pads, cups, tampons? How can you say you're a woman if you've never gone through that wonderful change from being a girl to a woman? You can't understand what we went through. You can't read a book and say, "Oh, yes, I get it." No, you don't.

KM
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So a biological woman who doesn't menstruate is not a woman in your opinion?

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William Teach
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El Dee
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame on BP for magnifying this 'culture wars' BS. We keep hearing stories like this as though it's an everyday occurrence. In fact 0.54% is the amount who actually identify as transgender. Of those a vanishingly small number will be involved in professional competitive sports. This is a niche 'problem' that applies to *maybe* a couple of dozen people worldwide..

Orysha
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You mean like this team ? https://www.boredpanda.com/spains-first-trans-football-team-debuts-in-male-league/

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TennesseeHomesteadUSA
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seen video of 'her' blasting 80mph spikes at the opposing girls ? The girls don't have that sort of strength...

Kayleen Wilson
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you were born male you shouldnt be allowed to play against women!

Jaya
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A quick google search says that there is no real difference in physical strength between boys and girls up to the age of 11. Puberty is what creates the biggest difference between men and women. So I wonder if when a transwoman starts hormone blockers quite early in puberty, whether she would even have much of an advantage over a ciswoman. So I think it depends a lot on the circumstances: did this athlete medically transition at a later age or did she get hormone blockers a the beginning of puberty and Hormone Replacement Therapy quite young?

SadieCat17 (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The comments on this article are worrying. Over multiple accounts I've been member of this website for 6 years and have seen it slowly decline from a small space of random outcasts that look at silly memes and art to... this. I don't want to be in a space full of people happily misgendering others just because they feel mean. What's even the point of putting this article here if not to drive outrage and engagement?

François Bouzigues
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would not misgender anyone purposely. Yet i maintain my comments about sports. Almost as it was different topics completely.

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Sean Kirkwood
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And why is this a safety issue? Seems like someone is searching for justifications...

Sarah Ellison
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Methinks Nevada believes they will lose to San Jose regardless and are using Blaire as an excuse to forfeit.

BrunoVI
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's why six of Nevada's other conference mates have done the same thing? Maybe if you cared about facts instead of your own bigotry, you'd've found out for yourself that San Jose St (9-3) was better in the standings than Nevada (11-8), which is very mediocre.

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Son of Philosoraptor
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It should be based on your skeleton. "Male" hips and shoulders? Compete with other folks with the same attributes. Otherwise it's not an even playing field. I'm super liberal but Mat Gronkowsi in drag playing for the women's team just wouldn't be fair. Neither for sincere transexuals, because their skeleton and its advantages or disadvantages doesn't change.

Grazina Strolia
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The strongest woman is stronger than the average man. There are so many variations in people, individual to individual, that it's hard to say "ALL transgender athletes have advantages" or even "any advantage a transgender athlete has is due to their being transgender". Everyone should be able to play sports and enjoy it. What to do? Create a system like there is in horse racing, of allowances and handicaps, to make everyone's ability even?

PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This hypothesis has been tested, here is one of many studies "Results indicate that untrained men have greater upper and lower body strength than trained women athletes in terms of both absolute and relative strength" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7253873/

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Sean Kirkwood
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone is searching for a justification. This is not a safety issue.

Yort
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just don't get how one single transgender person on a team is unfair, especially considering how enormous and terrifying bio female athletes can be. I mean I think Venus or Serena Williams would kick Caitlyn Jenner's butt at any sport even when Caitlyn was still in her prime. Do people think Laverne C*x is somehow going to singlehandedly destroy a volleyball team?

PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This theory has already been tested. Braasch was ranked 203rd in the world and still beat Venus and Serena back to back.

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PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

JFC you're telling someone to kill themselves because you disagree with them? Grow up and do better

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J. Maxx
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How come none of the transphobes complain about FTM athletes?

PatriciaB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In what context are you referring to though? In the case of someone FTM competing in the woman's sports they are not allowed to use HRT and remain biologically female. If they are competing in the men's category they are at a huge disadvantage (eg. The US ladies world cup team losing to under 15 year old boys. Fenix FC a FTM football team joining the men's league and losing 19-0. Serena and Venus williams losing back to back to a man ranked 203rd). No one complains about FTM athletes because they aren't competing with an unfair advantage.

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