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Family Plans Fall Apart Over Neighbor’s Stubbornness, They Don’t See Any Issue
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Family Plans Fall Apart Over Neighbor’s Stubbornness, They Don’t See Any Issue

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Owning a piece of land in a remote location sounds like a dream to many. For them, few things are better than getting to enjoy the starry skies and sounds of nature instead of light pollution and sounds of traffic.

For this redditor, a quiet remote location seemed like the more attractive option, too. That’s why they purchased two lots and made it into one large piece of land, so they have plenty of space. But soon enough the neighbors came asking to use said space, to which the landowner said no – a decision that split the netizens into camps. Scroll down to find the full story below.

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    This landowner bought a huge piece of land so they had loads of space, which they weren’t willing to let their neighbors use

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    Lately, quite a few people seem to be showing an interest in living in a rural area

    Even though the trend over the last decades has been people leaving rural areas for cities, recent statistics show that there has been a spike of interest in rural life that started in 2020. Likely largely affected by the Covid-imposed lockdowns, quite a few people decided to change scenery for one a bit more tranquil than what the city has to offer.

    A Gallup’s poll found that by the end of 2020, close to half (48%) of Americans said they’d like to live in a town or a rural area, rather than a city or a suburb, if they could choose to live anywhere. Back in 2018, only 39% would have opted for one of the former two.

    According to Gallup, those already living in a rural area or a town are very unlikely to move into the city, as only 12% of respondents said they would prefer the latter. However, out of those living in the city, 30% would prefer to change places with residents of quieter locations.

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    People want their neighbors to be quiet and peaceful, and respect their parking space, too

    In the comments under the post, the OP shared that they, too, switched from living in a major city—where they spent the first 30 years of their life—to a place “in the middle of nowhere, where they can hear bugs and birds, and see stars and not have to listen to people yelling.”

    But it seems that it’s not only people in rural areas that share the same sentiments regarding people yelling. According to a survey carried out in the UK, the thing people want more than anything else, in regards to their neighbors, is for them to be quiet and peaceful. (And the survey wasn’t seemingly based on the views of those living in rural areas only.)

    They also want someone who’s friendly and chatty, and—almost nearly as importantly—they want someone who respects an individual’s parking space. The neighbors in the redditor’s story were clearly respectful enough to ask their fellow resident to let them use their property for parking; they even offered to pay for it and fix any damages, were their cars to cause any. But their arguments couldn’t make the redditor change their stance, which redditors seemed to have different opinions on.

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    Fellow redditors shared varying opinions in the comments

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    GettingCereal
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gentle reminder that you can be within your rights to do something and still be an a*****e. A driveway they aren't using on the other end of the property and from what I understand they can't even really see? Make them sign an agreement that you're not liable for any injuries and that they'll repair any damages and let them park there.

    Michael MacKinnon
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The one caveat is that liability waivers aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

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    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She proved her point about the grass being torn up though. It's her land, her decision and the neighbours are just being AH now on doubling down. They've always had parking issues but now that someone owns bigger land, they are EXPECTED to host a bunch of cars not even related to her? Nah. Doesn't matter what time of year it is - you don't expect other people to resolve known issues - like parking.

    Pittsburgh rare
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sure, you don't have to solve anyone's issues... until you have an issue and guess what? They don't have to solve yours either. I hope you're all millionaires who can go without any favours from anyone, because you're setting yourselves for a big karma slap.

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    BookFanatic
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly, I just got stuck on "since the Panini started." I mean, I know it's "pandemic" but I keep imaging Killer Paninis or something.

    clairebear
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Plant some trees. If she says yes then neighbours are always going to park there. Forever. And it is hard to go back to no once you have said yes and they start taking the p**s.

    Fire Singer
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    See that's the reason I say NTA. Because most often if you let someone do something once they'll continue to expect it and eventually it will become a major issue. Do I think OP could have let them park, yes. But did they have to? No absolutely not. I come from a large family and if we are going somewhere with limited parking we carpool or figure out street parking or something. We never make it someone else's problem. And if a neighbor wants to park several cars on your property get a parking contract created and signed immediately to avoid any potential liability issues or future issues with them wanting to park when it's not allowed.

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    Daniela Lavanza
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love how the YTA answers include « your place, your rule » only to say afterwards that well, it’s not really her place as she SHOULD accept. As others have underlined, if she accepts today, they’ll ask again later and won’t understand if she suddenly say no. However she decides to use her land - and having space to be left in peace is a good one - it’s up to her, full stop. Neighbors may ask, but them not accepting her refusal makes me suspicious that that are not the respectable people they claim to be. Them asking before doing it was probably more to avoid trouble that out of real respect.

    Bigcaol
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The question is am I the a*****e. Not am I justifiable. So the answer is yes they are an a*****e. You can do many things correctly and justifiably and still be an a*****e. I also want to point out that OP mentions that in 7 months nobody contacted them. They are almost lamenting this fact it sounds so whiney. It sounds to me like in 7 months they were respecting their right to privacy that she is so staunch about keeping. So which is it? Are you butt hurt that they didn't acknowledge you in 7 months? Or were they actually being good neighbors and leaving you alone?

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    S. R.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because OP was offered money, she wasn't obligated to accept. Just imagine somebody slipping and hurting themselves on OPs property. Who would be liable? OP of course. Neighbourly gestures cannot prevent liability claims

    LuckyTanuki
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So write up a fkn contract. It's not hard to avoid that BS so don't even try to make stupid justifications like that. Op just wanted to be an AH, simple as that. Doesn't matter if they were justified, at the end of the day, yes, they are the AH.

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    WonderWoman
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In litigious society, I would refrain from allowing anyone onto my property. All you need is one person to say there was a defect in your property that caused them injury and you are literally screwed. Your homeowners insurance will pay, if warranted, but, your rates will double or worse, they will not renew AND they will blackball you in the industry, so that you can not get coverage for a decent price, ever again. This is worse, if OP took money, then they are operating a business without license. and that can cause the homeowners insurance to deny coverage AT ALL. If the people are close to you and are friends, then MAYBE, otherwise, not a chance in hades. People today are always looking to make a buck off of someone else.

    𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐦-𝐏𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to mention the risk of theft or damage to the cars themselves. A large number of cars just parked on a back acre of nowhere might attract trouble. And who would be liable? The property owner. Or are they expected to sit out on there and guard to make sure nothing happens while on their property? No. Just no.

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    Rahul Pawa
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not sure why it's not possible for relatives to park a bit farther away and walk. The elderly ones can get dropped off, or pay a couple teenagers in the family to be valets.

    Mandi T.
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm going to be devil's advocate here and say NTA. I too bought land so I don't have to deal with close neighbors and I'd resent having my privacy invaded. Lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on mine. Its not lack of empathy, compassion, kindness, or whatever else. It's valuing what's yours. And I value my privacy and quiet more than interacting with people I have no desire to know. In 7 months they clearly weren't interested in introducing themselves or welcoming the new member. Until they wanted something that is. Firm NTA.

    UncleJohn3000
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why couldn't they park on near by side streets? OP's land wasn't the only option, just the closest one.

    35 cabbages in a trenchcoat
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is a huuuuuuge AH here. Obviously he doesn't have to let people onto the edge of his property, but wow. Hope he never needs anything from anyone, ever, because he gives NOTHING. Seems like he's riding the high of just getting his land.

    Storms Thief
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People complain that no one knows their neighbors anymore and OP is the reason why. Why would I ever go out of my way for OP. I have a neighbor who just left will helped us repair it have, and I made him a huge batch of cookies and agreed to day sit for a week. It's all a give and take. It's what being a community is

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pretty sure they bought extra land to not have to go out of their way for the neighbors.

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    Dagnirath
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm going to go against the grain and say ESH on this one. OP is right that it's their property to do with as they will (or not), but it wouldn't have killed them to help out a neighbor in need. On the other side, the neighbors aren't entitled to use OP's property just because they need it. Plus the fact that they didn't introduce themselves until they needed something. If you want help from your neighbors you need to be neighborly first.

    Bette
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel as if something is missing from the narrative. Is the author determined just to be isolated from others or just a nasty neighbor? From his own description, it sounds as if he not only craves isolation but also is determined to be unpleasant as well. How unfortunate since he does not live in a deserted island by himself!

    Josh Gilland
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One it's a woman and two she sounds wonderful. Soundsike omeone who enjoys nature, peace and comfort, wants a simple life. People just like to view people who don't bend over from them as a******s. I'm a proud a*****e and I'm called it cuz I don't bend to people's wants. I laugh cuz the vast majority of times I'm called an a*****e the person does the same thing. People love calling the kettle black when they're a soot covered pot.

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    Robert T
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's one bread of problem. Perhaps you could sandwich them in. ;-)

    PEGGY Colombo
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have wonderful neighbors who have helped me out when I needed it even before I met them. After we bought our house but before we moved in a large piece of furniture was delivered 2 weeks earlier than it was scheduled. We were out of state and had no way of securing it. We asked our realtor if he could pick it up but he was also unavailable. A week later when we showed up at our new home the neighbor came over immediately and said, I have a large package of yours I will bring it right over. He brought it as well as take out menus for the local restaurants. We have helped them with things and they have helped us with other things. Make friends with your neighbors, it is well worth it.

    Tara Twothumbs
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the YTA’s surprised me after all, it is her land. Entitled people think it’s okay to park on someone else’s land even when compensation is offered.

    PunchinelloTX
    Community Member
    Premium
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m more concerned about the Panini. What has this sandwich started doing to the man or vice versa? (I know it’s a typo, but I like the idea of a giant sandwich terrorizing this grouch.)

    Joe Bloe
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I find it funny the way he repeat none of his neighbours interacted with him before, right after he proudly says he don't want any interaction with anyone... That's why Sherlock, that's why nobody interacted with you. You use this to shame them and justify your sociopathy.

    Pyla
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am with him. When the Panini started, I was just about the sandwich.

    Suzie
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think two days of the year is a big deal to allow the neighbors to use his otherwise unused driveway.

    Seedy Vine
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, OP. People can choose to have large families OR lots of space. They made their choice and you made yours.

    Rob Letterly
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    if it's such a big deal, tear out the driveway, put up a fence, and be an a-hole behind your fence

    arthbach
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In this situation, I would offer to sell part of the land to the people who have small gardens and little parking. I'd have 17 acres of land, and an easily afford to make it 16 instead. This would be more than enough to ensure my privacy. Sell them a strip of land, have them pay the fees, and erect a fence and plant trees along side the fence.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But they bought 17 acres to have 17 acres not sell some off to people who don't know how to plan properly.

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    Moonchild
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really don't see why everyone is getting mad at op. It's her property and she doesn't want it used as a parking lot. Her wishes for HER land should be respected.

    Keith Handly (Ike)
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This has been turned into a trolley problem, but it's not. Seriously, carpools exist. If they can't manage that then likely whatever arguments they would (apparently, absolutely need to) have would spill harmfully over onto the OP's land. This has legal liability and environmental destruction written all over it. Subjecting your neighbor's land's flora and fauna to harm and your neighbor to lawsuits by idiots is an YTFA thing.

    Katherine Smith
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People keep saying that OP should let them park there this one time to build neighborly relations, but they've now asked twice and I can just see this becoming a regular thing of the neighbors having a gathering and expecting the OP to host all the overflow parking every time. So I think they're perfectly within their rights to say no. NTA

    GA Chic
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA!!!!!! Just the liability alone is enough to make it a HARD NO! Plus their lawn has already been trashed and not repaired - I seriously doubt they would repair your property if damage occurred. You are not responsible for an unknown person's happiness. They chose to live on a tiny plot of land - this situation was due to their choices/decisions. Words and actions have consequences. They created this scenario. Hopefully they will soon move far far away and never blame others for their mistakes. Post NO TRESSPassing signs!!

    Rose
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Completely within your rights, but I would worry about if something would happen to you one day and no one in your neighborhood cared. Wouldn't you want them to look out for you, call the police if there's a break in? Even just kindly explaining your concerns about being sued if something happened as your reason, that might later influence influence their decisions if you needed unexpected help.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From the sound of it even if they were friendly with their neighbors their house is secluded to the point where nobody would even hear them scream.

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    Vira
    Community Member
    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh... I'm actually torn on this one. I wouldn't have any issues sharing with people I know, but I would worry about being sued. Not everyone's relatives are good people. The situation would get much much worse if someone suddenly thought they could get rich quick by falling on the property. Even if the case were dismissed, it's a huge problem. I guess I have to go with: saying "No," isn't mean, no matter how much the other person is sad. So NTA

    Stephen Lyford
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely NTA. His land, he can do what he wants with it. It wasn't personal, he didn't dislike those neighbors, it wasn't out of retribution, he owns the land and he controls it. The neighbors tried to bite off more than they could chew with holiday plans, and tried to gaslight the OP into capitulating. Would I do something different? Maybe. But that's me, not the OP.

    Josh Gilland
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's a difference between a neighbor and someone who lives in the neighborhood. A neighbor is someone you connect with, if you have no connection they just live in the neighborhood. These aren't neighbors, that's a more rare thing, like a lot of relationships, they just live on the same street. Neighbors would have interacted by now. A first interaction to request something isn't neighborly, it's selfish. An actual neighbor, definitely rural ones would have introduced themselves within the first week. The result of this interaction was due to both chosing to isolate from the other locals, ones okay with it, other not so that one should have made a connection.

    Lacey Waters
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm strongly NTA on this one. We once allowed some people to use part of our property and the agreement was for one night, and they had to sign a waiver that we weren't responsible for accident or injuries. This was about a decade ago. After that it became apparent that they're using our property any time they want. We've had to clean up giant messes, once had to pick up literally thousands of those plastic party favors, and in the last few years have had to deal with people hunting/poaching which is dangerous because my family uses those woods and trails. Give people an inch and they'll take a mile.

    Gerald Sturm
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She has the right to refuse. It's the OPs property. They say no, end of story. Does6matter if the neighbors are nice or not. No means no. There are potential liability issues. I can sympathize with OP. I enjoy my privacy as well. I enjoy being left alone. I've dealt with toxic neighbors. Though, if I was offered the right price, I'd probably the offer.

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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If something happens to one of the guests on OP's land, it's OP's problem and potentially insurance. Absolutely no way would I open myself up to possible legal issues because someone doesn't know how to plan carpools for celebrations. All those YTA comments are extremely out to lunch lol OP is definitely NTA. 'No' is a complete sentence requiring no reason whatsoever. It's OP's land. Period.

    Marian Fitzpatrick
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP says that she bought 2 lots and made them into one lot. This means that the neighbor had the same opportunity to buy one of the vacant lots for their own use and chose not to do so. I'm sure this isn't the first time they've had parking issues. Where were they parking before? OP is NOT the AH and doesn't owe anybody an explanation

    Julia French
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    my guess is the 'OP lived only in appartments or condo in the big bad city before & has no clue about the culture they moved into. Wake up! it's time to learn

    𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐦-𝐏𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You know what? I'd refuse based on the potential liability alone. And no, I shouldn't be obligated to explain my reasoning to them. (Why? So they can try to talk me out of it?) No is a complete sentence. And if not wanting the liability or responsibility for strangers' safety and the security of their vehicles while on my property makes me an a-hole, so be it. At least I'll be an a-hole that isn't getting sued.

    Beth Gietl
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I say she is within her rights. And I agree that once she says yes, the neighbors will see it as an open invitation. They can still be neighborly, and if their relationship is hinged on this one thing, then best not to have it.

    Scott Rackley
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When all the YTAs pay his property taxes, then they can have an opinion. Otherwise, p**s off.

    brittany
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    nta. not everyone wants to be neighborly or interact with people. they have every right t deny people access to their land. its theirs.

    Joss
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These neighbors are so unimaginative that they can't come up with a solution after asking the neighbor doesn't work and have to disinvite people? Designate a parking place and shuttle them in or have them carpool...park the household's cars elsewhere and allow the guests to use those spaces. There are plenty of solutions they could have employed. Wanting to use someone else's things and then giving up is silly and further asking to use their things once you've shown how that very activity ruins your own things....it doesn't sound like OP was rude about it at all, just declined to let people use their stuff, which I don't see a problem with. It's not being unneighborly to politely decline a request or enforce your boundaries.

    Spittnimage
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Put a fence around it, that way no worries about neighbors asking.

    Sunny Day
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just wait until there's a big snow storm & neighbors pitch in to rent a plow.... And wave at OP with his shovel as they drive past.

    MR
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. 7 months and you haven't needed something. But if/when you go out and your house is on fire or burglarized, don't expect them to lift a finger to help you. It's fine to keep neighbors at an arm's distance. But this was a politie and benign request. And while it won't pay off immediately beyond the payment, in a few years that politeness will eventually pay off.

    H. B. Nielsen
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh absolutely. The neighbors won't be calling the police if they witness a break in. Right or wrong that's the outcome.

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    TribbleThinking
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are entitled to ask, and you are entitled to say no. They should stop being so fixated on their desired solution and open their eyes to some self sufficient solutions, such as a grass reinforcement mesh, available in square modules that are easily moved. It sounds like they'll use them multiple times over the next decade, so it would be a sensible investment that will stop them lusting after their neighbours' driveways.

    Bored Panda
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    Great suggestion regarding sustainable solutions! Grass reinforcement mesh sounds like a viable option. 🍃

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    Tony Zecco
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand a lot of the commenters' insistence on "putting the land to use". Why does the land NEED tobe in use? He bought it as a buffer to the noise of the surrounding environment and to provide solitude. That's enough use. He's well within his right to not want to use it for more, and it shouldn't NEED to be used for more. I'm with OP. I wouldn't want people traipsing in my land and parking cars and possibly damaging it either. I'd say no. Being friendly with neighbors is not something that's high on my list of things to do.

    Craig Reynolds
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, but what is with all the YTA people saying she is because she won't let neighbors park vehicles on her property? They are the same entitled type of people who would expect her to lend a neighbor one of her vehicles if she had two. It's private property, not communal property. It irks me when people think they are entitled to other people's stuff. Where do they get that mindset? I grow a large vegetable garden yearly, and I used to give some of the abundance away to neighbors. That all changed when two of my neighbors became entitled and started coming onto my property to help themselves to my garden. When I told them they were not allowed on my property to help themselves, they called me a greedy AH because I had more than I could consume myself, and I should understand how expensive organic produce had become! How is that my problem? Within a month, I had my yard fenced in, and those neighbors never received anything again. I still give excess away, just not to those two.

    Red Skye
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, No is a sentence. your land, your choice, on the legal side if one of their cars was damaged or someone was injured on your land you might be sued, because you permitted them to be there, in return for money, the insurance company will tell you, your choice, your responsivity. Next, it ripped up their lawn, as it that won't happen to yours too. if the neighbor wants them to come she can direct them to LEGAL parking solutions, and pick them up from there and it would probably be cheaper, and if something happened to their car, the legal car-park would be liable and more able to pay for damages. and then there's the let them do it once, and they'll just turn around and take it as permission to do it any damned time they feel like it factor, it happens more often or not. as for all these YTA people, if they were in your shoes for real, I bet they wouldn't be oh so generous with the neighbor's or willing to take the financial hit if some damage to a car/injury to a person happened.

    Lynda Redpath-Bergman
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a miserable person the "landowner" is. No doubt will be complaining about any noise the neighbours might make by enjoying a family gathering!

    Charlie Haase
    Community Member
    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, it's your land and you can do with it as you please. But still YTA. YOu say, "I don't need to be neighborly." Hell, no one *needs* to be neighborly. People do it because we're not all d***s.

    Ann Oldfield
    Community Member
    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would build a wall around the whole property. He bought the land to keep neighbours away

    Caro Doughty
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    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People are so double standards and I'm so sick of that. All you talk about respect a let it be but when that "let it be" don't suit you, then it is not ok. The lady has a big yard, means it is hers!! Leave her alone, not because she has it means she needs to borrow it. Now, the first time it was raining and the neighbors ground was a mess so? Let's mess with others place, a simple "I will fix it later, I will pay for the damage" has to be enough, right?. You people need to understand now because you ask nicely others has to borrow you thinks. Respect others decisions and figure out other possibilities without push others to fix your problems

    Savage Susan
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    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Her land, her decision, but what harm would it have done? It’s far enough away she wouldn’t have been bothered.

    Jus
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Leave her alone, she has a right, they just want to use her, no one was interested in making friends with her, they just want to use her. She said NO and it should be enough. If they were friends, I'm sure it would look different. But no one cared. Entitled leeches, that's all

    Donna Grainger
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Personally, I don't know why the op even posted. They came across to me as not caring what anyone else thought to begin with, so why bother? My take on the situation is this. You can enjoy your privacy and still be neighborly by setting boundaries. Limit the days, the time you will allow parking, and even the number of cars. My husband and I had no problem letting our five or six visitors to our previous neighbors, use the side of the lot between us nearest them during major holidays. They were polite and never abused the property or us. The ones we have now, forget it. Can we say rude and entitled?

    M2403
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Ur land, Ur rules. And quite frankly, good on you. They ripped their lawn up n now they want to do the same to urs... As well as that, so what if they say they would fix it if it got bad, you don't know them, they could be liars, And seriously, Ur neighbours poor planning is not your fault, she should have organised earlier or better, knowing parking was limited . Nta.

    Donae Sommerfeld Lugo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTA all the way. I get that it's "your" property but what is the harm? You don't use it, you don't see it, it helps someone out and costs you nothing - in fact, you make money. Just being stubborn for no good reason. Scrooge indeed.

    PizzaGhost24
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not sure why some of the people saying YTA think you HAVE to build this relationship with your neighbors. Every single time I've been friendly towards neighbors, they try to take advantage by either talking me to death or trying to get constant favors. It's not worth it to be nice sometimes! I'm not saying be actively spiteful, but wanting to be left alone isn't a crime.

    Marianne Nielsen
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The law says he is right, but morally he is the a**-hole, big time!

    Ronald
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    PART TWO: We would clear the yards on the block, at no charge. But not theirs. Let them work for trouble the cause

    Don't even
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They bought the land the can do or not do whatever they so choose. Is it neighborly? Obviously not but you don't HAVE to be friends or even friendly with your neighbors. The fact that they wouldn't take no for an answer is the d**k move.

    Kathy Kennedy
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, courtesy will end up out the window. Especially if they have never made any social approaches to you, It'll become ' she said yes once' , before long your second drive would become their secondary parking, put a fence there or take out that drive if you can because otherwise entitlement, especially if you say yes once', on their part will raise it's ugly head, sooner or later it'll be 'she doesn't use it' or ' she'll never know', either way, they'd decide they have the right without your permission all the time. My take from personal experience

    Kelley Baltierra
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the only reason they even interacted with ppl in the first place was to ask for a favor then it had the right to refuse. Maybe if the neighbors had interacted in just a a 'hey how you doing ' kinda back and forth for the few months leading up to the holidays the response would have been better

    Sheryl Kirby
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nta your land you don't to share if you don't want to. I'd feel the same I If I was in your shoes. My husband and I decided to be nice to his sister and family when they had to leave a rental and had no where to go. We let them use our tent and they lived in our front yard through the summer. But I lived to regret our decision. Because of their actions we now have hard feelings and we don't get together anymore. They slept outside but would come inside whenever to use bathroom and to hang out in living room and watch TV. One of their boys couldn't aim when he used bathroom and our bathroom smelled for months after. Even cleaning with bleach. They wrecked the tent and promised to fix but never did. They used our kitchen to cook their meals but didn't clean after themselves. They never helped take out trash or vacuum. Also it's just my husband and I and with 6 more people our power and garbage went up. They never even offered to help with was the addad expenses. We regret doing it.

    Pandroid Rebellion
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's the thing .... OP specifically set themselves up to live a solitary life. They have a right to it. And we all know it won't end with one time. Then it will be 4th of July with fireworks and oh, let's have the family reunion because of that "vacant lot" we can all use....I personally have a really great relationship with my neighbors. And by really great I mean cordial, helpful but honestly somewhat distant. I would probably say yes. We look out for each other and help when we can. But saying No doesn't make OP the AH. This person sounds a little unsocial and guarded. They get to be who they are on their property that they pay for. Even if they do sound kind of miserable and unpleasant.

    Josh Gilland
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can tell the people who've been screwed over and who hasn't. I grew up in the country and parents had agreements like this. Despite all the "oh so kind of you", "such good neighbors, good Christians" our driveway got ruin 5 times by these so called friendly neighbors and never helped out like the old neighbors. Had to get the cops involved. Also my adult life has taught me kindness is not returned just cuz. I'm out about 5k because I choose to help people that swore they'd pay me back. Only one couple is actively paying me back, 2 moved out of town. I've had my car get damaged, ive had plants walked on, I've taped garbage bags to neighbors car doors when they leave their window open, going to have my neighbor say yea I saw your window open, sucks to be you. In the 6 apartments I've lived in only 2 had neighbors that were neighborly. In my first week at this apartment with 16 units, I said hi to everyone and no one said a word. My neighbor's treat our shared lawn like a dump.

    Michael Corliss
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being legally in the right (he is) doesn't preclude someone from being TA (and he is).

    Don't even
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why because they don't want to open themselves up to lawsuits? Because the neighbor refused to take no for an answer? The neighbors need to plan better.

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    Thomas Hunt, Jr.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've had issues with neighbors as well...and not from "new" ones. I'm a farmer and I live in a farming community. I do t mind a tractor or two on the side where a.foeld is, but park a dozen cars and they Will be towed away. We all have a mutual understanding - sometimes the weather gets really bad or there's some sort of crisis. Can park a tractor on the side and do what you have to do. If it's gonna be there a week, clear it with the property owner or arrange someone to pick it up. That said, if there's a party and some idiot and or idiot family (mainly from the city folk that moves in) parks their vehicles on our properties without any respect (even after being told no), then they're gonna regret it. Some of us have been dealing with people like this for the better part of 30 years. We're done taking c**p from idiots. Just because we own land for farming doesn't mean it's a parking lot. Nor does it mean they can drive through our fields and park and mangle our crops.

    Thomas Hunt, Jr.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not all city folk are rude and disrespectful, but we've all had our share. Good way for them to get blacklisted/Blackballed. Especially the ones that come in wanting to "enjoy" country living, only to show up at town meetings and try to change things to better suit them. That's a real good way to tick people off. Well, this topic has stirred up memories and emotions. My apologies for ranting.

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    DrBronxx
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Absolutely 100% within their rights. Absolutely 100% an a*****e.

    Mandie Zimmer
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can always tell who the transplants are.... At some point y'all come on here talking s**t about your neighbors are d***s who refuse to help you out. Well, when you start out with this kind of attitude, you reap what you sow. I often make the joke that when you live in a small community, everyone knows everything about you, even things you don't know about yourself. This is how you get a bad reputation. You will get your peace and quiet, to be sure. But you will also find more doors closed than open to you. Many smaller communities will still offer to give you the shirt off their back, even when you are a d**k to them. Keep it up though and eventually, that help dries up.

    Mike Brown
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    100% NTA and anyone that says otherwise is TA, at no point in time should someone be ostracized for not allowing others to use their property. It's not the OP's fault or responsibility to provide anything for any neighbors. We're I in the same position not only would I say no, I would immediately put up no trespassing signs and a camera, entitled neighbors tend to get vindictive when that don't get their way.

    Danielle L
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that the wife decided to throw a tantrum over property that did not belong to her, really grinds my gears. Sure, yes most people wouldn't probably see it as an issue to let the neighbors use the property. But just like this guy, I value my privacy! It's just another case of someone trying to take things that clearly don't belong to them. And honestly... each holiday happens once a year. So I can totally see her claiming the space that clearly this man doesn't want her on, over and over. If you give a mouse a cookie... Totally NTA Any person who says otherwise clearly does not understand healthy boundaries.

    Reta Murphy
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't let them park there. If someone falls, your fault. Car gets scratched, your fault. Anything get stolen, yep you guessed it. Your fault. You can have them sign a waiver and have a judge throw it out and let the lawsuit continue. Protect yourself.

    Ryan Conant
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I call bs. A neighborhood where one lot is 17 acres and the rest are 1/4 acre?

    M G----no
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. I don't know why ppl keep moving into houses that have no room to park. A new neighborhood was created adjacent to my parents', and cars are everywhere because there is no room for them. No yards, tiny driveways. So cars are everywhere. If you want to be a host, buy a house where you can do so. Were these people welcoming of the person when they moved in on that property? Did they go and introduce themselves and kindly offer to be there if they need anything? Was the first time they went to talk to them to ask a favor? then you can expect friendliness if you didn't offer it first. Nobody owes you anything.

    Col Prettyman
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think people aren't taking into consideration the liability of the landowner should anything happen to a person or property while parking on said property. That landowner risks losing everything. That these people are making this person out to be a pos for protecting themselves is b******t. Yes you can sign a waiver but that waiver doesn't mean jack when there's thousands of dollars in damages or God forbid a death. So no, if I don't know you you can't use my property.

    Joanne Mendonza-Earle
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He is NTA. I don't want people on my land either. I don't associate with my neighbors on purpose. I'm private and reclusive. You give people an inch and they'll take a mile. He gives in just one time and they will turn that part of his land into their own personal parking lot. 'Oh we just bought this RV but have no room in our driveway....would you mind?' 'Here's my new boat and trailer....I'm just gonna park it next to my RV on your land.' No. Just no.

    Nonya Business
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So OOP has their privacy where they do not have to interact with their neighbors: did they go out of their way to see how the neighbors were negatively impacted? I do not really celebrate holidays either, but I also do not take pleasure in ensuring no one else has a good time.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's other options than refusing to take no for an answer. Carpooling, maybe walk a little further?

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    Bigcaol
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTA and I'll try to clarify. Your land, your rules. You are 100% in the right and justified to say no. However, it would cost you nothing and as you say they intended to pay so you would actually turn profit, though it sounds very likely money is not something you lack. Empathy is what you lack. You mention their lawn looka like c**p now well that would be why they offered to pay you to fix any damage. So if your lawn was left in a similar condition they would restore it. A legal contract would be what I would have done. However you can be in the right, correct and justifiable yet still be a total a*****e. If I see an elderly person struggling to lift something in the store it's not my problem is it? But i would still help because kindness rarely costs a thing. I at least hope you enjoy your solitude now that you have found it. I am anti social as well but I do not have your desire to be a hermit.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People promise stuff all the time with zero intention to follow through and I personally wouldn't wager damage to my lawn and the isolation I sought out by buying two lots and combining them on the chance this person might be truthful. Carpool, walk, Uber, taxi etc... plenty of other options.

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    Kissy Nuggett
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone who thinks op is the AH is part of the problem. Entitled behavior of neighbors is quite unneighborly. They are not being respectful of OPs boundaries. They are trying to guilt trip OP and clearly were planning on him allowing them to use his property or else they wouldn't have had to uninvite so many people. He's not the AH for saying no, not even close. They aren't the AH for asking, but they are the AH for calling him difficult for setting boundaries and trying to guilt trip him and push him to do something he clearly isn't comfortable with

    adobe blue
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had terrible neighbors and they showed their true colors from day 1. There would not have been any polite discussion, they would have parked all over the extra lot as often as they could get away with it, not just on the holidays. These people sound ok and you are probably pretty safe letting them park there. Just reiterate your boundaries often (politely) so they know how you feel.

    Panda Kicki
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Grinch strikes again. He better hope he never has to rely on the neighbours goodwill.

    StumblingThroughLife
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Peace and quiet is good for the heart & soul, especially after living in a city for a long time. It's her land, and as it's her land, if an accident happened, she'd be liable if she'd allowed peeps on it. If I was her, I'd have all the edges turned veggie beds. Fresh stuff for her and no way for neighbours to say she isn't utilizing her land. She could always cordon a strip of land on the edge for them to create a few visitors bays that wouldn't impact her privacy, with legal signed agreements that the neighbours and their relatives/friends would be responsible for any injuries occurring on that strip.

    C.O. Shea
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One word... liability. The MAGA-YTA crowd can go sück eggs.

    Pittsburgh rare
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are the YTA crowd MAGA? I want to see the mental gymnastics you do to explain. I'll wait.

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    Beth Gietl
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry, but I am with the OP on this one. Years of neighbors not even asking if they could park in my ditch, driveway, in front of the mailbox, etc. When my mom's family ran out of room to park and gather, they moved the site to somewhere bigger. No sympathy here for the neighbors.

    Wendy Smith
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For everyone saying he is the AH, will you pay for the lawsuit when someone gets hurt. That is a liability nightmare.

    tjames19701962
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Everyone saying yta, what would happen if someone got hurt on his property? From the sounds of this neighbor, they'd probably sue OP for everything they own!! OP most definitely NTA!!!

    Ronald
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    PART ONE:| I had terrible neighbours when we bought our first home. Three houses on my side and the centre house on this street. They hated the former owner, he and I were workmates, friendly. They neighbours thought I was nasty like he was. We had been there 6 weeks, wife drove onto driveway and touched, put a two inch black line on the bumper. I came home from part time at 8:30pm, A policeman banged on my door. "Is that you car?" Yes. "Did you hit and run your neighbour's car?" "Run? Run WHERE?" These troubling morons demanded an Accident Report. I called my mechanic friend. In a minute there was an appointment to paint bumper. Next October, we used fireplace first night. The firemen came at 10:30. After an hour to inspect Fire in Chimney they left. Harrassment. In January, after snowing, we all were out shoveling. I said," At least the Firemen didn't come." The man jumped. WE simply looked at him, guilty!! We had not spoken for five years. Soon, we bought a snow-blower.

    Susy Hammond
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We had an agreement with our neighbors who had access to the empty lot between our houses. We would hold two winter events and would they permit the use of their driveway to access the empty lot? They always did. And then we had two wedding receptions and they graciously permitted it again. They always knew the exact dates and times. I can see why someone would want to be secluded. But this permission for which his neighbor even offered him money seems churlish to not be gracious for one event in a year. He could even have required a guard be present during the event, paid for by the neighbor.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean... he's under absolutely no obligation to let anyone use it. He's also a massive entitled, kind of trashy AH. He's the kind of scum that should never be aloud to buy up multiple houses. What trash.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because they wouldn't open themselves up to lawsuits and a tore up lawn that they "promise to fix" if you believe that last part I got a bridge I'll sell ya for real cheap. Good deal just for you my friend.

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    Jill Schlaefer
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In a rural area, stuff happens. Your perfectly justifiable refusal to allow neighbors to park on your land will, I repeat, WILL come back to bite you. Neighborly goodwill is the general law of the rural landscape. When that big storm comes and floods your access or damages your isolated home or you have a personal emergency requiring someone help you, no one is going to feel the urge to come over to lend a helping hand. If the neighborhood is a bit sketchy, you may even have lit the match of aggressive "things" happening to your property. YTA

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From how secluded they intentionally made themselves I really don't think they're going to care.

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    SheamusFanFrom1987
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd go with PA aka Partial A-Hole. While I agree that it's "your house your rules", straight up being unreasonable is a sh*tbag attitude with neighbours. Besides, it's not as if they are demanding to park there for free, they are asking to park there with a promise of compensation. If you aren't using the plot at the moment, why not get something out of it? (money if there are damages, a favour from the neighbours if there aren't). Overall, fair enough that OP has a right to keep people out of his/her land but should there be an emergency, don't expect much (if any) neighbourly help. It would be pretty much "you reap what you sow". -_-"

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying no to possible lawsuits or further asking every time they need an extra space makes them a s**t bag? No the neighbors poor planning refusal to take no for an answer and expecting money to solve all their problems are the s**t bags.

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    Sunny
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yta, it's one day for Christmas and OP doesn't celebrate so it isn't getting in the way of their own Christmas celebrations, is it really that hard for people to be kind? I understand not wanting to have your lawn torn up but I'm imagining the ground would be hardened around Christmas or they at least said they have an extra driveway that could be used by the neighbor

    Pillowhead
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So OP wants to know if they are being an AH and when pointed out, they throw the 'but - (insert reasoning)'. Why even post if they don't want to hear other people opposing opinion? Seems like OP just wants the NTA validation.

    Schmebulock
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    100% he is a complete a*****e. The fact that he even has to ask solidifies that. There are a lot of s****y people out there and he is just another one on the list. Karma is a b***h.

    Amelia Jade
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is absolutely an a-hole. And so are many of you in this comment thread. It's zero skin off OPs nose to allow people to park. They're being a jerk simply to be a jerk. Anyone who agrees with OP and their reasoning ("I don't celebrate the holidays") is as sour as OP.

    James Carbone
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you want to get sued, by someone you let park on your property, "out of the kindness of your heart", go right ahead. I'll stick with OP, on this one; no strangers are going to park on my property. Full stop.

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    H. B. Nielsen
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Look I get some of where OP is coming from and like others have said it's their land and their choice. Damn though, what a sour person. There's also a way to decline without coming off the way they appeared to. So what if they don't celebrate holidays? Wtf does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The only thing I read that I agree with for a no is the liability. Simple enough fix though, the one demand should be that at neighbors expense a contract is put in place.

    𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐦-𝐏𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why should OP go out of their way to see a lawyer, and have a proper contract drafted (and pay for that), for something they really don't want to have going on on their property anyway? That turns your "nice gesture to help a neighbor out" into a legal transaction and a major inconvenience. No is short, to the point, and saves a lot of headache and expense.

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    René Sauer
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    17 Acres total, that´s 7 hectar, or almost 70.000 square meter of land. Can OP even see the other side of their property from their house? They are just petty and needlessly a**l about "My property"...

    GettingCereal
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gentle reminder that you can be within your rights to do something and still be an a*****e. A driveway they aren't using on the other end of the property and from what I understand they can't even really see? Make them sign an agreement that you're not liable for any injuries and that they'll repair any damages and let them park there.

    Michael MacKinnon
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The one caveat is that liability waivers aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

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    KatSaidWhat
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She proved her point about the grass being torn up though. It's her land, her decision and the neighbours are just being AH now on doubling down. They've always had parking issues but now that someone owns bigger land, they are EXPECTED to host a bunch of cars not even related to her? Nah. Doesn't matter what time of year it is - you don't expect other people to resolve known issues - like parking.

    Pittsburgh rare
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sure, you don't have to solve anyone's issues... until you have an issue and guess what? They don't have to solve yours either. I hope you're all millionaires who can go without any favours from anyone, because you're setting yourselves for a big karma slap.

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    BookFanatic
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly, I just got stuck on "since the Panini started." I mean, I know it's "pandemic" but I keep imaging Killer Paninis or something.

    clairebear
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Plant some trees. If she says yes then neighbours are always going to park there. Forever. And it is hard to go back to no once you have said yes and they start taking the p**s.

    Fire Singer
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    See that's the reason I say NTA. Because most often if you let someone do something once they'll continue to expect it and eventually it will become a major issue. Do I think OP could have let them park, yes. But did they have to? No absolutely not. I come from a large family and if we are going somewhere with limited parking we carpool or figure out street parking or something. We never make it someone else's problem. And if a neighbor wants to park several cars on your property get a parking contract created and signed immediately to avoid any potential liability issues or future issues with them wanting to park when it's not allowed.

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    Daniela Lavanza
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love how the YTA answers include « your place, your rule » only to say afterwards that well, it’s not really her place as she SHOULD accept. As others have underlined, if she accepts today, they’ll ask again later and won’t understand if she suddenly say no. However she decides to use her land - and having space to be left in peace is a good one - it’s up to her, full stop. Neighbors may ask, but them not accepting her refusal makes me suspicious that that are not the respectable people they claim to be. Them asking before doing it was probably more to avoid trouble that out of real respect.

    Bigcaol
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The question is am I the a*****e. Not am I justifiable. So the answer is yes they are an a*****e. You can do many things correctly and justifiably and still be an a*****e. I also want to point out that OP mentions that in 7 months nobody contacted them. They are almost lamenting this fact it sounds so whiney. It sounds to me like in 7 months they were respecting their right to privacy that she is so staunch about keeping. So which is it? Are you butt hurt that they didn't acknowledge you in 7 months? Or were they actually being good neighbors and leaving you alone?

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    S. R.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because OP was offered money, she wasn't obligated to accept. Just imagine somebody slipping and hurting themselves on OPs property. Who would be liable? OP of course. Neighbourly gestures cannot prevent liability claims

    LuckyTanuki
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So write up a fkn contract. It's not hard to avoid that BS so don't even try to make stupid justifications like that. Op just wanted to be an AH, simple as that. Doesn't matter if they were justified, at the end of the day, yes, they are the AH.

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    WonderWoman
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In litigious society, I would refrain from allowing anyone onto my property. All you need is one person to say there was a defect in your property that caused them injury and you are literally screwed. Your homeowners insurance will pay, if warranted, but, your rates will double or worse, they will not renew AND they will blackball you in the industry, so that you can not get coverage for a decent price, ever again. This is worse, if OP took money, then they are operating a business without license. and that can cause the homeowners insurance to deny coverage AT ALL. If the people are close to you and are friends, then MAYBE, otherwise, not a chance in hades. People today are always looking to make a buck off of someone else.

    𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐦-𝐏𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to mention the risk of theft or damage to the cars themselves. A large number of cars just parked on a back acre of nowhere might attract trouble. And who would be liable? The property owner. Or are they expected to sit out on there and guard to make sure nothing happens while on their property? No. Just no.

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    Rahul Pawa
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not sure why it's not possible for relatives to park a bit farther away and walk. The elderly ones can get dropped off, or pay a couple teenagers in the family to be valets.

    Mandi T.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm going to be devil's advocate here and say NTA. I too bought land so I don't have to deal with close neighbors and I'd resent having my privacy invaded. Lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on mine. Its not lack of empathy, compassion, kindness, or whatever else. It's valuing what's yours. And I value my privacy and quiet more than interacting with people I have no desire to know. In 7 months they clearly weren't interested in introducing themselves or welcoming the new member. Until they wanted something that is. Firm NTA.

    UncleJohn3000
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why couldn't they park on near by side streets? OP's land wasn't the only option, just the closest one.

    35 cabbages in a trenchcoat
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is a huuuuuuge AH here. Obviously he doesn't have to let people onto the edge of his property, but wow. Hope he never needs anything from anyone, ever, because he gives NOTHING. Seems like he's riding the high of just getting his land.

    Storms Thief
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People complain that no one knows their neighbors anymore and OP is the reason why. Why would I ever go out of my way for OP. I have a neighbor who just left will helped us repair it have, and I made him a huge batch of cookies and agreed to day sit for a week. It's all a give and take. It's what being a community is

    Don't even
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pretty sure they bought extra land to not have to go out of their way for the neighbors.

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    Dagnirath
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm going to go against the grain and say ESH on this one. OP is right that it's their property to do with as they will (or not), but it wouldn't have killed them to help out a neighbor in need. On the other side, the neighbors aren't entitled to use OP's property just because they need it. Plus the fact that they didn't introduce themselves until they needed something. If you want help from your neighbors you need to be neighborly first.

    Bette
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel as if something is missing from the narrative. Is the author determined just to be isolated from others or just a nasty neighbor? From his own description, it sounds as if he not only craves isolation but also is determined to be unpleasant as well. How unfortunate since he does not live in a deserted island by himself!

    Josh Gilland
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One it's a woman and two she sounds wonderful. Soundsike omeone who enjoys nature, peace and comfort, wants a simple life. People just like to view people who don't bend over from them as a******s. I'm a proud a*****e and I'm called it cuz I don't bend to people's wants. I laugh cuz the vast majority of times I'm called an a*****e the person does the same thing. People love calling the kettle black when they're a soot covered pot.

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    Robert T
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's one bread of problem. Perhaps you could sandwich them in. ;-)

    PEGGY Colombo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have wonderful neighbors who have helped me out when I needed it even before I met them. After we bought our house but before we moved in a large piece of furniture was delivered 2 weeks earlier than it was scheduled. We were out of state and had no way of securing it. We asked our realtor if he could pick it up but he was also unavailable. A week later when we showed up at our new home the neighbor came over immediately and said, I have a large package of yours I will bring it right over. He brought it as well as take out menus for the local restaurants. We have helped them with things and they have helped us with other things. Make friends with your neighbors, it is well worth it.

    Tara Twothumbs
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the YTA’s surprised me after all, it is her land. Entitled people think it’s okay to park on someone else’s land even when compensation is offered.

    PunchinelloTX
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m more concerned about the Panini. What has this sandwich started doing to the man or vice versa? (I know it’s a typo, but I like the idea of a giant sandwich terrorizing this grouch.)

    Joe Bloe
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I find it funny the way he repeat none of his neighbours interacted with him before, right after he proudly says he don't want any interaction with anyone... That's why Sherlock, that's why nobody interacted with you. You use this to shame them and justify your sociopathy.

    Pyla
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am with him. When the Panini started, I was just about the sandwich.

    Suzie
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think two days of the year is a big deal to allow the neighbors to use his otherwise unused driveway.

    Seedy Vine
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, OP. People can choose to have large families OR lots of space. They made their choice and you made yours.

    Rob Letterly
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    if it's such a big deal, tear out the driveway, put up a fence, and be an a-hole behind your fence

    arthbach
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In this situation, I would offer to sell part of the land to the people who have small gardens and little parking. I'd have 17 acres of land, and an easily afford to make it 16 instead. This would be more than enough to ensure my privacy. Sell them a strip of land, have them pay the fees, and erect a fence and plant trees along side the fence.

    Don't even
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But they bought 17 acres to have 17 acres not sell some off to people who don't know how to plan properly.

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    Moonchild
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really don't see why everyone is getting mad at op. It's her property and she doesn't want it used as a parking lot. Her wishes for HER land should be respected.

    Keith Handly (Ike)
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This has been turned into a trolley problem, but it's not. Seriously, carpools exist. If they can't manage that then likely whatever arguments they would (apparently, absolutely need to) have would spill harmfully over onto the OP's land. This has legal liability and environmental destruction written all over it. Subjecting your neighbor's land's flora and fauna to harm and your neighbor to lawsuits by idiots is an YTFA thing.

    Katherine Smith
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People keep saying that OP should let them park there this one time to build neighborly relations, but they've now asked twice and I can just see this becoming a regular thing of the neighbors having a gathering and expecting the OP to host all the overflow parking every time. So I think they're perfectly within their rights to say no. NTA

    GA Chic
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA!!!!!! Just the liability alone is enough to make it a HARD NO! Plus their lawn has already been trashed and not repaired - I seriously doubt they would repair your property if damage occurred. You are not responsible for an unknown person's happiness. They chose to live on a tiny plot of land - this situation was due to their choices/decisions. Words and actions have consequences. They created this scenario. Hopefully they will soon move far far away and never blame others for their mistakes. Post NO TRESSPassing signs!!

    Rose
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Completely within your rights, but I would worry about if something would happen to you one day and no one in your neighborhood cared. Wouldn't you want them to look out for you, call the police if there's a break in? Even just kindly explaining your concerns about being sued if something happened as your reason, that might later influence influence their decisions if you needed unexpected help.

    Don't even
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From the sound of it even if they were friendly with their neighbors their house is secluded to the point where nobody would even hear them scream.

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    Vira
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh... I'm actually torn on this one. I wouldn't have any issues sharing with people I know, but I would worry about being sued. Not everyone's relatives are good people. The situation would get much much worse if someone suddenly thought they could get rich quick by falling on the property. Even if the case were dismissed, it's a huge problem. I guess I have to go with: saying "No," isn't mean, no matter how much the other person is sad. So NTA

    Stephen Lyford
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely NTA. His land, he can do what he wants with it. It wasn't personal, he didn't dislike those neighbors, it wasn't out of retribution, he owns the land and he controls it. The neighbors tried to bite off more than they could chew with holiday plans, and tried to gaslight the OP into capitulating. Would I do something different? Maybe. But that's me, not the OP.

    Josh Gilland
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's a difference between a neighbor and someone who lives in the neighborhood. A neighbor is someone you connect with, if you have no connection they just live in the neighborhood. These aren't neighbors, that's a more rare thing, like a lot of relationships, they just live on the same street. Neighbors would have interacted by now. A first interaction to request something isn't neighborly, it's selfish. An actual neighbor, definitely rural ones would have introduced themselves within the first week. The result of this interaction was due to both chosing to isolate from the other locals, ones okay with it, other not so that one should have made a connection.

    Lacey Waters
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm strongly NTA on this one. We once allowed some people to use part of our property and the agreement was for one night, and they had to sign a waiver that we weren't responsible for accident or injuries. This was about a decade ago. After that it became apparent that they're using our property any time they want. We've had to clean up giant messes, once had to pick up literally thousands of those plastic party favors, and in the last few years have had to deal with people hunting/poaching which is dangerous because my family uses those woods and trails. Give people an inch and they'll take a mile.

    Gerald Sturm
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She has the right to refuse. It's the OPs property. They say no, end of story. Does6matter if the neighbors are nice or not. No means no. There are potential liability issues. I can sympathize with OP. I enjoy my privacy as well. I enjoy being left alone. I've dealt with toxic neighbors. Though, if I was offered the right price, I'd probably the offer.

    ️️Upvote faery️
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If something happens to one of the guests on OP's land, it's OP's problem and potentially insurance. Absolutely no way would I open myself up to possible legal issues because someone doesn't know how to plan carpools for celebrations. All those YTA comments are extremely out to lunch lol OP is definitely NTA. 'No' is a complete sentence requiring no reason whatsoever. It's OP's land. Period.

    Marian Fitzpatrick
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP says that she bought 2 lots and made them into one lot. This means that the neighbor had the same opportunity to buy one of the vacant lots for their own use and chose not to do so. I'm sure this isn't the first time they've had parking issues. Where were they parking before? OP is NOT the AH and doesn't owe anybody an explanation

    Julia French
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    my guess is the 'OP lived only in appartments or condo in the big bad city before & has no clue about the culture they moved into. Wake up! it's time to learn

    𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐦-𝐏𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You know what? I'd refuse based on the potential liability alone. And no, I shouldn't be obligated to explain my reasoning to them. (Why? So they can try to talk me out of it?) No is a complete sentence. And if not wanting the liability or responsibility for strangers' safety and the security of their vehicles while on my property makes me an a-hole, so be it. At least I'll be an a-hole that isn't getting sued.

    Beth Gietl
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I say she is within her rights. And I agree that once she says yes, the neighbors will see it as an open invitation. They can still be neighborly, and if their relationship is hinged on this one thing, then best not to have it.

    Scott Rackley
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When all the YTAs pay his property taxes, then they can have an opinion. Otherwise, p**s off.

    brittany
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    nta. not everyone wants to be neighborly or interact with people. they have every right t deny people access to their land. its theirs.

    Joss
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These neighbors are so unimaginative that they can't come up with a solution after asking the neighbor doesn't work and have to disinvite people? Designate a parking place and shuttle them in or have them carpool...park the household's cars elsewhere and allow the guests to use those spaces. There are plenty of solutions they could have employed. Wanting to use someone else's things and then giving up is silly and further asking to use their things once you've shown how that very activity ruins your own things....it doesn't sound like OP was rude about it at all, just declined to let people use their stuff, which I don't see a problem with. It's not being unneighborly to politely decline a request or enforce your boundaries.

    Spittnimage
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Put a fence around it, that way no worries about neighbors asking.

    Sunny Day
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just wait until there's a big snow storm & neighbors pitch in to rent a plow.... And wave at OP with his shovel as they drive past.

    MR
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow. 7 months and you haven't needed something. But if/when you go out and your house is on fire or burglarized, don't expect them to lift a finger to help you. It's fine to keep neighbors at an arm's distance. But this was a politie and benign request. And while it won't pay off immediately beyond the payment, in a few years that politeness will eventually pay off.

    H. B. Nielsen
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh absolutely. The neighbors won't be calling the police if they witness a break in. Right or wrong that's the outcome.

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    TribbleThinking
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are entitled to ask, and you are entitled to say no. They should stop being so fixated on their desired solution and open their eyes to some self sufficient solutions, such as a grass reinforcement mesh, available in square modules that are easily moved. It sounds like they'll use them multiple times over the next decade, so it would be a sensible investment that will stop them lusting after their neighbours' driveways.

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    Great suggestion regarding sustainable solutions! Grass reinforcement mesh sounds like a viable option. 🍃

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    Tony Zecco
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand a lot of the commenters' insistence on "putting the land to use". Why does the land NEED tobe in use? He bought it as a buffer to the noise of the surrounding environment and to provide solitude. That's enough use. He's well within his right to not want to use it for more, and it shouldn't NEED to be used for more. I'm with OP. I wouldn't want people traipsing in my land and parking cars and possibly damaging it either. I'd say no. Being friendly with neighbors is not something that's high on my list of things to do.

    Craig Reynolds
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, but what is with all the YTA people saying she is because she won't let neighbors park vehicles on her property? They are the same entitled type of people who would expect her to lend a neighbor one of her vehicles if she had two. It's private property, not communal property. It irks me when people think they are entitled to other people's stuff. Where do they get that mindset? I grow a large vegetable garden yearly, and I used to give some of the abundance away to neighbors. That all changed when two of my neighbors became entitled and started coming onto my property to help themselves to my garden. When I told them they were not allowed on my property to help themselves, they called me a greedy AH because I had more than I could consume myself, and I should understand how expensive organic produce had become! How is that my problem? Within a month, I had my yard fenced in, and those neighbors never received anything again. I still give excess away, just not to those two.

    Red Skye
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, No is a sentence. your land, your choice, on the legal side if one of their cars was damaged or someone was injured on your land you might be sued, because you permitted them to be there, in return for money, the insurance company will tell you, your choice, your responsivity. Next, it ripped up their lawn, as it that won't happen to yours too. if the neighbor wants them to come she can direct them to LEGAL parking solutions, and pick them up from there and it would probably be cheaper, and if something happened to their car, the legal car-park would be liable and more able to pay for damages. and then there's the let them do it once, and they'll just turn around and take it as permission to do it any damned time they feel like it factor, it happens more often or not. as for all these YTA people, if they were in your shoes for real, I bet they wouldn't be oh so generous with the neighbor's or willing to take the financial hit if some damage to a car/injury to a person happened.

    Lynda Redpath-Bergman
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a miserable person the "landowner" is. No doubt will be complaining about any noise the neighbours might make by enjoying a family gathering!

    Charlie Haase
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    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, it's your land and you can do with it as you please. But still YTA. YOu say, "I don't need to be neighborly." Hell, no one *needs* to be neighborly. People do it because we're not all d***s.

    Ann Oldfield
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    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would build a wall around the whole property. He bought the land to keep neighbours away

    Caro Doughty
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    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People are so double standards and I'm so sick of that. All you talk about respect a let it be but when that "let it be" don't suit you, then it is not ok. The lady has a big yard, means it is hers!! Leave her alone, not because she has it means she needs to borrow it. Now, the first time it was raining and the neighbors ground was a mess so? Let's mess with others place, a simple "I will fix it later, I will pay for the damage" has to be enough, right?. You people need to understand now because you ask nicely others has to borrow you thinks. Respect others decisions and figure out other possibilities without push others to fix your problems

    Savage Susan
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    2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Her land, her decision, but what harm would it have done? It’s far enough away she wouldn’t have been bothered.

    Jus
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Leave her alone, she has a right, they just want to use her, no one was interested in making friends with her, they just want to use her. She said NO and it should be enough. If they were friends, I'm sure it would look different. But no one cared. Entitled leeches, that's all

    Donna Grainger
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Personally, I don't know why the op even posted. They came across to me as not caring what anyone else thought to begin with, so why bother? My take on the situation is this. You can enjoy your privacy and still be neighborly by setting boundaries. Limit the days, the time you will allow parking, and even the number of cars. My husband and I had no problem letting our five or six visitors to our previous neighbors, use the side of the lot between us nearest them during major holidays. They were polite and never abused the property or us. The ones we have now, forget it. Can we say rude and entitled?

    M2403
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Ur land, Ur rules. And quite frankly, good on you. They ripped their lawn up n now they want to do the same to urs... As well as that, so what if they say they would fix it if it got bad, you don't know them, they could be liars, And seriously, Ur neighbours poor planning is not your fault, she should have organised earlier or better, knowing parking was limited . Nta.

    Donae Sommerfeld Lugo
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTA all the way. I get that it's "your" property but what is the harm? You don't use it, you don't see it, it helps someone out and costs you nothing - in fact, you make money. Just being stubborn for no good reason. Scrooge indeed.

    PizzaGhost24
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not sure why some of the people saying YTA think you HAVE to build this relationship with your neighbors. Every single time I've been friendly towards neighbors, they try to take advantage by either talking me to death or trying to get constant favors. It's not worth it to be nice sometimes! I'm not saying be actively spiteful, but wanting to be left alone isn't a crime.

    Marianne Nielsen
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The law says he is right, but morally he is the a**-hole, big time!

    Ronald
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    PART TWO: We would clear the yards on the block, at no charge. But not theirs. Let them work for trouble the cause

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They bought the land the can do or not do whatever they so choose. Is it neighborly? Obviously not but you don't HAVE to be friends or even friendly with your neighbors. The fact that they wouldn't take no for an answer is the d**k move.

    Kathy Kennedy
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, courtesy will end up out the window. Especially if they have never made any social approaches to you, It'll become ' she said yes once' , before long your second drive would become their secondary parking, put a fence there or take out that drive if you can because otherwise entitlement, especially if you say yes once', on their part will raise it's ugly head, sooner or later it'll be 'she doesn't use it' or ' she'll never know', either way, they'd decide they have the right without your permission all the time. My take from personal experience

    Kelley Baltierra
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the only reason they even interacted with ppl in the first place was to ask for a favor then it had the right to refuse. Maybe if the neighbors had interacted in just a a 'hey how you doing ' kinda back and forth for the few months leading up to the holidays the response would have been better

    Sheryl Kirby
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nta your land you don't to share if you don't want to. I'd feel the same I If I was in your shoes. My husband and I decided to be nice to his sister and family when they had to leave a rental and had no where to go. We let them use our tent and they lived in our front yard through the summer. But I lived to regret our decision. Because of their actions we now have hard feelings and we don't get together anymore. They slept outside but would come inside whenever to use bathroom and to hang out in living room and watch TV. One of their boys couldn't aim when he used bathroom and our bathroom smelled for months after. Even cleaning with bleach. They wrecked the tent and promised to fix but never did. They used our kitchen to cook their meals but didn't clean after themselves. They never helped take out trash or vacuum. Also it's just my husband and I and with 6 more people our power and garbage went up. They never even offered to help with was the addad expenses. We regret doing it.

    Pandroid Rebellion
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here's the thing .... OP specifically set themselves up to live a solitary life. They have a right to it. And we all know it won't end with one time. Then it will be 4th of July with fireworks and oh, let's have the family reunion because of that "vacant lot" we can all use....I personally have a really great relationship with my neighbors. And by really great I mean cordial, helpful but honestly somewhat distant. I would probably say yes. We look out for each other and help when we can. But saying No doesn't make OP the AH. This person sounds a little unsocial and guarded. They get to be who they are on their property that they pay for. Even if they do sound kind of miserable and unpleasant.

    Josh Gilland
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can tell the people who've been screwed over and who hasn't. I grew up in the country and parents had agreements like this. Despite all the "oh so kind of you", "such good neighbors, good Christians" our driveway got ruin 5 times by these so called friendly neighbors and never helped out like the old neighbors. Had to get the cops involved. Also my adult life has taught me kindness is not returned just cuz. I'm out about 5k because I choose to help people that swore they'd pay me back. Only one couple is actively paying me back, 2 moved out of town. I've had my car get damaged, ive had plants walked on, I've taped garbage bags to neighbors car doors when they leave their window open, going to have my neighbor say yea I saw your window open, sucks to be you. In the 6 apartments I've lived in only 2 had neighbors that were neighborly. In my first week at this apartment with 16 units, I said hi to everyone and no one said a word. My neighbor's treat our shared lawn like a dump.

    Michael Corliss
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being legally in the right (he is) doesn't preclude someone from being TA (and he is).

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why because they don't want to open themselves up to lawsuits? Because the neighbor refused to take no for an answer? The neighbors need to plan better.

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    Thomas Hunt, Jr.
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've had issues with neighbors as well...and not from "new" ones. I'm a farmer and I live in a farming community. I do t mind a tractor or two on the side where a.foeld is, but park a dozen cars and they Will be towed away. We all have a mutual understanding - sometimes the weather gets really bad or there's some sort of crisis. Can park a tractor on the side and do what you have to do. If it's gonna be there a week, clear it with the property owner or arrange someone to pick it up. That said, if there's a party and some idiot and or idiot family (mainly from the city folk that moves in) parks their vehicles on our properties without any respect (even after being told no), then they're gonna regret it. Some of us have been dealing with people like this for the better part of 30 years. We're done taking c**p from idiots. Just because we own land for farming doesn't mean it's a parking lot. Nor does it mean they can drive through our fields and park and mangle our crops.

    Thomas Hunt, Jr.
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not all city folk are rude and disrespectful, but we've all had our share. Good way for them to get blacklisted/Blackballed. Especially the ones that come in wanting to "enjoy" country living, only to show up at town meetings and try to change things to better suit them. That's a real good way to tick people off. Well, this topic has stirred up memories and emotions. My apologies for ranting.

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    DrBronxx
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Absolutely 100% within their rights. Absolutely 100% an a*****e.

    Mandie Zimmer
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can always tell who the transplants are.... At some point y'all come on here talking s**t about your neighbors are d***s who refuse to help you out. Well, when you start out with this kind of attitude, you reap what you sow. I often make the joke that when you live in a small community, everyone knows everything about you, even things you don't know about yourself. This is how you get a bad reputation. You will get your peace and quiet, to be sure. But you will also find more doors closed than open to you. Many smaller communities will still offer to give you the shirt off their back, even when you are a d**k to them. Keep it up though and eventually, that help dries up.

    Mike Brown
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    100% NTA and anyone that says otherwise is TA, at no point in time should someone be ostracized for not allowing others to use their property. It's not the OP's fault or responsibility to provide anything for any neighbors. We're I in the same position not only would I say no, I would immediately put up no trespassing signs and a camera, entitled neighbors tend to get vindictive when that don't get their way.

    Danielle L
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that the wife decided to throw a tantrum over property that did not belong to her, really grinds my gears. Sure, yes most people wouldn't probably see it as an issue to let the neighbors use the property. But just like this guy, I value my privacy! It's just another case of someone trying to take things that clearly don't belong to them. And honestly... each holiday happens once a year. So I can totally see her claiming the space that clearly this man doesn't want her on, over and over. If you give a mouse a cookie... Totally NTA Any person who says otherwise clearly does not understand healthy boundaries.

    Reta Murphy
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't let them park there. If someone falls, your fault. Car gets scratched, your fault. Anything get stolen, yep you guessed it. Your fault. You can have them sign a waiver and have a judge throw it out and let the lawsuit continue. Protect yourself.

    Ryan Conant
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I call bs. A neighborhood where one lot is 17 acres and the rest are 1/4 acre?

    M G----no
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. I don't know why ppl keep moving into houses that have no room to park. A new neighborhood was created adjacent to my parents', and cars are everywhere because there is no room for them. No yards, tiny driveways. So cars are everywhere. If you want to be a host, buy a house where you can do so. Were these people welcoming of the person when they moved in on that property? Did they go and introduce themselves and kindly offer to be there if they need anything? Was the first time they went to talk to them to ask a favor? then you can expect friendliness if you didn't offer it first. Nobody owes you anything.

    Col Prettyman
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think people aren't taking into consideration the liability of the landowner should anything happen to a person or property while parking on said property. That landowner risks losing everything. That these people are making this person out to be a pos for protecting themselves is b******t. Yes you can sign a waiver but that waiver doesn't mean jack when there's thousands of dollars in damages or God forbid a death. So no, if I don't know you you can't use my property.

    Joanne Mendonza-Earle
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He is NTA. I don't want people on my land either. I don't associate with my neighbors on purpose. I'm private and reclusive. You give people an inch and they'll take a mile. He gives in just one time and they will turn that part of his land into their own personal parking lot. 'Oh we just bought this RV but have no room in our driveway....would you mind?' 'Here's my new boat and trailer....I'm just gonna park it next to my RV on your land.' No. Just no.

    Nonya Business
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So OOP has their privacy where they do not have to interact with their neighbors: did they go out of their way to see how the neighbors were negatively impacted? I do not really celebrate holidays either, but I also do not take pleasure in ensuring no one else has a good time.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's other options than refusing to take no for an answer. Carpooling, maybe walk a little further?

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    Bigcaol
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTA and I'll try to clarify. Your land, your rules. You are 100% in the right and justified to say no. However, it would cost you nothing and as you say they intended to pay so you would actually turn profit, though it sounds very likely money is not something you lack. Empathy is what you lack. You mention their lawn looka like c**p now well that would be why they offered to pay you to fix any damage. So if your lawn was left in a similar condition they would restore it. A legal contract would be what I would have done. However you can be in the right, correct and justifiable yet still be a total a*****e. If I see an elderly person struggling to lift something in the store it's not my problem is it? But i would still help because kindness rarely costs a thing. I at least hope you enjoy your solitude now that you have found it. I am anti social as well but I do not have your desire to be a hermit.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People promise stuff all the time with zero intention to follow through and I personally wouldn't wager damage to my lawn and the isolation I sought out by buying two lots and combining them on the chance this person might be truthful. Carpool, walk, Uber, taxi etc... plenty of other options.

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    Kissy Nuggett
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone who thinks op is the AH is part of the problem. Entitled behavior of neighbors is quite unneighborly. They are not being respectful of OPs boundaries. They are trying to guilt trip OP and clearly were planning on him allowing them to use his property or else they wouldn't have had to uninvite so many people. He's not the AH for saying no, not even close. They aren't the AH for asking, but they are the AH for calling him difficult for setting boundaries and trying to guilt trip him and push him to do something he clearly isn't comfortable with

    adobe blue
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had terrible neighbors and they showed their true colors from day 1. There would not have been any polite discussion, they would have parked all over the extra lot as often as they could get away with it, not just on the holidays. These people sound ok and you are probably pretty safe letting them park there. Just reiterate your boundaries often (politely) so they know how you feel.

    Panda Kicki
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Grinch strikes again. He better hope he never has to rely on the neighbours goodwill.

    StumblingThroughLife
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    3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Peace and quiet is good for the heart & soul, especially after living in a city for a long time. It's her land, and as it's her land, if an accident happened, she'd be liable if she'd allowed peeps on it. If I was her, I'd have all the edges turned veggie beds. Fresh stuff for her and no way for neighbours to say she isn't utilizing her land. She could always cordon a strip of land on the edge for them to create a few visitors bays that wouldn't impact her privacy, with legal signed agreements that the neighbours and their relatives/friends would be responsible for any injuries occurring on that strip.

    C.O. Shea
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One word... liability. The MAGA-YTA crowd can go sück eggs.

    Pittsburgh rare
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are the YTA crowd MAGA? I want to see the mental gymnastics you do to explain. I'll wait.

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    Beth Gietl
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry, but I am with the OP on this one. Years of neighbors not even asking if they could park in my ditch, driveway, in front of the mailbox, etc. When my mom's family ran out of room to park and gather, they moved the site to somewhere bigger. No sympathy here for the neighbors.

    Wendy Smith
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For everyone saying he is the AH, will you pay for the lawsuit when someone gets hurt. That is a liability nightmare.

    tjames19701962
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Everyone saying yta, what would happen if someone got hurt on his property? From the sounds of this neighbor, they'd probably sue OP for everything they own!! OP most definitely NTA!!!

    Ronald
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    PART ONE:| I had terrible neighbours when we bought our first home. Three houses on my side and the centre house on this street. They hated the former owner, he and I were workmates, friendly. They neighbours thought I was nasty like he was. We had been there 6 weeks, wife drove onto driveway and touched, put a two inch black line on the bumper. I came home from part time at 8:30pm, A policeman banged on my door. "Is that you car?" Yes. "Did you hit and run your neighbour's car?" "Run? Run WHERE?" These troubling morons demanded an Accident Report. I called my mechanic friend. In a minute there was an appointment to paint bumper. Next October, we used fireplace first night. The firemen came at 10:30. After an hour to inspect Fire in Chimney they left. Harrassment. In January, after snowing, we all were out shoveling. I said," At least the Firemen didn't come." The man jumped. WE simply looked at him, guilty!! We had not spoken for five years. Soon, we bought a snow-blower.

    Susy Hammond
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We had an agreement with our neighbors who had access to the empty lot between our houses. We would hold two winter events and would they permit the use of their driveway to access the empty lot? They always did. And then we had two wedding receptions and they graciously permitted it again. They always knew the exact dates and times. I can see why someone would want to be secluded. But this permission for which his neighbor even offered him money seems churlish to not be gracious for one event in a year. He could even have required a guard be present during the event, paid for by the neighbor.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean... he's under absolutely no obligation to let anyone use it. He's also a massive entitled, kind of trashy AH. He's the kind of scum that should never be aloud to buy up multiple houses. What trash.

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because they wouldn't open themselves up to lawsuits and a tore up lawn that they "promise to fix" if you believe that last part I got a bridge I'll sell ya for real cheap. Good deal just for you my friend.

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    Jill Schlaefer
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In a rural area, stuff happens. Your perfectly justifiable refusal to allow neighbors to park on your land will, I repeat, WILL come back to bite you. Neighborly goodwill is the general law of the rural landscape. When that big storm comes and floods your access or damages your isolated home or you have a personal emergency requiring someone help you, no one is going to feel the urge to come over to lend a helping hand. If the neighborhood is a bit sketchy, you may even have lit the match of aggressive "things" happening to your property. YTA

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From how secluded they intentionally made themselves I really don't think they're going to care.

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    SheamusFanFrom1987
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd go with PA aka Partial A-Hole. While I agree that it's "your house your rules", straight up being unreasonable is a sh*tbag attitude with neighbours. Besides, it's not as if they are demanding to park there for free, they are asking to park there with a promise of compensation. If you aren't using the plot at the moment, why not get something out of it? (money if there are damages, a favour from the neighbours if there aren't). Overall, fair enough that OP has a right to keep people out of his/her land but should there be an emergency, don't expect much (if any) neighbourly help. It would be pretty much "you reap what you sow". -_-"

    Don't even
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying no to possible lawsuits or further asking every time they need an extra space makes them a s**t bag? No the neighbors poor planning refusal to take no for an answer and expecting money to solve all their problems are the s**t bags.

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    Sunny
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yta, it's one day for Christmas and OP doesn't celebrate so it isn't getting in the way of their own Christmas celebrations, is it really that hard for people to be kind? I understand not wanting to have your lawn torn up but I'm imagining the ground would be hardened around Christmas or they at least said they have an extra driveway that could be used by the neighbor

    Pillowhead
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So OP wants to know if they are being an AH and when pointed out, they throw the 'but - (insert reasoning)'. Why even post if they don't want to hear other people opposing opinion? Seems like OP just wants the NTA validation.

    Schmebulock
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    100% he is a complete a*****e. The fact that he even has to ask solidifies that. There are a lot of s****y people out there and he is just another one on the list. Karma is a b***h.

    Amelia Jade
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is absolutely an a-hole. And so are many of you in this comment thread. It's zero skin off OPs nose to allow people to park. They're being a jerk simply to be a jerk. Anyone who agrees with OP and their reasoning ("I don't celebrate the holidays") is as sour as OP.

    James Carbone
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you want to get sued, by someone you let park on your property, "out of the kindness of your heart", go right ahead. I'll stick with OP, on this one; no strangers are going to park on my property. Full stop.

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    H. B. Nielsen
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Look I get some of where OP is coming from and like others have said it's their land and their choice. Damn though, what a sour person. There's also a way to decline without coming off the way they appeared to. So what if they don't celebrate holidays? Wtf does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The only thing I read that I agree with for a no is the liability. Simple enough fix though, the one demand should be that at neighbors expense a contract is put in place.

    𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐦-𝐏𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐚
    Community Member
    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why should OP go out of their way to see a lawyer, and have a proper contract drafted (and pay for that), for something they really don't want to have going on on their property anyway? That turns your "nice gesture to help a neighbor out" into a legal transaction and a major inconvenience. No is short, to the point, and saves a lot of headache and expense.

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    René Sauer
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    3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    17 Acres total, that´s 7 hectar, or almost 70.000 square meter of land. Can OP even see the other side of their property from their house? They are just petty and needlessly a**l about "My property"...

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