Why are you omitting the most IMPORTANT part? There is no book saying YOU WOULD ADD SINS that send you TO HELL if you do that...(Jeans ,Tshirts etc...) ONLY IN FRONT OF MEN! Can you answer to me WHY you did that? Why did you ommit the most important part of the hijab? The preverbial flamethrower... "We wear what we grow up with." I AGREE WITH YOU and AS A EX MUSLIM I TELL YOU! I grew up seeing girls BEING SHAMED about their bodies and told they will go to HELL if they show their HAIR TO MEN! In what world is this similar in concept to fashion and culture sense??? I have two explanations... You are defending the Hijab and Islam because you are sadly a slave to it...Like i was a slave when i was groomed into Islam as kid... OR you are erroneously legitimately thinking that there is no problem with it...because for some reason religions are treated as a "good thing???" I dont get that part...PPl who default to defending religions...Like they are ethnicity or something???

the way it was explained to me (by a Muslim woman), is that western women put on lingerie for their lovers, and Muslim women take their scarves off. for her, it had nothing to do with sin, it was a personal choice- she wanted her hair to be her "secret sexy" reserved for her lover. she wouldn't even take it off around other family members, male or female. i might wear crop tops around my husband, but am uncomfortable wearing them in public. i just don't want strangers seeing my belly. it can be the same for some Muslim women. There are also women who like wearing head scarves and it has nothing to do with religion. i agree we should be sure that these women have freedom, but that includes the freedom to wear a scarf or hijab if they choose to.

By the way i am a muslim born man... Obviously i am apostate now... a mortad... Read the fatwas (degrees) and the ahadith-rasol(sayings of the prophet) they have...About what would happen to an apostate like me in some muslim countries... NOT A GONNA HAVE A FUN TIME in saudi arabia i will tell you that much!

"but that includes the freedom to wear a scarf or hijab if they choose to." I agree with this. A scarf is fine. The hijab is chosen when someone has a flamethrower at your face. So it is a free choice? Or a forced choice? A slave can choose to work or not... can they not? But one putcome means they get tortured and die. The other outcome means they live! IS IT A FREE CHOICE! Honestly this is why i think these cults are so dam vile...They exploit good ppl and convince them that this insanity is ok and is about freedom... Aahah a slave... I speak Arabic... The word for Worship is "العبادة" the word for "عبد" Yeh it is that bad..."عبد الله" is an actual family last name in arabic...(Went to class with a kid with that name) Slavery is not a choice... So your friend simply told you the same lie they tell themselves...

I suggest you read up on mohammed's story and compare it with andrew tate. You will see the pattern. Replace Mecca with Romania... Add an underage child to the hareem... Ohh wait andrew tate attempted that too... yeh that where the hijab is coming from. It is not about freedom. I am at least 100% sure about that... Please if you love your friend... Tell them that... Then if they want to break the chains of slavery or not... It is up to them. Nothing made me happier than seeing how 3 out 4 of my women college friends made it out of the country and almost INSTANTLY removed the hijab... Wish everybody can...

Okay but she still gets sins when she removes the hijab outside and other men see her... "There are also women who like wearing head scarves and it has nothing to do with religion" ABSOLUTELY! It is a fashion statement for alot of people! BUT Specific cult symbols are more than that... At the end of the day this is rationalization for abuse. It is the same kind of excuse you hear when your friend wants to get back to their abusive ex... "Ohh it is ok I WANT to wear this...It is definitely not because I would be shamed by my peers and go to hell for it!" The typical lie some ppl feel forced to tell themselves... So they can rationalize the insane position they are in... God dam it man i HEARD this from my friends my sister MY MOM! it pains me that they stick to that cult because of rationalizations like these... Please dig deeper with your friend. "Would showing your hair to men add to your sin". If the answer is yes... Every justification is rationalization for mental abuse.

Nicely expressed zov

Sadly, it is the same rationalization for mental abuse i heard a lot... It is a nice concept to have something special with your partner but that is another subject... A deflection. You don't need the hijab for that... The vile disgusting main issue remains. IF SHE SHOWS HER HAIR TO OTHER MEN. She adds sins... She is closer to hell... That is told to every Muslim little girl...

Not once did I say hijab or head scarf

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Of course I asked her why she wanted this or if she was forced to. That's the first thing I did. Then I supported my friend with a decision she made alone and which she was 100% comfortable with. Now, please, leave me alone and stop commenting on every one of my comments.

First of all.... Trust me, you are not that special in anyay especially to me... I only respond to the the comments that catch my eye and are about an interesting topic. Notice how I am actually NOT commenting under everything you say... Just things like this... Now i recoomend you ask your friend why she is doing something the likes of andrew tate want for women. To hate themselves SO MUCH that it becomes 100% their choice to do that out of fear of going to hell... EXPLORE that. Actually support her instead of sending her back to her abuser...Even if the abuser is a doctrine... WHo in their right mind puts a symbol of opression on them?

First of all that was 2 years ago and she and I are no longer friends (we didn't fought, we just went to different schools and parted ways). I asked her why she wanted to wear the hijab, she said it was because she wanted to. She had her faith and even if many women in her family did not wear the hijab, she wanted to do it because she thought it would bring her closer to her God. She wasn't obligated to, no one was threatening her, she did it because she wanted. And if she hesitated that much, it's because she was scared of being judged and insulted by racists, anti-Muslims, and idiots who think a woman can't decide by herself to wear a hijab if she wants to.

Okay... Still personally if a god tells me he made me with a body that was sinful and that my very hair needed to be covered in FRONT OF MEN specifically... AND I WANTED to get closer to this god... I HOPE I got the momentary lucidity to seek a psychiatrist... Eventually wake up from this self hate... Maybe she lied to you? Maybe i cannot POSSIBLE imagine how being close to a god like that can ever be seen as a good thing... I am legit curious... Does it make sense to you? Getting close to a god who gives you a sinful body that needs to be covered up in front of men or you burn in hell? Is the person choosing that ok? Anyway IT is their choice at the end of day! Mental health is something you cannot force on someone...(unless they hurt others) It is kinda like a slavery kink at that point...

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Because for them it does have a symbolic meaning and it's a meaning they don't like.

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"I will protect women whether the women like it or not." Now where have I heard that before?

"Stop oppressing women by telling them how they feel" Am i oppressing women by telling them that going back to the abuser, the wife beater and the gaslighter? For me the logic is simple. An inuit woman or ppl in general would cover themselves from head to toe form the cold. It makes sense. A middle east woman covers her head in the searing heat inside her home because her husband has his boys over... Please explain the counter point. If i am so wrong about this... It should be easy. Do it...Rationalize how being against abuse and gaslighting is oppressing women. I will wait. You have forever to come up with an answer. And i dont think it is enough because you might as well tell me 1+1=3. You probably guessed that i am not addressing you but the people who would read this from how impossible a task i think you defending your point is.

Such a simplistic vague example achieves nothing. Men in middle Eastern countries typically wear long sleeved robes and head scarves too. It's called protection from the sand and the sun, just for starters.

"Ben, you seem to have decided how EVERYONE who wears one thinks and feels. " No i am not the one who wrote the Quran that would be Mohammed. The rule says. Your hair is a sin so you have to cover it up. You are the rib of Adam. You are a slave of god who needs to worship or die. It has been my lifes experience. Every single woman who i asked that. Avoids the question and act exactly like an abuse victim justifying their abuser or answers that they want to remove it. The thing about cult books is that they in a way they make it simple. BEYOND men and women. So to dismiss this opressing women nothion let us talk about men. I was told i needed to pray or burn in hell...I needed to remain muslim or be excluded. and i had plenty of people like you using this warped logic to get me back with my abuser. In this case Islam... You are a slave and you will burn unless XYZ

So this is about a personal negative life experience foisted on you by ignorant dogmatics, I'm sorry you went through that. Please realise in a world of 8 billion people, there can be 8 billion different experiences and outcomes, even in the worst reputed faiths, there will be those whose faith is sincere and filled with humility and in the best and highly valued faiths, there will be vipers. Your choice is your own and I hope no one ever denies you your rights again.

" Your choice is your own and I hope no one ever denies you your rights again." It is NOT A CHOICE if you have a FLAMETHROWER POINTED AT YOUR HEAD! That is what HELL IS. The book the Quran has not changed for 1400 years... Take your time... Process this... Once the emotions go down... Come read this again... and answer the singular question below without all the deflection...

Ben, you have written so much here, I really have no idea what "singular question below" you are referring to...your anger is justified but I am not the person who has to provide answers for it and neither is the poor student who was treated like, a terrorist because she wore a hijab.

This question: "Does a woman... ADD SINS... IF SHE... SHOWS... HER hair...To a MALE...Not from her family..." The question is not for me XD. I am knowledgeable about the cult. As i am an ex muslim man. Also i agree with you in the last point! I did call out the unhinged reaction of the family! This poor girl is a victim that they are taking out their anger and hatred on! Something i have experienced cus idiots associate my name/skin color with cult ideal as if they are ethnicity/culture... Also The thing is lots of ppl defend Islam and the Hijab that goes too far for me. In their attempt to virtue signal they end up promoting one of the most misogynistic things i have ever seen... I just dont want any woman to ever have to deal with this... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/03/middleeast/iranian-woman-detained-after-taking-clothes-off-intl/index.html ps: Sry >.> BP removes spaces makes it hard to write and read comments. GTG now i won't be able to respond immediately.

In Quran is it written that a woman would add sins if she shows here hair to a man not her husband. YES OR NO. A simple question. You can assume all you want about me. Just answer that singular question. We are not talking about men. Not the sun. Not a fashion statement. No more spouting deflections to protect yourself from admitting that you were wrong about something. Answer the SINGULAR simple question. Does a woman... ADD SINS... IF SHE... SHOWS... HER hair...To a MALE...Not her from family... Ps: IT IS OK to be wrong about something! I USED to be muslim i was WRONG as a kid i left it at 16!!! IT OK to admit you are wrong to accept it and move FORWARD!

Aside from inadvertently supporting/accepting 2 oppressive/bad religions, what assumption did I make about you ? "Read up on it more you will see XD And again it is good that you want to support people... Just make sure you are not supporting them in going back to the abuse and mental torture of a cult..." I assumed your action come from a good place... but you were lacking in education about what the cult of Islam actually is... As you think, a woman wearing a scarf is similar to the hijab and nuns... WHICH are OBVIOUSLY misogynistic concepts... Irrelevant of gender or age as I have not mentioned those... Ask why you are being so defensive... You could have explained to me that You think nuns and the hijab are bad things... You did not... So until then...the assumption I made about you is obviously correct... That you support some religions without knowing what evil they are... Again, a NUN and the Hijab are not a benign and good concept like a woman wearing a scarf for cancer...That was my ONE assumption! So why are you mad at me? (A new assumption based on the tone of this response...) Now you can continue being mad at me and lashing out.... Or educate yourself about Islam so you stop comparing hijab and nuns to a cancer scarf... Or surprise me with a third option...

I have no lack in understanding Islam. My meditation teacher and 70% of my gnostic mediation class are Muslim. Yeh you read that right Gnostic followers ofchrist, go figure huh? Some wear the hijab, some wear tight skirts with long glossy hair, nobody says anything either way. The extremism that gets all the media attention is, as per usual, about a vocal minority of radicalised peoples who are ruled by totalitarian minded misogynists whose main aim is to feed their monumental self serving egos and l.usts. They do not apply to the vast majority of anyone I have ever met. The hijab, like any religious symbol can be used for propaganda purposes of evil minds. It can also be a symbol of humility in the face of propaganda machines. I don't judge anyone I meet wearing one in the exact same way I dont judge nuns when I meet them. I let them show me who they are and I rarely meet people I don't like.

Have you read the second line of OP text?