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When researchers from the Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media and the data analytics firm Movio explored the connection between who appears in a movie and who shows up for its theatrical run, they found a correlation between the representation of different demographic cohorts and their share of the audience. In other words, we want to see characters we can relate to. But sometimes, instead of giving people a voice, filmmakers reduce them to stereotypes.
Last week, a person who goes by the nickname Embarrassed-Toe-1920 online made a post on the subreddit r/TwoXChromosomes, asking everyone to list movies that made them feel as if the writers' room didn't have a single woman present during production.
"This weekend I watched Just Go With It with Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston, and I was DISGUSTED by the storyline," the Redditor said in their post. "Rich 50-something plastic surgeon with few redeemable qualities dates [a] 25-year-old and then realizes he's in love with his middle-aged assistant and leaves [the] 25-year-old for [the] assistant. That's literally the whole movie."
Embarrassed-Toe-1920 added that the movie felt like a man's fantasy and a woman's nightmare, inviting others to list titles that had a similar vibe.
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#1
Another Adam Sandler movie - Blended. Overall kind of a cute but dumb movie. But there's this one scene where leading lady is helping him pick out tampons for his daughter and basically explains he needs to get small ones because of her small v*gina. They extend it further by having the checkout lady make an awkward comment about the days when she could use those.
When cringe meets misinformation...
Feathered Dinosaur 1 year ago (edited)
Because sex makes your vag get loose. By that logic a woman sleeping with her husband regularly must have a huuuuuge vag, while the 'loose' woman who has a few one night stands should be tighter than the former one. But somehow it's different when it's not the same penis? And by that logic shouldn't penises get crushed or whittled down the more they penetrate??
Any 1 year ago (edited)
So Info for those who want to know: The small ones are for a less heavy flow and the big ones are for a heavy flow and can be uncomfortable if used for not so heavy and also because of their size. (my experience 33F)
Jill Rhodry 1 year ago
To add - as the tampon gets wet it expands so it fits each different vagina perfectly
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tori Ohno 1 year ago
I won't watch anything with Adam Sandler in it. He's so ridiculously immature and abusive in some movies. His characters are always disgusting.
Ben Aziza 1 year ago
My top is uncut gems. Not a comedy and to be taken fully seriously! He shows he is a LEGIT good actor!
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RajunCajun 1 year ago (edited)
I always thought of it more like your leg. when you are younger your leg is smaller and gets bigger as you get older. When I was 11 or 12 my body was smaller than I was at 15.
The Darkest Timeline 1 year ago
Except vaginas and legs aren’t the same thing
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Tommy DePaul 1 year ago
The problem here is that you've involved a woman and so it becomes political. Hear me out: posit 2 gay men talking about penetration. You are going to get unanimous agreement that a larger penis will stretch (or even injured an a**s - also a muscle). A young man on Reddit has gained fame for having to go to the ER after attempting to fellate a 10"-er. These involve only men, instant agreement is possible -- no political BS.
Feathered Dinosaur 1 year ago
It's self-censoring to avoid getting (shadow-) banned...
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#2
I love many movies that Ryan Gosling is in, but in The Notebook (2004), the character threatening s***ide (or at least a broken neck and bones) if Rachel McAdams won't date him has got to be one of the more disgusting coercive interactions in a mainstream movie that only a bunch of men in the writers room (and a male novelist) could think of as "romantic". Truly messed up stuff.
Menno Sieswerda 1 year ago
Honestly, how ignorant can you be to think that writing SUICIDE all censored with *** will stop suicidal people thinking of it????
Rosie 1 year ago
Youtube is notorious for this. The "unalive" word really bugs me.
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CanadianDimes 1 year ago
Me neither. I watched it once and hated it. There's nothing romantic about the way he manipulates her or the fact that they argue all the time.
Load More Replies... Panda Kicki 1 year ago
I was in that situation once. My stalker called and said he would unalive himself if I didnt come over right away. I called the police. They went there and called back laughing. He had opened the dood in a silk gown, candlea on the table, all set up for a seductive dinner inc rose petals on the floor. Instead of me, a bunch of grumpy cops barged in, yelled at him and said he would je arrested if he ever pulled the same stunt or bothered me.
Sergio Bicerra 1 year ago
Did they had bodycam footage of that? Cause you could make millions of views out if it hahaha. Either way, glad he's got the message and out of your life.
Load More Replies... zims 1 year ago
Especially since their previous interaction was her snubbing his flirtations and walking off with her date. She already shot him down, and he escalates by risking his life and threatening to traumatize her (and other fair-goers,) banking on her being a good enough person to be scared by his blackmail. It's amazing she actually went on a date with him instead of getting him arrested, or at least beat up by her date's buddies.
Sarah Bailey 1 year ago
Threatening suicide is a narcissist move trying to control you to return to them.
Pheebs 1 year ago (edited)
I’d like to point out that the books are written by a guy, so you might have to go back further than a script. Also, just because it’s s****y behavior in general, doesn’t mean it wouldn’t happen. Books, movies should reflect how people truly behave. edit: I find creating movies to only have the “correct” behavior just as bad as banning books because they have unpleasant topics. It’s crappy behavior by a character, but sometimes we need that crappy behavior to teach our kids.
Fenchurch 1 year ago (edited)
Yes, but then it shouldn't be in a "romance" Do you see that promoting that as romantic and the way to get the girl is the problem?
Load More Replies...When we got in touch with Embarrassed-Toe-1920 to learn more about her now-viral post, she reiterated that its roots lie within that Adam Sandler production.
"The question popped into my head when I was deciding what movie I should watch this week," she told Bored Panda.
"I remembered my disappointment with Just Go With It from the previous weekend, and as a woman who has cringed at many sexist films in my lifetime, I just knew my fellow Redditors would have fun with this topic. It's always refreshing when women have a safe space to vent!"
#3
It still baffles me how many women were involved in the making of What Women Want. It should be called What Men Think Women Want. It is so so so so stupid.
cerinamroth 1 year ago
I agree it is a ridiculous portrayal, but I still love Bette Midler's scene as the therapist!
Sergio Bicerra 1 year ago
'You might find this a little unorthodox but do you mind if I smoke?"
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Matt Du 1 year ago
Made worse by the fact that it was directed by a woman, 2/3rd of the writers were women and 3/5th of the producers were women and the main production company behind it was majority owned by a women. You can see the same in the MCU with the Marvels where they pampered to making a movie that would appeal to the opposite sex, to the point that it became laughably stupid and a box office bomb.
Katie Allen 1 year ago
How could Bette Midler stomach being in the same movie with that bigot?
Couragetcd 1 year ago
This was the first movie that came to mind when I read the title of this.
Fred L. 1 year ago
Fun fact (or rather not): They made a belated semi-sequel/reboot "What Men Want" in 2019.
Julie S 1 year ago
I watched this way too much swearing in it for me and yet the original film didn't have any swearing.
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This reminds me of the woman who wrote about male only writing rooms, she cited an episode of a crime drama where the inspector declared that the k*ller must have redressed the female victim because her "bra and panties don't match". And her underwear was really expensive, at least $20 for her bra alone!
Multa Nocte 1 year ago
That happened on Columbo once. Columbo knew the killer was a man because after the woman was killed, the killer put the victim's underwear back on wrong side out.
arthbach 1 year ago
That's a very different situation. In the example above, an erroneous conclusion was drawn because of a male assumption that women always wear matching bras and knickers. We don't. The bra I wear is determined by the colour of top I choose. A light coloured top will result in a beige bra, and a dark top will have a black bra under it. The same goes for my knickers - beige for light colours, and black for darker colours. And $20 for a bra gets the cheapest bras from a mid range shop; most definitely not expensive at all. This shows a basic lack of understanding and knowledge about women and their clothing.
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cadena kuhn 1 year ago
Csi Miami they knew they she was redressed by a killer from out of state cause no women wears stockings on a night out in Florida. I'm in Florida and have never not worn stockings
Andrew Keir 1 year ago
... but I do wonder what we're happily doing these days, that our grandchildren will revile us for ...
Despite the $1.4bn success of Barbie, last year's top 100 movies had just 30 female leads or co-leads, the worst result since 2014, a new study by the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative found.
Dr. Stacy L Smith, the head of research, said in a statement that this is a catastrophic step backward for girls and women in film.
The study's authors said, “We cannot explain the collapse,” calling it "an industry failure."
#5
Basically every single James Bond movie ever.
zims 1 year ago
The one where a woman comes up to him in a bar, tells him she was a child sex slave and is still enslaved, then he breaks into her room and accosts her in the shower. SoOoOoOo sexy. Especially the part where he gets her killed a few hours later because he never went to therapy! And looks at her dead body and complains the glass she dropped was a waste of good whiskey! Do men really find this guy fun?
Ace 1 year ago
You're not supposed to _like_ him. If you read the books he's a thoroughly unpleasant character. Suave and sophisticated maybe, but he is a professional killer, after all.
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Do you mean the glistening meat in bikinis Bond occasionally amuses himself with in between shooting people? Bummer when they get shot too (oopsie) and he has to find new bikini meat cause there’s 40 min left on the runtime.
Beak Hookage 1 year ago
Apparently per word of Ian Fleming Bond was always *supposed* to be a womanising sociopath. He tried to hammer it in by publishing "The Spy Who Loved Me" but it didn't work.
Júlia Fortes 1 year ago
its fun cause James Bond is supposed to be a a*****e, and you shoudn't like him. The fact that a bunch of guys made him the "alpha male" and a role model show exactly what the author wanted to criticize. Is just like in American Psycho and The Boys
Julie S 1 year ago
There's a scene in Goldfinger with Pussy Galore (Honour Blackman) where I think they are in a barn and she is fighting him and trying to get away and James Bond picks her up throws her down on some hay and they end up having séx. They have now said that this scene is basically rape.
KatSaidWhat 1 year ago
This post from someone who never read the Fleming books. Dude is a killer by trade. Of course he drinks and womanises. he's a spy, not a tailor.
Nimitz 1 year ago (edited)
The last one was actually great! Ana De Armas literally twirls in, bats her eyes at 007, talks about how it's only her 3rd week and seems like a huge foil. Then she dances around being the most useful sidekick in Bond history, flirts with him more, then flounces off set to live safely ever after. For the first time ever they didn't quietly kill her in the background as a plot point, she was just there, super awesome, didn't sleep with, and left.
#6
The episode of Ted Lasso in Amsterdam, where Rebecca falls into a canal, goes into the houseboat of the man who helped her out, showers there, and ends up sleeping there. The whole time I was thinking “what MAN wrote this?!” In what universe would an adult woman go into the home of a complete stranger and feel comfortable enough to shower, let alone spend the night?!
sturmwesen 1 year ago
to be fair... when I was young(er) / single I would do similar stupid s**t in hindsight
Susie Elle 1 year ago
For me this was not very different than hooking up with someone after a night out. People do that all the time, too.
Jaya 1 year ago (edited)
I have done that many times though, in my 20s. Not the falling into a canal, but sleeping over at some dude's house, either as a one night stand, or just as a way to crash so I didn't have to take the last train home. And I'm a woman, and I think most of my female friends have done this too.
#7
Just watched an old episode of the original Star Trek where a woman somehow switched bodies with Captain Kirk against his will as a way to take over his command/life. The way the crew was convinced that the apparent Captain Kirk wasn’t himself was summed up by Scotty: “I’ve never before seen the Captain red-faced with hysteria.” God damn.
T'Mar of Vulcan 1 year ago
Except Janice Lester was crazy. She was convinced Starfleet didn't want her because she was a woman. But it's because she was nuts.
CP 1 year ago
If there is one thing I know about the Star Trek universe, is that it is inclusive.
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William Teach 1 year ago
Chill. It was the late 1960s. Times were different. Though, to be honest, watching some old monster movies, which I love, kinda annoys me with all the women screaming hysterically, such as the Creature From the Black Lagoon. Doesn't hold up today.
Bill Swallow 1 year ago
'Turnabout Intruder'. The very last episode of the original series. They knew they were canceled and no one cared any more. A very sad, and very cringeworthy, ending to the show.
Roythomass@hotmail.com 1 year ago
Shut up and leave scotty alone ya bunch of red faced hysterically loons
john doe 1 year ago
TOS has a lot of flavor of the day in it, tho the show is about as progressive as a show from the late 1960's could be ie first interracial kiss and the depiction of black characters in positions of power. It does have some problems by today's standards. My favorite and I can't remember the exact episodes but it is at the very end of the episode, an attractive female crew person brings a tablet for Kirk to sign, he signed it lookes her up and down looks at her behind as she walks away, then smirks to Dr McCoy and spock and Kirk and McCoy laugh as the episode ends with a freeze frame. I thought it was such a creeper thing but it was hella common back then.
Bill Swallow 1 year ago
Quite a statement, considering it's up against 'Spock's Brain', 'The Omega Glory', 'And the Children Shall Lead', 'Way to Eden', and a few others. Just sayin', it's a tight race.
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Audiences definitely pick up on it. "Some common stereotypes or tropes that stand out to me are that women are not an important part of the plot or only serve as eye candy in the film," Embarrassed-Toe-1920 told us.
"I am also so sick of seeing the stereotype that a woman can either have a career or have a family and social life. I'm currently watching Ugly Betty, and the male magazine executive (Daniel) has a thriving career and 1,000 booty-call girls, meanwhile the female executives (Wilhemina and Alexis) have almost no social life outside of work. Work is their life."
"Stop saying that women can either have a career or have a social life. If men can have both then we can too. We shouldn't have to work twice as hard just to achieve the same career level that men can with half the work," she added.
#8
My ex and I rewatched the first National Treasure movie last year and it was...rough. The treatment of Diane Kruger's character was downright criminal.
She plays an archivist working in the f*****g National Archives, a bona fide professional in her field, but once she gets wrapped up in the (from her perspective, INSANE) hunt for the Declaration of Independence she's treated like a child. I can't count the number of times the two male leads share a look and shake their head in response to DK's character asking questions. They just oozed "aww isn't she cute, she's trying so hard to keep up" energy. The infantilization was crazy.
Luke Branwen 1 year ago
"You're an educated expert in your field, and I'm a man, so that means our knowledge about the topic is basically equal."
RedHairedDragon 1 year ago
Now, I haven't seen that movie in ages, but isn't that the whole premise of the movie? She is a professional, and questions everything the Cage tells her because it's actually bonkers? It's not "she doesn't understand", it's "she refuses to accept the weird things he keeps saying as truth, since he has no proof at all"
David Morgan 1 year ago
He's only right because it's a movie - in any other circumstance, he's an insane conspiracy theorist, not an acknowledged expert. In The X-Files, the writers had the sense to make Scully right fairly often - it isn't ALWAYS the extreme explanation that's right just because it is SOMETIMES.
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Passengers, and if you can't tell that Chris Pratt is absolutely evil in that movie, you're definitely not safe to be around. And tbh, I've heard the "he picked the wrong girl obviously " argument, and it also reeks of predatory male privilege.
zims 1 year ago
Someone suggested recutting it as a horror film, framing it so the movie starts when she wakes up and slowly starts showing flashbacks of his time awake. It sounds cool that way.
Rachel Pelz 1 year ago
Watched the movie with my daughter and all the time I thought there was a noise the spaceship made. Didn't stop after the movie though. It was my husband snoring :) ...and that's all I choose to remember about this movie.
Crouching hippo hidden panda 1 year ago
This. I found this film so disturbing, and so unrealistic that she lives happily ever after with the scumbag alone in space until they die
CP 1 year ago
A person wakes up all alone on a spaceship for months or years (I can't remember the timeline of the movie) and you expect them to stay normal? The guy was lonely. Yes what he did was wrong, but he just filled a basic human need. Companionship. From our perspective it is easy to see why it is wrong, but put yourself in the shoes of a lonely human. I would expect a women to do the same thing in that situation.
William Teach 1 year ago
Yeah, I watched this once, and have no care to watch it a second time. Pratt's character was awful, even maybe evil, for doing what he did. I managed to finish it, but, perhaps if I hadn't actually rented it on Bluray and was streaming it free I would have stopped watching.
Mariele Scherzinger 1 year ago
The film was slammed because of this. And yes, what he did was wrong. But we also get to see why he did it. I personally saw it as an interesting moral dilemma, which is addressed in the film; its wrongness is the reason for the couple's falling out. (It's also about surviving on a space ship that is struggling to fly through an asteroid field.)
#10
Anything with 90% of men being the protagonist and the overly-objectified women who are only there as love interests.
CanadianDimes 1 year ago
Oceans 11 drove me nuts because of this. It was a great heist movie on its own and they should have left out the whole 'romantic' subplot with Julia Roberts' character. She was literally just a prize to be won by George Clooney's character. She didn't have any real desires or motivations of her own. She should have ditched her casino owner boyfriend, given Clooney's character the finger, and gone off to live her own life.
Crouching hippo hidden panda 1 year ago
Oh god you just reminded me of the cringy scene where she pretends to be her real self as a look alike until Bruce Willis blows the whistle/ so dumb and unnecessary
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Chich 1 year ago
I don't know what Hollywood's problem is but there always has to be some love interest angle. Could be a movie about space traveling coal miners chasing a gang of cut throat rodeo clowns and there *has* to be this side plot.
Jaya 1 year ago
To be fair, 90% of the time the men in romantic comedies are also overly-objectified men who are only there as love interests.
However, the woman who initiated the discussion acknowledged that some of these pitfalls are due to a lack of skill, which carries over to other genders as well.
"While female characters are often poorly written in movies, so are male characters," the Redditor said. "And the messages that male characters may send to an impressionable young audience can be highly problematic. For example, in Ugly Betty, Betty breaks up with her boyfriend because he cheats on her and then he stalks her incessantly until she gets back together with him. Nowhere in the script is the stalking named for what it is or made clear that it's not appropriate," she explained.
"I wish the writers had made it more clear that stalking is more than a silly little subplot. I could go on forever, but honestly, I think the comments on the Reddit post are very enlightening. I was so glad to see that thousands of women related to the post and could easily list off movies that gave them a major ick at the obvious lack of female writers."
#11
Not a movie, but the S1 Supernatural episode [Home]
There is NO way in hell a woman would open up the house to a male stranger (much less TWO) who knocked on the door and asked to come in just because they "used to live there", and ESPECIALLY not when she has a young child with her at home too. WtaF.
Couragetcd 1 year ago
Yeah, I was bothered by that too. I can suspend belief for ghost hunting and demon banishing, but that was too stupid for real life to be a pass.
Sue 1 year ago
Well, most scary shows or movies have ALL the victims behaving stupidly. And if you have s*x, you get killed.
Cathy Roberts 1 year ago
Yeah but it's Supernatural. You have to pretty much suspend belief when you watch it, period. Like....THAT is what you found too far? Not the angel or the demons or shapeshifters, etc..
Jaya 1 year ago
Right, because naieve women don't exist at all? Women who feel barely any fear in general don't exist?
Helena 1 year ago
Lawrence ks is a college town. Two college age guys knock on your door and ask to come in, doesn't matter how naive you are, that is a forest of red flags.
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Pretty much every, manic-pixie-girl, who's a huge extrovert, lives an amazing action-packed life, inexplicably falls in love with the quiet, introverted guy who does nothing to show any value and she makes it her personal mission to bring him out of his shell. They're not always the manic-pixie aesthetic, but the concept is the same.
Bored Seb 1 year ago
I need to quote Cinema Therapy on this one (about The perk of being a wall flower) : "We have 9 millions of film with the manic pixie dream girl trope. Of bland white guy who gets woken up to the possibilities by a manic pixie dream girl. We need movies about bland black women getting woken up by manic pixie dream non-binary person. "
The Darkest Timeline 1 year ago
Not if we’re talking about deep, meaningful love. The kind of “irrational” love you’re talking about is fleeting and shallow.
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Dilly Dally 1 year ago
I'm an extrovert with an action-packed life. The guy I liked was the introverted dude. We were really happy together, and he really did come out of his shell, and sometimes I would go hide in my shell and we would just be little people reading books in the corner of a library or smth.
#13
Lemme add another pet peeve of mine. Strong women characters. When the strong woman character is written and she behaves like a man: fights like a man, is a tomboy, has interests in science or building things. These are things that men value and view as strong. These are female characters written by men imagining that what makes a strong woman is a woman who acts like a man. They are not what makes a strong woman.
ETA the strong woman who doesn't communicate or suffers in silence. Again...a man attempting to write a strong woman character and making them behave like a man.
Danielle 1 year ago
Kima in The Wire always annoyed me, she always felt that she was written as a man but the just made her a lesbian instead. I later read an interview where it confirmed that is EXACTLY what they did.
Carla Beck 1 year ago
My biggest pet peeve is that all the "strong female characters" seem to always have boys names, or names that shorten into boys names. Andi, Max, Sam, Alex, Jo. As if a woman couldn't be strong and be called Daisy or Wendy. I find it infuriating.
Fellfromthemoon 1 year ago
Because many women have interest in "masculine" things: sports, engineering, science, etc. I used to do aikido, and other (cishet) women also frequented the dojos. And not because their father wanted them to be able to protect themselves, but because thes LIKED it. I had a fantastic female shop class teacher, really handy with the saw and other tools. I work at a STEMI field, and many students and co-workers are women. Making her entire personality about liking "masculine" stuff, IN SPITE OF being a woman is the bad part.
Bill Swallow 1 year ago
So, tell me, OP, what is your opinion of Maj. Samantha Carter, USAF, specialist in Deep Space Radar Telemetry? (OK, I'll grant you the writers put enough cringe into her lines in the first couple of episodes to last the whole series, but fortunately, they seem to have had that beaten out of them fairly quickly.) Or for another set of examples, Cmdr. Susan Ivanova, Delenn, Na'toth, Lyta Alexander, etc.
Lola July 1 year ago
Part of a woman's strength is her ability to listen, be vulnerable and still be courageous through adversity. We are better able to communicate, which many men fear, so they denigrate it as a defect. Saying we talk too much, we can problem solve and still have a soft side. Get over it.
#14
I haven’t seen the whole thing but just the premise of The Switch and knowing they end up together anyway is revolting to me. I had to stop watching it.
Him switching the semen to his own in the cup she’s gonna use for insemination must be some form of a*sault if not r*pe adjacent. And obviously the movie wants it to be this romantic thing that it was his son all along when it’s actually horrifying that he overrode her choice and made her have his child instead. (I don’t care that the character is drunk as he replaced the semen. When she finds out and loves it instead of running for the hills is disgusting.).
Luke Branwen 1 year ago
I've never heard of this movie, and for the sake of my sanity, I'll keep pretending it doesn't exist.
Rahul Pawa 1 year ago
Being so drunk you do something s****y to another person is a problem, not an excuse.
Having said all this, we felt like we had to give credit where credit was due, so we asked Embarrassed-Toe-1920 if she could remember a movie or TV show where the writers had developed believable, well-rounded characters.
"A TV series that I really enjoyed was Glow, about the filming of a female wrestling show set in the 80s," she said. "The show was refreshing because it celebrates female friendship, and doesn't shy away from portraying harassment that male Hollywood executives engage in against women."
#15
I can't imagine any Adam Sandler movies holding up especially well tbh .
CP 1 year ago
I think his dramatic work is good. I have never been a fan of his comedies.
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Nikki Martinez 1 year ago
They are supposed to be dumb. I love Billy Madison! So f*cking stupid.
Susie Elle 1 year ago (edited)
I liked You're So Not Invited To My Bat Mitzvah, to be honest. Probably because both his daughters and his wife have a role in it.
Gozer LeGozerian 1 year ago
At least he's also taking the p**s out of himself and other male characters
ॐBoyGanesh 1 year ago
50 First Dates! Rewatch it from the perspective of the female lead. Terrifying. That Drew was secretary of not more involved in the making of it says so much.
#16
As much as I enjoy M.A.S.H. I still find myself thinking about how it was played as a funny prank to set an officer up to sexually a*sault Margaret Houlihan.
Wingsofwrath 1 year ago
Which is shy there's a marked change once Loretta Swit had more to say about her character's portrayal and I enjoy the latter episodes a lot more, even though they tend to be a lot less comedic and more tragi-comic.
Daniel Atkins 1 year ago
Agree she was more interesting as a character once Frank was gone and she was no longer just out to get Hawkeye and company.
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BrunoVI 1 year ago
NONE of what happens in M*A*S*H is OK. Ever notice how classist it is? Apart from being a supposedly brilliant doctor, Hawkeye Pierce is absolutely, positively a disgusting human being, but be's presented as the kind, sensitive, nurturing, loving person. Meanwhile, to be good enough to be seen as human, an enlisted man has to literally have magical powers of precognition and anticipating every need.
Cathleen Cummings 1 year ago
HATE this film. Really misogynist piece of c**p I have ever seen -- and that includes all the Sean Connery/Roger Moore Bond films.
Panda Panda Bo Banda 1 year ago
MASH was definitely problematic at first but to their credit they got better and became a leader of socially conscious TV.
Cathy Roberts 1 year ago (edited)
You think that's bad you should see the movie the series was based on...... as mentioned below, Loretta Swit did a LOT for that character.
Kurt Frohloff 1 year ago
OMFG!! This was a TV show that aired from 1972-1983. Times were WAY different. I’m not saying they were right, or that I agree with it, but for gods sake, stop comparing TV and movies from half a century ago to now. There is simply zero comparison. Take the show for what it was…. A dramatic comedy, loosely based on the Korean war, that has been documented to have helped or given hope to those that returned from the actual war. Grow up and move on!
#17
Knocked Up. Let's break down the numerous reasons why I think Judd Apatow did not consult with a single woman before writing a movie about something that deeply affects women:
The main character is a hot, mid-twenties woman who just landed her dream job. Other than thinking her nieces are cute, we get no information about how she feels about parenting. She never says she longs to be a mother. She seems extremely focused on her new career in the entertainment industry.
Suddenly she's impregnated by Seth Rogan after a one night stand. She seems to *loathe* this man. Like cannot stand him for longer than a couple minutes. And his character is written to be so gross and obnoxious, it makes sense no woman would want to be around him. But of course, since this movie about pregnancy centers on a man, he goes from annoying and disgusting to "not" and that's the major arc of the movie. He's also *horrible* to her as a partner and expectant father, which is simply glossed over.
Everyone in this woman's life tells her not to have this baby. Her mom and sister are very stressed out for her, her mom even urges her to have an abortion. Other than sit there with a stupid look on her face, the pleas of her family have no effect on her. She also has to hide the pregnancy from all her friends AND everyone at work, lest she be fired (wow Judd, could have written an entire movie on this premise alone. Too bad the movie about pregnancy was just a vehicle for Seth Rogan jokes.)
The movie could have introduced the female lead as a devout Catholic, which would have explained why she was not only against abortion, but also wasn't using birth control. She could have been 15-20 years older and always wanted a child but was too wrapped up in her career. We could have opened the movie with her leaving her husband or long term partner after they reach an impasse about having children or not. S**t, the story could have taken place in a state with restrictive abortion laws instead of California. But no. We get absolutely no reasoning for why this woman would make such an extreme and life changing decision.
Sue User 1 year ago (edited)
Dont forget the " uptight career driven woman learns what is really valuable in life" trope.
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The Darkest Timeline 1 year ago (edited)
A devout Catholic not using birth control or wanting to have an abortion but okay with pre-marital sex? Unfortunately, this is a real scenario where their own morality is situational.
WinterLady 1 year ago
The thing is, Judd Apatow's wife, Leslie Mann, should have spoke up. She does act as the female lead's sister.
#18
Pretty much every Judd Apatow movie.
Which k*lls me, because I find them genuinely funny a lot of the time, and they have some funny women in them. But women are either sexy dreamgirls, or mean mommies. They don't get the joke and they stop men from having fun. In Knocked Up, Katherine Heigl is supposed to be like an E! Tv reporter, and yet she doesn't get a Back to the Future reference?
Sue User 1 year ago
Sad. She left Greys and ended up in Knocked Up and that horrid one with Gerard Butler.
However, "My all-time favorite movie is Thelma & Louise," the Redditor added. "It tells the fictional story of two women on a road trip who each face their own struggles of being mistreated by men. This movie is very pro-woman and so refreshing amongst the sea of sexism in movies. I don't want to give too much away but I'll just say that I cried a lot and if you've never seen it before, Thelma & Louise is definitely worth your time."
#19
Love Actually.
BannedFromABoatShow 1 year ago
When it came out and everyone was raving about it I thought ok, I’ll watch it. Then every 5 minutes I’d think ok, maybe it’s just starting rough. Ok, maybe it catches its stride in the middle. Is this ever going to end?! Why do people like this!!!
Fire Singer 1 year ago
100% agree with you! So many people I know think this movie is so romantic and sweet and *swoon*. I cannot stand it. Whoever likes it all the power to you, you do you. But I will never be convinced to like it.
Load More Replies... arthbach 1 year ago
The best bit is the Prime Minister is trying to find Natalie.He is going door to door with his Welsh security officer. One child demands they sing carols, and the security officer sings most wonderfully. The very best bit is from a deleted scene - a child has to write about their Christmas wish, and he wishes to see fart bubbles.
Sue User 1 year ago (edited)
I found the part where Emma Thompson stays with her husband the worse.
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Toothless Feline 1 year ago
Every single character in this movie is a horrible person, and not in an entertaining way. I could accept that if there was a deep dramatic message underlying it, but no, it’s supposed to be a romantic comedy. Thoroughly unwatchable.
#20
Ghostbusters, specifically the manipulative creep that is Peter Venkman. Literally his entire character is that he is a sex pest that manipulates women into sleeping with him , from his first scene trying to hook up with a student through his entire romantic subplot that is just him using the fears of a distraught client to get into her pants.
WinterLady 1 year ago
But is this negative towards women. To me, it's making fun of womanizing, not making fun of women.
HTakeover 1 year ago
I mean, that was the whole basis of his character. He's in it all for the cheap thrills... women, money, gizmos, friends he can exploit. With some slight & temporary redemption with Sigourney's character in #2 and the between. Throughout all of the movies, he's a get-rich-quick guy.
Malakai 1 year ago
There are WAY too many comments that are comfy with handwaving the rape and sexual assault as "character arc" moments. You can have a sleazy, cheap thrills character WITHOUT making them a perverse creep with no understanding of consent. And no, refusing to take advantage of someone is not a good character arc--it is a done to death, white knight, misogynistic trope that just says the writer thinks not raping someone is heroic.
Gozer LeGozerian 1 year ago
Someone is downvoting because they're embarrassed they didn't get the point of his character AND IT SHOWS
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Just watched Daddy’s Home (Will Ferrel and Mark Wahlberg) with my parents. As someone who’s just coming out of an emotionally abusive relationship with a narcissist, I was floored by the amount of gaslighting played for comedy on display in that movie.
Both of those men were treating the wife character as an object to be won. It’s was pretty gross. If I was watching it on my own I would have turned it off 10 mins in.
#22
Supernatural
The sheer amount of times that the woman costars died instead of their male ones was enough that people started memeing it. And then the people in charge got all mad when we started shipping them with the other male characters. They've got no one to blame, but their own s****y writing.
Susie Elle 1 year ago
Rewatching it, I remember the female roles all except for two being protrayed by white women with the exact same body type.
Sue User 1 year ago
I stopoed watching after a few episodes. One episode not only didnt pass the Bechdel test, halfway through no woman had a speaking part other than serving the men ( i dont remember if it was ciffee pkace or diner ).
Load More Replies... Crouching hippo hidden panda 1 year ago
I really liked supernatural in the first few series, but yeah it got ridiculous for a lot of reasons
Katie Allen 1 year ago
some of the most sexist shows were written by women. It's basically being an uncle Tom
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I feel like this is basically every movie until "Clueless."
My boyfriend likes a lot of movies from the 70s and he's always watched them through a "filmmaker's eye" and never watched them with a woman. When we watch them together I always end up telling him how problematic the film is afterwards. I'm a bummer. But, it's not my fault - I didn't write this trash!
RP 1 year ago
Well Clueless is very roughly based on Jane Austin's Emma, so something in the DNA is good
Jill Rhodry 1 year ago
I'm going to have to rewatch it - I thought it was 12th night🤦🏻♀️
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#24
Knocked up. I always thought it was a horror film with a laugh track. Only men would find the plot humorous - having your life’s plans ruined by a one night stand with a loser. Abortion - abortion was an option. But that writers room clearly didn’t consider completely f*****g up a woman’s life as anything more serious than a funny plotline.
Bored Seb 1 year ago
Abortion is almost never bring as an option in any film. That makes me crazy everytime. Just mentionning abortion is a possibility, then quickly explain why, and you win 500% in credibility.
The Darkest Timeline 1 year ago
If she had an abortion, that wouldn’t forward the plot contrivance, now would it? Plus, having any serious mention of abortion gives the Christian right the sads and we can’t have that.
#25
Not a movie but some disney episodes make me turn my head. The Proud Family (one of my fav shows) has episodes I can’t event stomach. One in particular is “There’s something about renee”
The rundown essentially is Trudy (wife/mom) who works full time as a veterinarian, is the sole breadwinner AND takes care of the household is extremely tired. Her husband Oscar literally never helps with household work. She has a vet convention coming up and decides to hire a nanny (on her dime) to make sure the house isnt a s**t show while she’s away. Well, she gets nervous and returns early only to find that the new nanny has essentially replaced her role as a mom. All the kids and her husband like the nanny better and they pretty much forgets she exists. In the end, she has the nanny fired and comes back home to a messy house, all the family being demanding, but she’s happy again because her role as overworked mom has been restored. Literally nothing changes. Oscar still isn’t helping with the kids and the house is a disaster since no one cleans it but her. But she’s just so overjoyed and complete being the sole breadwinner at a stressful job AND taking care of the household solo when she returns.
OneWithRatsAndKefir 1 year ago
I’ve seen a few reviews about this show on YT and it just sounds like it’s awkwardly failing to spread its own inclusive message? If I remember correctly, there’s some Asian triplets that are heavily stereotyped, the main character’s friends don’t seem to actually seem to like her, the nerdy girl is usually the butt of some joke, et cetera.
#26
"There's Something About Mary" Just watched it this morning and that exact thought kept popping up
everytime a joke was made.
The Darkest Timeline 1 year ago
To be fair, none of the characters in the “gross-out comedy” genre are ever fully fleshed out. These movies are always about getting cheap laughs at anyone and everyone’s expense.
#27
Ready Player One was a major one for me - I mean, the book alone already gives me the ick but the whole "All my problems are fixed because I'm finally loved even though I'm soooo ugly!!" s**t from the protagonist's love interest was especially ridiculous in the movie, considering that they gave her a tiny, faded red mark, which you couldn't even SEE in most scenes because of the lightning.
Ace 1 year ago
Don't underestimate how much knowing that someone truly loves you can mean. (Haven't seen the movie, but still).
Panda Panda Bo Banda 1 year ago
The cringe is that she was portrayed as ugly and unlovable due to a small birthmark on her face.
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Katie Allen 1 year ago
listen to the podcast 372 pages we'll never get back. They completely and hilariously trash the original book. It's done by Mike Nelson from MST3K and this other guy
#28
Indecent Proposal. Hated, hated, hated the movie. Woman goes with the old rich guy. 🤮.
XenoMurph 1 year ago
Hundreds of thousands (millions??) of women go with the old rich guy, for MUCH less money, every day. The world is evil.
Any 1 year ago (edited)
humbugonastick never wrote it was unrealistic....
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I watched the first few minutes of American Pie: Girls Rules and turned it off because it was so blatantly written by men and i was not about to subject myself to an hour and a half of a stupid movie written by stupid men about ***adolescent female sexuality***. like, just f**k no. i didn't even bother with googling the writers, it was THAT obvious. a critic also said the same thing.
Rahul Pawa 1 year ago
I do wish there was an example from the movie given of what it made it so bad in regards to how women are portrayed. I can probably guess though.
Dumb teenager 1 year ago
It’s the website that censors stuff automatically, not the writers censoring it themselves.
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This might be an unpopular opinion, but it’s how I feel about Scott Pilgrim. I won’t deny that it’s a really well-made movie overall. However, I’ve always struggled with *why* Ramona Flowers suddenly becomes so interested in Scott Pilgrim. What does she see in him? That aspect of the story felt a little too rooted in the male gaze for me.
zims 1 year ago
She has notoriously bad taste in men. And some people just like to be liked. Or don't know how to function outside of a relationship.
Sandra Angulo 1 year ago
Yeah that’s a pretty big plot point. I like the movie, but I don’t think Scott is a good guy either. Throughout the film his roommate, his sister, and whoever Aubrey Plaza was to him continuously call him out for dating a girl in high school and then treating her like c**p. They basically call him an eff boi the entire movie.
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ScootyPuffJr 1 year ago
Agreed. And as much as I like Michael Cera, he wasn't the right fit for Pilgrim. Pilgrim is a bad a*s fighter in the comics.
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Poor Things, for so many reasons.
Equal_Tumbleweed_556:
THANK YOU! That movie felt like a 3 hour sequence of triggers and rage bait. And the gaslighting in the reviews! "You don't understand, it's actually a very feminist movie 🤓" Miss me with that bs. Unlike the protagonist, I have a functioning adult brain of my own, thank you very much. Sorry for the rant, I'm just so glad I'm not alone with this! All the best to you
Lara Verne 1 year ago
And I loved it. Because it was movie about growing up and realizing that main character owes nothing to men.
Ms. Mack 1 year ago
And she demands and has agency over her own body. I loved this movie so much.
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Graham_Illegal 1 year ago
Wow! Calling a different interpretation of art "gaslighting" is a next-level logical fallacy. It implies that they believe they are objectively right, and anyone with a different opinion is intentionally manipulating them into thinking otherwise for some malicious reason, rather than simply reading a story differently. Do we really need to break down why this is so problematic?
Cathy Roberts 1 year ago
Have not seen it but I'm always turned off by the "I'm not a feminist feminist because I have a real brain" argument, which usually amounts to MAGA women who are, indeed, independent, but in a very "being like a man is the only way Daddy would approve of me" kind of way.
Júlia Fortes 1 year ago
never watched the movie, but had my friend explaining all of it to me. The whole thing of her freeing herself having sex is so weird. Not just the pedophilia, but also the only way to free herself was... being with men? Its just a feminism wannabe made by men to pretend they are liberals and understand anything about my body my choice
Panda Panda Bo Banda 1 year ago
And it was really bad even without that. Like, just plain bad. I think most people are just afraid to admit they don't like it.
BrunoVI 1 year ago
Pretty sure the point of the movie was to normalize pedophilia. Not having seen it, I could be open to the notion that it's a deliberate subversion of the "born yesterday" trope, but the marketing makes that relatively hard to believe.
Ms. Mack 1 year ago
It is explained in the movie and the book that her brain is developing at an accelerated rate, so she is an adult brain in an adult body when she chooses to have sex.
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I just watched the Jennifer Lawrence movie where she is a 30 something year old who takes up a families offer to date their 18 (19? But between high school and college son) and try to seduce him for sex so she can get a car. Like wtf. If the roles had been reversed and it was a 30 year old man being set up kidnapping an 18 year old virgin in their van this movie... idk. Just yuck. Felt like a movie where producers/directors/writers just wanted to find a way to show J Law naked.
Yvonne Dauwalder Balsiger 1 year ago
IMO they make it very clear that this is wrong and creepy behavior. He is scared (who wouldn't be?) and pepper sprays her, it's not like he gives in to Lawrence. Lawrence is not playing a decent character and the movie makes this obvious. All her seduction scenes are extra cringe and not sexy at all
#33
Sucker Punch. I genuinely don’t care if people like the vibes of it now, it is such an obvious male fantasy that it made me sick watching it when I was younger. Ironic love of it or not, they were not intentionally going for camp.
detective miller's hat 1 year ago
I LOVE Emily Browning, but yeah that film was absolute rubbish.
#34
Chef.
I always loved how John Favro droned on about "Staging" in REAL kitchens because he wanted the movie to be sooooo authentic, and then he shoehorned in the fact that both Scarlet Johansson and Sophia Vergara's characters' just found him so irresistibly sexy that they couldn't control themselves.
You know, for the authentic realism, because every drop dead gorgeous woman I know is just dying to find a man who looks like a 50 year old John Favro, but has no money or fame.
Epona 1 year ago
I got confused by the spelling of his name too. I thought it sounded familiar but couldn't quite recall the proper spelling. Looked it up to confirm. It’s Favreau!
Load More Replies... Júlia Fortes 1 year ago
the looks aren't everything ofc, but i think that its a part of it since your personality is not printed on your face. Also, being financially stable is a very important, people pretend it don't but no one here is living a movie
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#35
Catch and Release, starring Jennifer Garner and Timothy Oliphant, which is also a Kevin Smith film. It came out after he'd done really fun and interesting work with Clerks, Dogma, etc.
The premise is that Jennifer Garner's fiancé dies right before they're going to marry, and she discovers she knew nothing about him (he had a kid with another woman who she found out about at the funeral or something... it's been a while). I'm pretty sure she moves in with his friends. Anyway, Timothy Oliphant is visiting as an old friend of the fiancé and he knew all of the secrets, and he's aggressively dickish to her and a bit of a player. Lots of drama, TO is the love interest despite there being no way that makes sense.
What made it clear that this wasn't written by a woman is that JG has absolutely no support of her own. She doesn't couch surf with her own friends or move into her childhood bedroom. She's supposedly all twisted up in grief and anger but doesn't vent to a single girlfriend. Even though TO is the guy she gets involved with, I'm pretty sure at least one of the other guys also thinks he's in love with her... despite the fact that her fiancé JUST died and they were HIS friends. JG is super likable in general, but her character is more like a sketch than a full human being, and yet she's also the main character. It's just disappointing.
That said, I also remember thinking the film was absolutely beautiful. Like the settings, the way it was shot, gorgeous. Just completely empty of how a real woman would be or what she would do.
Faminerst Anstemal 1 year ago
It's written and directed by Susannah Grant. Kevin Smith only acted in it.
Shannon Donnelly 1 year ago
Never did understand how Timothy Olyphant becomes her love interest in this when he comes off right from the beginning as such a creepy a*****e. And his whole supposed arc through the movie to "I'm really not an a*****e but a nice guy" is a total flop. The scenery is absolutely gorgeous though.
#36
Dumb and Dumber is so creepy that I can say that Lloyd Christmas is an incel. His character lies, manipulates, and steals in order to stalk a woman he barely knows across thousands of miles. He fantasizes multiple times about m*rdering other men because he's super insecure and possessive of Mary Swanson. After encouraging the main villain to shoot his best friend out of jealousy, he finally learns that Mary has a husband. He then fantasizes about grabbing a cop's gun and shooting the husband several times as Mary screams, and this is completely played straight. Then he snaps out of his violent fantasy and slinks away (because he's threatened by other men).
Like, *holy s**t* this movie is awful. But they f*****g love it on r/movies and have downvoted me every time I've brought this up.
EDIT: I forgot, he is also nearly r*ped in a gas station bathroom by another man, and this is played for laughs. The movie is really bad.
#37
Any movie with a sex scene, really. Where they have simultaneous PIV orgasms.
#38
Anything written by Quentin Tarantino - he's created some kick-a*s female characters but he's also created some 1-dimensional ones that sound exactly like him - and he *always* manages to get a prolonged shot of their feet in there.
Je souhaite 1 year ago
Dunno his female characters are usually strong independent women who don't take no c**p much more refreshing than the whiney, helpless victim, can't do anything without a man, female mentality you see in so many other films.
#39
Time Traveler’s Wife- Eric Bana appears in front of a child version of Rachel McAdams’ character multiple times (in the nude btw) and tells her about how she’s going to end up married to him in the future. At least she does call him out on the manipulation when she’s an adult, but it’s still icky. The book the movie was based on was written by a woman, so maybe it plays out differently in the book.
CanadianDimes 1 year ago
It doesn't play out differently in the book; it's just as disturbing there. The best review I ever read of the book was that the author had accidentally written a great book about a girl being groomed by a sexual predator. I do not understand why people think it's so romantic. It's gross, abusive, and glorifies co-dependence.
Ace 1 year ago
Not seen the film, but when I read the book many years ago I don't think "romantic" describes it at all.
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Hmn, I have to disagree on this one. The male character (I don't remember their names) time travels involuntarily, and at various stage of his life. The one constant is arriving in some sort of proximity to the female character, at a random point in her life. So child him meets child her, teen her and adult her. Teen him meets etc etc for all variations of their ages. This isn't an adult grooming a child, because they both know what is happening. The adult version of the male can tell the child version of the female that they WILL be together, not in an attempt to engineer it, but because he knows they will be together since it already happened to him (if not to her at that moment in HER life). The nudity is also involuntary, and the male character always attempts to cover back up, it's just not always possible depending on where and when they arrived. I think child groomers are scum, but this character isn't one.
Rachel Pelz 1 year ago
He travels in time, both past and future, but can't control when and where to this happens. So the adult version of him (from the future) meets the child version of her several timed. Don't remember him telling her they'll get married in the book though. But I do remember her rejecting any other man after he dies (related to hs time-traveling). She waits (like saves herself) for decades just to get that two-second glimpse of him, which he told her she'd get as an old lady.
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PeriMeNope 1 year ago
The book has him naked in front of the kid, too. I guess I'm in the minority because I really enjoyed the book. Haven't seen the movie because I'm not a fan of Eric Bana.
Penguin Panda Pop 1 year ago
Love the casual sexism that a woman couldn't possibly have written it that way.
#40
Hot tub Time Machine, but it’s not like I was expecting interesting plot or social commentary… it was still just soo bad.
The whole plot of “if only i could go back to high school and do it all over again, I wouldn’t be a loser” (it’s not being useless, it’s the world that worked against you!)
The married dudes story is the worst, he traumatized his future wife by calling and yelling at her in the past. Gets back to the future and he’s married, she didn’t cheat, and she took his name. They even reference the call when she was a child. Like he owns her life.
#41
Not the worst on this list, but Bladerunner 2049. The women they bothered to have on screen were literally disposable objects.
(The original wasn’t much better.).
#42
Naruto. There's a pervert who creeps on girls at the waterfall played for laughs. Including the main character (male) morphing into a naked girl using shape change powers as the only way to make the mentor pay attention. Also just terrible writing of the female characters (and that's from fans who ignore the other part).
_-DungeonKeeper-_ 1 year ago
Japan is unhinged. I kinda-recently finished the entire Danganronpa series. Spike Chunsoft is obsessed with "Let's make highly concerning scenes of questionably aged female characters!" And the entire series is based of of of high school kids
Kari Panda 1 year ago
Tbf, the male characters aren’t exactly written better. So many characters dropped just to include more and more new characters. So much potential wasted…
Júlia Fortes 1 year ago
in general, they only have two female characters: the weak (or the one that doesnt know her powers) that everyone likes, and the strong girls that is anoying as hell. And when they tried to fix it in Boruto making a decent female character everybody hated it. Its just about the anime comunity now
Lara Verne 1 year ago
Not that male characters were written any better. Some of their reasoning makes me scratch my head.
#43
Not the worst offender by far, but on a recent rewatch I was kinda shocked at how patronizing and at times outright misogynistic the Indiana Jones movies are. I never clocked that when I watched them as a child. But Jesus, I had to do a double take when it was implied that he slept with his love interest in the past when she was underage and his student. Like, I am sorry WTF did you just say?
Libstak 1 year ago
Wait, no she was the daughter of a fellow professor, his close friend. Also, he was a university lecturer, even in the 1930s the students would have been over 18. She was on a dig with her dad though, so I never assumed she was a student at all.
PFD 1 year ago
Karen Allen (Marion) said she imagined that she was 16 (and also that she didn't think of it as predatory; "different times"). George Lucas originally wanted it to be "a real strange relationship" where "[Indy] had an affair with her when she was eleven. After pushback, he suggested she should have been 15, him 25, because "it’s an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she’s sixteen or seventeen it’s not interesting anymore."
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#44
Idk if this counts because it’s a series but The English on Prime. Did no one actually study how women lived in England in the 1800’s? Why is a woman of the peerage (sp?) wandering around the Wild West of America all by her lonesome? Where are her servants? Even when they cut scene to where she’s in her family home in London, there’s like one guy tending the whole manor. There’s a stranger (an evil man with low status who went on a rampage in the West) that comes to their house and then they talk IN HER ROOM(which never would have happened).
I was left thinking that they never actually thought about this, AT ALL. No woman of their right mind would have been by themselves unless they grew up in that environment and knew how to protect themselves. And the indigenous man just lets her go on her way knowing she barely knows how to shoot a gun but , “oh by the way she’s great with a bow so that works better” 🙄.
cerinamroth 1 year ago
I haven't seen the series but have a read about Isabella Bird. Noblewoman who said eff this to her parents' idea of who she should marry and went travelling around the world instead. Her travel writings in Japan are particularly good. I love the scene where she imagines her parents' horror when she finds herself hoiking up her skirts and being carried across a raging torrent by a buff, half-naked Japanese dude. Good for her, I say!
#45
I watched Old School with my partner a while ago (rolling my eyes the entire time), and when it got to the scene where the women were actively interested in lessons on how to give BJs, I just lost my s**t. Like ANY woman would be interested in that - it was clearly some male fantasy b******t.
Toothless Feline 1 year ago
There actually are women interested in learning such skills. They’re nowhere near as common as Hollywood writers would have us believe, but they do exist, and they’re even not all prostitutes! Don’t make the mistake of thinking that all women feel the same way about anything.
Mini Muppet 1 year ago
Why would not a woman be interested in pleasing their partner? Just because you don't, quite a few do.
#46
I have a tv show. Though I enjoyed it until like most fans season 8, I'm going to say Game Of Thrones t. v. adaptation. Which they made even more sexist and vulgar than the book. The books G. R. R. M. had history as a reason and the books are very good. The show much was added, changed, and gratuitous. The ending says it all.
XenoMurph 1 year ago
GRR M wasn't wrong. Women were treated terribly in history, and not in history. Especially during war. GOT did focus on well developed female MAIN characters. Would be interesting to look at male/female dialogue/screen time. The ending was what was planned from day one. But you are right the series did it all so badly. how can 6 seasons of foreshadowing of Arya being a super assassin, and Dany being borderline psychopath, become surprising and seemingly against character.
Helena 1 year ago
When exactly in history did dragons exist? It is fantasy, no friggin reason for all the rape and abuse
Graham_Illegal 1 year ago
Please help me understand why this type of criticism has been coming up frequently lately, while other forms of cruelty — such as homicide, war, child neglect or even torture — are still acceptable in shows and movies. What’s the logic behind this? Is rape considered a learned behavior influenced by pop culture, while other forms of violence are not?
Load More Replies... Tommy DePaul 1 year ago (edited)
Because you have mentioned GOT, let me ask: is no one going to mention General Hospital? The whole Luke/Laura romance began with Luke's rape of Laura and ended with their celebrity wedding!
#47
50 first dates.
#48
Wonder Woman 2017. Wonder Woman is a super hero in her own right but it took the death of her man to unleash her full potential and defeat evil. The movie literally defined her powers as it related to a man in her life. I almost walked out.
Sue User 1 year ago
Which just buys into the trope of " tragic back story helps woman be a badass".
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zims 1 year ago
I hated the line "He tells me what to do and I do it." "Where I come from that's called slavery." No, where you come from that's called following orders. Your mother is a queen, your aunt is a general, you yourself are a princess. There were assistants, soldiers, aides, attendants, and probably even servants living on your island. Why would you see a woman working for a man and jump straight to slave? Answer: the writers wanted to shove something in about women's suffrage and wildly overcompensated, degrading all working women in the process.
TotallyNOTAFox 1 year ago (edited)
A scene I dislike is when she tells Charlie to stay with the words "Who is going to play for us?" - I get it, it's there to show how kind she is and that she motivates others. But for f♥♥♥s sake, that guy has heavy PTSD and is probably only one step away from oral intimacy with his pistol. A real power move would have been if she told him to go home because he saw enough horrors already (Not to mention that he's not combat ready anymore from a military perspective)
Fire Singer 1 year ago
YES! Thank you! I have said this so much and people think I'm nuts. So I figured, maybe I am nuts and reading too much into it. But that's exactly how i felt about this movie.
PeriMeNope 1 year ago
Well, I didn't see the movie in the same way as the OP. I was her as having enough and finally just letting her power fully materialize. I absolutely love this movie.
#49
Pretty much any stoner comedy. I very much enjoy turning off my brain and watching Grandma's Boy but the only female character is such a Cool Girl.
#50
How I met your mother.
ElfVibratorGlitter 1 year ago
Right? And I met your mom, she was great, now she's dead, and here's Robin.
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Dude, Where's My Car?
Watched that when I was younger, remember little about it. Rewatched it last year and God, it was terrible.
Panda Panda Bo Banda 1 year ago
You can't blame a movie for being stupid when it was trying to be stupid.
#52
Anything and everything based on the trope where the scrub at best but often more s****y guy gets the dream girl with minimal to no effort or character development.
#53
The Godfather comes pretty quickly to mind
Once upon a time in America, too.
Gabby Ghoul 1 year ago
To be fair, The Godfather depicts an organization that to this day remains notoriously patriarchal.
Patrick Davies 1 year ago
Ever read the book? The movie was far less mysoginistic. And the movie was pretty mysoginistic in itself.
Graham_Illegal 1 year ago
Just because the movie features misogynistic characters doesn’t mean the movie itself is misogynistic. It’s a story about violent criminals. They're bad guys.
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I just rewatched The Holiday yesterday and there's a scene where Cameron Diaz's character proclaimed that she thinks foreplay is significantly overrated. So definitely that.
Orange Panda 1 year ago
Um, female here. I try to move that along as quickly as I can. OP doesn't speak for everyone.
The Darkest Timeline 1 year ago
Sounds exactly like my wife; she is a “let’s get down to business” kind of woman
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Mini Muppet 1 year ago
For her. Not for all womankind. I personally think the same, but that does not mean everyone does or should.
#55
Not a movie, but a series - The first few seasons of Lost.
I tried to do a rewatch recently and I couldn’t get through it. So many sexist and racist stereotypes.
#56
I think this more often than not when watching ANY movies or TV shows nowadays. Seriously. It's getting harder to watch anything that's not Shondaland (and last season of Bridgerton was disappointing) or otherwise written, produced and directed by women.
#57
Clockwork Orange, I spit on your grave, or any movie with horrible sa scenes.
DC 1 year ago
Seems so. Alex needs to be described as as horrible a person as possible, in order to provoke any conflicting thoughts about his correcive treatment. With a mere shoplifter, that couldn't work.
Load More Replies... ElfVibratorGlitter 1 year ago
I spit on your grave is a rape revenge, so it definitely starts out with terrible sa scenes... but if you watch it til the end the woman ends up assaulting them all back.
#58
Not a movie but HOLY SCHMIKES the first few seasons of Walking Dead grossed me out. Not the zombies or the gore, that was boring but whatever. The screaming obnoxious sexism was something else.
Mariele Scherzinger 1 year ago
In the first three seasons, there is the character Lori. It's a classic love triangle, but everyone hated her. Everyone cheered when she died. Without going into detail... I always wondered about that.
#59
Not a movie but Peaky Blinders.
Nea 1 year ago
I rather think Peaky Blinders showed women as very nuanced beings. Very capable yet feminine.
Emma S 1 year ago (edited)
It's set in the 1920's so the treatment of women is probably accurate for the time frame. There are a lot of strong, independent women in Peaky Blinders. Polly and Ada are shown to be trusted with running the businesses, Grace was an undercover spy, Mae trained Tommy's horse which is not something he'd have trusted many people to do, Jesse is a union rep fighting for women's rights, and Lizzie is shown to be a no nonsense woman who isn't afraid to not tell her husband off. Esme was a tough woman as well and even Linda is shown to be a very capable business woman.
#60
Not a movie, but the Try Guys have a new segment where they do scavenger hunts in a big city with a budget of $500, a list of activities for certain number of points, and a time limit. The teams are two pairs of dudes. They go to places on the list without looking up if these places are actually open or not, and end up wasting a bunch of time. Why not sit down with the list for a 30 minute planning period to check business hours and talk strategy??
Ryan-James O'Driscoll 1 year ago
Because it's YouTube content. You realise that organised men and disorganised women exist, right?
What do you think ?
Sue User 1 year ago
Almost every Hallmark movie ever. Mainstream: cant believe no one mentioned Transformers.
Load More Replies... Graham_Illegal 1 year ago
BREAKING NEWS: Many movies are — they’re just typically not made in Hollywood.
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Child of the Stars 1 year ago
Some of these are spot on (especially for the juvenile comedies and rom coms). Others are mostly products of their time and wouldn't be made today or (in the case of some of the historical dramas) are reflecting more on treatment of women in the set time period. But one I want to point out is M*A*S*H. Yes, in the movie and early seasons, Houlihan is very one-dimensional. But her character was given a significant amount of growth into an independent woman capable of holding her own in an army full of misogynistic men. It should also be pointed out that Hawkeye's own sexist views of women were pointed out several times, from his treatment of the nurses as sex objects to his not taking at least one woman doctor as seriously as the men doctors.
Gabby Ghoul 1 year ago
The storyline of Margaret's marriage was created so the character could split with Frank and subsequently grow beyond that one dimension. If that had not been agreed upon, Loretta Swit probably would have left the show after season 5. Similarly, Larry Linville did leave after season 5 because he didn't see anywhere to take the character.
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CP 1 year ago
To the people upset about movies depicting rape or SA, it happens in the real world. Just don't watch those movies. It is better to have stories with that in it than to censor them.
Helena 1 year ago
I don't think it is that it IS depicted, but rather HOW it is depicted. Intending to titillate rather than horrify. Which ends up being doubly horrific for any woman in the audience.
Load More Replies... Kurt Frohloff 1 year ago
I feel like people need to get a life. Why do we need to judge movies or TV shows like they are real life…. Unless of course they are advertised as “reality” shows. Isn’t the purpose of the arts to portray evil, good, sad, happy, submissive, dominant, sexist, sexual, and everything in between? IT ISNT REAL PEOPLE!
Helena 1 year ago
There is a reason it is important to have POC in leadership roles in tv and movies. There is a reason it is important to accurately portray women. There is a reason it is important to accurately portray many different viewpoints rather than the same stale rehash of pushing straight white male view. Would you be ok with racism being the acceptable trope still in movies? I'm guessing no. So why is it ok to gloss over women as 3 dimensional human beings with a different view point and life experience?
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Enlee Jones 1 year ago
Two and Half Men, where every woman aside from Berta is a ridiculously bitter shrew or a ridiculously hypersexualized airhead.
similarly 1 year ago
On a positive note, I feel that the fact that we watch old movies and tv shows and cringe says a lot. I think that although we have a long way to go to get where we really want to be, we've made more progress than we sometimes give ourselves credit for.
DC 1 year ago
Agreed to to full extent. And, it still isn't wrong to enjoy them, even if it goes as far as laughing about the fact people used to seriously laugh about certain jokes, or stereotypical figures.
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Kathy Dragonfly 1 year ago
How is this a list about 'movies' if half of it refers to either Everything with / Anything by or Not a movie!
Panda Panda Bo Banda 1 year ago
I can't believe nobody mentioned Revenge of the Nerds with a full-on SA scene that was played off as funny and romantic.
Sue User 1 year ago
Almost every Hallmark movie ever. Mainstream: cant believe no one mentioned Transformers.
Load More Replies... Graham_Illegal 1 year ago
BREAKING NEWS: Many movies are — they’re just typically not made in Hollywood.
Load More Replies... Child of the Stars 1 year ago
Some of these are spot on (especially for the juvenile comedies and rom coms). Others are mostly products of their time and wouldn't be made today or (in the case of some of the historical dramas) are reflecting more on treatment of women in the set time period. But one I want to point out is M*A*S*H. Yes, in the movie and early seasons, Houlihan is very one-dimensional. But her character was given a significant amount of growth into an independent woman capable of holding her own in an army full of misogynistic men. It should also be pointed out that Hawkeye's own sexist views of women were pointed out several times, from his treatment of the nurses as sex objects to his not taking at least one woman doctor as seriously as the men doctors.
Gabby Ghoul 1 year ago
The storyline of Margaret's marriage was created so the character could split with Frank and subsequently grow beyond that one dimension. If that had not been agreed upon, Loretta Swit probably would have left the show after season 5. Similarly, Larry Linville did leave after season 5 because he didn't see anywhere to take the character.
Load More Replies... CP 1 year ago
To the people upset about movies depicting rape or SA, it happens in the real world. Just don't watch those movies. It is better to have stories with that in it than to censor them.
Helena 1 year ago
I don't think it is that it IS depicted, but rather HOW it is depicted. Intending to titillate rather than horrify. Which ends up being doubly horrific for any woman in the audience.
Load More Replies... Kurt Frohloff 1 year ago
I feel like people need to get a life. Why do we need to judge movies or TV shows like they are real life…. Unless of course they are advertised as “reality” shows. Isn’t the purpose of the arts to portray evil, good, sad, happy, submissive, dominant, sexist, sexual, and everything in between? IT ISNT REAL PEOPLE!
Helena 1 year ago
There is a reason it is important to have POC in leadership roles in tv and movies. There is a reason it is important to accurately portray women. There is a reason it is important to accurately portray many different viewpoints rather than the same stale rehash of pushing straight white male view. Would you be ok with racism being the acceptable trope still in movies? I'm guessing no. So why is it ok to gloss over women as 3 dimensional human beings with a different view point and life experience?
Load More Replies... Enlee Jones 1 year ago
Two and Half Men, where every woman aside from Berta is a ridiculously bitter shrew or a ridiculously hypersexualized airhead.
similarly 1 year ago
On a positive note, I feel that the fact that we watch old movies and tv shows and cringe says a lot. I think that although we have a long way to go to get where we really want to be, we've made more progress than we sometimes give ourselves credit for.
DC 1 year ago
Agreed to to full extent. And, it still isn't wrong to enjoy them, even if it goes as far as laughing about the fact people used to seriously laugh about certain jokes, or stereotypical figures.
Load More Replies... Kathy Dragonfly 1 year ago
How is this a list about 'movies' if half of it refers to either Everything with / Anything by or Not a movie!
Panda Panda Bo Banda 1 year ago
I can't believe nobody mentioned Revenge of the Nerds with a full-on SA scene that was played off as funny and romantic.
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