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Forty-two years ago, critic Roger Ebert said that because heroes and gimmicks tend to repeat from production to production, "Each film is only as good as its villain."

To deepen our understanding of the complex nuances that antagonists bring to their stories, let's take a look at a recent online discussion. It started when Reddit user CynicalCosmologist made a post on the platform, asking everyone "What movie is really sad when told from the 'villain's' perspective?"

It quickly went viral, and now has 5.7k comments, many of which vividly illustrate the profound change that occurs after we switch the narrative lens.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Baby's father in Dirty Dancing. Dude just wants to have a nice family vacation.

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Right? Heaven forbid he protests against his 17-year-old daughter getting seduced by the 25-year-old resort dance instructor. The dad also has to medically treat Johnny's ex-girlfriend for an infection after a back alley abortion. Of course he doesn't want his underage daughter getting involved.

CountryFriedQuinoa:
Worse, he wasn't just a dance instructor. The story is he's banging hot moms for money while giving private 'dance' lessons.

notsmartprivate:
Anyone over the age of like 25 completely understands the father's perspective.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always thought he was a good guy for treating Penny no questions asked.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Man, the Grinch just wanted to hang out with his dog on the mountain, and asked his stupid neighbors to shut up.

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We managed to get in touch with the author of the now-viral post and they kindly agreed to have a little chat with us about it.

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"I was talking to a friend from work about this subject, and he said how so many examples that fit the subject of a sad backstory are simply born into a world of brutality," CynicalCosmologist said, describing the origins of the post to Bored Panda.

"One commonality of many movie villains is based on the natural world, where these villains are simply carnivores who have to hunt, kill, and destroy in order to survive. This is what made me add my comment on the T-Rex from The Land Before Time; he is fundamentally just a famished creature who has to go to great lengths simply to survive at a time of ecological disaster."
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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Jaws. Bruce is just trying to be a shark, man.

UrbanGimli:
THESE SHARK INFESTED WATERS!!!!!
you mean their home?
KILL THE MONSTER!!

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The phrase 'shark-infested waters' drives me nuts. Are our living rooms human-infested?? No. That's just where people live. Sharks don't 'infest' the ocean, that's where they belong.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They say the ocean is salt water because of all the tears from sharks who just wanted a hug.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Ok, hear me out: Richard from Crocodile Dundee. You're Richard, Sue's boyfriend and boss (ok, off to a great start...). Your girlfriend Sue INSISTS on doing a human interest piece on some dude. You're like, "come home I miss you", and she's like "just this one more story", and you're like "ok, you're the best." So she goes off to find Michael J "Crocodile" Dundee. Within 48 hours of meeting Mick, she's making out with him. You, Richard, have no idea...but it's gotta be suspicious that she BEGS to bring him back to NYC. It's IMMEDIATELY apparent what's going on. Sue is basically drooling over Mick, she's parading him around the upper crust of New York society, they're having some moments. She even f*****g invites him to the first date the two of you have had since she got back. You're understandably salty about this...and you get punched out for it. Feeling desperate to save your relationship, you throw a Hail Mary. While visiting her family - which you're on GREAT terms with - you propose. She says yes! Crisis averted...until the NEXT DAY when she takes it back and chases Mick into the subway to tell him she loves him. It's been like a week since the two of them met. And you know the worst part? You, Richard, *paid* for all of this to happen: this whole thing went down on the newspaper's dime. And the second worst part? You're still Sue's boss. You'll be seeing her at the office on Monday. You have less than 24 hours to pull yourself together. Richard got cheated on, villainized, and broken up with in the coldest way...and his only crime was not being happy about it. He's not the bad guy in this story. **Sue** is the bad guy in Crocodile Dundee. Thank you for attending my TED talk.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This happens in a lot of movies I find, where the bf is just ditched for another man for no good reason at all, and apparently it’s ok.

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Other commonalities that CynicalCosmologist has noticed are personal tragedy and trauma. "Villains such as Two-Face in The Dark Knight, or Tai Lung in Kung Fu Panda, lost everything that they cared about, and their lifelong dreams were destroyed, due to matters that were beyond their control. Similarly, we have villains who only want to protect those they care about from some greater threat, which, for example, applies to Magneto (X-Men) and V (V for Vendetta)."

The Redditor thinks that because of the way these characters are portrayed in film, it's difficult not to see them as "hate-fueled, remorseless monsters."

"If we ever found ourselves in their shoes, however, we would understand the terrible trauma which many of these 'villains' have endured, and I think it's important to recognize this as a driver for their actions, as a human trait," they added.
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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Squidward from SpongeBob SquarePants. All he wants is some peace and quiet.

circa285:
You know you’re a fully developed adult when you start to find SpongeBob really annoying and identify with Squidward’s point of view.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again We Bought a Zoo - I mean damn, the ‘villain’ literally is a safety inspector and is doing a public service making sure the dangerous animals you’re keeping for public display are safe, secure and not mistreated.

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Storytellers know this and, especially those who are good at their craft, understand their antagonists. George Langelaan, who penned The Fly, a cult classic sci-fi/horror short story about a research scientist turning into a huge monstrous fly, said in a January 1961 issue of Suspense magazine, "As a writer I take such a liking to villains that I try to give them a jolly good time and, in the end, to let them off as lightly as possible."

He even proposed creating The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Villains.
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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again X-Men. Magneto was right and his backstory was very sad.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Tom and Jerry. They’re secretly friends, but Tom has to hunt him and “fail” every time. One episode the homeowners wanted to swap Tom for a cat who actually would kill Jerry, but Tom tried to stop that.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jerry is the reason they keep Tom around in the first place, so their rivalry ensures job security and housing for both I guess

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This can teach us a lot about empathy. "If we extend this logic to the real world, we see how many people who landed themselves in jail have only committed their crimes out of fear, trauma, and desperation," CynicalCosmologist continued. "Sure, there are fictional and real-life villains who are psychopaths, and have no remorse at all for their actions, but many of them have much more troubled histories."

"A movie can paint a very vivid picture of what they have been through, and it can help people understand what led people down such dark paths, and hopefully get them to rehabilitate. That's why I think this discussion topic is a powerful and meaningful one; it can help make recovery much more humane and effective for many."
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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again I recently re-watched The Little Mermaid and, well, let's just say I was rooting for her father rather than the 16yo wanting elope with a person she saw for like a minute. That said, Triton doesn't really handle the situation well.

Deep-Jello0420:
Ariel: 'I'm 16! I'm not a child anymore!'
7-year-old Me: 'Yeah! She's basically a grown up! Don't be mean, Triton!'
41-year-old Me: 'She is absolutely a child and I wonder if my parents thought that line was as ridiculous as I find it now when we watched it 30+ years ago'.

_space_pumpkin_:
'bUt DaDdY I LoVe HiM!' Sh*t makes me cringe now every time.

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Yes she gave up her family, friends and literal voice for a guy who gave her a half arsed smile

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Thor 1. Loki loses everything, finds out his whole life is a lie, even his skin is a lie, the people who he was supposed to trust the most (his parents) betrayed him about who he was and brought him up in a society that thought his real race were disgusting savage monsters to the point that he thought it was ok to try and kill them all, and in the middle of having a mental break down his dad goes into a coma while his mom is emotionally unavailable to give him any support because she’s busy watching the dad, and his friends betray him to go help his brother on earth, so he is completely isolated with no support system undergoing the worst crisis of his life and goes off the rails, to the point of committing suicide because he realized no matter what he did he could never gain the approval of his father or belong there as the only frost giant in all of Asgard.
It’s an epic tragedy when you look at it from his perspective.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Loki was one of the best things to happen to the MCU...

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The Redditor has taken notice of many cool movie villains over the years. "I am a lifelong Star Wars fan, and Palpatine has consistently had me on the edge of my seat," they said.

"Sure, the plot developments of each era of the franchise have sparked a lot of controversies amongst the fans, but Palpatine was the mastermind behind the entire conflict from day one. He manipulated and murdered the people closest to him to rise through the ranks of the Sith order, the Galactic Republic, and the absolute control of the galaxy."

"If that's not enough, I was just as captivated by his sinister demeanor and chilling gravitas as a kid as I am today. Emperor Palpatine is the embodiment of the perfect movie villain for me," CynicalCosmologist said, explaining that they might be a little bit biased. "The actor, Ian McDiarmid, went to my postgraduate alma mater, [and] I think [that's] pretty cool."
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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Sound of Music -- not the N*zis obviously, but the baroness. Imagine you're a wealthy, savvy, child free woman open minded enough to date a sulking widower with a billion children he ignores in favor of travel and partying-- in other words, your lifestyle. You're not into kids but you try to be a presence in their lives when he finally deigns to introduce you to them (same time he announces that he's marrying you, so he's a super great father). You put on a cheerful face anyway, and when it's apparent the kids hate you (you are a stranger after all!), you consider sending them to boarding school where they might benefit from, say, structure and attention and schooling that they are not getting at home from their father/endless rotating nannies. Then the super virginal, younger au pair moves in, and your boyfriend suddenly decides he is totally into being father of the year again after his Austrian rumspringa, and dumps you.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-regret-to-inform-you-that-my-wedding-to-captain-von-trapp-has-been-canceled If you've never read this - it's hilarious and exactly from her point of view.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Lion King. I'm not saying Scar was right for killing his brother and running the Pride Lands into the ground, but they call him Scar because he had a physical deformity. Before he was nicknamed Scar, his parents named him Takka... Which means garbage. "Oh hi. Let me introduce you to my sons 'King' and 'Garbage'" How is that not setting your youngest up for failure?

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As their thoughts on Palpatine suggest, the Redditor believes the "perfect" villain is one who has a grand, thorough scheme for everything. "They consider every possibility before making their next move. An ingenious villain with an ingenious scheme leaves the viewer constantly guessing where the plot of the movie (or franchise) is going to lead; or retrospectively, piecing together the story so far and predicting the outcome."

This is why CynicalCosmologist has thoroughly enjoyed movies with enigmatic puzzles like Glass Onion, or mind-bending twists like The Usual Suspects, and we can only agree that meticulously crafted villains not only enhance the suspense but also contribute to the overall depth and richness of the story.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Titanic

Imagine you are just chilling in the ocean and a big boat comes and hit you and the boat gets all the attention.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Worse yet, the humans then proceed to cause climate change which ends up melting you

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Peter Pan. Poor Captain Hook. Constantly taunted by a group of hoodlums who never want to grow up. Imagine the PTSD this guy has from losing a hand to a crocodile! Then he’s constantly taunted by these kids and their clock-filled buffoonery.

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10 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Damn kids! He's at the "get off my lawn!" stage of life and the little so-and-sos won't leave him alone!

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Mrs Doubtfire because imagine how scared Pierce Brosnan was when Mrs Doubtfire tried to kill him with pepper.

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He also survived a drive-by fruiting.

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Of course your wife is going to divorce you if she comes home from her breadwinning job, and you’ve got a petting zoo running around the house, after walking out on yet another job, when you’re already on thin ice! But the whole movie is acting like his ex-wife is a mean, borderline-evil shrew! And all the judge was asking him to do was get literally any job and keep it in order to see his kids more often! I love my kids!' Fine, why don’t you show it by acting like a goddamned grown-up for once.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pierce Brosnan was in this movie?!! What? It's been so long that I didn't even notice.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again “Black Panther” Killmonger was a Prince. His father was murdered by his uncle, the King. He spent his life in poverty, while his family was incredibly wealthy. When he finally got to Wakanda, he was appalled that they kept all that wealth and technology from the descendants of the diaspora around the world. I love his last quote: “Bury me at sea with my ancestors who jumped from the slave ships because they preferred death to bondage.”

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The character of Killmonger totally over shadowed Black Panther! Michael B is a really talented actor!

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Yeah, I gotta say that 'Despicable Me' hit me right in the feels when you saw how Gru went from stealing an entire moon to being a dad. Who knew little yellow minions could make such an impact? Overall, 10/10 would ugly cry again.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Imagine: you're 16 years old. Your father is in prison. Your home has been taken over by a N*zi cult that you've been indoctrinated into. The leader of the cult is telling you to kill your principal, someone exceptionally powerful who could easily beat you in a fight, or he will kill you and your family.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again The hyenas in the Lion King were banished to an elephant graveyard and were hungry. It's not like the lions weren't killing things to eat themselves, but Mufasa wasn't going to let hyenas get away with that.

Of course they're going to follow the guy who promises them food. Their part in Be Prepared is "we're going to be able to eat!" And then when they do get to leave the graveyard they overdo it because they'd never been allowed to eat anything but elephants who came to die, which probably isn't an everyday occurrence.

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10 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The hyenas being scared away by lions is unrealistic in itself. If the hyena pack is big enough (which seems to be the case in the lion king if you think about Scar's death scene), they can easily steal and keep the kill from hunting lionesses. Mostly because they are incredibly stubborn and just keep attacking. Hyenas killing lions for their kills is also a thing that happens.

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10 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hyenas are excellent hunters themselves, too - infact they have a 74% average hunting success rate compared to the 21% lions have

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10 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll ruin it further. It has been kinda disproven, the part about elephant families choosing a site as a graveyard to pass. However, some studies suggest that certain bone excavation sites have multitudes of elephant bones because they all died off from disease together. So, consider that.. or not.. it makes me sad to think about.

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10 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Hyenas were NOT starving. They had what they needed but not what they wanted, and what they wanted was MORE. Boo if you like, te Disney Villains: Scar comics are canon.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Educating comments and replies here, now I'm eagerly awaiting the comments on realism of animal behaviour in Bambi and Jungle book.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Prince Nuada from Hellboy: the Golden Army. He’s the Prince of a dying race of fae, has to see his father lead his kind into darkness and obscurity, and THEN see humanity tear down everything he loved for their own greed/expansion. His speech about how the world will never see the likes of the Elemental Forest God was heartbreaking.

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This isn’t the first story where humans started off living side by side with fairy tale or mythical creatures, then ultimately pushing them out to extinction. This movie did have me wishing for an alternate version where humans are the ones to lose.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish there would have been a sensible sequel this movie.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Anakin Skywalkers' story from the light side to the dark side was motivated by the love he had for his mother and Padme, but in the end, he can't save his mother and nearly kills Padme. He loses them both and ends up horribly disfigured in the confrontation with his life-long master obi wan. He has to suffer the rest of his life without his loved ones, and he now is more machine than man. He can't live without his suit. The tragedy of Darth Vader is incredibly sad.

Born a slave on a desert planet with no father. Forced to join a cult of space wizards at a young age. Watches his mother die, was only allowed to marry in secret because of the wacko cult's rules. The man who offers him salvation is the devil himself. He loses all four limbs, scarred and burned to the point that he was put into a living coffin in order to survive. Enslaved to the devil himself.

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Never knew freedom, never allowed to live his life. Used by everyone...

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ahhh he kinda slaughtered a roomful of kids. Just sayin

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Bee Movie 😂 A bee stole this man’s girlfriend.

RVelts:
It's a wild ride. I shrugged it off years ago as just being some kid's movie Jerry Seinfeld felt like making. I didn't realize how insane the plot is... the courtroom scenes, the romance, the wild ending, the snipers...

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This man is losing his wife to a literal bee and everyone thinks he’s crazy.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a fun movie to watch as an adult just to see the absolute nonsense and absurdity

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Encanto.

Family obsessed with 'keeping up appearances' shun Bruno for simply telling the truth, that people naturally don't like to hear. Ends up being demonised and alone while the head narc and family lie and blame him for their failings and bad experiences.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That 'Abuela' is horrible!! As the 'black sheep' of my family this movie totally triggers me .. a grandmother blaming her granddaughter for basically everything .. f that Abuela

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again **Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan**

Dude is allowed to live in peace and rule an untamed planet instead of going to prison. He's living his best life.

His planet gets turned into a barren wasteland, wife and some family members die, and some get a nasty case of earworms. All because some toupee-wearing space douchbag never bothered to occassionally check up on them.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sooooo much better than the remake. Ricardo Montalban yes, Cumberbatch no.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Cato from The Hunger Games. He’s been brainwashed to believe that the Games are an honor. He’s trained his whole life, but then he gets into the arena and it’s a lot of killing and awfulness. Then he loses, dies a long death and all his preparation and fanboying isn’t worth anything.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At least in the movie he seems to realise this just before he dies.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Cary Elwes' perspective in Liar Liar too.

You've had a legitimate, mostly positive relationship with your girlfriend and are now at the point where you're trying to get to know her son. There's a lot of trust invested by this point.

You've accepted that her ex-husband is an important part of her life and are happy with the arrangement of her son dividing time between you and his biological father.

In other words, you're a pretty mature family man. Except her ex-husband starts crossing boundaries and trying to convince your girlfriend to get back together with him. You don't always realise what's going on, but you get the feeling that some sort of undermining is going on between him and their son.

Meanwhile, your girlfriend is becoming more and more emotionally torn because her ex-husband keeps breaking promises and disappointing her son, but equally tries to undermine you to her and beg for further chances.

This culminates in the terrifying face of Jim Carrey appearing outside your plane window during high speed takeoff, eyes wide open and manically shouting, on the day you were originally going to move city as a "new family".

Yet despite this, you retain a godly amount of humility and gracefully back out of the relationship, knowing that Jim has won over the family and that it wouldn't be fair on any parties for the farce to continue.

Yeah, Cary Elwes is intentionally goofy at times and jumped the gun on the relationship, but the man is a bit of a saint for putting up with that.

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But he was by no means a villain, neither portrayed as one either.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Meet the Robinsons.

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Goob just needed some sleep is all.

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This is just the plot...It ruins nothing since the movie fully explains this.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Austin Powers. Dr Evil’s upbringing is tragic: The details of my life are quite inconsequential.... My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a 15-year-old French prostitute named Chloé with webbed feet. My father would womanize; he would drink; he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Pirates of the Caribbean. This pirate crew found treasure, it was cursed. They became undead, feeling nothing, tasting nothing. A shadow of their former selves. For some reason, everyone was trying to stop them becoming mortal even though it would be easier for all parties to help them restore the treasure.

Also as most pirates are on the ship when the curse is lifted, they surrendered to the Royal Navy. They were all undoubtably hung immediately after the credits role.

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Jack wanted his ship back and so was trying to use the curse to his advantage. Why would the Royal Navy believe in an undead pirate curse?

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Les Miserables. Javert was born inside a jail and we see repeatedly how unforgiving Paris is to children without a support system and the destitute. He miraculously manages to works his way from that to a respectable middle-class job. And that’s before Jean Valjean shows up and becomes the greatest failure of his career eventually driving him to s*icide.

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He was certainly a victim of the system, and instead of trying to fix the system he instead became a cog in it.

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Mr.Freeze- Batman Animated Series. It won awards I think.


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Most of the villains, really. BTAS did a great job at humanizing Batman's villains. Mr Freeze just wanted to save his wife, Harvey Dent thought he put a kid in the hospital (but it turns out he was just in there for appendicitis) and it stuck with him his whole life and messed him up mentally, Clayface had his face mangled in an accident and was promised a miracle cure in exchange for a few favors. I could go on and on.

And if you break into the comics, we can add Joker to this list. The Killing Joke is phenomenal and Joker had a great point that all it really takes is one bad day to break someone.

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It's when the Batman villains start committing weird crimes killing people that they need to be stopped. I think though that Bruce - or Batman, more likely - is the villain of his own story. There's a great bit in "Blind Justice" (comic from the '90s) in which he's pondering why there isn't justice... why can't he just live a normal life? "Then almost at once, with lacerating clarity, the answer is upon him: that's how Batman wants it. If there were justice in this world for Bruce, he'd... live his life as normal people do. But justice is blind. Blind as a bat." And the panels show Bruce kneeling next to his parents, and Batman offering his hand and child Bruce walking away with Batman. Wow. Really gives you insight into how messed up he is.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again General Francis X. Hummel from The Rock. Joins the military at a young age and believes that he's fighting for his country and commands several special clandestine operations for the government and his men get killed. Because they were black ops, the US government doesn't give their families any benefits, it doesn't recognize them as having even served, and they don't even get military funerals. Hummel pleads with the Government to recognize these men and that they fought and died to further America's interests and he even goes before Congress to ask for the funds. They tell him to kick rocks. When his wife dies, he's had enough and feels he has to force their hand through taking hostages and threatening to launch VX poison gas rockets at population centers. He has no intent to go along with this plot, it's just a bluff.

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This is a good one because you see he was really a good guy. He was just trying to do right by his men. And he had no real intention of hurting anyone. His mercenaries did. He's a guy who had been through a ton of hurt.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again The Land Before Time. That T-Rex just needed to eat.

Casca_In_Red: In the midst of an ecological collapse, a desperate carnivore pursues its prey for miles, only to be crushed and drowned by them.

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Oh no... The last one was hard to read, I'm not sure I can watch the movie again without thinking about this.

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Principal Rooney in Ferris Bueller's Day Off

He's a (relatively) low-paid administrator who has to run this large high school of privileged white kids who think they're above everyone and know they can get away with terrible behavior. He's just doing his job of keeping kids accountable and in school, and this particular kid is just the worst. Rooney's got a building full of this type of kid and it's a gargantuan task to deal with that daily and not sink into a bottle every night.

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While I get the perspective, singling out Ferris as the one he HAS to nail to the wall is weird. Especially the breaking and entering bit. In a school that size, Ferris cannot be the only thorn in this dude's side.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again I can't believe no one has mentioned the Thing from The Thing. Poor thing crashed on a hostile planet and was just trying to survive. Humans came along and burned him and blew him up.

Poor thing.

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When The Thing came to camp as the dog, the guys were letting it roam free, etc. It was surviving fine. It became a problem when it tried to integrate other living organisms into it and duplicate. At that point it wasn’t about survival.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Sid in Toy Story. Neglected, possibly abused child acts out his trauma, then gets further traumatised by posessed toys.

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Wait, neglected and abused? I'm pretty sure I remember Sids mom calling him downstairs for pancakes.

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Gollums I feel like. It's debatable if he's a villain or not, I always felt sad for that greasy cave dweller.

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Blade Runner. And it works either way, if you see Batty as the villain or Deckard.

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The real villain was Tyrell all along for creating artificial life that would learn to feel and then limiting their life span to be sure it would die before that happened so they could be used as slaves, soldiers and toys without remorse.

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Godzilla. Especially in Son of Godzilla. Godzilla just wants to be, man. Every time he shows up people start shooting at him. That would p**s anyone off, and destroying cities is a good way to nonverbally say stop pissing me off.

And as demonstrated in Son of Godzilla, he has emotions and cares for his son. And his son saves a human out of affection for her as well. These are thinking, feeling beings. And if humans would think how to befriend the Kaiju rather than destroy them we could have solid allies.

Mothra is a prime example of this. He protects an entire village in exchange for their reverence. Pretty sweet deal.

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This is why I hate 'monster' movies. Most of the time, they're just living their lives and then they get attacked because they look scary to humans; you think they're not gonna fight back?

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Koba in Planet of the Apes. All he has been exposed to is cruelty and the worst of humanity. Then Caesar tells him he has to forgive humans and let them work on the dam. When someone has been abused and broken that badly, then told they have to ally and work with their abusers. It’s no wonder he snapped. The book between rise and dawn goes into a lot more detail such as his trainer got drunk one day slashed up koba’s face and then used a cigarette to blind him.

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Kung Fu panda. Guy was built up his whole life to be the greatest kung fu warrior the world had ever seen, told by his father and mentor that his destiny was to be the dragon warrior. Then betrayed, imprisoned, and vilified when he just wanted what he'd been taught was his. Then dethroned by some outsider, and when he tries to win back his hard-earned place, defeated by dumb luck and magic.

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Rocky IV

Ivan Drago does literally NOTHING wrong in that whole movie. He's treated like s**t by everyone, and then basically gets screwed over.

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Well, he did kill Apollo Creed in an exhibition match. I’d say that’s wrong, no?

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Sleepless In Seattle

Walter (Bill Pullman). The guy is engaged to a woman he's totally into. He does cute s**t for her and has plans with her for the future (beyond, you know, getting married). She acts super flighty and is pretty dismissive of him. He's understanding and kind. Then she abandons him to fly across the country to meet a guy she heard on a radio show and calls off the wedding to be with radio show guy.

That'll do a number on anyone's psyche.

Edit: Walter is not really a villain, per say. It's a romcom. But he is the antagonist to Tom Hanks' character.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Spiderman 2. Doc Oc just wanted to provide limitless, cheap energy to everyone and got turned into a monster and controlled by tentacles that he invented for the task. Lost his wife to his own failed experiment. And then committed crime to re-do the experiment, only to abjectly fail again and have to take one for the tram to put things right.

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True, but his tentacles neuron net fused to his spine was affecting his decision-making to dangerous levels. Spiderman corrected that by replacing the broken chip in a later movie.

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again The bad people in Us just want to live on the surface. :(

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Then maybe they shouldn't have started stabbing people with scissors.

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While robbing a house is of course is bad, but the two robbers were brutally attacked and nearly killed (some of the traps at least would have killed them in real life). Home Alone.

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If the traps in the house wouldn't have killed them then a brick on the head from 3 stories high or a high amperage electric shock from a welding machine surely would

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Phantom of the Opera.

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Idk Erik was pretty creepy and essentially groomed a young girl, but I guess it makes sense when you consider he probably had underlying mental illness on top of being socially ostracized for his appearance all his life.

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I guess this one makes more sense if you're talking about the book -- If it's about the musical or movies, then you could definitely see it as grooming.

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The original Spider Man movies. There’s not a single villain there I don’t love (except Eddie Brock.) Norman Osborne was manipulated into his crimes by the goblin suit when in reality, while not the best man, he cared about Harry, Peter and May. Otto Octavius genuinely was a kind and very smart man, who loved his wife a whole lot and really did like Peter, but was also manipulated by his suit into being a power hungry monster (right after his wife died!). Flint Marko was definitely not a bad man but God, his backstory. I couldn’t hate him, especially in the end. And Harry, poor Harry, he didn’t know what his dad was. In his eyes, Peter was a monster, and by the time he realized the truth it was too late, his dad’s demons took hold of him. Then he died trying to save his best friend.

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10 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All Spiderman villians have a sympathetic backstory. Most are trying to do good, but mess up. That's one of the reasons that Spiderman never kills.

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Billy Madison. Eric Gordon might have been an a*****e but he devoted years of his life working for Madison Hotels, working his way up to become the boss's right-hand man, only for the boss's idiot son to take over because he managed to get a basic education.

Let's not forget Eric blackmailed Billy's principal to lie about Billy's recent success in school. Then when the Principal recants his lies, Eric in his frustration throws the TV remote at his secretary and puts her in a coma. When Eric ultimately loses the Academic Decathlon he pulls a gun and tries to murder his boss' son and then his his boss' son's girlfriend. Not really the actions of a tragic hero. He's lucky he was invited to attend Billy's graduation rather than being in prison for attempted murder.

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The Terminator. AI tries to rid the world of a cancerous parasite, which ultimate destroys it. It even tries to go back in time to win, only to find it's avatar in a closed time loop that created the conditions that led to it's destruction.

Sad!

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Skynet actually bombed the hell out of the world with nukes. It was in self defence to Norad trying to shut it down, but it was a planet wrecking overreaction.

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Aladdin is the story of a royal Vizier who worked his way to the top, and needs to manage a clearly incompetent Sultan and a Princess whose idea of diplomacy is to sic her tiger on foreign dignitaries.

In desperation he turns to magical aid, but the thief he employed to steal the lamp decides to use that magic to seize power for himself, despite *also* having no idea how to administer a kingdom or conduct diplomacy.

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i disagree with this one, jafar was clearly attracted to jasmine (who i believe was only 16??) and after he got the lamp, he basically tried to turn her into his sex slave. no sympathy for him

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People Explain 30 Movies From The Villain’s Perspective And You May Never Look At Them The Same Again Anton Ego in Ratatouille

He gets a redemption arc so he comes out not the villain but dude is the epitome of a narcissist and food-critic

I like to think his story is really complex, that he had aspirations to become a great chef with Gusteaux, but that is the one time that Chef said that someone couldn’t cook. I want to see the story where he gets all tatted up and is a try-hard on the line but can’t keep up with service and can’t remember recipes. The reason he is a critic is because he thinks he is better than all else. The reason he is in turtlenecks is to hide his throat ink. It’d be such a good story.


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He doesn’t have any tattoos that I know of
He was never a chef with Gusteaux that I know of
These are things in my head

And yes he isn’t the “villain” but considering food critics are usually regarded as “the enemy” by chefs I think that is a qualifier

Skinner can also be a villain, but by that measure Collette could be a villain right up until Remi forces Linguini to kiss her to save his a*s, thus sparking a romance. She would’ve likely pushed the poor kid to quitting, and her chip on the shoulder about how she earned her place isn’t far off from Ego’s thought that not anyone can cook.

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Two Face. A politician forced to deal with nefarious people. That is burned by acid by a hero. And desires to seek revenge. He loses his girlfriend do to his burns. Isn't appealing for public office anymore. And a really mentally tormented individual after the incident.

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The Karate Kid.

Johnny Lawrence had a cute girlfriend and was respected in his dojo, until one Daniel Larusso moved to a new town, began flirting with his girlfriend, destroyed his boombox and hosed him. Johnny tries to teach him a lesson, but Daniel recruits an older karate master, who kicks out the c**p of several minors.

Daniel gets a classic car as a gift and steals Johnny's GF. Johnny is instructed by his sensei to cheat on a karate tournament, loses and his life path is screwed.

Fast forward some years, Johnny is now a loser, jobless, lives in a dump, has an estranged son, knows zip about computers and social media, while Daniel is a successful car salesman, lives in a mansion, is loaded with money, two good kids and a beautiful wife.

Johnny tries to start his karate dojo, only to be thwarted again by "hero" Daniel and his former sensei.

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Τhat's why I loved Cobra Kai! It gives a better perspective to both their lives

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Cal from Titanic.

He brought his fiancé on this brand new luxurious ship to take them to the U.S. to get married. Then she definately has an affair with this poor guy she's never met, and decides to stay on the sinking ship with said poor guy.

And Cal almost DIES on the ship himself, as he was in a collapsible lifeboat that was partially flooded. Irl, this caused those in that lifeboat to have serious damage to their legs.

So after this seriously traumatic night, what does our "villan" do? He looks for his fiancé that realistically should be dead, and he assumes her to be dead. Everyone does. Then he kills himself after the stock market crash of 1929.

Was Cal an angel? No. But he didn't cheat, unlike Rose.

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Gothel in Tangled.

Reclusive woman finds a magical flower growing in the woods. It becomes her only friend, to the point that she sings to it to help it grow. But then it reveals a secret: it has magical healing abilities which come out through the power of song.

Because she knows anyone else who finds the flower will try to dig it up and take it for themselves, using the immortality the flower gave her, she dedicates her life to protecting the flower.

Then, one day the super rich and powerful king sends someone to follow her to discover her secret. He orders his men to dig up the flower so it can be used to save his wife and no one else. Then, instead of replanting it so it will maintain its power, he cuts it and FEEDS IT TO HIS WIFE.

Gothel devolves into a grief spiral because she failed to protect the flower, then becomes a villain obsessed with retrieving the flower and protecting it for all eternity.

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She is clearly shown to be exploiting the flower for eternal youth and also emotionally abuses Rapunzel all her life. I would love to see a rewrite the way OP describes this, but it's a stretch to say that this is what the movie meant.

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Like, OMG, there was this totally sad story from way back, like, in the ancient days of summer camp vibes. So, Jason, he was, like, a bit slow in the brain, you know? But he had this total dream of finding pals and stuff, even though everyone treated him like he was, like, the ultimate uncool outcast.

So, Jason decides to hit up this camp, thinking maybe he can catch some good vibes and stuff. But, like, his dreams got totally crushed when a bunch of kids dissed his splash at the lake. Rude much?

Anyways, Jason, in his cute goggles, was just trying to be his fab self, swimming around, on the lookout for some underwater fishy friends. Little did he know, there were these two camp counselors sneaking off to a shed for, like, some sneaky adult playtime. So not profesh!

In a major bummer twist, Jason gets this mega cramp in his tummy. He's, like, screaming for help, but no one hears him. Especially not those two counselors busy doing who knows what in the shed. Ugh, the worst!

And, you know, the poor dude drowns, and his bod isn't even found. Talk about a total downer for Jason Voorhees. Like, hello, world, can't we be a little less harsh? Total sadness, I can't even.

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Little Mermaid. Ursula was banished for being unattractive, old, and over weight.

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Kill Bill. Bill finds out the woman he loves has not only left him but is carrying their child and marrying another man. He lashes out and kills the new fiancee and nearly kills her, but does so knowing what he’s doing is wrong and hurts himself too. He saves the baby and raises her, allows the woman a chance to survive because he can’t bring himself to kill her again, and then when she does recover she hunts down all his friends and allies and his brother gets killed as well. Ultimately she ends up killing Bill as well and he dies knowing that at least she and the girl can be happy together.

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10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He shot a pregnant woman in the head. He had no clue the baby would survive. There's no redemption for that.

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