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We’ve all been faced with a moral dilemma before. Should you be honest with your partner when you know something that will hurt them? Maybe in college your best friend asked you to help them cheat while they were in danger of failing a class and having their scholarship revoked. Perhaps you caught a colleague stealing, but if you reported it, he would get fired and would be unable to pay his rent. Unfortunately, life is full of difficult decisions, and ethics are not black and white. 

What tends to be a little clearer is what is against the law, regardless of our personal feelings. 3 days ago, Reddit user Dr_vinci reached out to Ask Reddit and posed the question, “What is moral but illegal?” Readers have since flooded the responses with questionable laws that seem to contradict many people’s moral compasses. Below, you can read some of the answers, as well as an interview with Dr_vinci, and decide if you think these laws are justified or not. Then if you’d like to continue pondering the morality of certain laws, check out this Bored Panda piece next.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Where I live, euthanasia. Having had to watch a relative waste away as they could no longer eat properly, had no clue who they were or who anyone else was, and was just so scared…how is making them live or wait until they starve/dehydrate the moral choice?

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Beth S
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am actually passionate about this topic. I believe this is a hard one for so many people, but I believe that the choice should be up to the person when they are of sound mind how they choose to go. As someone that suffers from a handful of conditions that will vastly limit my quality of life and my health as I age, I feel like I should be able to choose not to suffer. I believe that we should have the right to die with as much compassion and dignity as possible.

Fat Harry
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I completely agree. We will euthanise a sick animal to end its suffering, but let a person lose everything that makes them who they are. If not for religion, I bet we'd have euthanasia now.

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Francis
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

how is it more human to put down an ill pet, than helping a human being die in dignity?? i should have the choice how and when i want to die if it's important

LeighAnne Brown-Pedersen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

19 year hospital worker.. it’s actually easy to die. Everyone, write YOUR wishes down. You want to fight till the bitter end. You want the plug pulled in a day or 5 if no neurological function. My husband knows if I am alive but in a vegative state, keep me clean, keep me comfortable. No artificial hydration, NO antibiotics. Next pneumonia is my last. Write down YOUR wishes and make copies. Tell family. If you’re in a hospital a lot, make sure they have a copy. You CAN die with dignity. And allow natural death.

Mondkatze
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just read about it and you have to write it down yearly to guarantee that your wish is actually this.... Which is MAD, i think. If it wasn't your wish you could just destroy the paper. Why would you have to renew it every year? If i forget to renew it, i will maybe suffer from Reanimation or so. That is something i don't want. BUT if i forget to write down that my decision change and as a result i die ... So... Then i died and i think it no longer will be a Problem to me because i am gone... Just my opinion, maybe i get many downvotes but i think this way.

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Ivana
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I watched my dad slowly suffocate to death over the period of two weeks and they had to keep him passed out because the pain of it all was too great. Watching your father slowly die while you just wait for their breathing to stop is inhumane.

Seabeast
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This! I've had to have elderly pets euthanized when their quality of life was no longer there and thought "We should have this option at the end of life".

adam huber
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

feel this with my great grandpa but with his dying breath he told me" i didnt want this". im so sorry gramps

albernistuff 4sale
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our family already has this sorted. Treatment only if realistic (not hopeful) chance of same or improved quality of life. No life support, no heroic measures. My mom already has arrangements if she becomes bedridden. Same for my self.

Adrienne Mcginley
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know so many people who have a "final friend" for just in case. Why can we put our animals "out of their misery", but humans are literally forced to suffer? Dr. Jack Kevorkian was a saint!

J
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This, I whole heartedly believe in! After watching my grandmother and mother die in tortuous circumstances, suffering all the time and wishing they would die quickly to end their suffering. I never want to be in that situation 😔

jack sprat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After seeing my dad wither away to quite literally skin and bones and what it out my mother through, I cannot agree with this more. He was 6' and 180 lbs before he got sick and was 130 lbs when he passed. His mind was also almost completely gone from dementia. He told me he wanted to die when he was of sound mind. I told him I'd help him do it if it came down to it. He said no, of course.

Heather Wells
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I care for my dying ex-husband who has terminal colon cancer at 47 years old.(Thanks Agent Orange.) He has a genetic condition that caused the cancer. We were unaware of it when we had our daughter. She also has the condition and will one day be dying of a cancer. It's just how this disease works. They will both leave this world in pain and sick. Whatever can be done to ease that, should be done. Citing an accident I will bury my best friend and only child and I will do whatever it takes for them to leave with dignity. We already moved to a place that allows assisted suicide. But no one should have to do that. There is nothing moral in suffering.

Yoyo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But... if the person doesn't even know who they are/where they are, how can you know if they want to die? Maybe they don't. I don't think it's up to you to decide. A human is not an animal. BUT if they put it in their will: yes, of course.

Lylan Daina
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree and if this can be widely applied to pets, at least in the western world, it should be allowed to humans too

Gingergirl
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I watched my dear mother in law suffer whilst telling me she wished it was over. For her, death was a sweet release and I so wish we could have stopped her suffering.

Suzanne Haigh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is not humane in my mind. They are reserving life they are keeping people alive when they are not capable of it. It also happens with babies, terrible the "lives" some babies/children live until they finally pass.

CHuZ
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good palliative care is what's needed. Legalising euthanasia is a slippery slope. Who's going to decide who qualifies? I'm a doctor and I certainly wouldn't do it. A top psychiatrist who theoretically would be the one to decide speaks about this in his book Head First.

Stymied Egan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I looked up palliative care and the definition is not clear. My SIL died from cancer, in her home, with palliative care and was in a lot of pain. Why did she have to suffer? I thought palliative care was in place to keep people from suffering. I've had two members of our family die now, in lots of pain. Ready to go, the suffering was so much. Both of them would have been able push a plunger if we could have at least offer them that.

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Callie Ge
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spent 3 years watching my grandpa waste away from lung cancer ( black lung) so cruel & pointless

Julie Lemaire
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Couldn't agree more after seeing my two grandmothers so slowly agonizing. I wish, I pray I will never have to live that myself.

shodokai
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nothing moral about it. They are draining your loved one's bank account while they suffer. It's reprehensible and evil. It must change. Advocate for change.

DC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agree 100 %. There are ways to help that are not punishable, pretty much everywhere...

Is Be
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just wish that we did not ask the person to be of sound mind at the time of the euthanasia. I feel like people die sooner so they don't wait until their faculties are gone.

Richard Black
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the idea is to prevent someine mad at their spouse from executing them summarily. Lets get doctors involved. Not a vote ny kinfolk.

Lisa Valen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. We're allowed, even encouraged, to euthanize beloved pets when quality of life cannot be sustained, but human beings don't even have a choice.

Alida Werter
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fortunately, where I live, euthanasia is possible when there is no chance of recovery and extreme suffering.

Billy Harrelson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Definitely have your wishes written down or else you'll have a spouse insisting you'll recover from being brain dead after a stroke refusing to let you go. Happened to my brother and sister. Their spouses refused to let them go and made them suffer needlessly.

Arthur Waite
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a card in my wallet that authorizes the harvest of my organs, and whatever, if I die, and it has a section that holds a signed Do-Not-Resuscitate form. Of course, I have no way to enforce these wishes. . .

Eric Mac Fadden
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with that. If every people has the right to live, why not to die if living is a problem to them? Someday I wonder if it could be my end, when I choose...

J
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The requirements for most assisted suicide is a verified terminal condition, and many steps of informed consent. The institutions that offers non- terminal patients (for example those with unbearable pain or locked-in syndrome) assisted suicide, have additional verification steps (psychiatrists, multiple doctors, waiting time). People with physical disabilities have the same right to commit suicide as someone with cancer - people with cognitive disabilities barring them from understanding the circumstances are obviously not granted this. Just because someone ended up with excruciating pain gets to put an end to it in a safe way does not mean your grandma with Alzheimer's will be forced to sign a paper she does not understand, and get euthanized.

Mari Ng
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The slippery slope is already happening. In Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg and the Netherlands a terminal diagnosis is not required. A person can request assisted suicide for psychiatric issues, including depression. I worked with terminally ill patients for 10 years. If you don't think families can coerce someone to request assisted suicide, then you are mistaken.

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Mari Ng
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All major disability rights groups oppose assisted suicide. The problem is that there are not enough safeguards to protect people with disabilities. People with disabilities are sometimes euthanized without their consent, or are coerced by family members to choose assisted suicide. I'm in favor of assisted suicide for people who are in a lot of pain but I understand the slippery slope argument. https://notdeadyet.org/disability-groups-opposed-to-assisted-suicide-laws

J
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is a myth that keeps getting busted by science. The requirements for most assisted suicide is a verified terminal condition, and many steps of informed consent. The institutions that offers non- terminal patients (for example those with unbearable pain or locked-in syndrome) assisted suicide, have additional verification steps (psychiatrists, multiple doctors, waiting time). People with physical disabilities have the same right to commit suicide as someone with cancer - people with cognitive disabilities barring them from understanding the circumstances are obviously not granted this.

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Who should kill you? I'm not sure doctors or nurses would like to do it.

Beth S
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sure there are doctors and nurses out there that would gladly help with the transition as opposed to seeing a patient suffer an agonizing end. People that are chronically ill with agonizing conditions forced to fight for pain medications to try to increase quality of life all the while there is a nationwide stigma against "drug seekers". People whose memory is in steady decline. People who are bed bound by illness. There is a huge, huge list of people that are doomed to suffer and suffer they do, minute by minute. I believe there are enough doctors and nurses that have seen many tortured souls and felt helpless because there are laws that prevent them from assisting people that wish to pass on. However, this is just my opinion.

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There’s no question that morals vary from person to person. Most people would be horrified if you mentioned taking your dog outside and shooting it. But when it comes to other animals, public opinion greatly varies. Ask a farmer if it’s okay to kill cattle and use their meat for food, and you’re probably going to get a different answer than if you asked a vegan the same question. Or if you asked someone who is Hindu. What’s interesting about morals is that not only do they vary across cultures and religions, but they also change over time and within the same person, depending on the gravity of a situation.

Morality is even an evolutionary trait, according to some psychologists. Dr. Jean Decety, Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at the University of Chicago, wrote in an article exploring the topic, that "our morality has been formed over thousands of years from the combination of both our genes and our culture, rather than just one or the other. This genetic and cultural evolution has shaped our brains to care for others, react to those who try to harm us, and to create moral rules that help us to live together successfully.”

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Dr. Decety went on to say that there are “three main lines of evidence that support the view that our brains are wired for morality”. The first being that “the building blocks of morality have been observed in non-human animals”. Rodents and primates exhibit “prosocial behaviors”, opting to help and console one another when someone is in trouble or distressed. Chimpanzees console victims after fights, and rats choose to help fellow rodents before seeking a food reward. Although monkeys and rats don’t have the same depth of moral code as humans, the fact that they display empathy towards each other suggests that morality is a product of evolution.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In many countries, being LGBT it's illegal. Loving someone or being yourself is against the law.

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Jerry The Joker
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah if the crooked right wing has their way it will be illegal in United States too.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Grabbing thrown out food from a groceries shop's dumpster.

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The next reason Dr. Decety cites to support that we are “wired for morality” is the fact that even babies exhibit early signs of having morals. Psychologists who study human development note that babies start forming social relationships before they’re even a year old. And toddlers as young as 18-months realize when their mothers are upset and try to comfort them with patting, hugging and sharing toys. Impressively, babies even understand the concept of fairness by the time they’re a year old. When a group of 1-year-olds witnessed cookies being distributed to a group, they understood and expected everyone to receive the same amount. 

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Imagine going to war at 18 for 2 and a half years and you come back home, but still can’t go get a beer.

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Scagsy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imagine living in a country where you can be sent to war at 18 and not be able to point to your own country on a map. Or the country you're invading. Or why.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In Russia now: talking about PEACE and STOPPING WAR. Lots of examples when people are getting arrested because it counts as "justification of Nazism" or "humiliation of russian army and special operation". Savage.

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Sue Hazlewood
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the Russian army is doing a pretty good job of humiliating themselves. Well the commanders are.

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Next, Dr. Decety mentions that “the parts of the brain involved in moral judgments are beginning to be identified”. Neuroscientists have examined how moral behaviors change in people who have brain lesions, and it has been determined that our brains don’t simply have one moral center. Various parts of the brain handle different aspects of making moral decisions (emotional reactions, self-control, intelligence, caregiving behaviors). When someone experiences trauma to their ventromedial prefrontal cortex in early childhood, they’re more likely to break moral rules and cause physical harm to others. People who have suffered damage to their ventromedial prefrontal cortex “also tend to experience less empathy, embarrassment, and guilt”.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Sleeping in your car when your too drunk to drive.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Pirating content that has been abandoned and can't even be purchased any more. E.g. an out of print book, or a game that isn't sold anymore.

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Chucky Cheezburger
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Something that chaps my a$$ is having to pay for a digital copy of music when I have paid for a physical copy. I have CDs and,dare I say cassettes that are damaged or worn out, but still I have to buy a digital copy to hear it.

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We reached out to Dr_vinci to hear where the inspiration for this post came from, and he told us he had heard the question somewhere else and was so curious that he decided to start his own discussion around it. When asked if he trusts law enforcement, he told us that he still does, but that the government makes questionable calls sometimes. "I'm fairly happy with the laws we have, other than some weapon regulations." He also notes his frustration with the banning of airsoft guns and "Black Rifle Coffee Company" due to its name. While gun control laws are a controversial topic, Dr_vinci does not consider them a moral issue. "I think there's no problem with us having better guns or switchblades," he told us. Whether you agree with him or not on these issues, it is a great reminder of how relative morality is.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Collecting rain water in my state.

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While morality is in our nature, various factors play a part in moral relativism, including cultural differences. Aside from my earlier example of eating meat, a few other topics that can be controversial depending on the culture and religion are dancing, polygamy, gambling, drinking alcohol, abortion, sex before marriage, having children outside of marriage, assisted suicide and gay marriage. Many of us know exactly where we stand on those topics and may not even consider some to be moral issues, but a 2014 study by the Pew Research Center surveyed 40 countries on some of these subjects to see just how opinions varied across the world. Views on extramarital affairs, for example, were similar in most countries. But in France, only 47% of those surveyed considered having an affair unacceptable, and 40% did not consider it a moral issue at all. 

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World As an American doctor who takes Medicare, I am not allowed to waive fees for procedures or charge a patient less than what our officially set rates are, even if they don’t have insurance. I’m also not allowed to ask a doctor from a different practice what a certain insurance company pays them for a service, as this has been deemed “anti-trust.”

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In some states, feeding the homeless.

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Morals also shift over time. At one point in time, unmarried men and women could not even be alone in a room together without it being considered sinful. And while slavery is now viewed as an atrocity, it was once widely accepted in the United States and many other countries. Both racism and homophobia were normalized for many years behind the guise of religious morality, but times are changing. Sadly, there is still progress to be made in combatting racism, homophobia and transphobia, but hopefully eventually, these hateful beliefs will be unanimously regarded as immoral.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Donating unsold/uneaten food to shelters at the end of the day at a fast food joint i.e. the donuts at dunkin, we’d have to throw them out every night.

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Mark Alibozek
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know of a grocery store near me that used to donate food but then got sued by the place because some bread had a little mold on it. So now they don't donate anymore.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Defending against a bully in school, apparently.

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Aran Lindvail
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are schools with "zero tolerance to violence" policies. Which leads to the bullied kid getting punished for fighting back, with the bullies usually being good at provoking them and not getting noticed by the teachers.

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Morals can also be fluid for individuals, depending on the desperation of their current situations. When asked point-blank if stealing is wrong, most people would probably say yes. But if you ask a single mother fleeing from an abusive relationship who’s unsure where her child’s next meal will come from, she might justify stealing a sandwich from a grocery store for her daughter. Viewing morality as too black and white and ignoring the nuance of individual situations can lead to dangerous decision making.

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Giving thirsty people water in election lines in a certain state in the United States.

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Jerry The Joker
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again, looking at you Republicans. It's sad that you can only win by cheating.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Grabbing thrown out clothes from clothing stores/furniture/appliances, brand new stuff that just didn’t sell or was out of season. Truly wasteful and probably a terrible. My mom used to drive behind strip malls with me as a kid and we’d find all sorts of good stuff, Pier 1 Imports used to have some good stuff, so did Burlington Coat Factory.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Romania, aka where I live, they are mostly sold in thrift shops, I think. I once found 3 brand new jackets from h&m for a third of the price

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In many countries speaking out against the malicious and corrupt actions of the government would certainly fall under the category of moral but illegal.

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Jo Johannsen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I bet a lot of Russians can testify to this. Not just them, of course, just a timely example.

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Many of the laws mentioned on Reddit may seem harmless at first glance, but they can disproportionately target poor and homeless individuals. In the United States in particular, homelessness has been notoriously criminalized, despite the fact that there are over 550,000 people without homes. Being homeless itself is not illegal, but there are plenty of restrictions around where individuals can camp, loiter, and panhandle. Many businesses also will not allow people to use their restrooms without purchasing something first, leaving homeless people with no access to toilets and running water.

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Breaking a car window to save a dog in a hot car.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World You can be fined 135 € for giving food to (non-ukrainian) refugees in Calais, France.

The irony is that the fine for giving food to pigeons in the same city is ~100 €.

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Maciej Zajaczkowski
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's just sick. How can giving food to anyone be a crime. Also, what if you give it as friend to friend?

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Publishing evidence of government war crimes and other illegal activity.

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Taking food out of trash cans and picking up clothes retailers dump behind their stores seem like perfectly harmless ways for the poor to gain resources and reduce waste, but even those acts are illegal in certain places. With no access to food and no money for clothing, it’s ridiculous to criminalize acts of survival. Even those who have cars but are living in poverty are faced with a mountain of restrictions. It can be extremely challenging to find places that allow overnight parking, and sleeping in a car is illegal in many places as well, with the risk of racking up exorbitant parking tickets. For individuals who don’t feel safe returning home, perhaps due to an abusive partner or parent, they should feel secure knowing that there is somewhere to go.

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#22

Removing those metal beams that stop homeless people from sleeping on park benches.

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Marco Hub-Dub
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wasn’t it Santa Cruz, CA that voted out all city council or county supervisors who voted for “anti-humanity” (not inhumane, for whatever reason) public development?

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In Japan? Recycling someone's garbage without permission. Touching their garbage at all. You could use a discarded couch and save it from the garbage dump, but be arrested for it.

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Hphizzle
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel like this needs a bit more of an explanation. In Japan, you don’t just throw anything away. Garbage is sorted into no less than 3 categories (but usually closer to 6-8 categories). There is a size limit to most of those. No one would put a couch out to the curb. You would either have the city pick it up from your place or you would have to bring it to the dump yourself (and pay a butt ton of money for either of those services). Most still-usable items can go to the resale shops. Also most other items have to stripped down and divide into the different garbage types. Like an umbrella. Plastic pieces would go in non-burnable, cloth goes in burnable, metal parts go in the metal/glass bag. So finding a whole item with all its parts would be hard to find anyway. And yes, it takes a while to learn how to sort your garbage here.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Lemonade stands. Your child's lemonade stand can teach them valuable lessons and are pretty harmless but can be shutdown without permit and department of health inspections.

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Lastly, sometimes individuals need to break laws intentionally to fight against discrimination. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested five times during his life, fighting for equality. Susan B. Anthony was arrested for voting in New York in 1872. In 2020, over 17,000 people were arrested during Black Lives Matter protests following the murder of George Floyd. In times of injustice, doing something illegal can be the best way to illustrate your strong morals.

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Saying gay in FL, assisting trans kids in TX and ID, protecting womens lives with medical care, etc

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

FVck the patriarchy when I’m of age I’m leaving this sad excuse for a country

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Taking a child from a abusive parent while they have custody.

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Anna Lessens
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So it's illegal to save children now....good luck when they go down a path of self hate

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Sharing medication. I understand that it can be dangerous in some circumstances. But, for example, I work in childcare, and if a child was dying of an asthma attack, I wouldn't be allowed to share my inhaler to potentially save their life. Most people with asthma use the exact same medication, and I don't think a couple of pumps of inhaler would endanger anyone unless they're severely allergic. If I was ever actually in that situation, I think I'd struggle not to share mine. Having the life-saving medication right there and not being allowed to use it seems crazy to me.

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While we can be certain that morals will never be universally agreed upon, let's not forget that it's okay to question the laws that are in place. Sure, we agree to abide by them, but that does not require abandoning critical thinking. Let's all weigh the pros and cons of breaking some silly laws, and consider what our consciences think. I listened, and my conscience is saying that adding a quarter to someone else's parking meter will bring some good karma.

Have you ever been caught breaking a law by doing something you considered moral? We'd love to hear about it in the comments, and don't forget to upvote all of the responses you found most shocking.

#28

“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In my country, feeding street dogs.

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#29

“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In Germany: putting your empty beer bottle next to the trash can in cities instead of into the trash can. It's in principle littering, but it makes it so bottle collectors don't have to crawl through the trash (there is a deposit on the bottles).

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Laura Ketteridge
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It isn't just littering that the problem. The bottles can break and cause a hazard. I've seen many smashed bottles.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World In my state, KY, it is illegal to marry the same person 3 times. So I would say that would qualify as moral but illegal.

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James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If it's not worked out after two attempts then i'd say that this law is to protect people from themselves. :)

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#31

“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Allowing the homeless to live in empty and/or abandoned buildings.

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Laura Ketteridge
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would not be happy about anyone living in the building in the picture! It looks desperately unsafe.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Refilling parking meters for other people.

Years ago, I worked in an affluent town where parking spots where at a premium. This town also had a notoriously efficient parking enforcement troupe. As I mentioned this was an affluent town, so the real crimes (domestic abuse, assaults, etc.) were rarely reported to keep property values high…

I digress.

Sometimes I would get to park a block or two out of my way to park on a residential street that didn’t require a permit. Otherwise I would be forced to feed the meter two dollars for two hours, then after four dollars for four hours if you didn’t move your car then you would find a citation on your windshield without exception.

So, I would take the change out of my cup holders when I had some and feed meters I saw going low in my walk to work.

One day this parking attendant saw me from across the street feeding a meter, and shouted for me to stay where I was. She darted towards me completely ignoring the crosswalk (haha). Asked me if that was my car, I asked, what did that matter?

She persisted in my answering her question, but ignoring mine. So, I just told her I had to get to work and went about my day.

The NEXT day it was like a sting operation, I fed two quarters into a meter I saw had only twenty minutes remaining. No sooner did I turn the handle than she came up behind me from the side alley.

She’s shouting at me like I had smashed storefront windows with Molotovs. Next thing I know she is berating me about how much I was costing her personally and the town in lost revenue by doing this for the past few weeks. She wrote me a damn citation for almost a hundred dollars.

I of course went to the magistrate to fight it and he dismissed it without a thought. Felt good until she found out what car was mine and was Johnny on the spot with parking tickets from then on.

Fun Fact:

The town soon after raised enough money to install digital solar powered meters. So they could just automatically fine you the microsecond the time limit lapsed. However, by accident I realized that the machines where inoperable on overcast days.

So, on my way home from work (town was almost deserted by 9pm) I took egg and charcoal from the kitchen I worked and would rub that s**t on every meter I walked by.

Never once was I stopped for vandalism.

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Chucky Cheezburger
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, this is just a craphole town wanting revenue. That's what alot of "policeing" is nowadays...revenue collection.

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#33

Letting the unhoused sleep in their cars or have a camp setup.

We could just provide basic services and housing for folks but since we as a society refuse...

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#34

I haven’t seen this one..

Stealing an abused animal, I understand ‘stealing’ is illegal, but there’s a lot of animals and pets the world that aren’t taken care of, or abused, so people who want to help them don’t have a way to do it without possibly taking the animal into proper care.

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#35

“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World A city in my state was having a city cleanup, where they put stuff on their curb to send to the landfill, Fridges appliances couches etc. the city workers reminded everyone it was "illegal" to take these instead of letting the city workers pick them up.

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#36

Consensual sex work.

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2 years ago

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#37

Whistleblowing. Supposedly legal...but you know the drill.

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#38

In Europe, rescuing african people adrift in the mediterranean to prevent them from drowning.

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User# 6
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not illegal to rescue them, it is illegal to take them in to the EU afterwards.

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#39

In the US in some states I believe, it's illegal to stop your car if you see a cat in the road.

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#40

Be a russian politician against Putin.

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Scagsy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being anything Russian against Putin. I heard that he got his schoolteacher sent to the gulags for giving him homework once.

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#41

Banksy artwork.

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Mir Adwari
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A lot of places in the UK try and protect it when it appears now. Generates interest.

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#42

“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Any form of nonviolent resistance.

If you're born into a country where the government has arrogated to itself a monopoly on violence, you really have no option except nonviolent resistance/protest.

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#43

Beating the living daylights out of someone who breaks into your home.

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We had a case in the UK of an elderly gentleman who accidentally killed a home intruder because his informed wife was in the other room and he feared for her safety so he fought back. The court found him innocent on the grounds of self-defence, but he was forced to move because the family of the man he had killed started hounding his home.

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#44

Self defense in half of America. Unless your assailant survives and admits in court to attacking you specifically at your trial...

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#45

Telling prospects looking for an apartment if there are kids living upstairs.

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LagoonaBlueColleen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thing is, that could change when couples without kids start having kids, or when a new family moves in. Who knows. You might get a dancer practicing, especially a ballet dancer with their hard pointe shoes. Or you might get a weight lifter, someone with a treadmill, a Wii Dance Revolution mat, a clumsy person that drops everything, a heavy footed walker. Tbh, it would be a pain the a**e for a landlord to meticulously place tenants on floors based on lifestyles and family status. That's why there are rules for reasonable noise levels during certain times that are realistic for everyone. Or maybe the landlord could install better soundproofing in the walls and floors.

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#47

It's not exactly good samaritan moral but smoking Marijuana is still illegal in most of the developed world, despite all the scientific studies showing it's lack of negative consequences.

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donna peluda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not saying it shouldn't be regulated but to say it has no negative consequences is not true. Paranoia, depression, long term loss of cognitive abilities, lack of focus, memory loss etc. Plus the damage to lungs. I'm not saying alcohol is good either.

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“What Is Moral But Illegal?”: 30 People Are Sharing Some Of The Dumbest Laws Around The World Taking broken apple products, salvaging the parts that still work, and then selling the refurbished parts to someone in another country.

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Anna Lessens
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yet the company does that and it's called, " recycling" and " eco-capitalism"

#49

In my country, it is illegal to offer a lift in a private vehicle.

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#50

Apparently eating ice cream while walking down bank street on a Sunday is still considered illegal! Gotta love old laws

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Beck
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having an ice cream cone in your pocket at the movies! And your must have a lantern tied to your hood going the wrong way down a one way.

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#51

Stashing water and food on the USA-Mexico borders desert area.

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#52

Registering your child in a different school district for better benefits, whilst also being in a different district. This can cause people to be charged with fraud(which makes absolutely no sense).

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#53

Allowing your child to have gender affirming healthcare in texas.

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#54

Grabbing your elderly neighbors mail out of the mailbox for them.

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#55

Fixing someone's car in an apartment parking lot. They have to get to work.

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Adrienne Mcginley
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As long as a person isn't running an auto-body shop out of a parking lot that should be allowed. A neighbor got fined because it took too long to get his car fixed.

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#56

Denmark:

Taking back in items once trashed by you or others (for reuse, for example if someone threw a piece of furniture out that you want to have)

Signaling (with headlights) oncoming vehicles that they're missing a light

Honking if the car in front of you hasn't noticed the traffic light has become green

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm all in support of the third. Needless honking sucks when it catches you off-guard as a pedestrian. I am sure the world will not end if you have to wait an extra 5 second for the person in front of you

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#57

In these countries (Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Dominica, Ghana, Grenada, Jamaica, Nigeria, Oman, Philippines, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Trinidad and Tobago, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe) it's illegal to wear camo.

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#58

Pirating Adobe products. It's always morally correct

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Phil Vaive
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There should be a follow-up post to this one about things that are legal but shouldn't be. Paying monthly fees to use a product should be number one on that list.

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#59

Minor rule-breaking like jaywalking in a quiet residential neighborhood, putting a dog poop bag in a 7-11 dumpster, playing with your dog off leash in an empty park, etc. The people in my neighborhood HATE all of these things but like... What's the harm. C'mon.

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Duncan Rogers
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this right here is my son's left leg. And this is why there are (and should be) leash laws for public spaces. As you might expect the owner of the bull mastiff that did this to my son told us he was peaceful and would "never bite anyone". It wasn't even 15 minutes later that I was holding a compress on my sons leg while waiting for an ambulance. So when you ask whats the harm...look at the photo and try to imagine the trauma being attacked by a 'friendly' dog would inflict on a 10 year old boy. IMG_0371-6...f52656.jpg IMG_0371-62729c5f52656.jpg

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#60

Overthrowing the government.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looking at you Donald Trump. Can't wait for you to pay the price. But let's not forget, you failed. Again.

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#61

Running a Red Light if someone's life depended on it.

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#62

Stealing food from Walmart because you're starving.

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#63

Flashing your high-beams to warn oncoming drivers they are approaching a speed trap.

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John Carr
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here in Ireland the Garda (police) commissioner stated that it's legal but immoral

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#64

hanging anything in your rear view mirror while driving (those car scent things)

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User# 6
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How is this morally right? Doing anything that takes away your attention whilst driving is just dumb.

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#65

Lying to the police. After all, they can lie to you.

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LagoonaBlueColleen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you can lie to police, they're taking down your statements for court and those lies are gonna come back to bite you in the end.

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#66

Selling drugs to adults. The adults are fully aware that they are buying drugs, they're aware of the results of taking the drugs and have consenting to those things when buying the drugs. The drug dealer is only selling a product to people who want it and usually seek the drug dealer out for that sole purpose.

Obviously pushing drugs is wrong and selling drugs to anyone underage is also wrong, but what consenting adults choose to do to themselves should be entirely up to them.

For anyone who says drugs fund worse crimes, they only do that BECAUSE they're illegal. That means the illegality is at fault for that, not the drug sales.

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User# 6
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, no. I can assure you addicts are not fully aware of the results and consequences of their choice. When you're addicted, all logic goes out of the window.

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#67

Tax evasion.

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#68

Driving with an expired license, you can be the safest driver ever and havya flawless record, you'll still get a really unfair punishment in some US States such a Virginia.

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James
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't agree with this one - you have a moral obligation to confirm that you are a safe driver.

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