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This Woman Doesn’t See Her Mom At Award Ceremony Because She Missed It To Be With Her Autistic Brother, Cuts All Ties With Her
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This Woman Doesn’t See Her Mom At Award Ceremony Because She Missed It To Be With Her Autistic Brother, Cuts All Ties With Her

Daughter Doesn’t See Her Mom At Award Ceremony Because She Missed It To Be With Her Autistic Brother, Cuts All Ties With HerThis Woman Doesn’t See Her Mom At Award Ceremony Because She Missed It To Be With Her Autistic Brother, Cuts All Ties With Her“I’m Heartbroken”: Woman Cancels On Daughter’s Award Ceremony Last Minute Because Of Her Autistic Son, Gets Cut Out CompletelyMom Constantly Missed Daughter's Important Events Because She Has An Autistic Son, Wonders If She Deserves The Silent Treatment She Is Being GivenMom Not Coming To This Woman's Award Ceremony Because Her Autistic Brother Had A Meltdown Was The Last Straw, So She Cut Ties With HerWoman Who's Raising An Autistic Son Misses Her Daughter’s Awards Ceremony, Gets Silent Treatment For Not Being There For HerThis Woman Doesn’t See Her Mom At Award Ceremony Because She Missed It To Be With Her Autistic Brother, Cuts All Ties With HerThis Woman Doesn’t See Her Mom At Award Ceremony Because She Missed It To Be With Her Autistic Brother, Cuts All Ties With HerThis Woman Doesn’t See Her Mom At Award Ceremony Because She Missed It To Be With Her Autistic Brother, Cuts All Ties With Her
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Very often various unwelcome news, accidents, or tragedies show us who our real friends and trustworthy family members are. Even though we might think that those who are close to us won’t leave us when things start to look bad, unfortunately, that’s not always the case. Hard life events often alter the lives of families, changing the relationship between their members. One of the examples could be considered the story by Reddit user @u/waltzingaway78, who wanted to ask others online whether what happened between her and her daughter could’ve been handled differently. The post that received more than 24k upvotes was commented on by many other Reddit users who didn’t hold back their opinions.

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The author of the post shared that she became a single mom after her husband died, leaving her with two little kids, a daughter and a son. Soon after, the woman learned that her son was autistic. This made the situation even more severe as the boy wasn’t communicating much and would have physical meltdowns, but the woman shared that therapy helped to control this situation. The mom shared that because of this, she became a primary caregiver to her son and didn’t hide the fact that finding the right help was hard.

Reddit user decided to share the situation she had to face after her daughter no longer wanted to deal with her because she missed her awards ceremony

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The woman revealed that she takes care of her autistic son who requires a lot of attention

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The whole family situation escalated further when OP’s daughter grew up and a week before her graduation, there was an awards ceremony, to which she invited her mom. All was well because the mom was very proud of her daughter and assured her that she would come to see her daughter being awarded. For this occasion, the author of the post hired a trained specialist to stay with her son. However, once the woman was ready to leave, her son had a meltdown and instead of leaving the sitter to handle the situation, the mom stayed with her son, once again missing one of her daughter’s important events.

The mom shared that she also has a daughter who was graduating and was invited to her awards ceremony

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Despite saying that she would be there, the woman missed the ceremony because she had to stay in for her son

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After the ceremony, the daughter called her mom and was very much upset after going through another disappointment, reminding her mom of all the times she skipped her events to be with her brother instead. The woman poured her heart out, revealing how it’s hard to be around her brother and how she finally was “done” with years of disappointment, so after hanging up, she stopped communicating with her mom and brother. OP revealed that her daughter hasn’t sent her tickets to her graduation, didn’t show up over the holidays, and she even heard that her daughter was engaged, but she hasn’t shared news about this either.

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After this incident, the daughter told her mom how she felt about being left alone in situations like these and decided to cut contact with her

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The woman shared that it was easier not to have her mom and her brother around

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OP shared that since the incident, she has only spoken with her daughter a few times, and during one of these interactions, she told her mom that it was better for her not to have them in her life as this way she won’t be disappointed. Despite knowing what she did wrong, the author of the post thought that she shouldn’t have lost her daughter over something that was another “emergency”. However, a lot of people online found this to be not quite the truth as the woman herself shared that her daughter was upset not just because of this particular event, but for years of missed milestones, events, awards ceremonies, and other events. 

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The original poster thought it’s not fair that because of something that was an emergency, she was out of her daughter’s life

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Having to take care of a kid who has autism is of course challenging, and a lot of times parents spend all their time and effort trying to make their everyday life as easy as possible. However, in cases when a family has more than one kid, there is a high chance that the other sibling might feel neglected or forgotten. According to WebMD, a news site that covers insightful information on health shares that parents aren’t the only ones who have to adjust to the situation of having an autistic son or daughter. But it’s also important to understand how it will affect their other kids. What is crucial in this situation is that a parent should talk about it with their kid, listen to how they feel about it, what is their relationship with their sibling, not forgetting the fact that they also need their parents’ love and support. The best way to do so is by having some one-on-one time with their child to do things that they enjoy and be involved in their life too to avoid the situation where they would resent their parents for not being there for them. 

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However, a lot of people online didn’t think that the mother was right in this situation, reminding her of how much she missed of her daughter’s life

Many commentators agreed with the daughter’s decision, reminding the mom that she has two kids she had to take care of

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liam newton-harding
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why would the daughter send the mother and engagement party, or Wedding invitation? She KNOWS the mother won't turn up. There is ALWAYS going to be an "emergency".

Parriah
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's so SO hard to give up. You think you can, and then you see a friend's mom so attentive and keep hoping..

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Amused panda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. I'm not clear whether OP was downplaying what happened when her son had an outburst, whether lashing out translate as physical assault of the sitter for her to class what happened as an emergency, or whether the 'emergency' is simply how she refers to the son being upset. Yes, she'd hired a specialist sitter which showed willing to attend, but if OP had reason to anticipate her son would have an outburst when she was leaving, couldn't she have planned for an earlier departure or introduced the sitter on an earlier occasion(s) for a shorter period to ease her son it? What to me defines YTA is the subsequent comment her daughter didn't send her tickets to the graduation, doesn't call and she's only spoken to her 3 times since. A) Her daughter probably preferred to give those tickets to friends than be disappointed by empty seats; b) OP could have gone, waited outside and seen her daughter after the ceremony; c) OP hasn't commented daughter is not taking calls - is OP trying to call?

Beth Bartel
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What exactly does this mother think is going to happen to her son when she's gone?

John
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Probably expected the daughter to come and do dedicate rest of her life handling him.

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AliJanx
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gotta say, I'm with the daughter on this one. I wonder what would have happened if OP had the caregiver come for a few hours each day in preparation for the graduation? If he's severely debilitated, should OP consider a different environment altogether? Maybe it's time for a group home or a caregiving facility? Anything to keep the family whole. Also, Daughter may be concerned that Son will become her responsibility once OP passes. Easier to cut off ties now.../

Lawrence mcalistar
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A group home a care facility? To keep family whole sounds like someone's missing , if she's worried they need to talk about it instead of reacting on perception

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CanidaeVulpes
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really don’t know much about autism, so please don’t downvote. I just can’t help but think, that maybe some of the sons behavior has been learned. Like, if the mom has missed everything that the daughter was doing on account of the son, maybe he’s learned to have his outbursts when she’s planning on leaving. Being the youngest child of a single parent that has been taken care of his whole life just seems like a recipe for this type of behavior. Being autistic, I don’t think, makes you immune from that… Either way, I might read up more on autism. it seems to be more common so it would be good to understand.

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an autist, I feel like mom has been babying her son too hard. There's literally a trained autist carer right there, yet one basic meltdown that the carer can most likely easily take care of (ITS HER LITERAL JOB) and it's suddenly a major emergency where she has to stay home??? This kid is never gonna be pushed outside of his comfort zone, when she's too old to take care of him and he has to be send to a care home how is he gonna cope???

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At a guess, the daughter wasn't really mothered so much as left to cope, and while the mom's focus on her autistic child is understandable, the daughter's reaction is, as well. One of my godsons is deep on the spectrum, his sibling (an honorary godkid) feels like they've been forced itno the roles of caregiver and home-manager far too young b/c the parents are always focused on the child with "special needs". All kids have needs. One of my godsons is severely autistic, and his sibling calls themself "The Third Parent" at age 12. It's shi**y all around. I don't blame the daughter... but I do wonder why the mother is surprised or hurt.

Stacey Dea Pack
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spot on! “daughter wasn't really mothered so much as left to cope”! My mom told me she never had to worry about me whereas she always worried about my sis. (She thought I was this “successful executive world traveler” cuz I went to Italy w/bf when I was 23 so was now a “wealthy world traveler” in her eyes. NOPE.) I ran away at 16 (physical/mental abuse) and worked hard to succeed in life. My mom thought it came to me easily. But I struggled like anyone else left on their own trying to get ahead, but in her eyes..I was a success so she didn’t worry about me. Can’t tell u how many times I needed a parent’s help or support growing up and as a young adult..I just learned to cope w/o it. Whereas my sis has never lived a day w/o my mom’s love and support. TBH..I guess it was a blessing as my sis is so crippled now cuz mom coddled & rescued her, her entire life. Still hurts tho. Don’t care how old u are…everyone needs their mama & her support/love. But yes, I just learned to cope w/o it.

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Jen Hart
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm certainly no child care expert, let alone throwing autism into the mix, but have observed toddlers / preschoolers pitching fits when a parent leaves. The more the parent "coddled" the kid and prolonged the departure, the worse the kid's would throw fits. When parents gave a hug with "love you and see you later," and left...yes the kid might still have some fussing after parent leaves, but eventually calmed. The protracted departures had the kid fussing much longer. (Babysat as a teen, and later volunteered at son's preschool). Sounds like mom in the story didn't give things a chance to work out :(

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, kid has to be pushed out of jis comfort zone eventually... when she's too old or dead to take care of him, how's he gonna cope with being moved to a facility when he's never even been left alone with a carer???

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Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yta but i dont like how some comments call the brother a shithead as if its his fault, it's the mom's fault, and yes hes technically the reason her mom ignored her but that choice was the mom's, no nned to insult him like that

Magpie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, the brother may have strong special needs, but mom is throwing him under the bus, using him as an excuse for her failures. Is it rough, absolutely. But who gives up & doesn't even bother to be a parent to their other child? Not the brother's fault at all.

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D. Pitbull
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So - I get there are different levels of autism. I get that the autistic kid isn't at fault... really though... the POINT of this post (that I see) is the mother willfully downplaying the fact that her absence and negligence has been *consistent throughout her daughter's entire life* - it sounds like there were never even any creative solutions made... - say... replace 'autistic child' with a disability, or a chronic illness. *something* could be done... a livestream, a proxy who comes bearing the gifts and sentiments 'standing in specifically' for the mom... SOMETHING to show that she took more than a few seconds to give a f**k about her daughter... this post sounds like it was just always "Well, I have your brother to take care of... so sorry - you understand right?" Repeat over and over ... and only NOW she asks if she's in the wrong because the daughter FINALLY said "I'm going to stop giving more than I'm receiving".

Elizabeth Whitacre
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I decided to exchange"autistic child" with my disability, epilepsy. I don't have outbursts but I have seziures and starring spells that later can be emergencies. My mom did similar to my younger sister that this mom did. I was diagnosed at 18 (2 yrs older than my sister) and not once during any emergency was it necessary for my mom to miss my sister's events. However, my mom sure had no problem using me for that excuse. As a result, it put a strain our relationship and after mom died..it all came out. I'm on board with the sister. This mom not only moral but legal obligation to actually care for her daughter. Her daughter not only survived but thrived without her and mom is asking questions..too late for that. But then again, first borns are usually the parents' trial runs.

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Yili Lai
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While my first position is that this is a hard place and a rock I think I'd have to agree with everyone. As a nurse I can completely see that it could be a dangerous situation with the caretaker and the son, but this would have gone a lot better with more planning and contingencies and communication. Again I would stress that it is a DIFFICULT situation, but having plans B and C will in place in case the son does have an episode and talking to the daughter the whole time. It sounds like for most of her life the daughter was basically an afterthought and had to raise herself while the mom and the son is more of a family unit, so it makes complete sense that this was her last straw. It sounds like if the mom had taken more of an interest in the daughters life, keep reaching oucommunicating

Yili Lai
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she expects the daughter to come back in her life when she hasn't done anything to change how she has acted towards her. Her son has gone through every single therapy but has the daughter? She probably had a lot of trauma with her dads passing and her mom not being there as well as her brother, sounds like nothing was addressed in her daughters life. So yes I do think the mom is in a hard place but it's also kinda expected when the daughter has been neglected her whole life.

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Jason K
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's clear that the commenters on this post, both here and there, don't really understand the different degrees of autism. There are some who sit and bang their heads against the wall until they are bloody and groggy. She mentioned he's largely non-verbal, that's a pretty good indication of severe debilitation. When these events occur, sometimes you just can't leave and it takes constant care. This is an important topic, as autism is quite prevalent, and some understanding would do everyone some good.

John
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And there was a professional caretaker who specializes in taking care of autistic people right there, unless misrepresented, probably has taken care of numerous autistic people, right there as the son has a meltdown. Mother also showed she just trying to gain sympathy and talking about how this is all about her. How it's not her fault, How it's NOT on her she can't leave her son in the hands of a PROFESSIONAL for a few hours for something important for her daughter.

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Deborah B
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think if it had been one emergency, it wouldn't have destroyed their relationship. Reading between the lines, the daughter has had a string of 'emergencies' resulting in mom not showing up for her. If Mom wants to be part of her daughter's life, maybe she needs to show how she's prepared to change - for example, by getting autistic son into a routine with a regular sitter/ respite care one day a week, then contacting the Daughter, apologising, and asking to come and visit, and be able to show that she has taken steps to make sure she won't cancel again. Promises and good intentions are empty words to Daughter by now.

Dude dude The second
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. at the risk of sounding like a unintelligible monkey, I would like to say that you might be enabling your son by always staying like this. Let him see that mommy won’t always be there for him, because you won’t always be there. Additionally, you have serially neglected your daughter. Give her the recognition she deserves

TheKitKatLizard
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, if he's gonna go to a facilitu when mommy is too old or dead to take care of him, how in Gods name is he supposed to cope with that when he's never even been alone with a professional carer for a day or two??? Autists have trouble adjusting and this DEFINITELY will make such a change worse...

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Mrs.Pugh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, Im on the daughter's side. Sorry mom🤷🏽‍♀️. As many others have pointed out, there was already a caretaker at the house, but you clearly didn't trust them enough to stay with your son alone, so you missed yet another one of your daughter's events. Congrats! Im sure the daughter didn't want to cut the mother off and im sure she doesn't hate her just angry and frustrated that her own mother didn't come to any of her events ever in her life. I would be too tbh. I don't have much to say but yeah, yta I guess.

Alex Martin
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH. This family got dealt a bad hand. Dead father. Severely autistic son/brother. The daughter never had a chance to have an involved parent. Mom never had a real opportunity to be there for her daughter due to son's condition. I understand and appreciate the position both are in. Daughter cut ties because knowing that someone will never be there for you is no much easier than hoping they'll show up but then being heart broken when they don't. Mom has an adult son with severe autism. If you've ever worked with kids with severe autism it is terribly overwhelming. When they have an outburst there can be screaming, yelling, broken stuff, injury to the child and injuries to the caregiver. At one job we had to wear Kevlar sleeves when interacting with one specific child and if he really got going three of us would have to take him outside, lay him on the grass, and hold his extremities while cushioning his head until he exhausted himself.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nope she had years and years to plan or make arrangements for her son to be with her daughter. Single mom two kids she definitely had assistance and kid has state insurance I’m sure. There a day cares, facilities, day camps, programs but she chose to do it 24/7 for his whole life. She made the situation. Rather then Entrusting a professional she ditch her daughter for 18+yrs. She never had parents her whole life.

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Brianna Tracy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I honestly do not see anyone being an *a*****e* in this situation. So extremely hard on all of them. I always try and put myself square in each persons shoes to see what I would do and how I would feel in each situation, and I just don’t know with this one. First of all, we do not know how severe this man’s autism is. Do I feel this daughters pain? Absolutely and I even think she has every right to be angry at the situation. Do I think the mother should prepare for these types of situations better so she can be equally there for her other child, no matter the severity of the one’s disability? Yes, I do. But I would not call this mother an AH. We all just try to do our best here and hopefully she figures out a way to get her daughter back. Having a child with an extreme disability is not for the faint of heart.

William Henley
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA: I see this with sick kids as well. I've had a cousin who would spend months at a time in the hospital, and parents would sit there at the hospital. Granted the kid is sick, but there are other kids at home who need them, and if the condition is stable, there is no reason both parents need to be at the hospital at the same time for weeks at a time. I have an autistic brother who lives at home. The state provides caregivers free of charge. My parents have been able to take trips and vacations together on their own, and attend events for me while a caregiver (paid by the state) takes care of my brother for a few days (or even weeks). You decided to be the primary caregiver and not trust others. As such, you prioritized one kid over the other. Not only are YTA, but I'm on your daughter's side and am glad she cut off the toxic relationship she had with you.

LayDiva in the Zone
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's definitely TA. I have a son with Autism and I also have another son who doesn't. I always made sure to spend time with him and do things with him without his brother. It's a lot on a kid to deal with a sibling who may not know how to show affection and can even be mean to the other siblings. If she had her child in therapy like she claims, then her son would be used to being left in a sitter's care. Sounds like he may be a little manipulative if that's the case, but Mom still has an obligation to her daughter. I'd cut them off, and surround myself with people who genuinely want to show up for me, and who don't make excuses.

Just saying
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if the mum is actually co-dependent on her son, if her identity is so enmeshed with her caring role for him that the thought of someone else being able to manage his outbursts in some way undermines her core identity. If someone else can do it, what is her whole life even about? So she thinks she can leave him, but when push comes to literal shove, it's important for her that she's the one who sorts him out.

gotham-panda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mom of autistic children, I've seen exactly this is SO MANY other moms in our group. It becomes a case of no one else can care for them the "right way" like mommy does. The saddest part is, when mommy is gone (and some day she will be) that child is suddenly thrown into a very different and frightening world.

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Brenda Willis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have any experience with autism, so please tell me if this is not possible. Could the brother be having these meltdowns with the intent of keeping his mother at home? It seems very odd that these situations always occur when the mom has plans to leave the brother home and spend time with the OP. Could it be, not necessarily an act, but a manoeuvre to keep his mom home with him?

C.G Mullins
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It wouldn't be a conscious maneuver. But any type of change in the routine, a new caregiver (the mom leaving) would trigger an autistic meltdown. Those on the lower end of the spectrum do not have the words to be able to communicate effectively how they feel. They "hurt" inside, and because they can't explain that, they hurt themselves and others. As the son was an adult, it can be horribly violent.

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millac
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That she didn't go to the graduation, even without a ticket, is very telling. That was her last shot, and she missed it. She should have showed up, apologized profusely, showered the daughter with praise and special attention, and taken her to dinner. She didn't bother, so now it's over. A scene from the TV show "Yellowstone" comes to mind: there is a religious funeral, and two characters were not invited, but are standing at a distance, observing. One says "I don't think they want us here" and goes to leave, but the other stops them to say "Even if they don't want us, they need to know we care enough to stay." This woman did not care enough to endure the awkwardness of staying, and so she lost her place.

Ray Arani
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP is definitely TA. For all reasons stated, but also ... Autistic people can learn. I don't know this boy or his diagnosis, but from what's been told, it sounds like he should be high functioning enough to have had it explained to him at some point that sometimes his mom needs to be elsewhere. He's autistic, it's okay for him to have meltdown, that's part of his coping mechanisms for life, and that's fine, but Id be willing to bet he could learn to accept that the entire world won't stop spinning when that happens. I'm guessing OP never bothered to teach him that, which is probably contributing to his inability to express empathy. Most therapies are more focused on helping people learn to be more functional in society, and put less emphasis on empathy and sympathy, emotional skills. Like anyone, autistic people will pick up on how the world works through experiencing it. If this boy has always experienced everything revolving around him, or at least his mom always revolving around him then of course that's all he'll expect, and it'll be harder to process when he perceives that changing. In his experience, mom always gives him attention and never gives it to his sister. Why should he show empathy when it's how he's been taught the world works?

C.G Mullins
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Non-verbal means low-functioning, not high functioning. Learning would be impossible.

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Violet Jensen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. As an AUTISTIC CHILD— not parent, not sibling. Diagnosed at age 2, autistic. I have 6 other siblings and I get what attention they have time for! They balance it! You had a trained babysitter and STILL left? For what? You wouldn’t even be home in time before that meltdown was over and he’d moved on!

Magpie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also seems like the mom is kind of throwing the autistic child under the bus, for an excuse, you know. What mom went through was challenging, but she allowed it to be unnecessarily challenging on her daughter by only parenting one child.

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Fuyuuki Fukada
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

100% the AH here. As an autistic person, I can assure the so called "not having empathy only applies if there is not enough info to help us PERCEIVE others' emotional states. If such contexts ate not needed, we actually have MORE empathy than NTs (such as physical pain, and for me, I feel for every pain except the male organ). But right at the very moment mom's about to leave him? He's throwing a TANTRUM to make sure mommy's always by his side. I hate to say that, he is manipulating his mom and leaves his sister in the dust and he knows it perfectly well. He knows he's the golden child and hates his sister's existence and wants to get rid of her. So he is the biggest AH, with mom a very close second. As a matter of fact, for him to pull himself together, it is necessary for him to expose to the outside world just like everybody else (for me, I'm actually the one facing outside world MOST b/c bros' too shy). It's so sad that he is already an grown adult and still pulls this sh*t.

Shina Kohana
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed on the empathy part. My son is autistic and we worked with therapists to teach him empathy. He's the big brother out of my 2 kids by 3 years. With the right therapy and trusting the therapists to train me, he has been the most caring big brother EVER. I wear my heart on my sleeve but his empathy makes me look cold-hearted at times. I couldn't be more proud of his accomplishments! Social cues are harder for him so we parents were trained to verbalize everything. "You were so thoughtful for doing that! Good job! We love to see you doing that! Keep it up, sweetie!" He just turned 10. <3 Hyper focusing is a problem too, so we were taught how detract attention from the stressors. He now does them himself! I'm seriously proud of him.

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Elizabeth Whitacre
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA..the mom has 2 kids. Though on the flip side, I am the disabled sibling and older by 2 yrs. I do have epilepsy and my mom would use me to not show up at my sister's events by using my little "emergencies". This caused a huge strain in our relationships. In the end, after mom died and my sister and I talked..she realized I never wanted to be the reason. All performances the mom missed because of the son, but for the one that broke the Camel's back, a professional was there which she decided to stay. She made that choice. It's good the daughter made hers.

Jennifer Lee
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When a child is this severely autistic, to the point that the lives of all family members are negatively impacted over and over and over again, you have a MORAL OBLIGATION to prioritize your other children over the autistic child. If that means putting the autistic child in an institution, so be it. At the very least, you know you absolutely HAVE TO sedate a melt-down prone child when you plan to leave the house for an important event. I find it odd that the mother's feelings of guilt only extend to the son, and not to the daughter whose childhood she RUINED with her gross incompetence.

Shina Kohana
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. I have an autistic son as well. HOWEVER. Even with my husband alive, we have MA for our kids. MA covers a LOT of therapies for autism. We went through years of ECSE(early childhood special education) and other outside therapies. The reason my autistic kid has turned out fine is because I didn't baby him. When he had his meltdowns, I didn't coddle him(I'd talk him through it if it was bad, but never coddled), sure: people called me a s****y parent. But I also saw what coddling an autistic kid just because of "special needs" did to families. From nonverbal to high functioning. A LOT of this does indeed come from the environment that the parent gave. You reap what you sow. You never trusted the therapists. YOU were mom and YOU knew better, even though you weren't specially trained for autism. That's the main problem with parents that have special needs kids. Fact is: you DON'T know better. Hence the therapist: they are literally trained to train you AND help the kid.

Suzanne Wolford
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have 4 children G16/B14/B10/G8 my boys are both ADHD and are on the autism spectrum they have outbursts and their behavior is not always on point however we still attend every event no matter what because the correct therapist would have informed you that taking a child with disabilities out in public frequently teaches them how to behave in public you should not be ashamed to take your child with disabilities out in public society understands more than you think if you had educated your daughter about his disabilities she would understand this and be willing to have him at her events and he would be learning how to control himself in public either way should have still been there for your daughter I don't feel sorry for you your the one who needs to realize you screwed I don't blame her at all

Janet Howe
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand how the daughter feels. All of her life she's had to take a backseat to her brother's needs. Mom hired an experienced sitter but couldn't seem to trust her to take care of her son during an outburst. The hurt that daughter feels, and has felt, all of her life is hard to heal. You can't relive those special events. The situation with the son isn't going to change. She'll be taking care of him for the rest of her life. But the special times when her daughter needed her, are gone forever. I know little about autism, but can the son sense that one of these special events was coming up? Could he have acted up, afraid to be left at home by his mother, if she went to daughters games, etc? As I said, I know little of the condition. Is this boy uncontrollable only at times when mom wants to leave him with a sitter? But did she really have to miss every single event throughout her daughter's life? IDK.

Bone Dome Martin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Been here. You've shown by your actions that even though your daughter understands her sibling has a condition, you've placed more importance for 1 child. Unfortunately, words eventually go to the garbage pile & the track record of your actions have spoken loud & clear to her. YTA!!!

Loreitta M Tuthill
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You hired a trained stranger for your son. Knowing your son how did you expect him to react to someone he doesn't know,? You might try finding 2 trained caregivers and pay each to come to your home once or twice a week, or meet you in a park, or some other activity your son likes. Do this do he will get used to them so when you have an occasion to get away there is someone he is familiar with. You may let them stay with him while you go out for coffee. Allow him time to get used to them so you can enjoy your daughters wedding. If I'm correct he had the meltdown because she was a stranger. He was scared. Incorporate these sitters into your lives.

Gwen Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yta...had years to come up with plan to be there for your daughter...you flunked out. Witnessed mother of autistic child take something from non autistic child to give to autistic child to keep him calm...will never get over the heart break her non autistic child showed which was met with a slap...

Elizabeth Ramos
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad I decided to read this post. I work as a Para-Professional Instructional Assistant Severely Disabled. That is what I deal with low functioning Autism cases usually one-on-one. I will say I've encountered many individuals which are down right are unpredictable and very dangerous. I've got to be vigilant at all times. What I've seen with parents is they pacify them with phones or iPads. To keep them from meltdowns at home. Which makes it harder for me to work on tasks that individual has to do. Being that they are used to getting their way to avoid working in class. They aren't in anyway given boundaries at home. So they hit staff or students without regard at full strength, pushing heavy desks/chairs, biting themselves/staff, hitting themselves against walls. I don't think you understand your inconsistent parenting is the problem. Shame on you for ignoring your daughters important day! I understand how she feels I've been hurt by parents showing favoritism towards another sib.

Rebecca Smith
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Literally why is this mom so selfish. I know raising a kid with autism is difficult, but she can't just show blatant favoritism like that.

Lara Verne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH or soft YTA . I understand that caring for autistic person is very difficult and time-consuming, but OP has two children. She said her son had outburst, but did not specify whether was son simply upset, screaming, or if he was violent and dangerous to himself or his sitter. While it's understandable, stay at home when son has violent outburst, I think sitter is trained for this situation. OP mentioned she missed every event in daughter's life. Did son had outburst every time? Daughter is definitely not AH.

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, you'd think a trained autism carer would be trained to handle violent outbursts... tf would mommy do if he had his outburst hours after she had left?? Also when mommy is dead he's gonna have to go to a faciltu for the rest of his life, and there will only be carers to manage his outburts anyways... Autists need a lot more time to adjust to changes, so mom is doing him a massive disservice by not letting him get used to a carer.

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Roby Davidson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. Consistantly failed the daughter. Hopefully daughter found someone who will give her the love and attention she never had as a child

Clara Stallworth
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mom has had 18 years of opportunities to attend her daughter's events and milestones. But, in reading the post, nowhere did I see that the boy was taken out in public settings. I mean, yes, he's nonverbal and is prone to outbursts; however, OP did mention that therapy has helped to control them. But, why did he have to stay home? Why couldn't OP bring him with her to support his sister at events? If OP was worried about the boy having a meltdown while in attendance at an event, she could've taken him outside until he settled down. Or, as she did on her daughter's awards night, hired a trained sitter for when she had a night out. But, instead, OP didn't allow, or trust, the sitter to do their job, and made the fateful decision to stay home with son, causing daughter to cut all ties, but not blaming her little brother. Now, OP has to suffer the consequences of her choices, to the point that she may potentially miss her daughter's wedding.

Yodelis Sosa
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From What I've Read, OP YTA. I Myself Was Born Disabled And Required Many Surgeries In My Childhood. My Mom Raised My Sister And I On Her Own Since We Were 5 & 3. I'm The Oldest. My Mom Made Time For Both Of Us No Matter What. We Were Not Able To Participate In Sports And Programs Due To Being Poor, No Transportation, And My Medical Needs, But Mom ALWAYS Found A Way To Come To Our Awards Ceremonies And Big Celebrations!! I Was Just Thinking To Myself This Week And Remembered A Day Vividly, About A Day I Was In The Hospital Recovering From One Of My Operations. I Was With Mom And She Said She Would Make Me A Cup Soup In The Microwave And Come Back. My Mom Left And Didn't Come Back For A Very Long Time. I Was Afraid And Began To Cry; A Nurse Came In And Asked Me What Happened?? I Could Only Call For My Mommy And Was Scared Something Happened To Her!! The Nurse Went To Investigate And Told Me My Mom Was Outside Smoking (My Mom Knew We Didn't Like That. She Stopped Soon After Though.) ⭐

Yodelis Sosa
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, I Waited, And Waited, And Waited. Mom Didn't Come Back For A Long Time. When She DID Come Back, I Was Relieved And Hugged Her. However, My Mind Would Only Think About The Cup Soup She Had Promised Me. Like What Happened?? But I Didn't Say Anything. Years Later, I'm About A Young Teenager Now, And I Bring Up This Day. My Mom Admitted That She Had To Give My Sister Attention Too!! Even Today, Right Now, Part Of My Heart Breaks, Because I Didn't Realize I Was Keeping My Mom Away From My Sister And Taking Away Some Attention From My Little Sister Who Had To Be Babysat By Strict People. I Also Did Not Realize That My Sister Was NOT Allowed In The Hospital Outside Of Visiting Hours Or Allowed To See Me At Times. I Always Remembered Her There; But Mom Corrected Me Saying She Had To Sneak My Sister In Just To Spend A Night And Hide Her Under The Blankets. When She Was Caught, Mom Had To Do Her Best To Find Someone Able To Take Care Of My Sister. My Point Here Is That OP Has TWO Children. ⭐

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Amy hipps
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hopefully her fiances parents are attentive. She sure wont get it from her mom

A. Embleton
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Single parent of an Autistic person here. Kids were 6 & 4 when dad died & Sister is graduating college, everyone here is full size. Seems like Mom didn't have support (with professionals in all areas but specifically) learning de-escalation, establishing a bond with an outside carer before leaving them with the caree, doesn't seem like there has been anything in terms of trying to find alternative communication (Maybe he had a meltdown because he wanted to see his sister graduate but couldn't say.). All things that could have made this & many other things very different. They also happen to be things I wouldn't have known were even things if it weren't for the support I had from different agencies staffed with professionals. I wouldn't have found those agencies if it weren't for the network between diagnostics & support & I wouldn't have been able to afford it without Universal Healthcare. They should've tried counseling, might have been able to be done at Moms house so no need for car

J. Maxx
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One of the commenters called the the son a "shithead", wow!

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some of us have lived that life and gets us emotional when we hear it time and time again. Nothing but excuses.

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El MasChingon
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

everyone that is calling the mom an AH doesn't understand what having an autistic kid is like as a father of an autistic kid I can empathize with her I'm fortunate that my daughter was a high functioning autistic kid but when she was younger, she was nonverbal and understanding some of her needs was a struggle. this lady is trying the best she can with the situation at hand and although the daughter feels neglected, she needs to understand that the mom is dealing with a special kind of responsibility that will take up a lot of her attention the brother didn't choose to be this way that is just how he was born and it can't be helped.

Hope Tirendi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm wondering about this Autistic brother. Seems he's smart enough to throw temper tantrums whenever mommy is going to do anything for the sister. That doesn't sound like Autism it sounds like a spoiled little brat!

Monica Askew
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At first I was hoping the daughter was just being extra. But the fact that you hired a trained sitter to handle clients just like your son makes you YTA. It sounds like you never showed up for her...ever. When you have kids you are a mother to all of them. Can't make time for one and not the other.

Stacey Dea Pack
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This hit hard as I’m basically the daughter & older sis is the autistic sibling. Except my sis isn’t autistic. She was just loved more by both parents (stepdad raised me) earliest memory is me @3 sitting on edge of bed kicking my feet admiring my new Mary Janes, waiting for dad pick me up for my bday. He showed up days later, left unwrapped doll on porch. He spent entire day with older sis just a mo prior for her bday so I was excited to receive the same. I ran away at age 16 (physical/mental abuse from mom). Been on the sidelines my entire life w/my mom. She even lives w/my sis as my SD died six yrs ago. My mom will go MONTHS w/o talking to me but can’t go a day w/o talking to my sis. That stays with you. No matter how old you are. Hurts to know you never had a parent in your corner. At least if my sis had special needs it might justify all the attention but she was perfectly healthy. Just loved more.

millac
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find it telling that she didn't leave immediately after the son calmed down, nor did she try to show up the very next day, with a gift and a massive apology, nor did she go on graduation day, despite not receiving tickets. She does not mention sending gifts, letters, or cards for birthdays, holidays, etc. or any efforts to regain contact. The mom is very "oh well, what can I do?" and seems fairly nonchalant about it all. Like, she's kind of glad she doesn't have to think about or expend effort on her daughter anymore, but would still like to complain her daughter isn't making an effort so she doesn't look like a bad person.

beckhansen13
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA- It’s not an emergency if a person has a meltdown everyday. There are organizations that help, but mom chose not to go that route and to use the dad’s life insurance money to be a sahm. Wonder if there’s any money left for her daughter?

Meami
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked with severely autistic kids in the public school system and I can tell you it’s an incredibly difficult situation. A meltdown doesn’t mean just kicking and screaming. They are often incredibly violent and the care givers and the autistic person are at risk for severe bodily harm and EMTs have to be called. I don’t think the mom is the AH here. I understand why the daughter feels abandoned but I’m betting the mom spent all the years hanging by a thread.

Elisabeth Clark
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand both the mother's point of view and the daughter's. Raising two children alone is difficult and when one is autistic it is even harder. It is always easy to judge the mother's decisions, but she did what she felt was right at that time. Her daughter is hurt and sadden by her mother's seeming disinterest and lack of concern for her. However, the daughter cutting her mother out of her life is not going to solve anything. Some day she is going to have children and the way she feels about her mother will be the way her future child will feel about her. I know because as a life coach I get to see this quite often.

Mrs.Pugh
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean if the daughter is in the same situation as the mom. And cutting contact with mom for a while seems fine to me. Even if mom didn't intentionally ignore her daughter, she still ignored her and if course the daughter is going to be pissed about that.

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GuyYouMetOnline
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm gonna have to disagree on this one. Let me put it this way: let's say that instead of a mental breakdown, the kid was suddenly sick. Like, very sick. 'Get to the hospital' sick. Would you all still say the mother was wrong for skipping the event to take him to the hospital? I doubt it. Now, sure, no hospitalization was involved here, but I was using an exaggerated example to illustrate the point. I know mental health is often not seen in the same way as physical health, but that's wrong. This kid was having a legit medical episode, and it's unlikely the babysitter could have done anything about it. Even a trained professional isn't the same as a familiar presence. The mother leaving would have made the situation worse. We should also consider that in situation where one kid needs more attention than the others, it's not uncommon for those others to feel envy and resentment. To think that the parents care more about the one. But that's not how it works. (Continued in reply)

Fuyuuki Fukada
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having an issue EVERY SINGLE TIME the sister had an event (and according to the description of how many extracurricular activities she had, that were MANY, I speculated there were around a 100-ish ), mom can attend ZERO of them? And literally EVERY SINGLE TIME there was an "episode"? All her life, mom can "only" achieved literally 0/100 attendance?? Also ever heard of PSYCHOsomatic symptoms? Not to mention, autistic people can LEARN, and that includes psychology, and use that knowledge to manipulate of people around them.

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Cheryl Stahl
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A very difficult situation for this Mother and I have empathy for her. Sometimes we have to set boundaries and it appears she caved in on her son. He can help it he’s autistic, but the daughter can’t help it she’s not. When you hire a person that deals with autistic kids, let them do their job. The other child needed support too. Especially at major events in her life and she can’t help how she feels just the same as the other child can’t help how he feels. So sad for all three.

Stacey Dea Pack
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, I too feel the parent is TA. This hit hard cuz the daughter is basically ME and the autistic son is basically my older sis. Except my sis isn’t autistic. She just was the favorite. At least if she had special needs it wouldn’t be so PERSONAL cuz its somewhat forgiving if the favorite is ill or has special needs to justify taking up all the parents attention. My parents, my MOM, put my sis first all the time. Even my bio father did (I was raised by a stepfather) as my earliest memory was at age of three sitting on my bed. Kicking my feet admiring how pretty they looked in the shiny Mary Janes and white ruffled ankle socks. Waiting there for my bio father to pick me up for my bday. He never showed. I ran away at 16 (physical & mental) and have been on the sidelines my whole life with my mom. She and my sis live together. Stepdad died six yrs ago. My mom will go months without talking to me but can’t go a day without talking to my sis. Yup, that hurts. No matter how old you are.

three norns
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH Too many ppl commenting who have no clue what it's like. I have three children. The older two, one was high-needs, wildly dramatic. Meltdowns, attacking her younger sister, insults, etc. I spent so much time dealing with her that it wasn't until the younger daughter, who was mild, compliant, and a people-pleaser, was in grade ten that I discovered her special needs were even more profound and it was too late to do anything to help them. Yes, OP hired someone to manage her son - but clearly something in the situation indicated that it wasn't going to work. Even so-called "experts" will call the parents and tell them to get back here if the child is out of control and cannot be managed. And for the ones saying the kid should have been left to melt down? FU.

Mary Rogers
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a tough situation all around. I don't feel that there is enough information here to judge and I also have never had experience with severe autism so I can't judge how others deal with that either. I think the mother does deserve empathy for what she has to deal with, regardless of whether she has dealt with it correctly. Also I am disappointed that BP chose to include a comment from Reddit that called her son a "shithead." That's abusive and uncalled for. He didn't choose to be that way.

Evelyn Fletcher
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Going hard against the grain here and say the mom is not the a*****e. Obviously it's frustrating but also if the son has severe autism like the mother says and no one else can take care of him it's a hard situation. When grown autistic men have meltdowns it can even be violent. Not that the daughter shouldn't be upset, but cutting off contact over a terrible situation is kinda cruel. Just be grateful you have a mom that took care of you all by herself, have some sympathy and see that clearly the mom is trying her best.

Alexandra Kinne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Yes your daughter is second to your low functioning child, and I feel for her, but I also feel that the people saying YTA don’t understand what it’s like to live with a violent, low functioning person with Autism. It’s definitely not easy, and you can’t just leave your kid with anyone. The sitter might not have realized what they were getting into. It’s very difficult, and the child will most likely end up in a group home that may abuse him after his mother is gone.

Stefanie T
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Conflicted. I've been in both the brother's and sister's positions. I do not agree that the Mother is to blame. Autism is a very difficult and complex illness. A paid professional who deals with Autistic clients is not a hostage negotiator, and some times Autistic individuals and those wiith mental health issues, become violent. There are many logical reasons this might occur. No Autistic individual is identical. It must be taken on a case to case basis. Although, many patients do not react well to sudden change or unfamiliar faces. That said, the daughter did the right thing as well. Boundaries, they're a necessary component of mental health. I believe she did what she did to protect her own mental well being. If she cut contact, it was for the better in that situation.

Fuyuuki Fukada
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Autism is only a spectrum for a certain type non-typical neurological makeup. However, it is NOT an illness. And we can be trained, just harder than everybody else. I don't know why "low-functioning" gets all the attention and support, but us "high-functioning" not only get absolutely nothing and are STILL expected to function identically as neurotypicals. We spend our entire lives masking to the point of forgetting how to act like ourselves, even though we share the same condition and face the same core life challenges. I honestly would feel better if they are said needing that much support because of actually having low intelligence instead of just autism. You will never understand the altitude of our resentment. But at the end of the day, we just have to cast aside our feelings and move on, no way out of this life game and no true effective way to vent.

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Lee Stone
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have an autistic sibling and you know what, it sucks, but we're not guaranteed fairness in life. I've now inherited the care of my relatively higher-functioninh sibling and have no idea how my single mom was able to care for them and work the job she needed to keep food on the table. Everybody sacrifices when dealing with these disabilities. All those games her mother missed? Guess what the mother was missing during that time - everything. Literally her whole life. I have a coworker who's daughter cares for a child further on the spectrum than my sibling. She's knows how to manage her child's (he's in his 20s, but has the cognitive ability of a 3yo), but even then she gets occasional bruises from her child. What can she do? Nothing, that's what.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep and now her brother will go into a facility bc mom ignored the daughter and no way she will take over care. You can’t ignore one kid and expect them to love you unconditionally

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Marie Lancaster
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think NAH. I've worked with people with severe autism. Having a new caregiver that never met the son before isn't a good thing. Everyone is so different and unless you have an established relationship then things could get really ugly. I've seen a lot and it's understandable why it wouldn't be safe to leave if son was going all out. Doesn't matter if caregiver is trained. Caregiver doesn't know how to calm down that child or know his triggers. Very likely all the caregiver could do, if he was bad enough, is be a punching bag and possible restrain. Mom had no choice but to make sure son wasn't going to destroy house, hurt caregiver, or hurt himself. I feel for the daughter and understand why she did what she did but I also feel for the mother and can see that she is doing the best she can in an impossible situation.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That’s still moms fault. She was “oh no poor Johnny” then to the daughter “oh he did that thing again you know I wanted to come but your brother” her whole life. No excuses she had two kids not just one

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Alan Sells
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My dad didn’t attend my graduation because he was dead. Be glad you’re not autistic. No, you have no family at all.

Yoga Kitty
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2 years ago

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NAH - the son can't help it (that is obvious), the daugther always comes second and cannot take it anymore (also pretty obvious) but also the mother is in a very unfavourable situation. Her husband died, money is tight, she is primary caregiver to her autistic son and definitely tries (but unfortunately fails) to be a good mother to her daugther as well. That is for sure not the life she hoped for and must be really hard. I am sure that she always made these decisions like her conscience told her to (she would definitely prefer watching the ceremony to tackling her aggressive son, don't you think?) and I am definitely not willing to call her an aşşhole for that! These are sacrifices for both mother and daugther, I hope they will be able to get better (regular and affordable) help and make up for some of these lost moments...

Marina Rocha
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I think I will be the only one here who disagrees... I feel very sorry for this mother. I imagine being in this situation. It's clear that she loves her daughter and has managed this really badly. But the daughter has already lost a parent. It makes no sense to kill the other while she is still alive. There must be a way to find a common ground

sturmwesen
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who has to debate if she is willing to see her dad again after 7 years zero contact and with a dead mom: if the relationship brings you more anger and frustration than anything else cutting ties can still be better than holding on. The daughter can and should decide if it's worth it for her. Even if you loved eachother it does not automatically mean you are good for eachother.

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NTA, if any of you knucklehead YTA types had any idea of the challenges faced by a single mother with what sounds like severe autistic kid you would change your tune faster than a fat kid sucking down a milkshake

Bonnie Jo
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Omg bunch of whining little women. NTA.....I can't wait to see you all take care of a Autistic child. After meltdown panic sensors might come. Sounds like daughter is selfish. Stop and go help your mom. You can move on but your mother is carrying for this child for the rest of his life. She dies then where is he? Are you going to step up? Or just let your brother lose out of love and a sister he will need and love. Stop with the whining and love your mother and brother. Mom I know your son. I take care of my grandson.

TGHW
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I tend to disagree a bit with the YTA comments. It's hard to picture what having a very autistic child is like unless you have experienced it. I have. A 'trained sitter' might be able to deal with autistic children in normal situations, but judging age by the daughter graduating from college (assuming US, so University) this is an autistic adult in a full blown meltdown. The mother will have 18 years of handling these meltdowns and may be the only one who is able to calm him. It is horrible for the daughter, I agree, but an autistic individual can be so much more work than people might think.

BluEyedSeoulite
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

100% correct but this has been their entire lives. Mom is always missing everything because of her brother. I'm glad she isn't blaming her brother, it isn't his fault and that makes mom take 100% of the blame even if she doesn't quite deserve all of it. Mom was definitely dealt a crappy hand but she had 2 kids

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firecrackershrimp
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It's telling how many people think moms TA here, who have probably never had to take care of a severely disabled person. From the story it's stated daughter is angry due to mom missing out on activities. How about giving mom some credit for arranging for the daughter to be able to participate in these things. And also giving her daughter a life where she wasn't expected to help take care of the brother and could pursue her own life. She graduating college it seems so enough of an adult to get herself some therapy if she felt like it, not just turn down moms offer for therapy. Also why does she have no empathy for her mom caring for the brother for years, and the fact that she will have to continue to care for the son for years. Sounds like the daughters had a good opportunity in life with activities hobbies cumulating and excelling in college. Mom should get cudos for pulling this off despite losing her husband and caring for a severely disabled son.

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about giving mom some credit for doing literally the bare f*****g minimum for a child she spawned lmao??? 'Oh I didn't force you to be a second parent to your only 2 years younger sibling so forgive me for emotionally and mentally neglecting you for the past 15 years while you already don't have a father while I won't even leave your brother with a professional carer for a day' Also mom is setting SON up for a lot of pain, stress and trauma in the future when she's too old/dead to take care of him and he has to go to a home despite never having been with just carers for even just a few days, an already extreme change even for people who aren't autistic... One days he's gonna have outburts without mommy there to help, and now how is he supposed to cope??

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Wentra w
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I can't believe the people on here calling the mother selfish and the severely disabled brother useless. They obviously know nothing about autism. When a full grown sized person with autism has a meltdown, they can become violent and and hard to handle, and that is why the mother did not want to leave the son alone with the caregiver. Doesn't the sister consider the fact that the mother gave up her own life to take care of the son? Yes, I understand the daughter feels neglected and hurt and I don't blame her for that. However, lots of people get neglected by parents for lesser reasons. This mother is not selfish. She is just trying to do the best she can.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are you not considering the daughter raised herself and mom never showed up. There was always an excuse

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Tina Hugh
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I’m guessing the YTA people here have never cared for a handicapped relative

emowankinemo
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Why all the downvotes? You are right, life isn't as black and white as all these people seem to think it is. It's an unfair situation where there is no winner.

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Scott T Brynildsen
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NTA- I understand the daughter is upset, but it's not like her brother's demands and needs are new to her. Many people with autism have extreme fits when it comes to separation anxiety. Her daughter could have easily made an effort that was more than just an invitation. During Covid, hundreds of thousands of people found a way to still include their loved ones in the important events, but the daughter wants the attention. She could have easily just f*****g done a Zoom meeting to include her mom and her brother, but instead she's being an a*****e about it. If having one parent left is so important, she needs to try harder to make an effort as well.

Laura Ketteridge
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are right in that the son's demands and needs aren't new. But the problem is her mother's reaction is not new either. Each and every time, the son's needs have been placed higher than hers. EACH and EVERY time. Both children have needs, and they are different. It is not wrong for the daughter to want attention. It is right, and proper she receives the attention at such an important stage in her life.

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liam newton-harding
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why would the daughter send the mother and engagement party, or Wedding invitation? She KNOWS the mother won't turn up. There is ALWAYS going to be an "emergency".

Parriah
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's so SO hard to give up. You think you can, and then you see a friend's mom so attentive and keep hoping..

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Amused panda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. I'm not clear whether OP was downplaying what happened when her son had an outburst, whether lashing out translate as physical assault of the sitter for her to class what happened as an emergency, or whether the 'emergency' is simply how she refers to the son being upset. Yes, she'd hired a specialist sitter which showed willing to attend, but if OP had reason to anticipate her son would have an outburst when she was leaving, couldn't she have planned for an earlier departure or introduced the sitter on an earlier occasion(s) for a shorter period to ease her son it? What to me defines YTA is the subsequent comment her daughter didn't send her tickets to the graduation, doesn't call and she's only spoken to her 3 times since. A) Her daughter probably preferred to give those tickets to friends than be disappointed by empty seats; b) OP could have gone, waited outside and seen her daughter after the ceremony; c) OP hasn't commented daughter is not taking calls - is OP trying to call?

Beth Bartel
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What exactly does this mother think is going to happen to her son when she's gone?

John
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Probably expected the daughter to come and do dedicate rest of her life handling him.

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AliJanx
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gotta say, I'm with the daughter on this one. I wonder what would have happened if OP had the caregiver come for a few hours each day in preparation for the graduation? If he's severely debilitated, should OP consider a different environment altogether? Maybe it's time for a group home or a caregiving facility? Anything to keep the family whole. Also, Daughter may be concerned that Son will become her responsibility once OP passes. Easier to cut off ties now.../

Lawrence mcalistar
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A group home a care facility? To keep family whole sounds like someone's missing , if she's worried they need to talk about it instead of reacting on perception

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CanidaeVulpes
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really don’t know much about autism, so please don’t downvote. I just can’t help but think, that maybe some of the sons behavior has been learned. Like, if the mom has missed everything that the daughter was doing on account of the son, maybe he’s learned to have his outbursts when she’s planning on leaving. Being the youngest child of a single parent that has been taken care of his whole life just seems like a recipe for this type of behavior. Being autistic, I don’t think, makes you immune from that… Either way, I might read up more on autism. it seems to be more common so it would be good to understand.

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an autist, I feel like mom has been babying her son too hard. There's literally a trained autist carer right there, yet one basic meltdown that the carer can most likely easily take care of (ITS HER LITERAL JOB) and it's suddenly a major emergency where she has to stay home??? This kid is never gonna be pushed outside of his comfort zone, when she's too old to take care of him and he has to be send to a care home how is he gonna cope???

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At a guess, the daughter wasn't really mothered so much as left to cope, and while the mom's focus on her autistic child is understandable, the daughter's reaction is, as well. One of my godsons is deep on the spectrum, his sibling (an honorary godkid) feels like they've been forced itno the roles of caregiver and home-manager far too young b/c the parents are always focused on the child with "special needs". All kids have needs. One of my godsons is severely autistic, and his sibling calls themself "The Third Parent" at age 12. It's shi**y all around. I don't blame the daughter... but I do wonder why the mother is surprised or hurt.

Stacey Dea Pack
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spot on! “daughter wasn't really mothered so much as left to cope”! My mom told me she never had to worry about me whereas she always worried about my sis. (She thought I was this “successful executive world traveler” cuz I went to Italy w/bf when I was 23 so was now a “wealthy world traveler” in her eyes. NOPE.) I ran away at 16 (physical/mental abuse) and worked hard to succeed in life. My mom thought it came to me easily. But I struggled like anyone else left on their own trying to get ahead, but in her eyes..I was a success so she didn’t worry about me. Can’t tell u how many times I needed a parent’s help or support growing up and as a young adult..I just learned to cope w/o it. Whereas my sis has never lived a day w/o my mom’s love and support. TBH..I guess it was a blessing as my sis is so crippled now cuz mom coddled & rescued her, her entire life. Still hurts tho. Don’t care how old u are…everyone needs their mama & her support/love. But yes, I just learned to cope w/o it.

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Jen Hart
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm certainly no child care expert, let alone throwing autism into the mix, but have observed toddlers / preschoolers pitching fits when a parent leaves. The more the parent "coddled" the kid and prolonged the departure, the worse the kid's would throw fits. When parents gave a hug with "love you and see you later," and left...yes the kid might still have some fussing after parent leaves, but eventually calmed. The protracted departures had the kid fussing much longer. (Babysat as a teen, and later volunteered at son's preschool). Sounds like mom in the story didn't give things a chance to work out :(

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, kid has to be pushed out of jis comfort zone eventually... when she's too old or dead to take care of him, how's he gonna cope with being moved to a facility when he's never even been left alone with a carer???

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yta but i dont like how some comments call the brother a shithead as if its his fault, it's the mom's fault, and yes hes technically the reason her mom ignored her but that choice was the mom's, no nned to insult him like that

Magpie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, the brother may have strong special needs, but mom is throwing him under the bus, using him as an excuse for her failures. Is it rough, absolutely. But who gives up & doesn't even bother to be a parent to their other child? Not the brother's fault at all.

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D. Pitbull
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So - I get there are different levels of autism. I get that the autistic kid isn't at fault... really though... the POINT of this post (that I see) is the mother willfully downplaying the fact that her absence and negligence has been *consistent throughout her daughter's entire life* - it sounds like there were never even any creative solutions made... - say... replace 'autistic child' with a disability, or a chronic illness. *something* could be done... a livestream, a proxy who comes bearing the gifts and sentiments 'standing in specifically' for the mom... SOMETHING to show that she took more than a few seconds to give a f**k about her daughter... this post sounds like it was just always "Well, I have your brother to take care of... so sorry - you understand right?" Repeat over and over ... and only NOW she asks if she's in the wrong because the daughter FINALLY said "I'm going to stop giving more than I'm receiving".

Elizabeth Whitacre
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I decided to exchange"autistic child" with my disability, epilepsy. I don't have outbursts but I have seziures and starring spells that later can be emergencies. My mom did similar to my younger sister that this mom did. I was diagnosed at 18 (2 yrs older than my sister) and not once during any emergency was it necessary for my mom to miss my sister's events. However, my mom sure had no problem using me for that excuse. As a result, it put a strain our relationship and after mom died..it all came out. I'm on board with the sister. This mom not only moral but legal obligation to actually care for her daughter. Her daughter not only survived but thrived without her and mom is asking questions..too late for that. But then again, first borns are usually the parents' trial runs.

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Yili Lai
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While my first position is that this is a hard place and a rock I think I'd have to agree with everyone. As a nurse I can completely see that it could be a dangerous situation with the caretaker and the son, but this would have gone a lot better with more planning and contingencies and communication. Again I would stress that it is a DIFFICULT situation, but having plans B and C will in place in case the son does have an episode and talking to the daughter the whole time. It sounds like for most of her life the daughter was basically an afterthought and had to raise herself while the mom and the son is more of a family unit, so it makes complete sense that this was her last straw. It sounds like if the mom had taken more of an interest in the daughters life, keep reaching oucommunicating

Yili Lai
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she expects the daughter to come back in her life when she hasn't done anything to change how she has acted towards her. Her son has gone through every single therapy but has the daughter? She probably had a lot of trauma with her dads passing and her mom not being there as well as her brother, sounds like nothing was addressed in her daughters life. So yes I do think the mom is in a hard place but it's also kinda expected when the daughter has been neglected her whole life.

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Jason K
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's clear that the commenters on this post, both here and there, don't really understand the different degrees of autism. There are some who sit and bang their heads against the wall until they are bloody and groggy. She mentioned he's largely non-verbal, that's a pretty good indication of severe debilitation. When these events occur, sometimes you just can't leave and it takes constant care. This is an important topic, as autism is quite prevalent, and some understanding would do everyone some good.

John
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And there was a professional caretaker who specializes in taking care of autistic people right there, unless misrepresented, probably has taken care of numerous autistic people, right there as the son has a meltdown. Mother also showed she just trying to gain sympathy and talking about how this is all about her. How it's not her fault, How it's NOT on her she can't leave her son in the hands of a PROFESSIONAL for a few hours for something important for her daughter.

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Deborah B
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think if it had been one emergency, it wouldn't have destroyed their relationship. Reading between the lines, the daughter has had a string of 'emergencies' resulting in mom not showing up for her. If Mom wants to be part of her daughter's life, maybe she needs to show how she's prepared to change - for example, by getting autistic son into a routine with a regular sitter/ respite care one day a week, then contacting the Daughter, apologising, and asking to come and visit, and be able to show that she has taken steps to make sure she won't cancel again. Promises and good intentions are empty words to Daughter by now.

Dude dude The second
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. at the risk of sounding like a unintelligible monkey, I would like to say that you might be enabling your son by always staying like this. Let him see that mommy won’t always be there for him, because you won’t always be there. Additionally, you have serially neglected your daughter. Give her the recognition she deserves

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, if he's gonna go to a facilitu when mommy is too old or dead to take care of him, how in Gods name is he supposed to cope with that when he's never even been alone with a professional carer for a day or two??? Autists have trouble adjusting and this DEFINITELY will make such a change worse...

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Mrs.Pugh
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, Im on the daughter's side. Sorry mom🤷🏽‍♀️. As many others have pointed out, there was already a caretaker at the house, but you clearly didn't trust them enough to stay with your son alone, so you missed yet another one of your daughter's events. Congrats! Im sure the daughter didn't want to cut the mother off and im sure she doesn't hate her just angry and frustrated that her own mother didn't come to any of her events ever in her life. I would be too tbh. I don't have much to say but yeah, yta I guess.

Alex Martin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH. This family got dealt a bad hand. Dead father. Severely autistic son/brother. The daughter never had a chance to have an involved parent. Mom never had a real opportunity to be there for her daughter due to son's condition. I understand and appreciate the position both are in. Daughter cut ties because knowing that someone will never be there for you is no much easier than hoping they'll show up but then being heart broken when they don't. Mom has an adult son with severe autism. If you've ever worked with kids with severe autism it is terribly overwhelming. When they have an outburst there can be screaming, yelling, broken stuff, injury to the child and injuries to the caregiver. At one job we had to wear Kevlar sleeves when interacting with one specific child and if he really got going three of us would have to take him outside, lay him on the grass, and hold his extremities while cushioning his head until he exhausted himself.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nope she had years and years to plan or make arrangements for her son to be with her daughter. Single mom two kids she definitely had assistance and kid has state insurance I’m sure. There a day cares, facilities, day camps, programs but she chose to do it 24/7 for his whole life. She made the situation. Rather then Entrusting a professional she ditch her daughter for 18+yrs. She never had parents her whole life.

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Brianna Tracy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I honestly do not see anyone being an *a*****e* in this situation. So extremely hard on all of them. I always try and put myself square in each persons shoes to see what I would do and how I would feel in each situation, and I just don’t know with this one. First of all, we do not know how severe this man’s autism is. Do I feel this daughters pain? Absolutely and I even think she has every right to be angry at the situation. Do I think the mother should prepare for these types of situations better so she can be equally there for her other child, no matter the severity of the one’s disability? Yes, I do. But I would not call this mother an AH. We all just try to do our best here and hopefully she figures out a way to get her daughter back. Having a child with an extreme disability is not for the faint of heart.

William Henley
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA: I see this with sick kids as well. I've had a cousin who would spend months at a time in the hospital, and parents would sit there at the hospital. Granted the kid is sick, but there are other kids at home who need them, and if the condition is stable, there is no reason both parents need to be at the hospital at the same time for weeks at a time. I have an autistic brother who lives at home. The state provides caregivers free of charge. My parents have been able to take trips and vacations together on their own, and attend events for me while a caregiver (paid by the state) takes care of my brother for a few days (or even weeks). You decided to be the primary caregiver and not trust others. As such, you prioritized one kid over the other. Not only are YTA, but I'm on your daughter's side and am glad she cut off the toxic relationship she had with you.

LayDiva in the Zone
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's definitely TA. I have a son with Autism and I also have another son who doesn't. I always made sure to spend time with him and do things with him without his brother. It's a lot on a kid to deal with a sibling who may not know how to show affection and can even be mean to the other siblings. If she had her child in therapy like she claims, then her son would be used to being left in a sitter's care. Sounds like he may be a little manipulative if that's the case, but Mom still has an obligation to her daughter. I'd cut them off, and surround myself with people who genuinely want to show up for me, and who don't make excuses.

Just saying
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if the mum is actually co-dependent on her son, if her identity is so enmeshed with her caring role for him that the thought of someone else being able to manage his outbursts in some way undermines her core identity. If someone else can do it, what is her whole life even about? So she thinks she can leave him, but when push comes to literal shove, it's important for her that she's the one who sorts him out.

gotham-panda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a mom of autistic children, I've seen exactly this is SO MANY other moms in our group. It becomes a case of no one else can care for them the "right way" like mommy does. The saddest part is, when mommy is gone (and some day she will be) that child is suddenly thrown into a very different and frightening world.

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Brenda Willis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have any experience with autism, so please tell me if this is not possible. Could the brother be having these meltdowns with the intent of keeping his mother at home? It seems very odd that these situations always occur when the mom has plans to leave the brother home and spend time with the OP. Could it be, not necessarily an act, but a manoeuvre to keep his mom home with him?

C.G Mullins
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It wouldn't be a conscious maneuver. But any type of change in the routine, a new caregiver (the mom leaving) would trigger an autistic meltdown. Those on the lower end of the spectrum do not have the words to be able to communicate effectively how they feel. They "hurt" inside, and because they can't explain that, they hurt themselves and others. As the son was an adult, it can be horribly violent.

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millac
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That she didn't go to the graduation, even without a ticket, is very telling. That was her last shot, and she missed it. She should have showed up, apologized profusely, showered the daughter with praise and special attention, and taken her to dinner. She didn't bother, so now it's over. A scene from the TV show "Yellowstone" comes to mind: there is a religious funeral, and two characters were not invited, but are standing at a distance, observing. One says "I don't think they want us here" and goes to leave, but the other stops them to say "Even if they don't want us, they need to know we care enough to stay." This woman did not care enough to endure the awkwardness of staying, and so she lost her place.

Ray Arani
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP is definitely TA. For all reasons stated, but also ... Autistic people can learn. I don't know this boy or his diagnosis, but from what's been told, it sounds like he should be high functioning enough to have had it explained to him at some point that sometimes his mom needs to be elsewhere. He's autistic, it's okay for him to have meltdown, that's part of his coping mechanisms for life, and that's fine, but Id be willing to bet he could learn to accept that the entire world won't stop spinning when that happens. I'm guessing OP never bothered to teach him that, which is probably contributing to his inability to express empathy. Most therapies are more focused on helping people learn to be more functional in society, and put less emphasis on empathy and sympathy, emotional skills. Like anyone, autistic people will pick up on how the world works through experiencing it. If this boy has always experienced everything revolving around him, or at least his mom always revolving around him then of course that's all he'll expect, and it'll be harder to process when he perceives that changing. In his experience, mom always gives him attention and never gives it to his sister. Why should he show empathy when it's how he's been taught the world works?

C.G Mullins
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Non-verbal means low-functioning, not high functioning. Learning would be impossible.

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Violet Jensen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. As an AUTISTIC CHILD— not parent, not sibling. Diagnosed at age 2, autistic. I have 6 other siblings and I get what attention they have time for! They balance it! You had a trained babysitter and STILL left? For what? You wouldn’t even be home in time before that meltdown was over and he’d moved on!

Magpie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also seems like the mom is kind of throwing the autistic child under the bus, for an excuse, you know. What mom went through was challenging, but she allowed it to be unnecessarily challenging on her daughter by only parenting one child.

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Fuyuuki Fukada
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

100% the AH here. As an autistic person, I can assure the so called "not having empathy only applies if there is not enough info to help us PERCEIVE others' emotional states. If such contexts ate not needed, we actually have MORE empathy than NTs (such as physical pain, and for me, I feel for every pain except the male organ). But right at the very moment mom's about to leave him? He's throwing a TANTRUM to make sure mommy's always by his side. I hate to say that, he is manipulating his mom and leaves his sister in the dust and he knows it perfectly well. He knows he's the golden child and hates his sister's existence and wants to get rid of her. So he is the biggest AH, with mom a very close second. As a matter of fact, for him to pull himself together, it is necessary for him to expose to the outside world just like everybody else (for me, I'm actually the one facing outside world MOST b/c bros' too shy). It's so sad that he is already an grown adult and still pulls this sh*t.

Shina Kohana
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed on the empathy part. My son is autistic and we worked with therapists to teach him empathy. He's the big brother out of my 2 kids by 3 years. With the right therapy and trusting the therapists to train me, he has been the most caring big brother EVER. I wear my heart on my sleeve but his empathy makes me look cold-hearted at times. I couldn't be more proud of his accomplishments! Social cues are harder for him so we parents were trained to verbalize everything. "You were so thoughtful for doing that! Good job! We love to see you doing that! Keep it up, sweetie!" He just turned 10. <3 Hyper focusing is a problem too, so we were taught how detract attention from the stressors. He now does them himself! I'm seriously proud of him.

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Elizabeth Whitacre
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA..the mom has 2 kids. Though on the flip side, I am the disabled sibling and older by 2 yrs. I do have epilepsy and my mom would use me to not show up at my sister's events by using my little "emergencies". This caused a huge strain in our relationships. In the end, after mom died and my sister and I talked..she realized I never wanted to be the reason. All performances the mom missed because of the son, but for the one that broke the Camel's back, a professional was there which she decided to stay. She made that choice. It's good the daughter made hers.

Jennifer Lee
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When a child is this severely autistic, to the point that the lives of all family members are negatively impacted over and over and over again, you have a MORAL OBLIGATION to prioritize your other children over the autistic child. If that means putting the autistic child in an institution, so be it. At the very least, you know you absolutely HAVE TO sedate a melt-down prone child when you plan to leave the house for an important event. I find it odd that the mother's feelings of guilt only extend to the son, and not to the daughter whose childhood she RUINED with her gross incompetence.

Shina Kohana
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. I have an autistic son as well. HOWEVER. Even with my husband alive, we have MA for our kids. MA covers a LOT of therapies for autism. We went through years of ECSE(early childhood special education) and other outside therapies. The reason my autistic kid has turned out fine is because I didn't baby him. When he had his meltdowns, I didn't coddle him(I'd talk him through it if it was bad, but never coddled), sure: people called me a s****y parent. But I also saw what coddling an autistic kid just because of "special needs" did to families. From nonverbal to high functioning. A LOT of this does indeed come from the environment that the parent gave. You reap what you sow. You never trusted the therapists. YOU were mom and YOU knew better, even though you weren't specially trained for autism. That's the main problem with parents that have special needs kids. Fact is: you DON'T know better. Hence the therapist: they are literally trained to train you AND help the kid.

Suzanne Wolford
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have 4 children G16/B14/B10/G8 my boys are both ADHD and are on the autism spectrum they have outbursts and their behavior is not always on point however we still attend every event no matter what because the correct therapist would have informed you that taking a child with disabilities out in public frequently teaches them how to behave in public you should not be ashamed to take your child with disabilities out in public society understands more than you think if you had educated your daughter about his disabilities she would understand this and be willing to have him at her events and he would be learning how to control himself in public either way should have still been there for your daughter I don't feel sorry for you your the one who needs to realize you screwed I don't blame her at all

Janet Howe
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand how the daughter feels. All of her life she's had to take a backseat to her brother's needs. Mom hired an experienced sitter but couldn't seem to trust her to take care of her son during an outburst. The hurt that daughter feels, and has felt, all of her life is hard to heal. You can't relive those special events. The situation with the son isn't going to change. She'll be taking care of him for the rest of her life. But the special times when her daughter needed her, are gone forever. I know little about autism, but can the son sense that one of these special events was coming up? Could he have acted up, afraid to be left at home by his mother, if she went to daughters games, etc? As I said, I know little of the condition. Is this boy uncontrollable only at times when mom wants to leave him with a sitter? But did she really have to miss every single event throughout her daughter's life? IDK.

Bone Dome Martin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Been here. You've shown by your actions that even though your daughter understands her sibling has a condition, you've placed more importance for 1 child. Unfortunately, words eventually go to the garbage pile & the track record of your actions have spoken loud & clear to her. YTA!!!

Loreitta M Tuthill
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You hired a trained stranger for your son. Knowing your son how did you expect him to react to someone he doesn't know,? You might try finding 2 trained caregivers and pay each to come to your home once or twice a week, or meet you in a park, or some other activity your son likes. Do this do he will get used to them so when you have an occasion to get away there is someone he is familiar with. You may let them stay with him while you go out for coffee. Allow him time to get used to them so you can enjoy your daughters wedding. If I'm correct he had the meltdown because she was a stranger. He was scared. Incorporate these sitters into your lives.

Gwen Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yta...had years to come up with plan to be there for your daughter...you flunked out. Witnessed mother of autistic child take something from non autistic child to give to autistic child to keep him calm...will never get over the heart break her non autistic child showed which was met with a slap...

Elizabeth Ramos
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad I decided to read this post. I work as a Para-Professional Instructional Assistant Severely Disabled. That is what I deal with low functioning Autism cases usually one-on-one. I will say I've encountered many individuals which are down right are unpredictable and very dangerous. I've got to be vigilant at all times. What I've seen with parents is they pacify them with phones or iPads. To keep them from meltdowns at home. Which makes it harder for me to work on tasks that individual has to do. Being that they are used to getting their way to avoid working in class. They aren't in anyway given boundaries at home. So they hit staff or students without regard at full strength, pushing heavy desks/chairs, biting themselves/staff, hitting themselves against walls. I don't think you understand your inconsistent parenting is the problem. Shame on you for ignoring your daughters important day! I understand how she feels I've been hurt by parents showing favoritism towards another sib.

Rebecca Smith
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Literally why is this mom so selfish. I know raising a kid with autism is difficult, but she can't just show blatant favoritism like that.

Lara Verne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH or soft YTA . I understand that caring for autistic person is very difficult and time-consuming, but OP has two children. She said her son had outburst, but did not specify whether was son simply upset, screaming, or if he was violent and dangerous to himself or his sitter. While it's understandable, stay at home when son has violent outburst, I think sitter is trained for this situation. OP mentioned she missed every event in daughter's life. Did son had outburst every time? Daughter is definitely not AH.

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, you'd think a trained autism carer would be trained to handle violent outbursts... tf would mommy do if he had his outburst hours after she had left?? Also when mommy is dead he's gonna have to go to a faciltu for the rest of his life, and there will only be carers to manage his outburts anyways... Autists need a lot more time to adjust to changes, so mom is doing him a massive disservice by not letting him get used to a carer.

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Roby Davidson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. Consistantly failed the daughter. Hopefully daughter found someone who will give her the love and attention she never had as a child

Clara Stallworth
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mom has had 18 years of opportunities to attend her daughter's events and milestones. But, in reading the post, nowhere did I see that the boy was taken out in public settings. I mean, yes, he's nonverbal and is prone to outbursts; however, OP did mention that therapy has helped to control them. But, why did he have to stay home? Why couldn't OP bring him with her to support his sister at events? If OP was worried about the boy having a meltdown while in attendance at an event, she could've taken him outside until he settled down. Or, as she did on her daughter's awards night, hired a trained sitter for when she had a night out. But, instead, OP didn't allow, or trust, the sitter to do their job, and made the fateful decision to stay home with son, causing daughter to cut all ties, but not blaming her little brother. Now, OP has to suffer the consequences of her choices, to the point that she may potentially miss her daughter's wedding.

Yodelis Sosa
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From What I've Read, OP YTA. I Myself Was Born Disabled And Required Many Surgeries In My Childhood. My Mom Raised My Sister And I On Her Own Since We Were 5 & 3. I'm The Oldest. My Mom Made Time For Both Of Us No Matter What. We Were Not Able To Participate In Sports And Programs Due To Being Poor, No Transportation, And My Medical Needs, But Mom ALWAYS Found A Way To Come To Our Awards Ceremonies And Big Celebrations!! I Was Just Thinking To Myself This Week And Remembered A Day Vividly, About A Day I Was In The Hospital Recovering From One Of My Operations. I Was With Mom And She Said She Would Make Me A Cup Soup In The Microwave And Come Back. My Mom Left And Didn't Come Back For A Very Long Time. I Was Afraid And Began To Cry; A Nurse Came In And Asked Me What Happened?? I Could Only Call For My Mommy And Was Scared Something Happened To Her!! The Nurse Went To Investigate And Told Me My Mom Was Outside Smoking (My Mom Knew We Didn't Like That. She Stopped Soon After Though.) ⭐

Yodelis Sosa
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, I Waited, And Waited, And Waited. Mom Didn't Come Back For A Long Time. When She DID Come Back, I Was Relieved And Hugged Her. However, My Mind Would Only Think About The Cup Soup She Had Promised Me. Like What Happened?? But I Didn't Say Anything. Years Later, I'm About A Young Teenager Now, And I Bring Up This Day. My Mom Admitted That She Had To Give My Sister Attention Too!! Even Today, Right Now, Part Of My Heart Breaks, Because I Didn't Realize I Was Keeping My Mom Away From My Sister And Taking Away Some Attention From My Little Sister Who Had To Be Babysat By Strict People. I Also Did Not Realize That My Sister Was NOT Allowed In The Hospital Outside Of Visiting Hours Or Allowed To See Me At Times. I Always Remembered Her There; But Mom Corrected Me Saying She Had To Sneak My Sister In Just To Spend A Night And Hide Her Under The Blankets. When She Was Caught, Mom Had To Do Her Best To Find Someone Able To Take Care Of My Sister. My Point Here Is That OP Has TWO Children. ⭐

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Amy hipps
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hopefully her fiances parents are attentive. She sure wont get it from her mom

A. Embleton
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Single parent of an Autistic person here. Kids were 6 & 4 when dad died & Sister is graduating college, everyone here is full size. Seems like Mom didn't have support (with professionals in all areas but specifically) learning de-escalation, establishing a bond with an outside carer before leaving them with the caree, doesn't seem like there has been anything in terms of trying to find alternative communication (Maybe he had a meltdown because he wanted to see his sister graduate but couldn't say.). All things that could have made this & many other things very different. They also happen to be things I wouldn't have known were even things if it weren't for the support I had from different agencies staffed with professionals. I wouldn't have found those agencies if it weren't for the network between diagnostics & support & I wouldn't have been able to afford it without Universal Healthcare. They should've tried counseling, might have been able to be done at Moms house so no need for car

J. Maxx
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One of the commenters called the the son a "shithead", wow!

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some of us have lived that life and gets us emotional when we hear it time and time again. Nothing but excuses.

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El MasChingon
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

everyone that is calling the mom an AH doesn't understand what having an autistic kid is like as a father of an autistic kid I can empathize with her I'm fortunate that my daughter was a high functioning autistic kid but when she was younger, she was nonverbal and understanding some of her needs was a struggle. this lady is trying the best she can with the situation at hand and although the daughter feels neglected, she needs to understand that the mom is dealing with a special kind of responsibility that will take up a lot of her attention the brother didn't choose to be this way that is just how he was born and it can't be helped.

Hope Tirendi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm wondering about this Autistic brother. Seems he's smart enough to throw temper tantrums whenever mommy is going to do anything for the sister. That doesn't sound like Autism it sounds like a spoiled little brat!

Monica Askew
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At first I was hoping the daughter was just being extra. But the fact that you hired a trained sitter to handle clients just like your son makes you YTA. It sounds like you never showed up for her...ever. When you have kids you are a mother to all of them. Can't make time for one and not the other.

Stacey Dea Pack
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This hit hard as I’m basically the daughter & older sis is the autistic sibling. Except my sis isn’t autistic. She was just loved more by both parents (stepdad raised me) earliest memory is me @3 sitting on edge of bed kicking my feet admiring my new Mary Janes, waiting for dad pick me up for my bday. He showed up days later, left unwrapped doll on porch. He spent entire day with older sis just a mo prior for her bday so I was excited to receive the same. I ran away at age 16 (physical/mental abuse from mom). Been on the sidelines my entire life w/my mom. She even lives w/my sis as my SD died six yrs ago. My mom will go MONTHS w/o talking to me but can’t go a day w/o talking to my sis. That stays with you. No matter how old you are. Hurts to know you never had a parent in your corner. At least if my sis had special needs it might justify all the attention but she was perfectly healthy. Just loved more.

millac
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find it telling that she didn't leave immediately after the son calmed down, nor did she try to show up the very next day, with a gift and a massive apology, nor did she go on graduation day, despite not receiving tickets. She does not mention sending gifts, letters, or cards for birthdays, holidays, etc. or any efforts to regain contact. The mom is very "oh well, what can I do?" and seems fairly nonchalant about it all. Like, she's kind of glad she doesn't have to think about or expend effort on her daughter anymore, but would still like to complain her daughter isn't making an effort so she doesn't look like a bad person.

beckhansen13
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA- It’s not an emergency if a person has a meltdown everyday. There are organizations that help, but mom chose not to go that route and to use the dad’s life insurance money to be a sahm. Wonder if there’s any money left for her daughter?

Meami
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked with severely autistic kids in the public school system and I can tell you it’s an incredibly difficult situation. A meltdown doesn’t mean just kicking and screaming. They are often incredibly violent and the care givers and the autistic person are at risk for severe bodily harm and EMTs have to be called. I don’t think the mom is the AH here. I understand why the daughter feels abandoned but I’m betting the mom spent all the years hanging by a thread.

Elisabeth Clark
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand both the mother's point of view and the daughter's. Raising two children alone is difficult and when one is autistic it is even harder. It is always easy to judge the mother's decisions, but she did what she felt was right at that time. Her daughter is hurt and sadden by her mother's seeming disinterest and lack of concern for her. However, the daughter cutting her mother out of her life is not going to solve anything. Some day she is going to have children and the way she feels about her mother will be the way her future child will feel about her. I know because as a life coach I get to see this quite often.

Mrs.Pugh
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean if the daughter is in the same situation as the mom. And cutting contact with mom for a while seems fine to me. Even if mom didn't intentionally ignore her daughter, she still ignored her and if course the daughter is going to be pissed about that.

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GuyYouMetOnline
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm gonna have to disagree on this one. Let me put it this way: let's say that instead of a mental breakdown, the kid was suddenly sick. Like, very sick. 'Get to the hospital' sick. Would you all still say the mother was wrong for skipping the event to take him to the hospital? I doubt it. Now, sure, no hospitalization was involved here, but I was using an exaggerated example to illustrate the point. I know mental health is often not seen in the same way as physical health, but that's wrong. This kid was having a legit medical episode, and it's unlikely the babysitter could have done anything about it. Even a trained professional isn't the same as a familiar presence. The mother leaving would have made the situation worse. We should also consider that in situation where one kid needs more attention than the others, it's not uncommon for those others to feel envy and resentment. To think that the parents care more about the one. But that's not how it works. (Continued in reply)

Fuyuuki Fukada
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having an issue EVERY SINGLE TIME the sister had an event (and according to the description of how many extracurricular activities she had, that were MANY, I speculated there were around a 100-ish ), mom can attend ZERO of them? And literally EVERY SINGLE TIME there was an "episode"? All her life, mom can "only" achieved literally 0/100 attendance?? Also ever heard of PSYCHOsomatic symptoms? Not to mention, autistic people can LEARN, and that includes psychology, and use that knowledge to manipulate of people around them.

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Cheryl Stahl
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A very difficult situation for this Mother and I have empathy for her. Sometimes we have to set boundaries and it appears she caved in on her son. He can help it he’s autistic, but the daughter can’t help it she’s not. When you hire a person that deals with autistic kids, let them do their job. The other child needed support too. Especially at major events in her life and she can’t help how she feels just the same as the other child can’t help how he feels. So sad for all three.

Stacey Dea Pack
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, I too feel the parent is TA. This hit hard cuz the daughter is basically ME and the autistic son is basically my older sis. Except my sis isn’t autistic. She just was the favorite. At least if she had special needs it wouldn’t be so PERSONAL cuz its somewhat forgiving if the favorite is ill or has special needs to justify taking up all the parents attention. My parents, my MOM, put my sis first all the time. Even my bio father did (I was raised by a stepfather) as my earliest memory was at age of three sitting on my bed. Kicking my feet admiring how pretty they looked in the shiny Mary Janes and white ruffled ankle socks. Waiting there for my bio father to pick me up for my bday. He never showed. I ran away at 16 (physical & mental) and have been on the sidelines my whole life with my mom. She and my sis live together. Stepdad died six yrs ago. My mom will go months without talking to me but can’t go a day without talking to my sis. Yup, that hurts. No matter how old you are.

three norns
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NAH Too many ppl commenting who have no clue what it's like. I have three children. The older two, one was high-needs, wildly dramatic. Meltdowns, attacking her younger sister, insults, etc. I spent so much time dealing with her that it wasn't until the younger daughter, who was mild, compliant, and a people-pleaser, was in grade ten that I discovered her special needs were even more profound and it was too late to do anything to help them. Yes, OP hired someone to manage her son - but clearly something in the situation indicated that it wasn't going to work. Even so-called "experts" will call the parents and tell them to get back here if the child is out of control and cannot be managed. And for the ones saying the kid should have been left to melt down? FU.

Mary Rogers
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a tough situation all around. I don't feel that there is enough information here to judge and I also have never had experience with severe autism so I can't judge how others deal with that either. I think the mother does deserve empathy for what she has to deal with, regardless of whether she has dealt with it correctly. Also I am disappointed that BP chose to include a comment from Reddit that called her son a "shithead." That's abusive and uncalled for. He didn't choose to be that way.

Evelyn Fletcher
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Going hard against the grain here and say the mom is not the a*****e. Obviously it's frustrating but also if the son has severe autism like the mother says and no one else can take care of him it's a hard situation. When grown autistic men have meltdowns it can even be violent. Not that the daughter shouldn't be upset, but cutting off contact over a terrible situation is kinda cruel. Just be grateful you have a mom that took care of you all by herself, have some sympathy and see that clearly the mom is trying her best.

Alexandra Kinne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Yes your daughter is second to your low functioning child, and I feel for her, but I also feel that the people saying YTA don’t understand what it’s like to live with a violent, low functioning person with Autism. It’s definitely not easy, and you can’t just leave your kid with anyone. The sitter might not have realized what they were getting into. It’s very difficult, and the child will most likely end up in a group home that may abuse him after his mother is gone.

Stefanie T
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Conflicted. I've been in both the brother's and sister's positions. I do not agree that the Mother is to blame. Autism is a very difficult and complex illness. A paid professional who deals with Autistic clients is not a hostage negotiator, and some times Autistic individuals and those wiith mental health issues, become violent. There are many logical reasons this might occur. No Autistic individual is identical. It must be taken on a case to case basis. Although, many patients do not react well to sudden change or unfamiliar faces. That said, the daughter did the right thing as well. Boundaries, they're a necessary component of mental health. I believe she did what she did to protect her own mental well being. If she cut contact, it was for the better in that situation.

Fuyuuki Fukada
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Autism is only a spectrum for a certain type non-typical neurological makeup. However, it is NOT an illness. And we can be trained, just harder than everybody else. I don't know why "low-functioning" gets all the attention and support, but us "high-functioning" not only get absolutely nothing and are STILL expected to function identically as neurotypicals. We spend our entire lives masking to the point of forgetting how to act like ourselves, even though we share the same condition and face the same core life challenges. I honestly would feel better if they are said needing that much support because of actually having low intelligence instead of just autism. You will never understand the altitude of our resentment. But at the end of the day, we just have to cast aside our feelings and move on, no way out of this life game and no true effective way to vent.

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Lee Stone
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have an autistic sibling and you know what, it sucks, but we're not guaranteed fairness in life. I've now inherited the care of my relatively higher-functioninh sibling and have no idea how my single mom was able to care for them and work the job she needed to keep food on the table. Everybody sacrifices when dealing with these disabilities. All those games her mother missed? Guess what the mother was missing during that time - everything. Literally her whole life. I have a coworker who's daughter cares for a child further on the spectrum than my sibling. She's knows how to manage her child's (he's in his 20s, but has the cognitive ability of a 3yo), but even then she gets occasional bruises from her child. What can she do? Nothing, that's what.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep and now her brother will go into a facility bc mom ignored the daughter and no way she will take over care. You can’t ignore one kid and expect them to love you unconditionally

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Marie Lancaster
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think NAH. I've worked with people with severe autism. Having a new caregiver that never met the son before isn't a good thing. Everyone is so different and unless you have an established relationship then things could get really ugly. I've seen a lot and it's understandable why it wouldn't be safe to leave if son was going all out. Doesn't matter if caregiver is trained. Caregiver doesn't know how to calm down that child or know his triggers. Very likely all the caregiver could do, if he was bad enough, is be a punching bag and possible restrain. Mom had no choice but to make sure son wasn't going to destroy house, hurt caregiver, or hurt himself. I feel for the daughter and understand why she did what she did but I also feel for the mother and can see that she is doing the best she can in an impossible situation.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That’s still moms fault. She was “oh no poor Johnny” then to the daughter “oh he did that thing again you know I wanted to come but your brother” her whole life. No excuses she had two kids not just one

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Alan Sells
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My dad didn’t attend my graduation because he was dead. Be glad you’re not autistic. No, you have no family at all.

Yoga Kitty
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2 years ago

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NAH - the son can't help it (that is obvious), the daugther always comes second and cannot take it anymore (also pretty obvious) but also the mother is in a very unfavourable situation. Her husband died, money is tight, she is primary caregiver to her autistic son and definitely tries (but unfortunately fails) to be a good mother to her daugther as well. That is for sure not the life she hoped for and must be really hard. I am sure that she always made these decisions like her conscience told her to (she would definitely prefer watching the ceremony to tackling her aggressive son, don't you think?) and I am definitely not willing to call her an aşşhole for that! These are sacrifices for both mother and daugther, I hope they will be able to get better (regular and affordable) help and make up for some of these lost moments...

Marina Rocha
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2 years ago

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I think I will be the only one here who disagrees... I feel very sorry for this mother. I imagine being in this situation. It's clear that she loves her daughter and has managed this really badly. But the daughter has already lost a parent. It makes no sense to kill the other while she is still alive. There must be a way to find a common ground

sturmwesen
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who has to debate if she is willing to see her dad again after 7 years zero contact and with a dead mom: if the relationship brings you more anger and frustration than anything else cutting ties can still be better than holding on. The daughter can and should decide if it's worth it for her. Even if you loved eachother it does not automatically mean you are good for eachother.

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Paul Richards
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NTA, if any of you knucklehead YTA types had any idea of the challenges faced by a single mother with what sounds like severe autistic kid you would change your tune faster than a fat kid sucking down a milkshake

Bonnie Jo
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2 years ago

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Omg bunch of whining little women. NTA.....I can't wait to see you all take care of a Autistic child. After meltdown panic sensors might come. Sounds like daughter is selfish. Stop and go help your mom. You can move on but your mother is carrying for this child for the rest of his life. She dies then where is he? Are you going to step up? Or just let your brother lose out of love and a sister he will need and love. Stop with the whining and love your mother and brother. Mom I know your son. I take care of my grandson.

TGHW
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2 years ago

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I tend to disagree a bit with the YTA comments. It's hard to picture what having a very autistic child is like unless you have experienced it. I have. A 'trained sitter' might be able to deal with autistic children in normal situations, but judging age by the daughter graduating from college (assuming US, so University) this is an autistic adult in a full blown meltdown. The mother will have 18 years of handling these meltdowns and may be the only one who is able to calm him. It is horrible for the daughter, I agree, but an autistic individual can be so much more work than people might think.

BluEyedSeoulite
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

100% correct but this has been their entire lives. Mom is always missing everything because of her brother. I'm glad she isn't blaming her brother, it isn't his fault and that makes mom take 100% of the blame even if she doesn't quite deserve all of it. Mom was definitely dealt a crappy hand but she had 2 kids

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firecrackershrimp
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It's telling how many people think moms TA here, who have probably never had to take care of a severely disabled person. From the story it's stated daughter is angry due to mom missing out on activities. How about giving mom some credit for arranging for the daughter to be able to participate in these things. And also giving her daughter a life where she wasn't expected to help take care of the brother and could pursue her own life. She graduating college it seems so enough of an adult to get herself some therapy if she felt like it, not just turn down moms offer for therapy. Also why does she have no empathy for her mom caring for the brother for years, and the fact that she will have to continue to care for the son for years. Sounds like the daughters had a good opportunity in life with activities hobbies cumulating and excelling in college. Mom should get cudos for pulling this off despite losing her husband and caring for a severely disabled son.

TheKitKatLizard
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How about giving mom some credit for doing literally the bare f*****g minimum for a child she spawned lmao??? 'Oh I didn't force you to be a second parent to your only 2 years younger sibling so forgive me for emotionally and mentally neglecting you for the past 15 years while you already don't have a father while I won't even leave your brother with a professional carer for a day' Also mom is setting SON up for a lot of pain, stress and trauma in the future when she's too old/dead to take care of him and he has to go to a home despite never having been with just carers for even just a few days, an already extreme change even for people who aren't autistic... One days he's gonna have outburts without mommy there to help, and now how is he supposed to cope??

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Wentra w
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I can't believe the people on here calling the mother selfish and the severely disabled brother useless. They obviously know nothing about autism. When a full grown sized person with autism has a meltdown, they can become violent and and hard to handle, and that is why the mother did not want to leave the son alone with the caregiver. Doesn't the sister consider the fact that the mother gave up her own life to take care of the son? Yes, I understand the daughter feels neglected and hurt and I don't blame her for that. However, lots of people get neglected by parents for lesser reasons. This mother is not selfish. She is just trying to do the best she can.

Mary Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are you not considering the daughter raised herself and mom never showed up. There was always an excuse

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Tina Hugh
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2 years ago

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I’m guessing the YTA people here have never cared for a handicapped relative

emowankinemo
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2 years ago

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Why all the downvotes? You are right, life isn't as black and white as all these people seem to think it is. It's an unfair situation where there is no winner.

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Scott T Brynildsen
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NTA- I understand the daughter is upset, but it's not like her brother's demands and needs are new to her. Many people with autism have extreme fits when it comes to separation anxiety. Her daughter could have easily made an effort that was more than just an invitation. During Covid, hundreds of thousands of people found a way to still include their loved ones in the important events, but the daughter wants the attention. She could have easily just f*****g done a Zoom meeting to include her mom and her brother, but instead she's being an a*****e about it. If having one parent left is so important, she needs to try harder to make an effort as well.

Laura Ketteridge
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are right in that the son's demands and needs aren't new. But the problem is her mother's reaction is not new either. Each and every time, the son's needs have been placed higher than hers. EACH and EVERY time. Both children have needs, and they are different. It is not wrong for the daughter to want attention. It is right, and proper she receives the attention at such an important stage in her life.

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