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“AITAH For Being Hurt That MIL Wanted To Exclude My Daughter From [Holidays] To Protect My SIL?”

“AITAH For Being Hurt That MIL Wanted To Exclude My Daughter From [Holidays] To Protect My SIL?”

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It’s been said that blood is thicker than water, meaning that if you have to choose between friends and family, family always comes first. But the lines get a bit blurry once someone marries into the family – after all, they’re family now too.

Happy to have married into a lovely family, one woman got the shock of her life when her mother-in-law requested she leave her baby daughter at home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, all because her sister-in-law recently had a miscarriage. Hurting, she turned to Reddit for advice. 

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Blood is thicker than water, as one happily married woman unhappily found out

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Despite always being kind and welcoming, her mother-in-law asked her to stay away from the family’s holiday celebrations to protect her sister-in-law’s feelings

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The sister-in-law had recently had a miscarriage and was particularly sensitive about the topic of babies

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Disgusted that his mother would choose to exclude his wife and child, the woman’s husband sent his parents packing

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Left in tears, the woman turned to the web to ask if she was being a jerk for being hurt by her mother-in-law’s request

OP begins her story by telling the community that she and her husband gave birth to their first child almost three months back. She adds that she has always felt grateful she married into the family she did, since she grew up without siblings and had a single mom who passed away two years ago.

She goes on to say that, by contrast, her husband’s parents are happily married and have four kids who have always been kind and welcoming to her, with the exception of Ashley, her husband’s twin sister. OP shares that Ashley has a habit of making snide remarks about her husband’s success, but that her husband isn’t too fazed by it.

OP then tells the readers that Ashley and her husband have been trying, unsuccessfully, to have a baby for the last two years, and recently had a miscarriage.

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Well, drama started to unfold when, over dinner at OP’s house, her MIL started talking about what a hard few years it’s been for Ashley before asking OP if, to protect Ashley’s feelings, she’d mind sitting out Christmas and Thanksgiving. OP’s husband was livid at the suggestion and, despite his mother’s protests, told her she had to leave, and that Ashley should be the one to stay at home if she can’t control her emotions. 

OP says her mother-in-law has tried calling her several times since making the painful request, but she’s still too hurt to talk. Her husband, meanwhile, doesn’t want to be part of the family’s holiday celebrations at all. 

OP concludes her post by asking her readers if she’s being a jerk for feeling so hurt.  

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Bored Panda reached out to psychologist Dr. Deborah Hecker to get her expert take on the matter.

When we asked her whether or not OP had a right to be upset about being uninvited from the family’s holiday celebrations, she had this to say, “While the mother-in-law has the right to ask her daughter-in-law to consider not coming to the holiday celebrations with the baby, the woman has every right to be deeply offended by her invite being rescinded, particularly because of her own painful family history.”

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Hecker went on, “I sympathize with the mother-in-law feeling caught between her infertile daughter and her fertile daughter-in-law. However, I urge her to reconsider the request, as the consequences will be to burn family bridges.”

Hecker says that the mother-in-law disinviting her daughter-in-law to holiday gatherings is an inadequate resolution for what is clearly her dilemma.  Yes, Ashley said she is dreading the holidays, but her mother assumed unasked-for advice, which Ashley may not support.  There are other ways that Mom can be supportive of her daughter’s pain.

We asked Dr. Hecker how she would suggest the family move forward, and she responded, “Infertility is a very stressful experience not only for Ashley but also for her family members, in particular her mom.  Due to the unique nature of the mother-daughter relationship, a daughter’s fertility problems can often be very distressing for the mother.”

Hecker concluded, “If the mom wants to contribute positively to Ashley’s mental health (and not impose her own roller-coaster of emotions on her), and bring the family closer, I urge her to also seek out her own sources of support. That will allow her to convey care and compassion while listening closely to Ashley’s unique pain. Ashley knows best how to preserve her well-being.”

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Maybe OP could take Thanksgiving while her sister-in-law takes Christmas? What do you think of OP’s situation? Is her sister-in-law being unreasonable? Let us know your opinion in the comments!

In the comments, readers slammed the sister-in-law for being so selfish and swiftly decided OP was not the jerk for feeling hurt by her mother-in-law’s cruel request

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After twenty years in advertising, I've decided to try my hand at journalism. I'm lucky enough to be based in Cape Town, South Africa and use every opportunity I get to explore everything it has to offer, both indoors and out. When I'm not reading, writing, or listening to podcasts, I spend my time swimming in the ocean, running mountain trails, and skydiving. While I haven't travelled as much as I'd like, I did live in !ndia, which was an incredible experience. I love live music, whether it's in a massive stadium or an intimate club setting.

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Ivan Ayliffe

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After twenty years in advertising, I've decided to try my hand at journalism. I'm lucky enough to be based in Cape Town, South Africa and use every opportunity I get to explore everything it has to offer, both indoors and out. When I'm not reading, writing, or listening to podcasts, I spend my time swimming in the ocean, running mountain trails, and skydiving. While I haven't travelled as much as I'd like, I did live in !ndia, which was an incredible experience. I love live music, whether it's in a massive stadium or an intimate club setting.

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I am a visual editor here. In my free time I enjoy the vibrant worlds of art galleries, exhibitions, and soulful concerts. Yet, amidst life's hustle and bustle, I find solace in nature's embrace, cherishing tranquil moments with beloved friends. Deep within, I hold a dream close - to embark on a global journey in an RV, accompanied by my faithful canine companion. Together, we'll wander through diverse cultures, weaving precious memories under the starry night sky, fulfilling the wanderlust that stirs my soul.

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Monika Pašukonytė

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I am a visual editor here. In my free time I enjoy the vibrant worlds of art galleries, exhibitions, and soulful concerts. Yet, amidst life's hustle and bustle, I find solace in nature's embrace, cherishing tranquil moments with beloved friends. Deep within, I hold a dream close - to embark on a global journey in an RV, accompanied by my faithful canine companion. Together, we'll wander through diverse cultures, weaving precious memories under the starry night sky, fulfilling the wanderlust that stirs my soul.

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Leslie D
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't have kids found out when I was in my mid 20s it broke my heart. I got the news while my niece was here and was in the middle of a research project. I could have hid and worked on my project the perfect excuse. It was hard seeing her but that is on me. I put a smile on my face and when my mom offered to put them in a hotel I thought nope that's my family so I gave that little girl all the love I wish I could if I had my own.

Valerie Woods
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What has happened to people? I got pregnant the same time as my cousin. I miscarried, and she had a beautiful baby boy. I was sad, but we had a new, round headed little bundle of fun and noise to love. I'd never have suggested such a thing as excluding a baby. I'd have been the one banished if I'd tried.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stay home, have an open house Christmas Eve, invite family friends whoever, have a great party, then relax Christmas day and do something you like as a household. Probably most of his ands family will come for Christmas even so you can still have them fuss over the kid, but you're setting limits on what kind of disrespect you'll tolerate in the future.

Papa
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will go against the grain. OP said that previous to this she has had a good relationship with all of her husband's family except the sister, and that after she objected to the suggestion her mother-in-law apologized and said she hadn't thought it through. To me this means that the relationship can be salvaged if OP can forgive a mistake instead of staying angry about it and cutting ties with them. God knows I've made mistakes in the past that I have needed, and received, forgiveness for. If she said the relationship had been toxic before this I would have had a different opinion, but I believe most of the replies are overreacting to a one-time mistake.

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Gwyn
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't understand all the comments telling OP to go low contact. Yes the conversation was hurtful but it also sounds like mother-in-law realized pretty quickly that she messed up and she tried to apologize for it. Part of having relationships is that inevitably you're going to have hurt feelings and you have to work with the other people to repair the relationship and it sounds like all the people in the story are reasonable and caring. I'm sure if they talk together about how to best handle this for everyone they can work something out.

Papa
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2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I gave you an up vote to get you back to zero, because I agree. Going no contact, as many replies are suggesting, is overreacting to what OP's mother-in-law has said was a mistake on her part. Some people don't seem to realize that we all make mistakes, and that forgiveness can be a good thing for everyone involved.

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sweet emotion
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP and husband and child should definitely start their own holiday traditions - a trip or party with good friends. Too bad that means they won't get to watch mother-in-law suffer the embarrassment of having to explain to the rest of the extended family why her son and daughter-in-law and FIRST grandchild were excluded from Christmas.

Tabitha
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don’t worry. There are other siblings and family members who will voluntarily give OP a full report on MIL’s and FIL’s mortification at having to explain why their son, DIL, and first grandchild are conspicuously absent. All OP has ti do is sit back and wait for the stories to come flooding in.

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Becca not Becky
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP declined a baby shower because of SIL? That's already too far, and Ashley has had close to a year to get a grip on this. Time for her to be an adult

Yu Pan
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ashley is worried that everyone will be fussing and focusing on the baby?? Did you grow up in a vacuum, Ashley? When a baby/child enters a room, they are automatically the focus and they dominate the conversation. That's what babies/children do! They are cute and cuddly and crying and throwing tantrums---all these will hold people's attention! If Ashley can't take it, then she should sit this one out. Mom probably thought Son and DIL will agree to this ridiculous ask because Son never pushes back on any of Ashley's snide remarks and thought Son will continue to be a pushover. I am shocked that BOTH Mom and Dad heard Ashley's request and thought to themselves, "Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. It definitely will not backfire and land me on the persona non grata list. Yeah, let's do it!"

Surly Scot
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ashley isn't emotionally or mentally mature enough yet to have a child. Send her to the kids table.

Uncommon Boston
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't trust them, you will never be part of the family. Ashley found a way to have you excluded from family gatherings. She doesn't like you and will probably come up with reasons to exclude you in the future. Start your own family traditions.

Scott Rackley
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It appears "Ashley" is quite an effective manipulator. That, or FIL and MIL's kneejerk reaction was to exclude. But hey, at least she knows how they feel now.

Angela C
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ashley is an adult and it's her responsibility to handle her emotions and distance herself from situations that might trigger a negative response. It's no one else's duty to shield her from the fact that other people have babies when she doesn't. MIL was out of line to even entertain such a request. I get her wanting to protect her child but shielding your child from anything that might hurt them does them more harm than good in the long run

Paul Rabit
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP has every right to be hurt, but I also can understand why MIL might be myopic about the situation. It happens when you see your child hurting, and sometimes you're so focused on the pain of one, you lapse in judgment when it comes to the other(s). Clearly MIL didn't think it through, and if she's calling, I would hope it would be to apologize, and I'd give her the chance to do that. Of course if MIL was to double-down, then that would be a completely different story, since OP and her husband have made it very clear how they feel about this!

Joanne Wright
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. How would Ashley feel if she finally has a baby, and then is asked to not bring the baby to it's first Thanksgiving and Christmas with all the family? This is extremely cruel and selfish. You guys should plan a trip somewhere for the holidays, and enjoy spending the time alone with your new baby. Start your own traditions :-)

V
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am petty- I would invite all the family minus MIL FIL and Ashley round on the holidays to spend time with the new baby. The three grinches can keep themselves in misery.

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Janelle Collard
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I were OP, I'd only make plans for the holidays with people who *want* to be with us - other married people, people who have no one to spend them with, etc. Or, OP could talk to her hubs + see how to manage the next few years holidays with his fam: total ban on spending *any* time with them for any holiday, MIL + FIL *only* are invited to OP's house for holidays, with a time limit of 1 or 2 hours, etc. So glad that OP's hubs is 100% on his wife's + daughter's side.

Sarah Ellison
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would personally keep SIL at a distance but give MIL a chance to repair the relationship. I'm extremely family oriented and do my absolutely best to ensure my own child has a relationship with my ILs, even if it means I'm putting forth more effort than them. The priority is my son's relationship with them, not my own. If I were OP I would make it clear to MIL that a relationship with them for my child is important, but that if they don't demonstrate an intention to value that relationship, I will be managing expectations and not bending over backwards for them when they suddenly decide they want a relationship.

Rebel Peewee
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Way to say "you're just a DIL, not our daughter." Years ago, my FIL and SMIL suggested the family call me a nickname since their daughter had a friend with my name and they just couldn't keep up with both names being thrown around (what??). Right then and there i understood my standing and lowered my expectations and turned down my level of time and energy towards them to extremely minimal. No reason to invest any more than what's actually appreciated.

Tyke
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP and husband should ensure they have a wonderful celebration, with or without family. As others have said, set a new tradition. MIL should also have a long chat with her daughter about needing therapy. I empathise with her wanting a child, etc, but she can't take that out on her 3 month old niece. If she's not careful, in the future she could find she has no child herself, no relationship with her niece, SIL or Twin brother.

H. B. Nielsen
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was clearly a colossal thing MIL did that will take actual time and work to repair. For so many to consider it absolutely unforgivable though under the circumstances explained is wild though. How often do we hear stories where the offensive party takes no accountability at all? This woman realized how stupid her request was and clearly felt badly about it. Maybe it also wasn't because she realized she was going to lose them, it's actually possible she just plain realized how wrong what she asked was upon speaking it aloud. I hope this family can be repaired and SIL can get the help she really needs.

Hoodoo
Community Member
2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Codependency is as destructive as the problem that created it- OP's in-laws are getting a crash course. When Ashley 's problems become HER problems & her's alone things will be healthier. Kudos to OP 's husband. OP now has her OWN family unit to concentrate on & she ought consider the damage being "2nd Class" will do to her child. NTA big time & it's time to start hosting her own "Ashley -free " holidays.

Damned_Cat
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, MIL already apologized and admitted that she handled everything all wrong. For the sake of everyone, I think we can give her a Mulligan on that one. But she still needs to be the one to deal with her daughter Ashley. There are going to be babies everywhere Ashley goes before she hopefully has one of her own, so she is going to have to find a way to deal with it. She might as well start by welcoming her niece to the holiday celebrations.

Say No to Downvoting
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’ve been in Ashley’s position - I would just take myself and hubby of on a holiday, just the two of us to celebrate by ourselves. It was my issue - not the rest of the family’s. So I need to make my own solutions. MIL is trying to peacekeep…but is a bit misdirected.

FluffyDreg
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was definitely an AH move on MIL's part but I'm genuinly willing to see, considering the context given, this was more of an """oversight""" about how hurtful the comment would be. She absolutely should have known it was a horrible request, but I don't really she's a terrible person and didn't care about hurting OP... just genuinly didn't give the time to think.

DrBronxx
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have reacted the same as OP's husband. If a person is worried about how a situation will affect them, and the situation is actually a happy one, then that person should remove themselves from the situation. We struggled for a long time to have kids. Know what we did? Avoided situations where there were lots of kids around. However, that did not extend to our family. We love our nephews and nieces, and they are excluded from any struggles or pain we felt. They are our family.

tori Ohno
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Start your own family holiday traditions, just the 3 of you, and close friends and family that support you. His parents and sister can eat Xmas dinner by themselves

Nicole Weymann
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe my view is skewed, because so many young parents around me have such a hard time juggling holiday visits that it's quite stressful, and a quiet Christmas without obligations would be more of a boon than a punishment. Also baby is three months old. All the festive hullabaloo is pretty much lost on her yet. There's not much to miss out on. For this one year I'd let SIL have her way as the wounds are still fresh. Or maybe visit grandparents a day or three later - and make crystal clear it's a one time event.

FluffyDreg
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe if someone was offering to babysit that would have been something, but it wasn't.

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Mark Childers
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand how hard this must be for the grandparents, since it's their daughter, and I can't believe how much the twin sister's request stressed them out. Given the freshness of the situation, as the new parents, I would see it as an opportunity to spend some quality time making new traditions with the kid, like going out to eat, eating "nontraditional" food, and things like that.It's one year that the baby won't remember, and if it can get the sister through a hard time, even though she's been difficult, might be the better option, and I don't really think the grandparents should have been guilted. I'm sure they had to have been so stressed and felt so bad. I don't think the couple did anything wrong. Every family dynamic is different, and the thought of not being around siblings and extended family, especially at a celebratory time, may be disappointing and even crushing. In my family, I probably would have stayed home.

Ashlie Benson
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this is the first time I'd say YTA. Not for feeling hurt, I get it. But because your MIL explained and admitted she made a mess of it, but she's trying to look out for her hurting daughter. I would ask the new mom, what would you do for your daughter? Would you try to fight her battles and make life as easy for her as possible? Because that's what MIL was doing. She apologized and tried to talk more, and you all kicked her out. So, yeah, YTA for treating her like that after she was only thinking of her own daughter.

FluffyDreg
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's the AH for trying to press them once the emotions were already down. MIL should have gone "Oh my god I just realized how horrible i was... I'm going to give you space, im genuinly sorry. Please let me know when you are ready for me to make up for it." And left. Being sorry and/or remorseful doesnt give you the right to just bulldoze on after you hurt them.

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Rebel Peewee
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3 days ago

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Can you just find a a quality sitter on Thanksgiving Day and Christmas day? Wtf.

Leslie D
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't have kids found out when I was in my mid 20s it broke my heart. I got the news while my niece was here and was in the middle of a research project. I could have hid and worked on my project the perfect excuse. It was hard seeing her but that is on me. I put a smile on my face and when my mom offered to put them in a hotel I thought nope that's my family so I gave that little girl all the love I wish I could if I had my own.

Valerie Woods
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What has happened to people? I got pregnant the same time as my cousin. I miscarried, and she had a beautiful baby boy. I was sad, but we had a new, round headed little bundle of fun and noise to love. I'd never have suggested such a thing as excluding a baby. I'd have been the one banished if I'd tried.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Stay home, have an open house Christmas Eve, invite family friends whoever, have a great party, then relax Christmas day and do something you like as a household. Probably most of his ands family will come for Christmas even so you can still have them fuss over the kid, but you're setting limits on what kind of disrespect you'll tolerate in the future.

Papa
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will go against the grain. OP said that previous to this she has had a good relationship with all of her husband's family except the sister, and that after she objected to the suggestion her mother-in-law apologized and said she hadn't thought it through. To me this means that the relationship can be salvaged if OP can forgive a mistake instead of staying angry about it and cutting ties with them. God knows I've made mistakes in the past that I have needed, and received, forgiveness for. If she said the relationship had been toxic before this I would have had a different opinion, but I believe most of the replies are overreacting to a one-time mistake.

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Gwyn
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't understand all the comments telling OP to go low contact. Yes the conversation was hurtful but it also sounds like mother-in-law realized pretty quickly that she messed up and she tried to apologize for it. Part of having relationships is that inevitably you're going to have hurt feelings and you have to work with the other people to repair the relationship and it sounds like all the people in the story are reasonable and caring. I'm sure if they talk together about how to best handle this for everyone they can work something out.

Papa
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2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I gave you an up vote to get you back to zero, because I agree. Going no contact, as many replies are suggesting, is overreacting to what OP's mother-in-law has said was a mistake on her part. Some people don't seem to realize that we all make mistakes, and that forgiveness can be a good thing for everyone involved.

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sweet emotion
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP and husband and child should definitely start their own holiday traditions - a trip or party with good friends. Too bad that means they won't get to watch mother-in-law suffer the embarrassment of having to explain to the rest of the extended family why her son and daughter-in-law and FIRST grandchild were excluded from Christmas.

Tabitha
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don’t worry. There are other siblings and family members who will voluntarily give OP a full report on MIL’s and FIL’s mortification at having to explain why their son, DIL, and first grandchild are conspicuously absent. All OP has ti do is sit back and wait for the stories to come flooding in.

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Becca not Becky
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP declined a baby shower because of SIL? That's already too far, and Ashley has had close to a year to get a grip on this. Time for her to be an adult

Yu Pan
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ashley is worried that everyone will be fussing and focusing on the baby?? Did you grow up in a vacuum, Ashley? When a baby/child enters a room, they are automatically the focus and they dominate the conversation. That's what babies/children do! They are cute and cuddly and crying and throwing tantrums---all these will hold people's attention! If Ashley can't take it, then she should sit this one out. Mom probably thought Son and DIL will agree to this ridiculous ask because Son never pushes back on any of Ashley's snide remarks and thought Son will continue to be a pushover. I am shocked that BOTH Mom and Dad heard Ashley's request and thought to themselves, "Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. It definitely will not backfire and land me on the persona non grata list. Yeah, let's do it!"

Surly Scot
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ashley isn't emotionally or mentally mature enough yet to have a child. Send her to the kids table.

Uncommon Boston
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't trust them, you will never be part of the family. Ashley found a way to have you excluded from family gatherings. She doesn't like you and will probably come up with reasons to exclude you in the future. Start your own family traditions.

Scott Rackley
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It appears "Ashley" is quite an effective manipulator. That, or FIL and MIL's kneejerk reaction was to exclude. But hey, at least she knows how they feel now.

Angela C
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ashley is an adult and it's her responsibility to handle her emotions and distance herself from situations that might trigger a negative response. It's no one else's duty to shield her from the fact that other people have babies when she doesn't. MIL was out of line to even entertain such a request. I get her wanting to protect her child but shielding your child from anything that might hurt them does them more harm than good in the long run

Paul Rabit
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP has every right to be hurt, but I also can understand why MIL might be myopic about the situation. It happens when you see your child hurting, and sometimes you're so focused on the pain of one, you lapse in judgment when it comes to the other(s). Clearly MIL didn't think it through, and if she's calling, I would hope it would be to apologize, and I'd give her the chance to do that. Of course if MIL was to double-down, then that would be a completely different story, since OP and her husband have made it very clear how they feel about this!

Joanne Wright
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. How would Ashley feel if she finally has a baby, and then is asked to not bring the baby to it's first Thanksgiving and Christmas with all the family? This is extremely cruel and selfish. You guys should plan a trip somewhere for the holidays, and enjoy spending the time alone with your new baby. Start your own traditions :-)

V
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am petty- I would invite all the family minus MIL FIL and Ashley round on the holidays to spend time with the new baby. The three grinches can keep themselves in misery.

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Janelle Collard
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I were OP, I'd only make plans for the holidays with people who *want* to be with us - other married people, people who have no one to spend them with, etc. Or, OP could talk to her hubs + see how to manage the next few years holidays with his fam: total ban on spending *any* time with them for any holiday, MIL + FIL *only* are invited to OP's house for holidays, with a time limit of 1 or 2 hours, etc. So glad that OP's hubs is 100% on his wife's + daughter's side.

Sarah Ellison
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would personally keep SIL at a distance but give MIL a chance to repair the relationship. I'm extremely family oriented and do my absolutely best to ensure my own child has a relationship with my ILs, even if it means I'm putting forth more effort than them. The priority is my son's relationship with them, not my own. If I were OP I would make it clear to MIL that a relationship with them for my child is important, but that if they don't demonstrate an intention to value that relationship, I will be managing expectations and not bending over backwards for them when they suddenly decide they want a relationship.

Rebel Peewee
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Way to say "you're just a DIL, not our daughter." Years ago, my FIL and SMIL suggested the family call me a nickname since their daughter had a friend with my name and they just couldn't keep up with both names being thrown around (what??). Right then and there i understood my standing and lowered my expectations and turned down my level of time and energy towards them to extremely minimal. No reason to invest any more than what's actually appreciated.

Tyke
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP and husband should ensure they have a wonderful celebration, with or without family. As others have said, set a new tradition. MIL should also have a long chat with her daughter about needing therapy. I empathise with her wanting a child, etc, but she can't take that out on her 3 month old niece. If she's not careful, in the future she could find she has no child herself, no relationship with her niece, SIL or Twin brother.

H. B. Nielsen
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was clearly a colossal thing MIL did that will take actual time and work to repair. For so many to consider it absolutely unforgivable though under the circumstances explained is wild though. How often do we hear stories where the offensive party takes no accountability at all? This woman realized how stupid her request was and clearly felt badly about it. Maybe it also wasn't because she realized she was going to lose them, it's actually possible she just plain realized how wrong what she asked was upon speaking it aloud. I hope this family can be repaired and SIL can get the help she really needs.

Hoodoo
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2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Codependency is as destructive as the problem that created it- OP's in-laws are getting a crash course. When Ashley 's problems become HER problems & her's alone things will be healthier. Kudos to OP 's husband. OP now has her OWN family unit to concentrate on & she ought consider the damage being "2nd Class" will do to her child. NTA big time & it's time to start hosting her own "Ashley -free " holidays.

Damned_Cat
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, MIL already apologized and admitted that she handled everything all wrong. For the sake of everyone, I think we can give her a Mulligan on that one. But she still needs to be the one to deal with her daughter Ashley. There are going to be babies everywhere Ashley goes before she hopefully has one of her own, so she is going to have to find a way to deal with it. She might as well start by welcoming her niece to the holiday celebrations.

Say No to Downvoting
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’ve been in Ashley’s position - I would just take myself and hubby of on a holiday, just the two of us to celebrate by ourselves. It was my issue - not the rest of the family’s. So I need to make my own solutions. MIL is trying to peacekeep…but is a bit misdirected.

FluffyDreg
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was definitely an AH move on MIL's part but I'm genuinly willing to see, considering the context given, this was more of an """oversight""" about how hurtful the comment would be. She absolutely should have known it was a horrible request, but I don't really she's a terrible person and didn't care about hurting OP... just genuinly didn't give the time to think.

DrBronxx
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have reacted the same as OP's husband. If a person is worried about how a situation will affect them, and the situation is actually a happy one, then that person should remove themselves from the situation. We struggled for a long time to have kids. Know what we did? Avoided situations where there were lots of kids around. However, that did not extend to our family. We love our nephews and nieces, and they are excluded from any struggles or pain we felt. They are our family.

tori Ohno
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Start your own family holiday traditions, just the 3 of you, and close friends and family that support you. His parents and sister can eat Xmas dinner by themselves

Nicole Weymann
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe my view is skewed, because so many young parents around me have such a hard time juggling holiday visits that it's quite stressful, and a quiet Christmas without obligations would be more of a boon than a punishment. Also baby is three months old. All the festive hullabaloo is pretty much lost on her yet. There's not much to miss out on. For this one year I'd let SIL have her way as the wounds are still fresh. Or maybe visit grandparents a day or three later - and make crystal clear it's a one time event.

FluffyDreg
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe if someone was offering to babysit that would have been something, but it wasn't.

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Mark Childers
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand how hard this must be for the grandparents, since it's their daughter, and I can't believe how much the twin sister's request stressed them out. Given the freshness of the situation, as the new parents, I would see it as an opportunity to spend some quality time making new traditions with the kid, like going out to eat, eating "nontraditional" food, and things like that.It's one year that the baby won't remember, and if it can get the sister through a hard time, even though she's been difficult, might be the better option, and I don't really think the grandparents should have been guilted. I'm sure they had to have been so stressed and felt so bad. I don't think the couple did anything wrong. Every family dynamic is different, and the thought of not being around siblings and extended family, especially at a celebratory time, may be disappointing and even crushing. In my family, I probably would have stayed home.

Ashlie Benson
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this is the first time I'd say YTA. Not for feeling hurt, I get it. But because your MIL explained and admitted she made a mess of it, but she's trying to look out for her hurting daughter. I would ask the new mom, what would you do for your daughter? Would you try to fight her battles and make life as easy for her as possible? Because that's what MIL was doing. She apologized and tried to talk more, and you all kicked her out. So, yeah, YTA for treating her like that after she was only thinking of her own daughter.

FluffyDreg
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's the AH for trying to press them once the emotions were already down. MIL should have gone "Oh my god I just realized how horrible i was... I'm going to give you space, im genuinly sorry. Please let me know when you are ready for me to make up for it." And left. Being sorry and/or remorseful doesnt give you the right to just bulldoze on after you hurt them.

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Rebel Peewee
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3 days ago

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Can you just find a a quality sitter on Thanksgiving Day and Christmas day? Wtf.

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