That's more MGTOW than incels and there's a reason they stick mostly to their own discussion forums.

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What did she say?

Fair points, and I had also forgotten the lead actor was in "Disclosure", based on a novel by a misogynistic twit. That said, it still established female villainy as violent, and also as a result of female sexual predation on men.

There's any number of abused women who found it horrifying that that writer-director-actor team seemed to delight in taking THEIR real-life, ubiquitous, ordinary experiences and flipping them so it was a guy. The women villains were basically male abusers. It didn't establish anything. "Female villainy"----written by men for men, usurping the reality of what men do to women and giving it to men. You can't just flip genders in writing. Men exist in a world where they're the model, the standard, the definition, the norm, the hero, and where most cops are white Trumpies who hate women and where almost half admit to wife beating. Who do you think those cops sympathize with? Not women.

@Luke, should he not be treated as an abuser? And, in fairness, where was the comedy in movies like JLo in "Enough" (I think that's the one where she learns to be lethal after being abused?)? Also, FYI, should we not empower women to learn to defend themselves? I'm not talking KillBill vengeance here, I just mean basic actual self-defense in real life. FYI, vengeance flicks of male-on-male are also bad, IMO.

I don't think Luke's point is that they shouldn't be depicted or treated as abusers-I thought that was fairly obvious. Their point is that there is a double standard. When men beat women, they are depicted as abusers (because it is abuse). But when women beat men? It's shown as empowerment. It's fine if they're all super powerful heroes or if it's self defence but society is pretty solid on siding with women when men abuse them. That same credence ought to be given to men who are abused should it not?

Women who DEFEND themselves against male abusers are falsely accused of being batterers themselves. If a smaller guy was attacked by a much bigger guy, he'd be condemned. When much bigger men attack much smaller women it's not mentioned. It IS a lesser problem. Women do it FAR less often, are falsely accused of it, and because of the laws of science commit far less serious injuries. In fact, in order to defend herself, sometimes women NEED to arm themselves.

When I was 21 a man broke into my house and attacked me at 4am. I fought back and he left, but not after yanking my phone (landline age) out the wall. 2 hrs later police showed up - he called them and reported me for domestic violence! Cops didn't check my lease or check nextdoor with the landlord to see who ACTUALLY lived there (only me). I went to jail, and by the time I was allowed home that asshat has stolen my car, my computer, and basically everything else of value in my house.

That's awful, but it's a pretty good example of male supremacy/privilege, and how much males (especially police) truly revile females (and probably assume, even subconsciously) that they can't be lone heads of households or live alone, hence falsely jailing a single woman and allowing a violent male to steal all her property. Men as a sex class disgust me sometimes. It's like 8,000 years of crimes against female half of humanity (can we acknowledge females are human, too?) and they just don't let up!

In what universe does anyone forgive domestic violence?

In a universe where nobody acknowledges that men hold all the cards.

if all the cards are held by men, it doesn't mean all men hold a card.

I think your views are heavily skewed. Statistically there are more men abusive towards women than the other way around but it's no that female abusers don't exist, against men or against male children. I bet there were people who thought Jodie was the innocent one. And I don't know what country you live in that you claim men kill us for existing as if all women are being kept down by their overbearing man.

@Artime, go ride a bus in India. Ask for an education in Pakistan. Be a female indigenous activist in Central America. be a black woman asleep in Kentucky, USA. Then get back to us, please.

thier comment had nothing to do with race

OK, 1. did you report the women to the police and 2. so you didn't see it, that means it's not a bigger problem? and 3. people care but 4. male-dominated law enforcement will mock men who are victims, just as they mock female victims, so yell at the cops about it. They're the ones who don't make arrests or laugh about it.

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Women who "abuse" men are often just defending themselves. Anecdote is not data. People would rush to aid the female victim? HAHAHAHAHAHA. No.

@Gin Marie, I think we are alike on this. You don't yell help! You scream, as if your world is ending, "FIRE FIRE!" b/c people run to see a fire. They don't want to get "involved" or "cause trouble" if it's merely violence. UGH.

It's because women aren't allowed to age (at least not naturally). We age normally, just like men do, but somehow this can't be acknowledged in the media and must be kept secret.

For real, why does a man beating a woman need to be "empowered"? To empower means, to "give power to". Men are already empowered by being male in a fight with a female. It is a statistical fact that most men can kill most women with their bare hands. Men don't need anymore power in this situation. I refer anyone who doubts this to Fallon Fox, a man who cracked part of a woman's skull (and seems very proud of himself) easily during a fight that is only supposed to be female on female (UFC, I think).