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Med Student Was Penalized By Examiners For ‘The Most Inappropriate Dress They Had Ever Seen’
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Med Student Was Penalized By Examiners For ‘The Most Inappropriate Dress They Had Ever Seen’

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One tropical disease biology graduate and content creator who shares some very useful study materials, entrance exams and advice with her Instagram followers recently got into an unpleasant situation.

While doing her OSCE exam, the student was “yellow carded for wearing a ‘short skirt.’” Eilidh’s friend posted about the incident on Twitter, asking a question that was probably on many people’s minds: “could someone explain to me how it’s 2021 & medical schools are still pushing sexist notions of primness upon its female student cohort for daring to display their ankles.” There was also an image of Eilidh wearing a classy knee-length dress that’s likely not something that comes to your mind when you hear the word ‘inappropriate.’

So let’s get into the whole incident right below, which hopefully shows just how much patriarchal nonsense women have to endure on a daily basis. And in this instance, academia, sadly, turns out not to be an exception.

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    A medical student has received an academic penalty for wearing an “inappropriate dress”

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    After her friend shared a post on Twitter, the student herself posted this update on the incident

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    There is plenty of evidence to show that gender bias plays out against women in academic hiring, tenure and promotion, as well as in teaching evaluations. The unconscious, ingrained nature of gender bias and discrimination can make these barriers pervasive and hard to prove. Combined with widespread sexual harassment in both laboratories and fieldwork, these phenomena can drive young women away from academic careers.

    The university tried to explain the incident claiming it was part of a role-play of an exam

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    Nevertheless, they agreed that the examiner was wrong to give the student a penalty of a yellow card

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    So Bored Panda spoke to another woman student who wanted to remain anonymous, who told Bored Panda that patriarchy and discrimination are indeed a painful spot of academia. “I think there needs to be a wider awareness of the nature of these comments—why is it felt that showing some extra skin demeans people’s perception of us professionally?” she told us.

    Moreover, the student believes that the whole issue is “steeped in old-fashioned and traditional views that women’s skin may be in some way distracting, or that the sight of the skin above our kneecaps makes us any less professional.”

    Sadly, many women keep such stories to themselves, and we only hear a fraction of similar instances that reach the media. “I suppose the issue is that it’s not uncommon at all for doctors and students to fear speaking out publicly for fear of professional repercussions,” the female student commented.

    Some people thought the university was right to give the student a penalty for wearing what they called an ‘inappropriate dress’

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    Bored Panda dug deeper into the incident and found out from a reliable source that the comment of the dress being the most unprofessional the examiner had seen during her time examining at the university was made after the station had ended and the actor was no longer in character.

    Moreover, we found out that it is up to the clinician to lodge a yellow card and that it stated ‘student had short dress with no leg coverings—roleplayer commented immediately after station looks unprofessional. I agree.’”

    But most of the people couldn’t wrap their head around the whole situation and supported the student

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    Caro Caro
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first 2 reponses from those men. Holy Cow, how is this still happening?

    Mike Loux
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right! Came here just for that. Anybody agreeing with the examiner or these two men can f**k right off, back to the 19th century, where they belong.

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    Aisling Raye
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So a modest, knee+ length dress that covers her shoulders and is not cut in any way to be revealing is inappropriate? My jaw is on the floor. WTF

    JP
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not just inappropriate...the *most inappropriate* they had ever seen. Ridiculous.

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    meh
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What do they expect her to wear, a carpet?

    Amina Hays
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What are they harping on about?? Female consultants wear dresses EXACTLY like that to work in a hospital every day!

    Bowtechie
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    90% of my doctors are women and I have seen skirts that even hit *le gasp* above the knee! Maybe it's because I'm a woman too, but I've never felt it impeded their ability to do their job.

    BasedWang
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is Fn crazy. And the dudes response... She didnt prance into the room with a wand, a tutu and a sports bra.....S**t even then, if your helpin me out what am I gonna bitch about

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dress like a nun, yuou have a chance in medicine. And that even if your bosses are women. The dress is business casual, she'd have a white coat on over it, and it's not uncommon for women to wear something other than nun-habits or trousers if they're the clinician and not in surgery. Three piece suits for women also get penalized (too offputting, as I was told). Sad to see med school hasn't changed in 25 years. *sigh*

    Rob Woodman
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Considering all the nuns I know wear casual to biz casual when teaching and very casual when not...heh. Wonder how the examiners would feel about threadbare sweatpants 😉

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    Tracy Sellars
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay I get the whole needs to have a standard dress, people are sheep in stressful times and look to those who look like they are in a position of authority. Someone rocking up in holiday tank top, shorts and thongs might not reflect authority. But this dress is business attire so I do not understand the issue. Also how many people would notice if ankles are showing?

    Zophra
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This makes no sense. Obviously the dress pictured is fine. Is there a different dress? More to this story? Was it really some weird role-playing scenerio (don;t understand how, exactly.)

    Derek Neibarger
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked at a hospital for sixteen years. Any schmuck can wear a suit and tie.

    Logic and Reason
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Perhaps she was wearing a different dress than the one pictured? Calling that “the most inappropriate dress” seems insane.

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    lara
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem was NOT that her dress or skirt was "too short" but that she wasn't wearing "leg coverings" aka hose. The dress was quite fashionable, modest, dressy and perfect for a "formal" interview. They need more women on the "interview' boards rather than all those misogynistic males. This was in Newcastle, which does not surprise me as it seems that "scholastically" males at "higher centers of learning" have the sexual IQ of lava.

    Maciej Zajaczkowski
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We really need to get rid of such nonsense where people can get their future jeopardised for the appearance of actually decent looking clothing. She clearly was not deliberately dressing in a way with the intention to look 'inappropriate', so she should not be blamed.

    Esperanza Escalante-Amador
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once had a director ask me to only wear pants to work. Dress code is business attire. Never wore short skirts, or skirts/dresses without tights/leggings. I’ve always been shapely. I need to hide my body so you can control yourself? The lengths people go to blame others for their lack of self control.

    Ell Torn
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been treated by so many sh*t doctors in "expensive" suits in my life that she could be wearing a bikini for all I care, as long as I get good treatment.

    Casey McAlister
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this dress in the photo is "the most inappropriate dress they've ever seen", I suppose, they didn't see a lot of dresses in their life. It's black, it covers knees and shoulders, very modest cleavage, it doesn't have any obscene images or text written on it. I fail to see anything remotely inappropriate in this dress.

    Pat Bond
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmm, this is really not normal in the UK, I have the feeling the two chaps hail from further afield than the UK if the sight of the lower leg is a problem.

    M O'Connell
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes certain clothing is required, because circumstances of the profession demand it. In reference to 'Robert Falls' above, yes that dress might not be appropriate attire for someone interviewing to be an auto mechanic, construction foreman, an EMT, or another profession where protective attire is required for the work. Other times clothing is simply whatever we have chosen to wear. In a professional capacity anything which is clean and tidy (presents well) is appropriate, and this dress absolutely presents well for an interview. There is also a huge difference between 'atypical' and 'unacceptable.'

    Bernd Herbert
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dear doctors, you can wear whatever the hell you want when you are treating me. Thanks by the way for that!

    Roz Klaiman
    Community Member
    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Blatant discrimination. It appears the school is located in a country that seems to believe it is still in the 19th century.

    Emily Dobson
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went to a very strict conservative college and that dress would have be acceptable...so I'm just super confused

    Laura Palmer
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only problem I can see is that it is form fitting. To a man or insecure woman it would be seen as sexy just for that reason.

    PixxelDust
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    maybe they want her to dress like Kim Kardashian at the Met Gala.

    PixxelDust
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    so what IS appropriate then? inconvenient and getting-in-the-way ankle length dress with long sleeves and a turtleneck?

    Random Anon
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is part of a larger issue and not just a gender specific. People put too much value on appearance. I've learnt this early on. A junior colleague that looks more "established" basically regurgitating the same things I said, sometimes ad verbatim, will be more convincing. This is because I look a lot younger than my age.

    Adrian
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely says more about the examiners, than about the student. My doctor a couple of weeks ago wore an identical dress. Should I tell her next visit that is the most inappropriate dress I have ever seen? She seemed to examine me properly. I would suggest that if examiners are so worried about such things, then they are definitely in the wrong job. Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; those who fail miserably, examine."

    Jo Chrisco
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, the examiners are saying that they are distracted by your clothing and can't think clearly. Whoever said academics were progressive should read this!

    Nothanks L. Walk
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow... if this had happened to a woman in my year I'd have come in wearing a FULL burqa, and had all the other girls do the same. That navy blue number is absolutely perfect for the job, and leg coverings has to be a typo of some kind, because only women in the oldest profession need be judged by their legs. This whole story is just upsetting to see in the medical field of all places.

    Shay Ward
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Robert Falls u r a joke! actually, a bloody damn foo!! Go find some cranky old geezer that thinks like you and leave female Dr.s to take care of those of us who want excellent medical care. u stick with your antiquated ideas and your old geezers in their high water waist high pants held up by suspenders! Bloody men these days!!!

    JustSome OldDude
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So basically it was the role playing patient who made the comment and gave the yellow card and not the school. yet she is casting sexist blaming on the school.

    JustSome OldDude
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So it wasn't the school that made the comment but rather the role playing patient?

    Paradise
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    *wears dress* suddenly my hands and brain, what I use for my job, don't work!

    Brian Bennett
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why don't med schools, teach medicine because as you can see by this post it depends on who teaches remember garbage in garbage out! Why is it mostly the women who are called on this - there was nothing wrong with this dress and don't med students usually wear a lab coat over their street clothes. Wonderful how the university started to kiss ass when objections were raised - that there was nothing wrong with her clothing! So if doctors can be called out for their dress I got one for you - one doctor I saw came in the exam room looking like he just plowed the back forth using a mule and didn't have a mask was he called out for that - big NOPE!

    Laura Dawson
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    sooo.. women's bodies shouldn't exist in the realms of medicine. You want a floating head to treat you... what's appropriate then - a body bag with a cut out panel so you can see our eyes & mouth.

    Betsy Catlin
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i hate dresses, they are uncomfortable and stupid and should be banned for men and women alike. if this was a male wearing shorts would it have been inappropriate? yes. we should all have been issued our silver jumpsuits 21 years ago with our flying cars anyway.

    Angelynn Wichman
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I gave birth to my son, the on-call OBGYN (a man) showed up in shorts, t-shirt and Birkenstocks. No one batted an eye. He was a doc, there to do his job. He put a smock on and got on with bringing my boy into the world. This focus on only WOMENS clothes is stupid, outdated and highly patriarchal.

    Lyone Fein
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Completely outrageous remarks by the proctor and other administration officials.

    Zet
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    IMAGINE IF SHE WORE A THANKTOP! such inapropriate behaviour of a woman who should be nurse instead of doctor anyway! ....a male patient would just fall instantly in a comatose state because of her inappropriate dress and lack of blood supply to his brain due to all of it flowing down to his lower limbs... Ducking hell man! what's wrong with your baby child brains 13 to 16 years old teens think like that about women NOT adult men!

    Rose the Cook
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In days gone by the medical profession was biased against women and it obviously hasn't changed.

    Jose Arevalo
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The dress is fine. The problem is with the examiners. It triggered their lust.

    Asswipe
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Quite interesting that this is considered the most inappropriate because this dress is about the similar length nurses were having as an outfit a few decades back. It is probably some old man hating the idea that women can be doctors too.

    Atalanta Adamos
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that this was done to a med student just makes it sadder. Wanting to save lives and penalized because of her clothes like it's the fricking 1800s!

    Londo Cotto
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "showing her ankles" . . . . . When did we reintroduce the late 1800s? It's blinding obvious that the young Lass has a 1940s aesthetic going on what with the hair style and very period dress style: she looks absolutely fine. Hell, I wore nursing pajamas at work ( scrubs) and some doctors wore what was essentially dress for attending theatre, the stage one, and I'm not kidding: one doctor wore gorgeous outfits that Grace Kelly would die for. I would seriously question the motives of anyone saying this outfit is inappropriate.

    Steve Wilson
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did she also get penalized for not prescribing leeches to treat internal infections?

    KMill
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve seen plenty of MD’s wearing above the knee dresses or skirts with no stockings. They look great and no one cares. Turns out you can treat patients and have your bare legs showing.

    Sandra Boyd
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The dress is great and she looks good. Presumably the "patient" was a stranger. I must say if I was the patient in the situation outlined, I would rather have a professional looking carer in comfortable clothing and not have their bare legs showing (if or when) they leaned over or sat down. (Don't distract the patient chaps!)

    Rob Woodman
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was reading back through her twitter feed and I have a question that’s totally unrelated: why is a young woman getting botox? And why is a young medical professional unsure if she’s got Botox side effects or Covid? Totally unrelated to the bizarre behaviour from her examiners, just something I was idly curious about.

    Chich
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe it is just me but over the years I have learned to be suspicious of people in buisness/'professional' attire. TBH I could care less what they wear as long as they are honest and competent.

    RoseTheMad
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony is that this is Newcastle University. (if you get it you get it. Gotta love a Geordie style night out, right? xD)

    RoseTheMad
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    but in all seriousness, that dress is lovely and smart imo and the whole situation is some major bollocks.

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    Sharrow
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At first I thought that maybe the exam was an autopsy (so full body protective clothes may be required? idk), but then I read on that it was the patient that complained...

    Dobermax
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why dont rhey just meander back into the 1800s where their professional dress etiquette would be much more appropriate. infuriating. i certainly dont want to be treated by someone who has a moral compass from the 1800s.

    Effin Fred
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not appropriate is correct. Any doctor or med student can clearly understand what this woman did. If you cannot then you're opinion is ignorant.

    Ruth Sneddon
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, I have a dress very similar to that one. I wore it for my graduation and for funerals, but apparently it's incredibly inappropriate!

    albernistuff 4sale
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Any form of "formal attire" when working labs or clinics is abjectly STUPID. The suit and tie "professional look" - just a way of ensuring that you are drinking the kool-aid. Men have to follow BS rules in many industries that are just as ridiculous as this crap. Frankly, when I see a suit, I trust them LESS than I would someone in comfortable, appropriate attire - ie scrubs in medicine, coveralls on a mechanic, apron on a chef etc. A Tie is the symbol of a slave

    TK 421
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see nothing but a tasteful dress. People need to chill

    The Cute Cat
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whaaat?? In my place that is the very attire doctor usually use.. I think that my community dominantly moslem the our clothing custom is more rigid.. Or may be you can move here where people more relaxed on such thing..

    Arti Doane
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    3 years ago

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    I can say I would not want a doctor who dressed like that. But if that's the way she wishes to dress so be it, should not be reprimanded. but don't get mad when patients request another doctor.

    Arti Doane
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    3 years ago

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    I wouldn't want a doctor who dressed like that attending me in a hospital. But if that's the way she wants to dress so be it, but don't get mad when patients request another doctor.

    Frankenfrog
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    3 years ago

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    Men are 100% at fault for how f****d up this world is on ALL levels.

    WilvanderHeijden
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    3 years ago (edited)

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    Sexism exists. BP can surely find 100 000 other examples of this kind of sexism, and everyone can get outraged and post their opinion here. But wouldn't it be better to call this university out on their social media? Twitter: https://twitter.com/studentsncl (@uniofnewcastle) or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/newcastleuniversity or youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/newcastleuniofficial or just mail them: press.office@ncl.ac.uk.

    julia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats just what they did??? DIDNT you see the tweets made by the university in response?? Or are you looking for something to bitch about

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    cybermerlin2000
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    3 years ago

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    Take a friend in who is a plumber or mechanic, preferably female, dressed to the nines. Ask them who they would prefer to be treated by and if they say "Your friend" tell them that they are idiots because the closest to medical skill your friend has is they once put a plaster on. In the meantime, escalate this and keep escalating until you get to someone whose head is not up their own a*s and choking on fumes from the 1880's

    PR
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    Sorry, that is not professional attire. It's too tight. Length is ok. Clothing your Dr is wearing should be unnoticeable. And yes, there is such a thing as professional dress. Just look at what men wear or not wear. No shorts, no sandals with toes showing, ties, no sleevless tops etc. It's very clear. Men professional outfits are always appropriate. You never see men getting called on inappropriate professional attire.

    PR
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    When you want to join an organization it behooves you to know what the dress code is. It's not the time to bend the rules. Not doing your homework is enough to say no admittance IMHO

    CP
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How was that bending the rules? How was that dress inappropriate in any way? The only people agreeing with the examiner are fellow masochists. Imagine thinking dress codes are set in stone.

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    Caro Caro
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first 2 reponses from those men. Holy Cow, how is this still happening?

    Mike Loux
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right! Came here just for that. Anybody agreeing with the examiner or these two men can f**k right off, back to the 19th century, where they belong.

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    Aisling Raye
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So a modest, knee+ length dress that covers her shoulders and is not cut in any way to be revealing is inappropriate? My jaw is on the floor. WTF

    JP
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not just inappropriate...the *most inappropriate* they had ever seen. Ridiculous.

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    meh
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What do they expect her to wear, a carpet?

    Amina Hays
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What are they harping on about?? Female consultants wear dresses EXACTLY like that to work in a hospital every day!

    Bowtechie
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    90% of my doctors are women and I have seen skirts that even hit *le gasp* above the knee! Maybe it's because I'm a woman too, but I've never felt it impeded their ability to do their job.

    BasedWang
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is Fn crazy. And the dudes response... She didnt prance into the room with a wand, a tutu and a sports bra.....S**t even then, if your helpin me out what am I gonna bitch about

    Leo Domitrix
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dress like a nun, yuou have a chance in medicine. And that even if your bosses are women. The dress is business casual, she'd have a white coat on over it, and it's not uncommon for women to wear something other than nun-habits or trousers if they're the clinician and not in surgery. Three piece suits for women also get penalized (too offputting, as I was told). Sad to see med school hasn't changed in 25 years. *sigh*

    Rob Woodman
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Considering all the nuns I know wear casual to biz casual when teaching and very casual when not...heh. Wonder how the examiners would feel about threadbare sweatpants 😉

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    Tracy Sellars
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay I get the whole needs to have a standard dress, people are sheep in stressful times and look to those who look like they are in a position of authority. Someone rocking up in holiday tank top, shorts and thongs might not reflect authority. But this dress is business attire so I do not understand the issue. Also how many people would notice if ankles are showing?

    Zophra
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This makes no sense. Obviously the dress pictured is fine. Is there a different dress? More to this story? Was it really some weird role-playing scenerio (don;t understand how, exactly.)

    Derek Neibarger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked at a hospital for sixteen years. Any schmuck can wear a suit and tie.

    Logic and Reason
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Perhaps she was wearing a different dress than the one pictured? Calling that “the most inappropriate dress” seems insane.

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    lara
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem was NOT that her dress or skirt was "too short" but that she wasn't wearing "leg coverings" aka hose. The dress was quite fashionable, modest, dressy and perfect for a "formal" interview. They need more women on the "interview' boards rather than all those misogynistic males. This was in Newcastle, which does not surprise me as it seems that "scholastically" males at "higher centers of learning" have the sexual IQ of lava.

    Maciej Zajaczkowski
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We really need to get rid of such nonsense where people can get their future jeopardised for the appearance of actually decent looking clothing. She clearly was not deliberately dressing in a way with the intention to look 'inappropriate', so she should not be blamed.

    Esperanza Escalante-Amador
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once had a director ask me to only wear pants to work. Dress code is business attire. Never wore short skirts, or skirts/dresses without tights/leggings. I’ve always been shapely. I need to hide my body so you can control yourself? The lengths people go to blame others for their lack of self control.

    Ell Torn
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been treated by so many sh*t doctors in "expensive" suits in my life that she could be wearing a bikini for all I care, as long as I get good treatment.

    Casey McAlister
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this dress in the photo is "the most inappropriate dress they've ever seen", I suppose, they didn't see a lot of dresses in their life. It's black, it covers knees and shoulders, very modest cleavage, it doesn't have any obscene images or text written on it. I fail to see anything remotely inappropriate in this dress.

    Pat Bond
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmm, this is really not normal in the UK, I have the feeling the two chaps hail from further afield than the UK if the sight of the lower leg is a problem.

    M O'Connell
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes certain clothing is required, because circumstances of the profession demand it. In reference to 'Robert Falls' above, yes that dress might not be appropriate attire for someone interviewing to be an auto mechanic, construction foreman, an EMT, or another profession where protective attire is required for the work. Other times clothing is simply whatever we have chosen to wear. In a professional capacity anything which is clean and tidy (presents well) is appropriate, and this dress absolutely presents well for an interview. There is also a huge difference between 'atypical' and 'unacceptable.'

    Bernd Herbert
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dear doctors, you can wear whatever the hell you want when you are treating me. Thanks by the way for that!

    Roz Klaiman
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Blatant discrimination. It appears the school is located in a country that seems to believe it is still in the 19th century.

    Emily Dobson
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I went to a very strict conservative college and that dress would have be acceptable...so I'm just super confused

    Laura Palmer
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only problem I can see is that it is form fitting. To a man or insecure woman it would be seen as sexy just for that reason.

    PixxelDust
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    maybe they want her to dress like Kim Kardashian at the Met Gala.

    PixxelDust
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    so what IS appropriate then? inconvenient and getting-in-the-way ankle length dress with long sleeves and a turtleneck?

    Random Anon
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is part of a larger issue and not just a gender specific. People put too much value on appearance. I've learnt this early on. A junior colleague that looks more "established" basically regurgitating the same things I said, sometimes ad verbatim, will be more convincing. This is because I look a lot younger than my age.

    Adrian
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely says more about the examiners, than about the student. My doctor a couple of weeks ago wore an identical dress. Should I tell her next visit that is the most inappropriate dress I have ever seen? She seemed to examine me properly. I would suggest that if examiners are so worried about such things, then they are definitely in the wrong job. Those who can, do; those who can't, teach; those who fail miserably, examine."

    Jo Chrisco
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, the examiners are saying that they are distracted by your clothing and can't think clearly. Whoever said academics were progressive should read this!

    Nothanks L. Walk
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow... if this had happened to a woman in my year I'd have come in wearing a FULL burqa, and had all the other girls do the same. That navy blue number is absolutely perfect for the job, and leg coverings has to be a typo of some kind, because only women in the oldest profession need be judged by their legs. This whole story is just upsetting to see in the medical field of all places.

    Shay Ward
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Robert Falls u r a joke! actually, a bloody damn foo!! Go find some cranky old geezer that thinks like you and leave female Dr.s to take care of those of us who want excellent medical care. u stick with your antiquated ideas and your old geezers in their high water waist high pants held up by suspenders! Bloody men these days!!!

    JustSome OldDude
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So basically it was the role playing patient who made the comment and gave the yellow card and not the school. yet she is casting sexist blaming on the school.

    JustSome OldDude
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So it wasn't the school that made the comment but rather the role playing patient?

    Paradise
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    *wears dress* suddenly my hands and brain, what I use for my job, don't work!

    Brian Bennett
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why don't med schools, teach medicine because as you can see by this post it depends on who teaches remember garbage in garbage out! Why is it mostly the women who are called on this - there was nothing wrong with this dress and don't med students usually wear a lab coat over their street clothes. Wonderful how the university started to kiss ass when objections were raised - that there was nothing wrong with her clothing! So if doctors can be called out for their dress I got one for you - one doctor I saw came in the exam room looking like he just plowed the back forth using a mule and didn't have a mask was he called out for that - big NOPE!

    Laura Dawson
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    sooo.. women's bodies shouldn't exist in the realms of medicine. You want a floating head to treat you... what's appropriate then - a body bag with a cut out panel so you can see our eyes & mouth.

    Betsy Catlin
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i hate dresses, they are uncomfortable and stupid and should be banned for men and women alike. if this was a male wearing shorts would it have been inappropriate? yes. we should all have been issued our silver jumpsuits 21 years ago with our flying cars anyway.

    Angelynn Wichman
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I gave birth to my son, the on-call OBGYN (a man) showed up in shorts, t-shirt and Birkenstocks. No one batted an eye. He was a doc, there to do his job. He put a smock on and got on with bringing my boy into the world. This focus on only WOMENS clothes is stupid, outdated and highly patriarchal.

    Lyone Fein
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Completely outrageous remarks by the proctor and other administration officials.

    Zet
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    IMAGINE IF SHE WORE A THANKTOP! such inapropriate behaviour of a woman who should be nurse instead of doctor anyway! ....a male patient would just fall instantly in a comatose state because of her inappropriate dress and lack of blood supply to his brain due to all of it flowing down to his lower limbs... Ducking hell man! what's wrong with your baby child brains 13 to 16 years old teens think like that about women NOT adult men!

    Rose the Cook
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In days gone by the medical profession was biased against women and it obviously hasn't changed.

    Jose Arevalo
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The dress is fine. The problem is with the examiners. It triggered their lust.

    Asswipe
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Quite interesting that this is considered the most inappropriate because this dress is about the similar length nurses were having as an outfit a few decades back. It is probably some old man hating the idea that women can be doctors too.

    Atalanta Adamos
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that this was done to a med student just makes it sadder. Wanting to save lives and penalized because of her clothes like it's the fricking 1800s!

    Londo Cotto
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "showing her ankles" . . . . . When did we reintroduce the late 1800s? It's blinding obvious that the young Lass has a 1940s aesthetic going on what with the hair style and very period dress style: she looks absolutely fine. Hell, I wore nursing pajamas at work ( scrubs) and some doctors wore what was essentially dress for attending theatre, the stage one, and I'm not kidding: one doctor wore gorgeous outfits that Grace Kelly would die for. I would seriously question the motives of anyone saying this outfit is inappropriate.

    Steve Wilson
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did she also get penalized for not prescribing leeches to treat internal infections?

    KMill
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve seen plenty of MD’s wearing above the knee dresses or skirts with no stockings. They look great and no one cares. Turns out you can treat patients and have your bare legs showing.

    Sandra Boyd
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The dress is great and she looks good. Presumably the "patient" was a stranger. I must say if I was the patient in the situation outlined, I would rather have a professional looking carer in comfortable clothing and not have their bare legs showing (if or when) they leaned over or sat down. (Don't distract the patient chaps!)

    Rob Woodman
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was reading back through her twitter feed and I have a question that’s totally unrelated: why is a young woman getting botox? And why is a young medical professional unsure if she’s got Botox side effects or Covid? Totally unrelated to the bizarre behaviour from her examiners, just something I was idly curious about.

    Chich
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe it is just me but over the years I have learned to be suspicious of people in buisness/'professional' attire. TBH I could care less what they wear as long as they are honest and competent.

    RoseTheMad
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony is that this is Newcastle University. (if you get it you get it. Gotta love a Geordie style night out, right? xD)

    RoseTheMad
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    but in all seriousness, that dress is lovely and smart imo and the whole situation is some major bollocks.

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    Sharrow
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At first I thought that maybe the exam was an autopsy (so full body protective clothes may be required? idk), but then I read on that it was the patient that complained...

    Dobermax
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why dont rhey just meander back into the 1800s where their professional dress etiquette would be much more appropriate. infuriating. i certainly dont want to be treated by someone who has a moral compass from the 1800s.

    Effin Fred
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not appropriate is correct. Any doctor or med student can clearly understand what this woman did. If you cannot then you're opinion is ignorant.

    Ruth Sneddon
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, I have a dress very similar to that one. I wore it for my graduation and for funerals, but apparently it's incredibly inappropriate!

    albernistuff 4sale
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Any form of "formal attire" when working labs or clinics is abjectly STUPID. The suit and tie "professional look" - just a way of ensuring that you are drinking the kool-aid. Men have to follow BS rules in many industries that are just as ridiculous as this crap. Frankly, when I see a suit, I trust them LESS than I would someone in comfortable, appropriate attire - ie scrubs in medicine, coveralls on a mechanic, apron on a chef etc. A Tie is the symbol of a slave

    TK 421
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see nothing but a tasteful dress. People need to chill

    The Cute Cat
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whaaat?? In my place that is the very attire doctor usually use.. I think that my community dominantly moslem the our clothing custom is more rigid.. Or may be you can move here where people more relaxed on such thing..

    Arti Doane
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    3 years ago

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    I can say I would not want a doctor who dressed like that. But if that's the way she wishes to dress so be it, should not be reprimanded. but don't get mad when patients request another doctor.

    Arti Doane
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    3 years ago

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    I wouldn't want a doctor who dressed like that attending me in a hospital. But if that's the way she wants to dress so be it, but don't get mad when patients request another doctor.

    Frankenfrog
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    3 years ago

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    Men are 100% at fault for how f****d up this world is on ALL levels.

    WilvanderHeijden
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    3 years ago (edited)

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    Sexism exists. BP can surely find 100 000 other examples of this kind of sexism, and everyone can get outraged and post their opinion here. But wouldn't it be better to call this university out on their social media? Twitter: https://twitter.com/studentsncl (@uniofnewcastle) or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/newcastleuniversity or youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/newcastleuniofficial or just mail them: press.office@ncl.ac.uk.

    julia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats just what they did??? DIDNT you see the tweets made by the university in response?? Or are you looking for something to bitch about

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    cybermerlin2000
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    3 years ago

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    Take a friend in who is a plumber or mechanic, preferably female, dressed to the nines. Ask them who they would prefer to be treated by and if they say "Your friend" tell them that they are idiots because the closest to medical skill your friend has is they once put a plaster on. In the meantime, escalate this and keep escalating until you get to someone whose head is not up their own a*s and choking on fumes from the 1880's

    PR
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    3 years ago

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    Sorry, that is not professional attire. It's too tight. Length is ok. Clothing your Dr is wearing should be unnoticeable. And yes, there is such a thing as professional dress. Just look at what men wear or not wear. No shorts, no sandals with toes showing, ties, no sleevless tops etc. It's very clear. Men professional outfits are always appropriate. You never see men getting called on inappropriate professional attire.

    PR
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    3 years ago

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    When you want to join an organization it behooves you to know what the dress code is. It's not the time to bend the rules. Not doing your homework is enough to say no admittance IMHO

    CP
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How was that bending the rules? How was that dress inappropriate in any way? The only people agreeing with the examiner are fellow masochists. Imagine thinking dress codes are set in stone.

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