I'm not a marriage counselor but my wife posted a very meaningful and controversial article the other day and tagged me in it because I agree with its philosophy. It was titled "Your kids should not be the most important part of your marriage." Of course, many parents were offended and complained bitterly about the article. But we don't make our kids the center of our marriage. We devote a lot of time to them and keep them healthy and educated, of course, but we spend just as much time on each other. If Mom and Dad are happy, the kids are likely to be happy. On many occasions, my wife will rush to get a few things done for the kids in the morning and ask me, playfully "Hey, you wanna do me in the bedroom real quick?!" And I will fix dinner and get the kids to bed so her and I can have some fun and cuddle while we talk about our day. Kids don't define your marriage, you and your spouse absolutely do.

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Agree. Hubby and I are the foundation of the family. Our relationship existed before the children and it needs to exist after the children. They are safe and happy and secure when we are together and modelling a healthy loving relationship. It's in their best interests that we stay together and to do that we need to make each other a priority.

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This also allows the children to "grow up in peace", so to say. Children want to be a priority of their parents, but healthy children do NOT want to be the center of attention and want to have a life outside of their immediate family. Parents who put their children before their own relationship are in danger of suffocating their children with attention, hindering them from developing an independent personality and likely using them as an emotional support - which should be the *partner's* role. Children need to know that they can go and live their own life once they're grown up, and for that they need to know that their *parents* have their own lives outside of being parents.

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Yes!!! Making the child the priority (after their most vulnerable years, let's say, 0-3?) cripples both the child (well into their adulthood) and the partners relationship.

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Thank you for this. Great perspective!

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That actually makes a lot of sense, and I'm reminded of what a public health nurse said to me. "It's okay to take care if yourself and put yourself first before your baby. A healthy mom is a healthy baby." I know it's not in the same context but it sorta is at the same time. Kids needs a solid foundation, and it starts with the parents. Showering them with toys and trips won't matter if all they're hearing is shouting and arguing day and night.

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Yep. In that vein, though, too many moms are falling into the current trap of wellness culture - instead of being told it's okay to sacrifice some of the "nice to have" things (you don't have to make your kids a cooked breakfast every morning, nor do they need an extracurricular activity every night - or even most nights - of the week) in order to properly have time to look after themselves, wellness culture acts like some positive mantras and essential oils will fix everything. It won't. Now moms are expected to look and feel their best while also still carrying the weight of a household and children. I'm massively generalizing, but men aren't falling for this same wellness BS - why? Because when the husband is done his paid job, he's off the clock, in society's eyes. I'm glad that attitude is starting to shift, but still. There's a reason women initiate the majority of divorces, and I suspect many a time it's due to feeling overwhelmed.

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The most important part of the marriage is indeed the disposition of the parents/couple. They need to be okay (mentally, physically, spiritually) to have things work. They're basically the steam engine that keeps things on track.

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Not to mention if you spend all your time focused on your children and never make time for your spouse one day the kids will be gone and you'll be left with this person that you don't know anymore because you haven't grown together.

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Love your kids enough to ensure they grow up in a healthy, loving family environment. You do this by putting your relationship with your partner on the top of the list. You two are the foundation, keep it strong.

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This needs to be higher

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Without you and me, there is no "we" and without "we" there is no family!

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My kids were a little butthurt when I told them my wife who is their mother is the number 1 person in my life. They waited with anticipation to see who was number 2, which is all three of them. Finally at number 3 is myself.

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You & your spouse absolutely must come first. If your relationship breaks down the kids will definitely suffer. My ex tried to talk me into staying married "for the sake of our daughter". I told him straight up that she would be happier & healthier in the home of a happy single mom than in the home of a miserable married couple. I was right. (PS- he's still a miserable person, so apparently it wasn't just me).

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Tmi but still understandable

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I envy people like you.

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Not saying kids can't be a huge part of the relationship, obviously. Just don't act like the kids are the center of the relationship (you shouldn't be the center either, though, it's a balance)

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Also, who's going to absolutely be there when you're old? Your partner. Your kids are going to be off living the life you gave them. Not living their life for you. As it SHOULD BE. Your partner comes before your kids because they came first and they'll be there to the last if you do it right.

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And every couple looking to be parents SHOULD be doing this. If you do not focus on the 1 thing that enabled you to make those children in the first place, then you arent taking care of your children to the fullest extent. Kids need to see what healthy, loving relationships are to then be able to find them for themselves.

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Agreed! When kids are the #1 priority is when divorces happen

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Especially, consider this...eventually the kids will leave home. If you can't communicate with your spouse or stand to be around your spouse, what will you do then? Don't put so much reliance on your kids. Plus if you and your spouse don't get along, be aware that the kids may pick sides as to who they think is the better parent. One of the reasons why my mother hardly heard from any of us kids after we left home. She spent all of our childhood telling us how much of a burden we were to her and how much she had to give up for us. Well guess what, you have your freedom now and you can do what you want. I just won't be there to see it.

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My husband and I mutually agreed to put our children first. Forty two years later, we're still going strong with happy, healthy kids and grandkids. There's no one formula for every couple.

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Important - but not the most important aspect.

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What if there are step kids, who comes first then?

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People fall to resize children need quality of time, attention and care... Not quantity. They do not need all of our focus.

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honestly, I don't think neither this not the oposite is true...but getting together with somebody, because you loved them is one thing. bringing kids into that is another decision that has to be made with care. because there are a few years of childhood, when the children are going to take most of your time, and it should. of course as they grow, they'll be less dependant and as parents you slowly recover some of your adulting life...but if you are together and don't want to go trough that, then don't get kids. in any way, if you are a healthy person, if you spend a few years of your life with more focus on your kids, you'll still have enough years left to enjoy life afterwards...getting married because you want kids, or getting kids because that's what you "do" when you are married are catastrophic arguments, that nobody gains on

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I think they mean, don’t make kids the biggest part of your MARRIAGE. You should still maintain your romantic relationship. Marriage is between man and women(m/m, f/f etc) not the parent and child. If you only focus on your children all the time and never each other, you won’t be happy for very long.

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Wife has degree in marriage and family counseling. One of the bigger factors in a successful marriage are couples responding to “repair attempts” during arguments/conflict. Repair attempts are often little jokes or olive branches to help overcome issues and arguments.

En example: My wife didn’t buy movie tickets in advance for date night this last Sunday and it was sold out. It sucked! She laughed and sheepishly said, “we’ll, at least we get to spend more time together staring longingly into each other’s eyes!” That was her repair attempt. It works two ways though, I also have to respond positively to it... which I did. We did a lot of staring longingly into each other’s eyes last Sunday.

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when one half says "I am not happy about X", do not respond with "ok but I am unhappy with Y." Fix X. Get settled. Then bring up Y if you still need to.

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Expecting one person to be everything for them. You need friends, coworkers, a support system, and hobbies.

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Children.

For the love of everything that is good and pure, don’t bring a child into a broken marriage expecting him to be the lifesaver, it has never worked and it will never, a child is supposed to be the consolidation of the mutual love of the couple, he arrives because the marriage is in a good place, not the other way around.

I work with kids and trust me, most kids are fully aware when mom and dad are in a bad state and he is the only reason they aren’t splitting, and also I have seen the typical dumb parent who believed once the child arrived his/her partner would have a change of heart and would be a better person, of course it didn’t happen, and of course the child was caught in the middle of that crossfire.

Why these people believe a child is the ultimate trump card for saving a marriage is beyond me

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Divorce lawyer here.

Talk. About. Money.

Talk. About. Sex.

If you're marrying someone with a sh*tty credit score, you should know how and why they ended up with it, lest you find yourself in their shoes very quickly. A credit score can cost thousands and take Y E A R S to rebuild. Know if they have any tax liens or liability. Are they paying child support and do they have any kind of garnishment? Who is going to be responsible for managing the finances? How many credit cards does the other person have and what are their balances? I've seen money kill a lot of marriages.

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Another one a lot of people don't think of is actually talking about sex, not just having it. Do you enjoy the sex you have? Would you like to have more of it? Less? Would you like to se it change? Do you or the other person have any weird kinks? Just have the talk. Different sexual wavelengths can be difficult to reconcile.

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When I was in my twenties, I was working as a nursing assistant, and the veteran nurse on the unit walked in holding hands with her husband. I commented that you don't see that every day, and she leaned in and said, 'You want to know the secret, kid?' I said yes, and she continued, 'People don't know how to grow and change together. You will change, and so will your partner. But the question is whether you know how to grow and change together.'

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Not listening, most people listen to respond and don't listen to hear. This is what I spend the most time teaching couples how to do!

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Not a therapist but I read an article once that I found very useful. I can’t remember he exact terms but basically, how you react when your partner reaches out with small probes for connection. It’s not necessarily big hobbies or interests, but little things throughout every day that are sort of unconscious reaches for positive feedback from your partner. For example: I see a pretty bird outside and I say “omg! Come look at this cool bird!” Or “hey check out this song I heard that I really like.” If my partner passively or blatantly rejects that, it feels bad, even if I don’t always fully recognize that in the moment. Over time, those micro-rejections as I call them start to buildup and it’s why people start to feel like someone doesn’t really care about them.

On the flip side, even just a little bit of positive attention and sharing in a moment makes you feel so good, again even if you don’t realize it. Getting up and looking at the bird is saying, “this is important to you in this moment so it’s important to me.” It’s basically like those are the small shared experiences that build up a joint life and if you start to neglect your partner in those small ways, you can grow distant.

I try really hard now to never ignore or reject my partners small reaches. I often don’t care about the Instagram meme he wants to show me or the latest NBA news, but I’ll listen or look and laugh because I want him to feel loved and appreciated.

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Expecting partners to be able to read their mind and anticipate needs and wants.

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Getting married because they wanted a wedding, not because they wanted to be married.

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I was asked once.... what is marriage, 50/50? 60/40? 75/25? I said 50/50. Nope! The answer is 100/100. Both must be willing to do everything for each other, all of the time. Simple as that. Free advice I thought I would pass along.

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Keeping score. A partnership is a team, not a competition. Whether a person keeps score of everything they have done, or everything their partner has done, it is a death knell for the relationship. This is one of the most common causes of resentment in a relationship, and you see it often when people use absolute terms to describe themselves or their partners (I.e: I always..., she never...). Remembering that each person has his/her own needs, abilities, skills, and boundaries is essential to a healthy couple.

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As soon as couple stops being on the same team, fighting all the bullsh*t of life together, things fall apart. Get on the same team. Get behind each other's goals. If you're not on the same team, you're just going to wind up annoying the f*ck out of each other. All that bullsh*t of life is going to be beating you down and your life partner is just going to be part of it instead of a refuge.

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The most important thing I would stress is don't go to bed angry.

If my wife and I have a problem, we talk it out or the lights stay on until we're done.

You cannot let those silent wedges dig their way into your souls. Something will break eventually, and may be irreparable.

I would like to end with a very positive example of communication.

Last Saturday my wife and I woke up and started cooking for an evening to be spent at a friend's house to watch the new Deadwood movie. We LOVE the series and have watched it at least 4 or 5 times. We were going to make a themed meal of a crock pot of chili with cornbread and of course, peaches with authorized cinnamon.

My wife put on the soundtrack for the show, and we got started in the kitchen.

As she was taking something down from the cupboard, I noticed the scattering of gray in her hair.

Then the Lyle Lovett song "Old Friend" began to play. It had never meant much to me before, but in that moment it hit me SO hard. I nearly broke down on the spot. Remember how Amelie dissolved into a puddle? That's what my heart did. I realized that she is my old friend. Of course, I don't think of her as old, but we're both getting older. Still, at 63 she's often mistaken for being a decade younger. Attitude and energy counts for a lot, and that's part of the reason why we fit so well because we still feel young at heart.

I took a minute to compose myself and we carried on cooking.

But that feeling wouldn't go away. It wasn't as if I didn't know that she's the love of my life, but that moment was such an intense confirmation that it took me two days to tell her because I wasn't sure that I'd get through it without breaking down, and I didn't want her to think that my tears meant something was wrong.

I told her yesterday afternoon when I got home from work, and she was so happy to hear it. She's been out of work for six months, and really struggling with feelings of inadequacy and attractiveness. We've both gained some weight, but to me, she's still as beautiful and sexy as ever.

She really appreciated hearing how I felt exactly because she was dealing with all these negative thoughts, and just me telling her how I felt was a big boost for her.

Talk to your partners, people! Don't assume. Confirm.

Love needs to be nurtured in order to last.

Do the work.

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Not giving intimacy in their relationship enough attention. This includes but is not limited to sex. Many relationships start with the "hot and heavy" phase where intimacy can come naturally. As this phase diminishes many couples do not spend the time and energy to consider how to maintain a healthy level of intimacy now that it doesn't just come naturally.

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Expecting that because your significant other knows you better than others and is around you most, that they are aware of all of your thoughts and feelings. Your partner is not psychic, and no matter how often they are around you or how well they know you, they cannot pick up on every nuance to determine how you are feeling and how they should respond. That is called emotional babysitting, and it cascades into a host of problems and unnecessary hurt.

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Lack of communication/comfort with discussing difficult topics. Or one partner being uncomfortable with discussion a topic which leaves both partners feeling frustrated or dissatisfied.

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When your significant other brings something to your attention, that they need/want, don't react harshly if it's something they've refused to bring up sooner. Getting loud or defensive "Why didn't you bring this up sooner!" will make them shy away from bringing things up again due to negative reinforcement/backlash.

This is especially true if they've been victims of any kind of abusive relationships.

Source: Literally killed my marriage because I was an idiot and didn't respond in an open, non-positive way.

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When you're hurt, say so, and stop trying to 'hurt back'. When someone does something or says something hurtful, whether conscious or not, let them know in a non accusatory way before you begin the game of throwing daggers. Much of the relationship damage that couples endure is the back and forth hurt-each-other game that snowballs out of control, causing a ton more damage.

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Thinking that they have to feel 'in love' at all times, and that if they don't, then they obviously married the wrong person.

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They say people divorce over money, but they don't — they divorce over values. And nothing brings out someone's values — or lack thereof — like money. If you can't understand the person's priorities, fears, hopes, dreams, goals, and what drives them financially, if you look down on them for any of that, or if think you'll be able to fix any of that, don't marry them.

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Therapist here, have served couples.

Number one problem I see is overactive threat response creating anger and rigidity. People don’t stop to turn down their defense mode, and lose sight of love because all their energy is going towards being right or controlling the outcome. Of course that control comes from a place of fear, but fear and vulnerability feels too dangerous, so it typically gets expressed as anger, frustration, or rigidity.

Surrender to not having control, accept what’s in front of you, and cultivate compassion. Please. Because y’all rigid couples who just can’t prioritize empathizing with each other over your fear response are driving me nuts! :)

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People don't learn to fight. You have to fight fair in a relationship. People go nuts when they get mad and some couples never learn to fight in a way that honors the person you are fighting with. It is so important to learn to respect space, don't assume motives, and take turns in explaining your views.

Its a big deal and I work on it quite a bit in counseling.

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Never lash the other with past misbehaviors when trying to resolve a current issue. We have been married 17 years so there is limitless [stuff] we can pull out of our history together to highlight past wrongs and that just derails what could be a quick resolution.

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I've been married for 10 years and my partner is an MFT. All of the suggestions in this thread are wonderful and accurate. The one thing that I want to add onto them is probably the biggest lesson that my partner and I have discovered over time: people change. You will change. They will change. It is nigh impossible to have the same relationship 2 years in that you did at the start--don't try to hold onto it. The only way my partner and I have stayed together for as long as we have is because we were able to adapt to each other.

That being said, don't try to force a relationship that's inherently dysfunctional. It's not a mark of failure for a relationship to end. Change seems scary, but the truth is you've already changed.

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