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Man’s Reality Falls Apart As Fiancée’s Brother Asks Him How The Adoption Process Is Going
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Man’s Reality Falls Apart As Fiancée’s Brother Asks Him How The Adoption Process Is Going

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Dealing with infertility is in no way easy. Neither is talking about it. But when thinking about spending the rest of your life with someone and planning on maybe even starting a family, it’s a crucial topic for partners to discuss to make sure they are on the same page about their future.

After realizing that his sister wasn’t honest with her fiancé about being infertile, this redditor found himself facing a moral dilemma – whether to tell a secret that is not his to tell or let a man continue to dream about having biological children with the woman that he loves dearly. The OP chose the former option, consequently causing quite a rift in the family and even wondering if he was in the wrong for doing so. Scroll down to find the full story below.

Infertility can be an incredibly painful thing to go through or even talk about, for that matter

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This woman hadn’t told her fiancé that she was infertile, so her brother did that for her

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Infertility reportedly affects one-in-six people globally

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Infertility can come as a big blow, especially for people who couldn’t wait to have kids of their own. And even though there are other ways to become parents, such news, usually accompanied by a mix of overwhelming emotions, takes time to cope with.

According to a report released by Cedars-Sinai Hospital, a study of infertile couples’ experience found that half of the surveyed women and 15% of the surveyed men described infertility as the most upsetting experience of their lives.

“For some women and couples, there can be this expectation, a dream or plan that they had about having children, and they feel robbed of that dream,” noted Dr. Eynav Accortt, a clinical psychologist and director of the Reproductive Psychology Program at Cedars-Sinai Hospital.

Needless to say, having your dream taken away from you is not something one can talk about easily. To make matters worse, there is still a stigma surrounding infertility that makes opening up that much more difficult, even though it’s not that rare of an occurrence; according to the WHO, one-in-six people globally are affected by infertility.

Yet there is still stigma surrounding it

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Accortt continued to point out that nowadays men are much more involved in family life, so they feel the hardships of perinatal loss just as deeply as women do. But, according to a study on infertility stigma, while inability to have children affects both sexes equally, women are most frequently blamed. “This causes infertile women to feel guilty and threatens their self-esteem. Thus, infertile women experience greater psychological stress than infertile men, and they are often stigmatized for being infertile and being childless,” the researchers of the study wrote.

Bearing in mind the stigma surrounding infertility and the toll it takes on one’s mental well-being, it’s not surprising that a person might find it difficult to talk about it even with the people they love most. Chances are, the OP, too, couldn’t summon the strength to start the difficult conversation with her fiancé. However, hiding the issue might only cause more problems down the line.

Atlanta Center for Reproductive Medicine suggests that it’s crucial that both partners know what they’re up against, so they can overcome the roadblock together. According to the center, “The earlier you have this seemingly daunting conversation with your significant other, the sooner you’ll feel better about your situation. The longer you keep it a secret, the more self-doubt, guilt, and blame may manifest in other areas of your relationship.”

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It’s unclear whether or not—and when—the OP’s sister was thinking of having the conversation with her significant other. But her brother believed that the groom-to-be should be aware of the situation before making a lifelong commitment. While some netizens believed the redditor did the right thing by letting him know, others suggested that it wasn’t his secret to tell. Both sides shared their thoughts in the comments.

Some people weren’t quick to judge the brother for his actions

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Others, however, believed that it wasn’t his secret to tell

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Beth Wheeler
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She should have told her B/F that she can't have kids a long time ago, especially when he proposed. He needed to know and she should have told him not her brother.

Alexandra
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep. It's astounding how many couples never discuss things like financials, working full- or parttime, children and/or number of children, sharing of household chores and housing before they get married.

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ॐBoyGanesh
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SIX YEARS !!!!! Leading someone on or withholding information that was wholly relevant, given his expression of desire to have kids, is more than a grace period to figure out how to broach the subject. Not being forthcoming upon the proposal is no better than outright lying. Which this woman did, anyway. The wheels of diabolical manipulation have been spinning for quite some time. I hate to be the one to bring up gender division, but had they been reversed it would have been a “girls’ girl” looking out for her fellow sister. This guy had been in OPs life for 6 years, so they were friendly acquaintances, at least. Which isn’t even a bare minimum for getting someone’s back. You don’t knowingly allow people to get f****d over by dishonestly & wit holding. No matter who the person doing it is.

Andrew
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's terms for that. Fraud by omission, fraud by deception. Goes on, that is grounds for terminating the marriage.

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Stacy s
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His sister has some serious mental issues. Even if she married him, even if he spent years of them trying to conceive - eventually they would go to fertility doctors - How long was she going to keep this lie up?

Kathrin Pukowsky
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even worse, given the backstory, she very likely had part of her reproductive system removed. I would understand that it was a clver-ish scheme if she could feign surprise when it eventually came out she can't have children, but this lie by omission was doomed to blow up in her face sooner or later.

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Libstak
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

6 years with someone who openly and publicly displays his wishes and dreams of having children and you say nothing about being infertile? The brother heard enough to feel bad for the guy clearly not knowing...yet the fiance, the one who claims to love him was OK with lying. Imagine all the sexy nights of pillow talk, the intimate evenings discussing their future and she never once owns up that his dreams are not viable and they will need either a surrogate or adoption. He deserves better. If she had been honest from the start, I have no doubt he would have looked at all the alternatives,aka. He can still be a biological father via surrogacy,as a prime example. Six years could have included a plan to make his dream come true and stay with the woman he loves. But instead he finds out she is a liar and has lied for 6 years.....

Lace Neil
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't want children. I told my boyfriend this on the first date. He said he didn't want them either. We've been together for twenty two years now. This is the kind of thing you can't keep a secret, everyone deserves to know where they stand regarding children.

Mark Stewart
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe it wasn't OP's place to say but Adam definitely had a right to know, the outcome shows this was likely a huge deal breaker for him. If the situation was reversed and Adam was the one that was infertile, the YTA crowd would probably be the first to roast him for lying to Emma.

Petra Peitsch
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How the f.ck do yoiu want to start any kind of relationship, based on a lie? Or you arw a not-discussing crucial facts? Like .... what are you hoping for? You are f.cknkg up another person......

MrsFettesVette
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was in a similar situation as the sister- I had a serious illness that nearly killed me when I was in my early 20s- complications from that meant essentially I'm infertile. If somehow I even managed to conceive, I probably wouldn't carry a child to term. My best path to being a parent would either be to be involved with someone who already has children or to adopt. It's not a difficult subject to broach at all, at least it wasn't for me. With everyone I've dated, kids have come up pretty early in the conversation (you know, the whole "what are you looking for in a relationship" conversation). It was pretty easy to say, "this happened to me and so this is how it's going to be". Or even before the subject has come up, just in casual conversation, I've made comments about it. It's very easy to not lie.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm adopted, myself. Never had a problem with it XD I often read posts online about people who have fertility issues but they refuse to even consider adoption/fostering/egg or sperm donation because they MUST have their own biological children. It always seemed weird to me that they want children SOOO badly, but the children HAVE to be their DNA or else nothing. I've come to understand now that some people just have their reasons and only want bio kids. Okay, I can accept that. But LYING about one's fertility is another level entirely, especially if the other person wants kids. It seems like a very cruel thing to NOT be upfront about. What was Emma going to do when she didn't conceive after a few years of trying? Try to keep up with the lie?

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LB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I swear this was on here two weeks ago. Anyway. I agree, he could have said: I know you are lying, tell him or I will. But what he did now was good too - don't protect people that do this kind of thing to someone they profess to love.

FreeTheUnicorn
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why would you want to marry someone you couldn't talk to about your health? What is wrong with her? Whatever it is, glad the fiancé found out now that she's a manipulative snake who thinks so little of him that she won't share basic facts about her life with him under the pretext that he's so shallow he wouldn't marry an infertile woman.

R Dennis
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sucks when people who want biological children can't conceive, it's beyond their control. Being honest IS within people's control.

Tango Wox
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm confused by the 'not your secret to tell' thing as OP had every reason to believe it was not a secret and was even tactful to only include parties they had reasonable expectations of being in the know. Sounds like sister was just leading on the fiancé and hoping he would give up after they tried for a while.

Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YTA comments are as unhinged as the parents... YOU CANNOT treat family memebers as if they are some holy beings. If they are evil people that is it...Gaslighting and lying and manipulation of that degree FOR SO MANY YEARS! even lying to her brother to keep it up... Nah.. Disgusting. Stay away from ppl like that and warn others about them.

Sue User
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who cant have kids, he is NTA. We found out after we were married and several miscarriages. It was the beginning of the end. I dont blame my ex ( he was adopted and it was not good ). OP should respond with " but sis, you said he knew and was fine. I would have never said anything otherwise". All those " but there are ways now" people are missing the point. She lied about something major. If she had told fiance " i might not be able but we can see" would have been different.

Jack Sonol
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's with all the YTA comments that ignore that sister said she talked to her fiance about this already? If she hadn't lied about that then there wasn't anything to reveal, OP was just making casual conversation. People can be so delusional when it comes to sensitive topics about women it's unreal.

Angela C
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sis had 6 years to come clean. Maybe it wasn't OP's "place" but at that point Adam deserved to know

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Blind loyalty to a family member, who lied for 6 years over something BIG - which would involve destroying another person's life, or making the decision to say something that will probably end the relationship. Maan, I wouldn't have wanted to be in his shoes, but I feel he made the right decision, as, down the line, all hell would break loose. I feel so bad for the fiancé.

Broadredpanda
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not OPs secret to tell, but it's absolutely astounding that she hasn't told him in six years and had no intention of doing so before the wedding. She's done this to herself and people on her side saying "you should have kept your nose out of Their business" what do they think was going to happen when he found out AFTER the wedding??? A messy divorce that's what! She should have gave him the vital information so he could make a decision about what happens next, then discuss the implications and what they can do because she can't have children. But no, she's lied massively and instead of being sorry, she using her anger to blame someone else. Every family member knew that she couldn't have kids, but watched and listened to him adoringly talk about having kids knowing that she couldn't? You're AHs too! This was NEVER going to be anything but messy and heartbreaking for one, but could have been very different had she disclosed the truth early on. NTA OP

Ben Aziza
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"It's not OPs secret to tell" Yes it is. Argue to me why it is not. I will not sit idle as i see abuse happening. Would you? Why?

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sweet emotion
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There were only ever two outcomes to this saga : Emma finds herself un-engaged now, or divorced for fraud when the truth finally comes out. Never mind that lying through your teeth to someone you claim to love is immoral and really just icky. Sounds like LW has saved Adam a lot of money in attorney's fees.

DC and S
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh. The whole "not his secret to tell" rational feels so problematic and enabling. It's just an excuse to try to detach ourselves from our complicity in behaviour we know to be unacceptable and bad. Secrets that are deeply harmful to others and will continue to be should never be kept "secret" and SHOULD be called out. We teach this to children FFS. "Yeah, I knew he was peeping in windows at night but it wasn't my secret to tell" "I knew she had a gambling problem and was blowing through their life savings fast, but it wasn't my secret to tell" "I knew she hated his twin daughters and planned to ship them off to boarding school, but it wasn't my secret to tell." "I knew he was having affairs, but it wasn't my secret to tell."

Chris Riccardino
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh no, a liar got caught lying after telling multiple lies to multiple people. If Emma had just been... honest... this wouldn't be an issue.

gilliansl aka Gillian Silverlight
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had to have a hysterectomy at age 25, after having my daughter, or bleed to death. I have always been very upfront about telling men I dated that I could not have children. Many ran away afterwards. Some accepted it and later changed their minds stating they DID want bio children and hurried to have affairs. I think it's only fair to tell someone a hard truth initially rather than later I also feel that if the other person LOVES them, they can and will accept that, and plan for children in alternative manner. I also think that once accepted, they do NOT get to drop the person if they change their minds. That when THEY need to be honest and deal with the situation THEY chose rather than cheat, blame, and bully with guilt.

Ace
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Was really confused by the use of "fiancée" which made me assume that sister was marrying another woman, and therefore could she bear the bio kids instead? OK, so maybe it's just the French speaker in me being pedantic, but if it's a man then he's a fiancé, not a fiancée. Anyway, yes, he deserves to know; he should also, IMO, just accept it, if it's not too late for that after 6 years of it being hidden.

KatSaidWhat
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

6 years is a very long time to omit this huge thing. And to expect everyone else to lie while denying him the life he wants to live is not cool. Sure, the brother might have broached it differently but ultimately he did the right thing, imo.

zovjraar me
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

no, he's looking out for someone he considers a friend and maybe brother. he tried to get his sister to tell her fiance and she didn't. she wouldn't do the right thing, so he did. i don't think he's in the wrong.

Bookworm
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many are focused on this not being OP's secret to share. I rather think it wasn't the sister's secret to keep. She lost that right when she spent 6 years lying to Adam and didn't come clean when he proposed. I hope Adam finds someone who's honest and sister gets the help she needs. I wonder if this is some serious denial mixed with duplicity and magical thinking on the sister's side.

CBolt
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love the way you worded that - "it wasn't the sister's secret to keep" from someone she was in a relationship with.

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Aballi
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Easy NTA. She said "we're adopting", and using that info, he asked the fiance how the adoption process was going. She lied--first by omission to her fiance, then lying to her brother--and got found out.

TruthoftheHeart
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a woman with fertility issues I know how important it is to have that conversation, I've had relationships end because they wanted biological children I could not offer. She fully intended to try to keep it a secret and play it off as being unable to conceive until she convinced him to adopt. She should have told him years ago and she lost that chance it was now up to those around them to inform her fiance of the lie.

Ben Aziza
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish you the best. Depending on the detail of the issue. There could already medical and scientic options for you. Like surragacy. Even more JUST THIS YEAR IVG has been done in mice... As in creating Eggs or sperm from undifferentiated cells... The scientist in the field predict reproducibility in humans in a few years or possibly decades ... The few years i understand...Simply because humans have a more complex Gametogenesis... The few decades is probably because of the ethics rules...Some of these rules are logical AND NEEDED to stop ppl like that unhinged Chinese doctor who modified the genes of kids invitro!!! Others are remnants of unhinged religious beliefs that somehow shape our laws to this day...

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Hollie Marie
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He shouldn't have got involved because now it comes down to why was nothing said sooner why did he choose that moment to bring it up how long has he known that the fiancée didn't. Like she should have told him 100% but thats on her. She needs to suffer the consequences of her own actions, by telling him yourself you are taking the heat from your sisters decision which means she gets less trouble thrown her way. You should have just kept it between you and the sister and be like why aren't you saying anything what do you think is going to happen ect maybe involve their mum and dad but ultimately don't make that step for her. I understand the poor bloke is being lied too and going through s**t however for the majority the brother didn't know so he's clear and when he did find out his reasoning for not saying would be this he didn't want to be the catalyst and get c**p from his own family over it.

MidnightProphecy
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Really hate how having kids is the be all end all of everything. They're not all that. Knowing you can't 100% and not discussing at the start is wrong but it's also wrong to stick your nose in and go tell them yourself!

Max Fox
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with the "ultimatum" people. He should have told the fiancee, but should have given his sister the opportunity first. As for the "not your business people" What sort of sociopaths are they? What next "yes, you sister is cheating on her fiancée, but you're a AH for telling him"? Or maybe he should also be quiet if his sister is abusing her fiancée? As for "they could still have biological children"? Based on the story, the sister's operation would preclude anything that exists in modern technology. Idjits.

Kevin Swanson
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe it’s also grounds for divorce if you marry someone when they can’t have children and they don’t reveal it ahead of time.

Michael Danhauer
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They are both an AH. Anyone who thinks one but not the other is as well has a healthy bias one way or the other.

Schmebulock
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like a lot of horrible people that also are on the low end of the intelligence spectrum

Kathrin Pukowsky
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Sis, I can tell you're lying. If you think he will leave you over your inability to have children, good riddance. You deserve somebody who loves you as a person, and doesn't see you as just an incubator. If you are afraid he will leave you because you concealed the truth for so long, I'm sorry, but he would have every right to do so. You intend to spend your lives together, but you kept something important from him. You'd be just as mad if he suddenly told you that he has a secret child that he fathered in high school or something like that. You need to come clean to him and apologise. Whatever happens afterwards, our family and I will be there for you."

Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a woman fell in love me and wanted to have kids while i knew i shoot blanks i would suggest adpotion and or the option of artificial incemination... I would not default getting rid of her from this high horse i am stitting on... The villfying people who value having biological children kind of disgusts me. I personally don't mind not having a genetic link to my children. But there are those who do want that... Who am i to say that they are bad people??? Who are you say that??? What gives you the moral authority?

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Spittnimage
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2 weeks ago

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After OP let the cat out of the bag he figures out it wasn't his place to say anything.

Fembot
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2 weeks ago

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Both sisters are AH’s. One for misleading her husband and the other for meddling. OP could have had a proper intervention with her sister first, motivate her to come clean.

UKGrandad
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

'Both' sisters? There is only one woman in the story. "Man’s Reality Falls Apart As Fiancée’s Brother Asks Him How The Adoption Process Is Going".

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Nikole
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This was not your tale to tell, brother.

Trillian
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes it was. It was not out of the blue. They had been listening to the guy's family planning for ages. If you want to deceive your partner like that make sure I am not around to hear.

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Beth Wheeler
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She should have told her B/F that she can't have kids a long time ago, especially when he proposed. He needed to know and she should have told him not her brother.

Alexandra
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep. It's astounding how many couples never discuss things like financials, working full- or parttime, children and/or number of children, sharing of household chores and housing before they get married.

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ॐBoyGanesh
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SIX YEARS !!!!! Leading someone on or withholding information that was wholly relevant, given his expression of desire to have kids, is more than a grace period to figure out how to broach the subject. Not being forthcoming upon the proposal is no better than outright lying. Which this woman did, anyway. The wheels of diabolical manipulation have been spinning for quite some time. I hate to be the one to bring up gender division, but had they been reversed it would have been a “girls’ girl” looking out for her fellow sister. This guy had been in OPs life for 6 years, so they were friendly acquaintances, at least. Which isn’t even a bare minimum for getting someone’s back. You don’t knowingly allow people to get f****d over by dishonestly & wit holding. No matter who the person doing it is.

Andrew
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's terms for that. Fraud by omission, fraud by deception. Goes on, that is grounds for terminating the marriage.

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Stacy s
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His sister has some serious mental issues. Even if she married him, even if he spent years of them trying to conceive - eventually they would go to fertility doctors - How long was she going to keep this lie up?

Kathrin Pukowsky
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even worse, given the backstory, she very likely had part of her reproductive system removed. I would understand that it was a clver-ish scheme if she could feign surprise when it eventually came out she can't have children, but this lie by omission was doomed to blow up in her face sooner or later.

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Libstak
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

6 years with someone who openly and publicly displays his wishes and dreams of having children and you say nothing about being infertile? The brother heard enough to feel bad for the guy clearly not knowing...yet the fiance, the one who claims to love him was OK with lying. Imagine all the sexy nights of pillow talk, the intimate evenings discussing their future and she never once owns up that his dreams are not viable and they will need either a surrogate or adoption. He deserves better. If she had been honest from the start, I have no doubt he would have looked at all the alternatives,aka. He can still be a biological father via surrogacy,as a prime example. Six years could have included a plan to make his dream come true and stay with the woman he loves. But instead he finds out she is a liar and has lied for 6 years.....

Lace Neil
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't want children. I told my boyfriend this on the first date. He said he didn't want them either. We've been together for twenty two years now. This is the kind of thing you can't keep a secret, everyone deserves to know where they stand regarding children.

Mark Stewart
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe it wasn't OP's place to say but Adam definitely had a right to know, the outcome shows this was likely a huge deal breaker for him. If the situation was reversed and Adam was the one that was infertile, the YTA crowd would probably be the first to roast him for lying to Emma.

Petra Peitsch
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How the f.ck do yoiu want to start any kind of relationship, based on a lie? Or you arw a not-discussing crucial facts? Like .... what are you hoping for? You are f.cknkg up another person......

MrsFettesVette
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was in a similar situation as the sister- I had a serious illness that nearly killed me when I was in my early 20s- complications from that meant essentially I'm infertile. If somehow I even managed to conceive, I probably wouldn't carry a child to term. My best path to being a parent would either be to be involved with someone who already has children or to adopt. It's not a difficult subject to broach at all, at least it wasn't for me. With everyone I've dated, kids have come up pretty early in the conversation (you know, the whole "what are you looking for in a relationship" conversation). It was pretty easy to say, "this happened to me and so this is how it's going to be". Or even before the subject has come up, just in casual conversation, I've made comments about it. It's very easy to not lie.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm adopted, myself. Never had a problem with it XD I often read posts online about people who have fertility issues but they refuse to even consider adoption/fostering/egg or sperm donation because they MUST have their own biological children. It always seemed weird to me that they want children SOOO badly, but the children HAVE to be their DNA or else nothing. I've come to understand now that some people just have their reasons and only want bio kids. Okay, I can accept that. But LYING about one's fertility is another level entirely, especially if the other person wants kids. It seems like a very cruel thing to NOT be upfront about. What was Emma going to do when she didn't conceive after a few years of trying? Try to keep up with the lie?

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LB
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I swear this was on here two weeks ago. Anyway. I agree, he could have said: I know you are lying, tell him or I will. But what he did now was good too - don't protect people that do this kind of thing to someone they profess to love.

FreeTheUnicorn
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why would you want to marry someone you couldn't talk to about your health? What is wrong with her? Whatever it is, glad the fiancé found out now that she's a manipulative snake who thinks so little of him that she won't share basic facts about her life with him under the pretext that he's so shallow he wouldn't marry an infertile woman.

R Dennis
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sucks when people who want biological children can't conceive, it's beyond their control. Being honest IS within people's control.

Tango Wox
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm confused by the 'not your secret to tell' thing as OP had every reason to believe it was not a secret and was even tactful to only include parties they had reasonable expectations of being in the know. Sounds like sister was just leading on the fiancé and hoping he would give up after they tried for a while.

Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YTA comments are as unhinged as the parents... YOU CANNOT treat family memebers as if they are some holy beings. If they are evil people that is it...Gaslighting and lying and manipulation of that degree FOR SO MANY YEARS! even lying to her brother to keep it up... Nah.. Disgusting. Stay away from ppl like that and warn others about them.

Sue User
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who cant have kids, he is NTA. We found out after we were married and several miscarriages. It was the beginning of the end. I dont blame my ex ( he was adopted and it was not good ). OP should respond with " but sis, you said he knew and was fine. I would have never said anything otherwise". All those " but there are ways now" people are missing the point. She lied about something major. If she had told fiance " i might not be able but we can see" would have been different.

Jack Sonol
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's with all the YTA comments that ignore that sister said she talked to her fiance about this already? If she hadn't lied about that then there wasn't anything to reveal, OP was just making casual conversation. People can be so delusional when it comes to sensitive topics about women it's unreal.

Angela C
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sis had 6 years to come clean. Maybe it wasn't OP's "place" but at that point Adam deserved to know

StumblingThroughLife
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Blind loyalty to a family member, who lied for 6 years over something BIG - which would involve destroying another person's life, or making the decision to say something that will probably end the relationship. Maan, I wouldn't have wanted to be in his shoes, but I feel he made the right decision, as, down the line, all hell would break loose. I feel so bad for the fiancé.

Broadredpanda
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not OPs secret to tell, but it's absolutely astounding that she hasn't told him in six years and had no intention of doing so before the wedding. She's done this to herself and people on her side saying "you should have kept your nose out of Their business" what do they think was going to happen when he found out AFTER the wedding??? A messy divorce that's what! She should have gave him the vital information so he could make a decision about what happens next, then discuss the implications and what they can do because she can't have children. But no, she's lied massively and instead of being sorry, she using her anger to blame someone else. Every family member knew that she couldn't have kids, but watched and listened to him adoringly talk about having kids knowing that she couldn't? You're AHs too! This was NEVER going to be anything but messy and heartbreaking for one, but could have been very different had she disclosed the truth early on. NTA OP

Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"It's not OPs secret to tell" Yes it is. Argue to me why it is not. I will not sit idle as i see abuse happening. Would you? Why?

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sweet emotion
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There were only ever two outcomes to this saga : Emma finds herself un-engaged now, or divorced for fraud when the truth finally comes out. Never mind that lying through your teeth to someone you claim to love is immoral and really just icky. Sounds like LW has saved Adam a lot of money in attorney's fees.

DC and S
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh. The whole "not his secret to tell" rational feels so problematic and enabling. It's just an excuse to try to detach ourselves from our complicity in behaviour we know to be unacceptable and bad. Secrets that are deeply harmful to others and will continue to be should never be kept "secret" and SHOULD be called out. We teach this to children FFS. "Yeah, I knew he was peeping in windows at night but it wasn't my secret to tell" "I knew she had a gambling problem and was blowing through their life savings fast, but it wasn't my secret to tell" "I knew she hated his twin daughters and planned to ship them off to boarding school, but it wasn't my secret to tell." "I knew he was having affairs, but it wasn't my secret to tell."

Chris Riccardino
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh no, a liar got caught lying after telling multiple lies to multiple people. If Emma had just been... honest... this wouldn't be an issue.

gilliansl aka Gillian Silverlight
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had to have a hysterectomy at age 25, after having my daughter, or bleed to death. I have always been very upfront about telling men I dated that I could not have children. Many ran away afterwards. Some accepted it and later changed their minds stating they DID want bio children and hurried to have affairs. I think it's only fair to tell someone a hard truth initially rather than later I also feel that if the other person LOVES them, they can and will accept that, and plan for children in alternative manner. I also think that once accepted, they do NOT get to drop the person if they change their minds. That when THEY need to be honest and deal with the situation THEY chose rather than cheat, blame, and bully with guilt.

Ace
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Was really confused by the use of "fiancée" which made me assume that sister was marrying another woman, and therefore could she bear the bio kids instead? OK, so maybe it's just the French speaker in me being pedantic, but if it's a man then he's a fiancé, not a fiancée. Anyway, yes, he deserves to know; he should also, IMO, just accept it, if it's not too late for that after 6 years of it being hidden.

KatSaidWhat
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

6 years is a very long time to omit this huge thing. And to expect everyone else to lie while denying him the life he wants to live is not cool. Sure, the brother might have broached it differently but ultimately he did the right thing, imo.

zovjraar me
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

no, he's looking out for someone he considers a friend and maybe brother. he tried to get his sister to tell her fiance and she didn't. she wouldn't do the right thing, so he did. i don't think he's in the wrong.

Bookworm
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many are focused on this not being OP's secret to share. I rather think it wasn't the sister's secret to keep. She lost that right when she spent 6 years lying to Adam and didn't come clean when he proposed. I hope Adam finds someone who's honest and sister gets the help she needs. I wonder if this is some serious denial mixed with duplicity and magical thinking on the sister's side.

CBolt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love the way you worded that - "it wasn't the sister's secret to keep" from someone she was in a relationship with.

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Aballi
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Easy NTA. She said "we're adopting", and using that info, he asked the fiance how the adoption process was going. She lied--first by omission to her fiance, then lying to her brother--and got found out.

TruthoftheHeart
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a woman with fertility issues I know how important it is to have that conversation, I've had relationships end because they wanted biological children I could not offer. She fully intended to try to keep it a secret and play it off as being unable to conceive until she convinced him to adopt. She should have told him years ago and she lost that chance it was now up to those around them to inform her fiance of the lie.

Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish you the best. Depending on the detail of the issue. There could already medical and scientic options for you. Like surragacy. Even more JUST THIS YEAR IVG has been done in mice... As in creating Eggs or sperm from undifferentiated cells... The scientist in the field predict reproducibility in humans in a few years or possibly decades ... The few years i understand...Simply because humans have a more complex Gametogenesis... The few decades is probably because of the ethics rules...Some of these rules are logical AND NEEDED to stop ppl like that unhinged Chinese doctor who modified the genes of kids invitro!!! Others are remnants of unhinged religious beliefs that somehow shape our laws to this day...

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Hollie Marie
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He shouldn't have got involved because now it comes down to why was nothing said sooner why did he choose that moment to bring it up how long has he known that the fiancée didn't. Like she should have told him 100% but thats on her. She needs to suffer the consequences of her own actions, by telling him yourself you are taking the heat from your sisters decision which means she gets less trouble thrown her way. You should have just kept it between you and the sister and be like why aren't you saying anything what do you think is going to happen ect maybe involve their mum and dad but ultimately don't make that step for her. I understand the poor bloke is being lied too and going through s**t however for the majority the brother didn't know so he's clear and when he did find out his reasoning for not saying would be this he didn't want to be the catalyst and get c**p from his own family over it.

MidnightProphecy
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Really hate how having kids is the be all end all of everything. They're not all that. Knowing you can't 100% and not discussing at the start is wrong but it's also wrong to stick your nose in and go tell them yourself!

Max Fox
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with the "ultimatum" people. He should have told the fiancee, but should have given his sister the opportunity first. As for the "not your business people" What sort of sociopaths are they? What next "yes, you sister is cheating on her fiancée, but you're a AH for telling him"? Or maybe he should also be quiet if his sister is abusing her fiancée? As for "they could still have biological children"? Based on the story, the sister's operation would preclude anything that exists in modern technology. Idjits.

Kevin Swanson
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I believe it’s also grounds for divorce if you marry someone when they can’t have children and they don’t reveal it ahead of time.

Michael Danhauer
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They are both an AH. Anyone who thinks one but not the other is as well has a healthy bias one way or the other.

Schmebulock
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds like a lot of horrible people that also are on the low end of the intelligence spectrum

Kathrin Pukowsky
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Sis, I can tell you're lying. If you think he will leave you over your inability to have children, good riddance. You deserve somebody who loves you as a person, and doesn't see you as just an incubator. If you are afraid he will leave you because you concealed the truth for so long, I'm sorry, but he would have every right to do so. You intend to spend your lives together, but you kept something important from him. You'd be just as mad if he suddenly told you that he has a secret child that he fathered in high school or something like that. You need to come clean to him and apologise. Whatever happens afterwards, our family and I will be there for you."

Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If a woman fell in love me and wanted to have kids while i knew i shoot blanks i would suggest adpotion and or the option of artificial incemination... I would not default getting rid of her from this high horse i am stitting on... The villfying people who value having biological children kind of disgusts me. I personally don't mind not having a genetic link to my children. But there are those who do want that... Who am i to say that they are bad people??? Who are you say that??? What gives you the moral authority?

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Spittnimage
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After OP let the cat out of the bag he figures out it wasn't his place to say anything.

Fembot
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Both sisters are AH’s. One for misleading her husband and the other for meddling. OP could have had a proper intervention with her sister first, motivate her to come clean.

UKGrandad
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

'Both' sisters? There is only one woman in the story. "Man’s Reality Falls Apart As Fiancée’s Brother Asks Him How The Adoption Process Is Going".

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Nikole
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This was not your tale to tell, brother.

Trillian
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes it was. It was not out of the blue. They had been listening to the guy's family planning for ages. If you want to deceive your partner like that make sure I am not around to hear.

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