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Woman’s “Stupid Lawsuit” Empties Couple’s Savings, Husband Can’t Move Past It
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Woman’s “Stupid Lawsuit” Empties Couple’s Savings, Husband Can’t Move Past It

Interview With Expert Woman’s “Stupid Lawsuit” Empties Couple’s Savings, Husband Can’t Move Past ItHusband Can't Believe Wife's Behavior, Is Furious She Got Sued: “Has Never Done Anything This Crazy”: Man Confused After Wife’s Pettiness Landed Her In CourtMan Doesn’t Know How To Move Past Wife’s Lawsuit: “Your Wife Is A Psychopath”“I Need Help”: Man Drains Savings After Wife Is Sued For Trying To Ruin Her Former BFF’s Life“They Had Ample Evidence”: Woman Sues Former Best Friend After She Tries To Ruin Her Life“That’s Divorceable”: Man Bottles Up Anger And Resentment At Wife For Getting SuedHusband Feels Resentment After Spending Life Savings On Getting His Wife Out Of Legal TroubleHusband At A Loss After Finding Out Wife Was Trying To Ruin Her Ex-BFF’s Life
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When you get married, you agree to support your spouse through thick and thin. Every day won’t be easy, but your love and commitment should be enough to get you through tough times. In fact, facing adversity can sometimes bring you even closer together!

But some issues are just too big to overlook, and one man is wondering if his marriage will be able to survive the stress it’s been under. Below, you’ll find a story that was shared on the Relationship Advice subreddit, where a man detailed the nightmare he’s been experiencing since his wife got sued for harassing her former best friend. Keep reading to learn all of the details and to find a conversation with President and Founder of Couples Therapy Inc., Dr. Kathy McMahon.

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But when this man had to drain his savings to get his wife out of legal trouble, he began to wonder if their marriage was salvageable

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Later, the husband shared a detailed update on the situation and responded to some of the most common questions he received

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“If your wife were truly remorseful, you wouldn’t be the one stressing that she needs to work more to make up for what she’s done”

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To gain more insight into this complicated situation, we got in touch with Dr. Kathy McMahon, President and Founder of Couples Therapy Inc., who was kind enough to respond to the husband’s concerns.

“You are resentful because your wife did a very destructive thing and feels no remorse. You focus on your resentment about having to pay money for her destructive actions. Still, I am guessing that you are resentful because she has put you in an untenable situation,” Dr. McMahon told Bored Panda.

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“It is clear that you love your wife, but you no longer trust her. You want her to be the type of person who can accept responsibility for her actions, but she either can’t or won’t. As a result, you are stuck married to a person you can’t trust,” the expert explained. “In fact, you fear her. You believe she is capable of doing this again, even to you, because she hasn’t accepted any true ownership of her actions.”

“Money comes and goes. It is the legal system’s way of punishing people who do bad things. In this case, you are being punished because you are associated with her. Her wrong actions reflect on you,” the therapist continued. “If your wife were truly remorseful of what she did to Laura, herself, and yourself, you wouldn’t be the one stressing that she needs to work more to make up for what she’s done. Or that she needs help. Or that the marriage needs help. That’s your issue, not, unfortunately, hers.”

Dr. McMahon noted that a responsible person would recognize that nothing someone did years ago would warrant what this woman did to Laura. “She would feel genuine remorse. She would feel bad that she put you in that situation and apologize to Laura and to you. It was all senseless and unnecessary, and the only one to blame for it was her,” she explained. “That’s how a responsible person would react to their own inexplicable behavior. But she has an explanation for it. She feels justified in her actions.”

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“Couples therapy is for motivated couples to work on their relationship mutually; but this isn’t a ‘couples’ issue”

“Therefore, you realize that your wife is not a responsible person. She can’t accept responsibility for her actions and the damage she’s done, and she doesn’t want to go to therapy to examine herself more carefully. She wants you to move on,” the therapist says, noting that it’s natural to feel scared and resentful given the situation.

“Scared that someone you thought you knew and loved was capable of that. And capable of repeating that very action. If you feel no remorse, it’s likely because you can’t see what you did was wrong,” Dr. McMahon says.

“And you feel resentful. Resentful that she accepts no responsibility, even though you have repeatedly pushed the issue. She doesn’t feel she did anything wrong and fears someone else (like a therapist) might disagree. Hey, even a court’s ruling hasn’t convinced her. You are unlikely to,” she pointed out.

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Unfortunately, the expert noted that the couple is likely beyond help from therapy at this point. “As a psychologist, I specialize in helping troubled couples. Couples therapy is for motivated couples to work on their relationship mutually. But this isn’t a ‘couples’ issue. It impacts you, pains you, and upsets you, but the problem is a ‘garlic’ problem, not an ‘onion’ problem,” she shared.

“Garlic problems impact other people, while the person who ate it feels great! They wish the people impacted by their behavior would stop whining and deal with it. Onion problems make the person who eats it feel bad inside. They know something is wrong and want to work on it, so they don’t feel so much internal pain,” the therapist explained. “You are the one with an onion problem. You are married to someone with a garlic problem. You don’t trust her because she lacks a conscience. Now, you get to stay married to that person if you accept them on those terms.”

“She may do the same to you if you divorce her; you have to make that possibility acceptable if you decide to go that route”

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“You can realize she may do the same to you if you divorce her. You have to make that possibility acceptable if you decide to go that route,” Dr. McMahon added. “People stay married to drug-addicted people, unfaithful people, or chronically lying people. That is their choice. And it is your choice to stay with a woman you resent and fear who has no conscience. That’s your adult choice.”

The therapist strongly recommends that the husband give up his quest to make his wife’s “garlic” problem into an “onion” problem. “That’s a fool’s errand. Instead, seek out your own psychotherapy because this issue is profoundly upsetting you (as it should),” she noted. “Explain the situation and the dilemma you face to a therapist: ‘How do I make this alright with me when I don’t feel it IS right?’ Then, you could explore the answer until you understand yourself better.”

And while therapy can certainly be expensive in the United States, Dr. McMahon noted that health insurance covers mental health with the price of a co-pay. “Public community mental health centers also care for those with little or no income,” she added. “With some digging, you can find a trained professional you can afford. It’s an effort well worth making for yourself.”

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“And let your inlaws know that you are saving their generous offer to pay for their daughter’s therapy if she ever decides to go. But don’t hold your breath,” she added.

We would love to hear your thoughts on this situation in the comments below, pandas. Feel free to share, and then if you’d like to check out another Bored Panda piece discussing marital issues, look no further than right here.

Readers were shocked by the situation, and many warned the man that his wife is in need of professional help

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Pollywog
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's not sorry for terrorizing those poor people. It's a shame she didn't get jail time. That may have been the only way she actually realized the gravity of her actions. Hopefully she decides to get some counseling. Otherwise with as angry as she is for Laura pressing charges and sueing there's a chance she'll go after her again.

Ms.GB
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She definitely should have done jail time, that's some sick and disturbing behavior.

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TribbleThinking
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is one very jealous woman. The crying shame is that all that focus and energy, directed elsewhere could make her a superfit gym bunny, or master baker, or superfit gym bunny who bakes, or so many other things so that she would have absolutely no need to be jealous.

Sophie
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, but it seems she have some serious mental illness, he explained she imagines that the ex-friend is fraud and doesn't deserv anything and she just wanted to expose. She might be jealous, but this whole story seems like more than that. Also she refuse the therapy, I think because she think she was right and she doesn't need it. I personally knew someone who clearly needed one but always was like "I won't be the guinea pig of the psychologist", and when I ended every contact with them, they started to a**use me via emails telling me I'm the one who has mental issues and needs therapy..After those daily ab*using emails for months until I changed my email address I felt like I really would need some therapy... Sometimes I still feel like because I'm not able to forget and forgive the whole what I went through. It was a year ago, not serious like this but still made pretty big damages. We don't know what is going on their mind.

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dremetrius
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oof, I remember this one. Thought at the time he's an idiot for staying. My opinion has not changed.

Ace
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, she's clearly a psycho. His belief that she had never done anything like that before is naive, or he's just in denial as his following statement suggests "I knew she could be a little petty and jealous of others, especially people she used to be friends with in the past, but t was only talk, no action". Yeah, right.

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Pittsburgh rare
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd fear anyone capable of putting so much time and energy to hurt someone.

Paul Rabit
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This guy didn't really leave anything out, did he? I think I'd have to divorce after something like this - I just don't think I could look at my wife the same way again, given the extent to which she went after this person. Royal ick.

Seanette Blaylock
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd have to bail out ASAP due to fear for my own safety. This woman is dangerously disturbed, to put it politely.

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Nina
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, this one could really use an update. But I guess the OP wouldn't have liked the harsh truths dished out in the comments.

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Isaac Nemo
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Here's a story where my wife is a monster, but don't call her a monster." mmkay

Cee Cee
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yikes. I have to wonder at this husband and his complete lack of a backbone. Get out while you can!

Fembot
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It really shouldn’t be about the money. It’s not ‘his’, it’s theirs: they were building a life together. Aside from that, this woman really really needs a lot of help. Why won’t OP put his foot down in terms of therapy? If she doesn’t want it: fine, get ready to go it alone. It feels like OP wants the sympathy but without seeing the reality of the situation.

Mike F
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Psycho is lots easier to wrap his mind around than just plain mean. Psycho implies treatable, mean is scary because anything could trigger an awful reaction from her in the future. Personally, I'd be scared silly living with someone like that.

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Tenebre
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Holy Jesus. That woman is a monster and her husband isn't much better for standing behind her and infantilizing her. She didn't mean it? She didn't mean to stalk this woman for months on end, terrorizing her and harassing her into depression? Honestly, OP himself doesn't sound like he thinks her doing this is a big deal, it sounds like he's *only* mad over the money... not that she'd do the exact same thing to him if he wronged her. He should get a divorce, but he thinks she did nothing wrong. Scary that people like these two exist in reality. (Though who's reality is still up for debate...) Of all the things to choose to be... why choose to be this?

María Hermida
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is an enabler and an accomplice. He has been finding apologies and excuses for her for years, until he had a reality check. She is a dangerous person. She should have been locked for years.

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tori Ohno
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They're both crazy. Her for being a psychopath, and him for thinking that she's worth redemption.

Lola July
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I won't call your wife a name. I will say that she has displayed no remorse for trying to destroy this woman's life at a very vulnerable time. She made a determined effort to slander her, slander her morals to bring into question her the parentage of her innocent child. This while damaging the trust of her husband. Then you mention she still believes she was on a righteous mission, ZERO REMORSE She literally doubled down. She has done this out of a sense of being self-centered and jealous over everything this ex friend has that she doesn't. You must be a huge disappointment as well. Sorry. She does need help of some sort if she doesn't have a personality type that has no conscience.

Seedy Vine
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why did OP spend all his money defending her? She could've caused her old friend's child to pass away from the stress. He's kept a psycopath out of jail for the rest of us to deal with.

Gen X Feral
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Man this guy has his head in the sand, he's totally "drank the Koolaid". He's married to a psychopath! What if Laura had lost the baby due to all the stress of the nightmare his heinous wife created? He'd be married to a murderer ffs and she probably still wouldn't care. She needs to be in jail.

María Hermida
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your wife is a psychopath. Just run. Get rid of her as fast as you can. First, block all your social media accounts, emails, important documents, because she'll do it again. Whatever amount she paid, it should have been much more. She should have ended up in jail for several years, because she is a seriously dangerous POS. There's nothing worth saving in that marriage.

Ms.GB
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she stalked and harassed a pregnant woman because she was jealous. She sounds like the narcissistic not Laura, ops wife needs serious mental help.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised the court didn't mandate therapy and a psych eval, or that her attorney didn't offer it as a way to mitigate the finding/sentence.

María Hermida
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her attorney probably didn't offer a psych evaluation because she's not mentally ill. Being a psychopath is not a mental illness. Neither is being a narcissist b***h. She knows the difference between right and wrong but she does not care. I'm fed up with people trying to find excuses for s****y behaviour. Why should she get a reduced sentence? She is evil. And her husband is an idiot who's been finding excuses for her for ages.

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Yu Pan
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everytime I see some bad people on the news, I always wonder why their partners/families/friends won't readily denounce them. I'm not going to judge partners/families/friends for what the bad people did, but I am going to judge them if after all is known they still stick with their bad people. I'm going to consider them the same guilt as the bad people. Have some moral, people.

Natasha Clark
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is giving me "Death Becomes Her" vibes to be honest except only one side is trying very hard to ruin someone else's life including their own. I am beyond ecstatic these people do NOT have any children because they're both complete idiots. The psychopath for what she did to her ex-bff almost a decade later of no longer being friends & the husband for not divorcing this maniac out of pure desperation to avoid being alone. OP's wife is the type of person you have to sleep with one eye open at all times if/when around her. She took being jealous & obsessed to a whole new level that not even her own husband never knew anyone could reach. This story is indeed terrifying but could've escalated to something much worse. Her working part time is not helping either since she had plenty of time for all this. That amount of effort should've went towards looking for a new full time job instead. Something of this magnitude she need to be in a psych ward instead of therapy.

Nimitz
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Damn. What do you do when you find out your partner is a criminal? An abusive one at that. Sometimes you're ride-or-die with your partner, but this is some sketchy unrepentant s**t. Refusing therapy is a giant red flag on top of a red flag. Poor guy's learning his world might end up falling apart. I feel bad for him

María Hermida
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His world *might* end up falling apart? His world has already fallen apart, not a second too soon. He obviously lived in an imaginary reality that only existed in his head, and refused to see reality. There nothing to save in that marriage. There never was.

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pebs
Community Member
2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am not making any derogatory comments about this man's wife, but I know that a woman like that is better lost than found and that he has no idea who he married.

Cat Chat
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They both have issues. Hers are clear. His is for thinking their marriage is in trouble because of money. "Don't call her a psychopath" *goes on to explain her psychopathic behavior* One more thing... and this isn't victim blaming and doubtful it would have made a difference... Don't Feed the Troll (or vengeful psychopath stalker, in this case). Police and stalking counselors both recommend with behavior like this is to stop responding. Just save whatever comes for evidence. Doing otherwise can potentially make matters worse, and if you sue or press charges it could be seen as egging the person on (laws and jury decisions all vary, of course).

Grenelda Thurber
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To quote a Monty Python file: "Run away! RUN AWAY!!" She's in her 30's and spent more than a year torturing a woman that offended her in high school? By failing a "friendship test"?? Dude, this woman is batshit crazy. She was crazy in high school and she's even crazier now. And she still doesn't think she did anything wrong? This will not end well for you.

Roan The Demon Kitty
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly the best advice OP could be given is to get a divorce, and get the hell away from this psycho of a woman. She had no remorse for trying to ruin someones life and terrorizing them. She deserves jail time imo. Then again, with someone who can be so bitter and psycho, I'd fear that OP leaving her would spiral into her trying to ruin his life...

Christopher Crockett
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dude never really knew his wife. If he's smart, he will divorce the crazy lady and walk away. Even starting over with nothing is better than wondering what fresh dumpster fire insanity she will pull next. She probably needs a new jacket and time in a padded room.

FM MD
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She thinks she's right because the husband still stands besides her, the day she's alone she will truly understand her actions, and maybe feel remorse...

Ash
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wife has narcissistic personality disorder. Is threatened by any sign that someone else that she dislikes is doing better than her in any way. Goes to insane lengths to hurt said person. Isn't remorseful that she did it, only sad that she got caught. "She's never done anything like this before" -- that you KNOW of. The mask has slipped: this is who she really is. My narcissistic mother also did not want to go to therapy because she felt she would be "attacked" the entire time: this is because narcissists cannot stand ANY criticism whatsoever, and also because they know deep down that they were wrong and that they WILL be criticized, and they can't handle looking at their own shame. OP needs to know that this behavior was not a fluke, and that narcissists are very, very unlikely to change their ways (and even then, they have to really want to, and they have to do a lot of therapy).

catpanda
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's something very strange about this man saying he loves his wife and feels sorry for her, but he's just outed her in a hugely public way. People may not know her name. but they know, in detail, the awful thing he she's done. His question "am I right to be resentful, is disingenuous. He seems to be looking for a wave of permission to leave her. When he does, he should my close track of all his social media, etc.

The_Nicest_Misanthrope
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know OP didn't just want people to slam his wife, but sorry dude, only advice I've got for you is that she's a f*****g psycho, and if you stay with her, you're an idiot.

Rachel Hendricks
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She has shown absolutely no remorse, she refuses to get help from therapy, because she has no remorse for her actions, she probably feels the community service is unfair, because no remorse. There is no help for this woman because she doesn't accept responsibility, she's been petty and jealous before, that is a red flag, but the extent she went to, that actually fits a psychopathic personality Dude needs to get a restraining order and then file for divorce, and the guilty judgment can be used as reason for the restraining order. I hope he stops being her doormat.

Ephemera Image
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dude is a weak man whose only thought seems to be about the money, not the absolutely monstrous things his wife did. Yes, she is a monster. Who knows what else she's done 'for fun'. She is terrifying, and I don't think he's any better. He resents her FOR THE MONEY THEY LOST??? Not for trying to ruin someone's life? They deserve each other.

Steve Hall
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This all sounds like it's going to end up in a psychology textbook in the future.

weatherwitch
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She doesn't need therapy (yet) she needs psycho analysis!! This is one Insane story where she tried to destroy a friends life, marriage, motherhood, friends, work/career and she's not had to acknowledge a scrap of her actions. He needs to divorce her And get restraining ready to go in place. I have never read anything quite so psychotic presented as a bit of a hiccup 😮

blinkaoa187
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The min requirement for him to stay in the marriage should be she agrees to therapy. If she can't get to the point where she feels regret for her actions by a date he decides, he should end it. Even if Laura wa exactly the person his wife thinks she is, her actions were unjustifiable.

White Thunder
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Therapy has a lot of stigma surrounding it, but the truth is, if your therapist is the right fit, it can be life saving. I personally believe that the world would be a better place if 90% of the population got therapy. Also people need to remember that therapists are different than psychiatrists. Therapists helps talk you through your problems, but do not perscribe anything. Psyciatrists do.

Marsha Chace
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your wife is the textbook definition of psychotic. She did things she knew could destroy someone's career, marriage and reputation, and this was someone she was friends with at one time. She started it with "Matt" and telling her she failed the "loyalty test." Then, she goes mental trying to destroy this woman. Deliberately saying things to damage her career, marriage and reputation. She should have been thrown under the jail for these things. She's also very lucky that nothing was wrong with the baby due to the undue stress she caused. Please, please I'm begging you just divorce her and move on with your life. You or anyone you care about could be her next victim. If you divorce her and she can't pay what she owes and goes to jail, that's the best place for her.

Ashley Moore
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He needs to leave now. She is a psychopath who feels no remorse for what she has done. She honestly should have gone to jail for this.

Nonny Mouse
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From a personal standpoint, I think this resentment will eat away at your soul all the time you have contact with the source. You are between a rock ( your wife’s actions) and a hard place (guilt that you are not supporting her) . For your own salvation, you need to leave the situation,, you need to feel that you can support at a distance , with minimal emotional attachment.

Andrew G
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I were you I would start planning to fake my own death.

Celtic Pirate Queen
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are completely delusional, OP. Your wife is ABSOLUTELY a psychopath. She needs intensive mental health treatment. I'm not sure I would stay with my husband if he pulled something so BATSHIT F*CKING CRAZY. Dude, she is beyond sick. Get the f*cking memo.

Mare Freed
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I smell a liar, and the liar is the OP. I don't believe there even is a "wife." This reads like the OP did it himself to an ex-girlfriend of his (Laura) and created this fictionalized version of what he did to get sympathy on Reddit. The admins are no fools, and they didn't lock the post for no reason.

Joanne Hudson
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think she needs to be committed. Unless he wants to keep her and be her guard for the rest of their lives. This went on over a huge amount of time and never once did she seem to see what she was doing and attempt to stop.

Monica G
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The wife did this to a pregnat Laura, and shows no remorse. I think the husband fixation over money is a psychogical defense against the terror of having such a monster of a woman beside him.

CatmanDude
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I sincerely believe that his wife is insane. And he has been an enabler. I'm not trying to be overly nasty here, but he and his wife are DAMNED LUCKY that the people they tormented "ONLY" sued them; I've known of people being "physically dealt with" for a fraction of this kind of behavior. Also: "my wife has never done anything THIS CRAZY before". Please define. This was a FREAKING HIGH BAR. No sympathy for EITHER of them. They got off TOO EASY.

S R Godwin
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YEs, it certainly is justified. I really do not think there is any hope of her changing for the better. I think she will get worse and will end up in jail someday.

Bradlybad40
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shes probably done all the things she accused her friend of doing....thats typically how those type of ppl are.

MR
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His wife is unhinged. This isn't some brief flight of fancy, this was deliberate, intentional harm. This isn't something to get past. This is something to run from.

Gwyn
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He said he believes she genuinely thought she was exposing a bad person? No. All the stuff she made up because she was jealous is NOT that. She needs therapy and she doesn't want to go because she doesn't want to fully admit how wrong she was, and he is just as bad, trying to excuse her actions. He needs therapy so he can open his eyes to the lies he's telling himself. Once he does, I think the realization would help him get things straight in his life. And he should leave her!

maka paka
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like an incels wet dream where he can show just how unhinged women 'are' (they're not). Defnitely didn't happen.

DarkViolet
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It shouldn't be entirely left up to OP'S wife to decide whether or not to get therapy. OP should make it a condition of staying together, and not an option. Otherwise, she'll NEVER get therapy. She will keep recycling those same old excuses, while not showing a speck of remorse for her behavior. She may even try to "even the score" with Laura and escalate the situation by trying to run her down in a crosswalk, kidnapping her child, or torching her home. All the while, it could be OP'S neck on the chopping block. His wife needs to be living elsewhere, at least until her community service ends. In a blink of an eye, she could easily change from psychotic to psychopathic.

Ellen Townsend
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since the original post was from more than 5 years ago, any help getting an update?

russell orem
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

every person at that baby shower needs to get a restraining order against both of them

DC and S
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, run far and fast. But to answer his question: "help me convince her to get therapy" Easy. "Get, and stay in, therapy or we are done.... I will not be married to or even associated with someone who can act like that so you need to work out whatever took you down that path and grow into the person I believe you to be." Honestly though, it's all but certain that he started seeing her true self reflected in her current and past actions, things he probably glossed over, or saw with a different lens before. Especially if she kept refusing therapy and any willingness to admit she is wrong and has remorse. Instead of a bang (immediate divorce), I get the feeling he slowly accepted it over time (it can be hard accept that a person is not at all who we thought they were, we fight it). And he drifted further away, leaving the relationship in a fizzle a few years later. ... And then she stalked and k*lled him. Wish there was an update; I'll keep my eye on the true crime shows.

Binky Melnik
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He mentioned being overweight; I’m worried that he has little self-esteem and feels he can’t find someone else to love him. How else to explain why he’d stay with this wretched woman? She TERRIFIES me, and I don’t even know her! This poor man; he might be scared of losing the one person he believes can love him. I can’t think of a way out for him unless he manages to realize that he IS lovable. This is one of the most horrifying things I’ve ever read. 😰 I feel so bad for him.

María Hermida
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he really thinks such a monster is capable of feeling love, he is totally delusional.

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The Starsong Princess
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The wife has a personality disorder. She needs extensive therapy, possibly in patient. However, people with personality disorders are notoriously resistant to therapy as op is finding out because they think other people are the problem. If op had any sense, he’d run . There will be a next time.

Sathe Wesker
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a person born of the millennial age I can somewhat understand the creeping of the socials, but Jesus Christ, this woman went well beyond that. Her behaviour is very unhinged and refusing therapy because “they will gang up” on her testifies to that and also shows that she KNOWS she is in the wrong. She needs help. Jealousy is an evil thing, much like an addiction, and it consumed her.

Ni Na
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That was 5 years ago, wish he would write another update if something changed.

JuJu
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You bloody f*****g a******s!!! You censor D***S in order to not disturb your advertisers. And then I See ads from the AfD!!!!! Have you lost your f*****g mindestens, BP! That is a Nazi-Party in Germany!!!! And you have their ads, which say "deport, deport, deport" and other racist c**p, on this site?!?! Wtf is wrong with you????

Lori Sandoval
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just FYI, many times browsers will show advertisements based on past browsing habits via cookies. If you're seeing that and others are not (like myself and a few other people who have responded to this post) then perhaps you should check in with whomever else uses this browser on this particular device.

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Annabelle
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it is hard as a non professional to diagnose someone based on this story. If she truly believes what she claimed it might be something different than psychopathy.

Deborah B
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this guy needs to set some very clear requirements to stay in the marriage: 1) his wife gets a full time job and pays back 100% of the costs of the lawsuit, and pays for weekly individual and couples therapy. 2) Wife remains in therapy for a minimum of 2 years. 3) Wife remains in full time work, or puts full time equivalent hours into continued education, volunteer work, or structured hobby, so she has some focus in her life, 4) Both of them join a gym, and go regularly, together. 5) She gets a blanket social media ban. She sounds like she has a personality disorder of some sort, in addition to being a stalker and a petty, jealous, obsessive, lazy person. If he wants to save his marriage, both of them need to put concerted effort into her rehabilitation and recovery. These tendancies of hers are not going to just go away, and she needs to actively engage in managing them.

Pollywog
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's not sorry for terrorizing those poor people. It's a shame she didn't get jail time. That may have been the only way she actually realized the gravity of her actions. Hopefully she decides to get some counseling. Otherwise with as angry as she is for Laura pressing charges and sueing there's a chance she'll go after her again.

Ms.GB
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She definitely should have done jail time, that's some sick and disturbing behavior.

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TribbleThinking
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is one very jealous woman. The crying shame is that all that focus and energy, directed elsewhere could make her a superfit gym bunny, or master baker, or superfit gym bunny who bakes, or so many other things so that she would have absolutely no need to be jealous.

Sophie
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, but it seems she have some serious mental illness, he explained she imagines that the ex-friend is fraud and doesn't deserv anything and she just wanted to expose. She might be jealous, but this whole story seems like more than that. Also she refuse the therapy, I think because she think she was right and she doesn't need it. I personally knew someone who clearly needed one but always was like "I won't be the guinea pig of the psychologist", and when I ended every contact with them, they started to a**use me via emails telling me I'm the one who has mental issues and needs therapy..After those daily ab*using emails for months until I changed my email address I felt like I really would need some therapy... Sometimes I still feel like because I'm not able to forget and forgive the whole what I went through. It was a year ago, not serious like this but still made pretty big damages. We don't know what is going on their mind.

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dremetrius
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oof, I remember this one. Thought at the time he's an idiot for staying. My opinion has not changed.

Ace
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, she's clearly a psycho. His belief that she had never done anything like that before is naive, or he's just in denial as his following statement suggests "I knew she could be a little petty and jealous of others, especially people she used to be friends with in the past, but t was only talk, no action". Yeah, right.

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Pittsburgh rare
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd fear anyone capable of putting so much time and energy to hurt someone.

Paul Rabit
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This guy didn't really leave anything out, did he? I think I'd have to divorce after something like this - I just don't think I could look at my wife the same way again, given the extent to which she went after this person. Royal ick.

Seanette Blaylock
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd have to bail out ASAP due to fear for my own safety. This woman is dangerously disturbed, to put it politely.

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Nina
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, this one could really use an update. But I guess the OP wouldn't have liked the harsh truths dished out in the comments.

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Isaac Nemo
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Here's a story where my wife is a monster, but don't call her a monster." mmkay

Cee Cee
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yikes. I have to wonder at this husband and his complete lack of a backbone. Get out while you can!

Fembot
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It really shouldn’t be about the money. It’s not ‘his’, it’s theirs: they were building a life together. Aside from that, this woman really really needs a lot of help. Why won’t OP put his foot down in terms of therapy? If she doesn’t want it: fine, get ready to go it alone. It feels like OP wants the sympathy but without seeing the reality of the situation.

Mike F
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Psycho is lots easier to wrap his mind around than just plain mean. Psycho implies treatable, mean is scary because anything could trigger an awful reaction from her in the future. Personally, I'd be scared silly living with someone like that.

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Tenebre
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Holy Jesus. That woman is a monster and her husband isn't much better for standing behind her and infantilizing her. She didn't mean it? She didn't mean to stalk this woman for months on end, terrorizing her and harassing her into depression? Honestly, OP himself doesn't sound like he thinks her doing this is a big deal, it sounds like he's *only* mad over the money... not that she'd do the exact same thing to him if he wronged her. He should get a divorce, but he thinks she did nothing wrong. Scary that people like these two exist in reality. (Though who's reality is still up for debate...) Of all the things to choose to be... why choose to be this?

María Hermida
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is an enabler and an accomplice. He has been finding apologies and excuses for her for years, until he had a reality check. She is a dangerous person. She should have been locked for years.

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tori Ohno
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They're both crazy. Her for being a psychopath, and him for thinking that she's worth redemption.

Lola July
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I won't call your wife a name. I will say that she has displayed no remorse for trying to destroy this woman's life at a very vulnerable time. She made a determined effort to slander her, slander her morals to bring into question her the parentage of her innocent child. This while damaging the trust of her husband. Then you mention she still believes she was on a righteous mission, ZERO REMORSE She literally doubled down. She has done this out of a sense of being self-centered and jealous over everything this ex friend has that she doesn't. You must be a huge disappointment as well. Sorry. She does need help of some sort if she doesn't have a personality type that has no conscience.

Seedy Vine
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why did OP spend all his money defending her? She could've caused her old friend's child to pass away from the stress. He's kept a psycopath out of jail for the rest of us to deal with.

Gen X Feral
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Man this guy has his head in the sand, he's totally "drank the Koolaid". He's married to a psychopath! What if Laura had lost the baby due to all the stress of the nightmare his heinous wife created? He'd be married to a murderer ffs and she probably still wouldn't care. She needs to be in jail.

María Hermida
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your wife is a psychopath. Just run. Get rid of her as fast as you can. First, block all your social media accounts, emails, important documents, because she'll do it again. Whatever amount she paid, it should have been much more. She should have ended up in jail for several years, because she is a seriously dangerous POS. There's nothing worth saving in that marriage.

Ms.GB
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she stalked and harassed a pregnant woman because she was jealous. She sounds like the narcissistic not Laura, ops wife needs serious mental help.

FreeTheUnicorn
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm surprised the court didn't mandate therapy and a psych eval, or that her attorney didn't offer it as a way to mitigate the finding/sentence.

María Hermida
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her attorney probably didn't offer a psych evaluation because she's not mentally ill. Being a psychopath is not a mental illness. Neither is being a narcissist b***h. She knows the difference between right and wrong but she does not care. I'm fed up with people trying to find excuses for s****y behaviour. Why should she get a reduced sentence? She is evil. And her husband is an idiot who's been finding excuses for her for ages.

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Yu Pan
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everytime I see some bad people on the news, I always wonder why their partners/families/friends won't readily denounce them. I'm not going to judge partners/families/friends for what the bad people did, but I am going to judge them if after all is known they still stick with their bad people. I'm going to consider them the same guilt as the bad people. Have some moral, people.

Natasha Clark
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is giving me "Death Becomes Her" vibes to be honest except only one side is trying very hard to ruin someone else's life including their own. I am beyond ecstatic these people do NOT have any children because they're both complete idiots. The psychopath for what she did to her ex-bff almost a decade later of no longer being friends & the husband for not divorcing this maniac out of pure desperation to avoid being alone. OP's wife is the type of person you have to sleep with one eye open at all times if/when around her. She took being jealous & obsessed to a whole new level that not even her own husband never knew anyone could reach. This story is indeed terrifying but could've escalated to something much worse. Her working part time is not helping either since she had plenty of time for all this. That amount of effort should've went towards looking for a new full time job instead. Something of this magnitude she need to be in a psych ward instead of therapy.

Nimitz
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Damn. What do you do when you find out your partner is a criminal? An abusive one at that. Sometimes you're ride-or-die with your partner, but this is some sketchy unrepentant s**t. Refusing therapy is a giant red flag on top of a red flag. Poor guy's learning his world might end up falling apart. I feel bad for him

María Hermida
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His world *might* end up falling apart? His world has already fallen apart, not a second too soon. He obviously lived in an imaginary reality that only existed in his head, and refused to see reality. There nothing to save in that marriage. There never was.

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pebs
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2 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am not making any derogatory comments about this man's wife, but I know that a woman like that is better lost than found and that he has no idea who he married.

Cat Chat
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They both have issues. Hers are clear. His is for thinking their marriage is in trouble because of money. "Don't call her a psychopath" *goes on to explain her psychopathic behavior* One more thing... and this isn't victim blaming and doubtful it would have made a difference... Don't Feed the Troll (or vengeful psychopath stalker, in this case). Police and stalking counselors both recommend with behavior like this is to stop responding. Just save whatever comes for evidence. Doing otherwise can potentially make matters worse, and if you sue or press charges it could be seen as egging the person on (laws and jury decisions all vary, of course).

Grenelda Thurber
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To quote a Monty Python file: "Run away! RUN AWAY!!" She's in her 30's and spent more than a year torturing a woman that offended her in high school? By failing a "friendship test"?? Dude, this woman is batshit crazy. She was crazy in high school and she's even crazier now. And she still doesn't think she did anything wrong? This will not end well for you.

Roan The Demon Kitty
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly the best advice OP could be given is to get a divorce, and get the hell away from this psycho of a woman. She had no remorse for trying to ruin someones life and terrorizing them. She deserves jail time imo. Then again, with someone who can be so bitter and psycho, I'd fear that OP leaving her would spiral into her trying to ruin his life...

Christopher Crockett
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dude never really knew his wife. If he's smart, he will divorce the crazy lady and walk away. Even starting over with nothing is better than wondering what fresh dumpster fire insanity she will pull next. She probably needs a new jacket and time in a padded room.

FM MD
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She thinks she's right because the husband still stands besides her, the day she's alone she will truly understand her actions, and maybe feel remorse...

Ash
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wife has narcissistic personality disorder. Is threatened by any sign that someone else that she dislikes is doing better than her in any way. Goes to insane lengths to hurt said person. Isn't remorseful that she did it, only sad that she got caught. "She's never done anything like this before" -- that you KNOW of. The mask has slipped: this is who she really is. My narcissistic mother also did not want to go to therapy because she felt she would be "attacked" the entire time: this is because narcissists cannot stand ANY criticism whatsoever, and also because they know deep down that they were wrong and that they WILL be criticized, and they can't handle looking at their own shame. OP needs to know that this behavior was not a fluke, and that narcissists are very, very unlikely to change their ways (and even then, they have to really want to, and they have to do a lot of therapy).

catpanda
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's something very strange about this man saying he loves his wife and feels sorry for her, but he's just outed her in a hugely public way. People may not know her name. but they know, in detail, the awful thing he she's done. His question "am I right to be resentful, is disingenuous. He seems to be looking for a wave of permission to leave her. When he does, he should my close track of all his social media, etc.

The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know OP didn't just want people to slam his wife, but sorry dude, only advice I've got for you is that she's a f*****g psycho, and if you stay with her, you're an idiot.

Rachel Hendricks
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She has shown absolutely no remorse, she refuses to get help from therapy, because she has no remorse for her actions, she probably feels the community service is unfair, because no remorse. There is no help for this woman because she doesn't accept responsibility, she's been petty and jealous before, that is a red flag, but the extent she went to, that actually fits a psychopathic personality Dude needs to get a restraining order and then file for divorce, and the guilty judgment can be used as reason for the restraining order. I hope he stops being her doormat.

Ephemera Image
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dude is a weak man whose only thought seems to be about the money, not the absolutely monstrous things his wife did. Yes, she is a monster. Who knows what else she's done 'for fun'. She is terrifying, and I don't think he's any better. He resents her FOR THE MONEY THEY LOST??? Not for trying to ruin someone's life? They deserve each other.

Steve Hall
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This all sounds like it's going to end up in a psychology textbook in the future.

weatherwitch
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She doesn't need therapy (yet) she needs psycho analysis!! This is one Insane story where she tried to destroy a friends life, marriage, motherhood, friends, work/career and she's not had to acknowledge a scrap of her actions. He needs to divorce her And get restraining ready to go in place. I have never read anything quite so psychotic presented as a bit of a hiccup 😮

blinkaoa187
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The min requirement for him to stay in the marriage should be she agrees to therapy. If she can't get to the point where she feels regret for her actions by a date he decides, he should end it. Even if Laura wa exactly the person his wife thinks she is, her actions were unjustifiable.

White Thunder
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Therapy has a lot of stigma surrounding it, but the truth is, if your therapist is the right fit, it can be life saving. I personally believe that the world would be a better place if 90% of the population got therapy. Also people need to remember that therapists are different than psychiatrists. Therapists helps talk you through your problems, but do not perscribe anything. Psyciatrists do.

Marsha Chace
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your wife is the textbook definition of psychotic. She did things she knew could destroy someone's career, marriage and reputation, and this was someone she was friends with at one time. She started it with "Matt" and telling her she failed the "loyalty test." Then, she goes mental trying to destroy this woman. Deliberately saying things to damage her career, marriage and reputation. She should have been thrown under the jail for these things. She's also very lucky that nothing was wrong with the baby due to the undue stress she caused. Please, please I'm begging you just divorce her and move on with your life. You or anyone you care about could be her next victim. If you divorce her and she can't pay what she owes and goes to jail, that's the best place for her.

Ashley Moore
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He needs to leave now. She is a psychopath who feels no remorse for what she has done. She honestly should have gone to jail for this.

Nonny Mouse
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From a personal standpoint, I think this resentment will eat away at your soul all the time you have contact with the source. You are between a rock ( your wife’s actions) and a hard place (guilt that you are not supporting her) . For your own salvation, you need to leave the situation,, you need to feel that you can support at a distance , with minimal emotional attachment.

Andrew G
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If I were you I would start planning to fake my own death.

Celtic Pirate Queen
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are completely delusional, OP. Your wife is ABSOLUTELY a psychopath. She needs intensive mental health treatment. I'm not sure I would stay with my husband if he pulled something so BATSHIT F*CKING CRAZY. Dude, she is beyond sick. Get the f*cking memo.

Mare Freed
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I smell a liar, and the liar is the OP. I don't believe there even is a "wife." This reads like the OP did it himself to an ex-girlfriend of his (Laura) and created this fictionalized version of what he did to get sympathy on Reddit. The admins are no fools, and they didn't lock the post for no reason.

Joanne Hudson
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think she needs to be committed. Unless he wants to keep her and be her guard for the rest of their lives. This went on over a huge amount of time and never once did she seem to see what she was doing and attempt to stop.

Monica G
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The wife did this to a pregnat Laura, and shows no remorse. I think the husband fixation over money is a psychogical defense against the terror of having such a monster of a woman beside him.

CatmanDude
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I sincerely believe that his wife is insane. And he has been an enabler. I'm not trying to be overly nasty here, but he and his wife are DAMNED LUCKY that the people they tormented "ONLY" sued them; I've known of people being "physically dealt with" for a fraction of this kind of behavior. Also: "my wife has never done anything THIS CRAZY before". Please define. This was a FREAKING HIGH BAR. No sympathy for EITHER of them. They got off TOO EASY.

S R Godwin
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YEs, it certainly is justified. I really do not think there is any hope of her changing for the better. I think she will get worse and will end up in jail someday.

Bradlybad40
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shes probably done all the things she accused her friend of doing....thats typically how those type of ppl are.

MR
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His wife is unhinged. This isn't some brief flight of fancy, this was deliberate, intentional harm. This isn't something to get past. This is something to run from.

Gwyn
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He said he believes she genuinely thought she was exposing a bad person? No. All the stuff she made up because she was jealous is NOT that. She needs therapy and she doesn't want to go because she doesn't want to fully admit how wrong she was, and he is just as bad, trying to excuse her actions. He needs therapy so he can open his eyes to the lies he's telling himself. Once he does, I think the realization would help him get things straight in his life. And he should leave her!

maka paka
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like an incels wet dream where he can show just how unhinged women 'are' (they're not). Defnitely didn't happen.

DarkViolet
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It shouldn't be entirely left up to OP'S wife to decide whether or not to get therapy. OP should make it a condition of staying together, and not an option. Otherwise, she'll NEVER get therapy. She will keep recycling those same old excuses, while not showing a speck of remorse for her behavior. She may even try to "even the score" with Laura and escalate the situation by trying to run her down in a crosswalk, kidnapping her child, or torching her home. All the while, it could be OP'S neck on the chopping block. His wife needs to be living elsewhere, at least until her community service ends. In a blink of an eye, she could easily change from psychotic to psychopathic.

Ellen Townsend
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since the original post was from more than 5 years ago, any help getting an update?

russell orem
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

every person at that baby shower needs to get a restraining order against both of them

DC and S
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, run far and fast. But to answer his question: "help me convince her to get therapy" Easy. "Get, and stay in, therapy or we are done.... I will not be married to or even associated with someone who can act like that so you need to work out whatever took you down that path and grow into the person I believe you to be." Honestly though, it's all but certain that he started seeing her true self reflected in her current and past actions, things he probably glossed over, or saw with a different lens before. Especially if she kept refusing therapy and any willingness to admit she is wrong and has remorse. Instead of a bang (immediate divorce), I get the feeling he slowly accepted it over time (it can be hard accept that a person is not at all who we thought they were, we fight it). And he drifted further away, leaving the relationship in a fizzle a few years later. ... And then she stalked and k*lled him. Wish there was an update; I'll keep my eye on the true crime shows.

Binky Melnik
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He mentioned being overweight; I’m worried that he has little self-esteem and feels he can’t find someone else to love him. How else to explain why he’d stay with this wretched woman? She TERRIFIES me, and I don’t even know her! This poor man; he might be scared of losing the one person he believes can love him. I can’t think of a way out for him unless he manages to realize that he IS lovable. This is one of the most horrifying things I’ve ever read. 😰 I feel so bad for him.

María Hermida
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If he really thinks such a monster is capable of feeling love, he is totally delusional.

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The Starsong Princess
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The wife has a personality disorder. She needs extensive therapy, possibly in patient. However, people with personality disorders are notoriously resistant to therapy as op is finding out because they think other people are the problem. If op had any sense, he’d run . There will be a next time.

Sathe Wesker
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a person born of the millennial age I can somewhat understand the creeping of the socials, but Jesus Christ, this woman went well beyond that. Her behaviour is very unhinged and refusing therapy because “they will gang up” on her testifies to that and also shows that she KNOWS she is in the wrong. She needs help. Jealousy is an evil thing, much like an addiction, and it consumed her.

Ni Na
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That was 5 years ago, wish he would write another update if something changed.

JuJu
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You bloody f*****g a******s!!! You censor D***S in order to not disturb your advertisers. And then I See ads from the AfD!!!!! Have you lost your f*****g mindestens, BP! That is a Nazi-Party in Germany!!!! And you have their ads, which say "deport, deport, deport" and other racist c**p, on this site?!?! Wtf is wrong with you????

Lori Sandoval
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just FYI, many times browsers will show advertisements based on past browsing habits via cookies. If you're seeing that and others are not (like myself and a few other people who have responded to this post) then perhaps you should check in with whomever else uses this browser on this particular device.

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Annabelle
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it is hard as a non professional to diagnose someone based on this story. If she truly believes what she claimed it might be something different than psychopathy.

Deborah B
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this guy needs to set some very clear requirements to stay in the marriage: 1) his wife gets a full time job and pays back 100% of the costs of the lawsuit, and pays for weekly individual and couples therapy. 2) Wife remains in therapy for a minimum of 2 years. 3) Wife remains in full time work, or puts full time equivalent hours into continued education, volunteer work, or structured hobby, so she has some focus in her life, 4) Both of them join a gym, and go regularly, together. 5) She gets a blanket social media ban. She sounds like she has a personality disorder of some sort, in addition to being a stalker and a petty, jealous, obsessive, lazy person. If he wants to save his marriage, both of them need to put concerted effort into her rehabilitation and recovery. These tendancies of hers are not going to just go away, and she needs to actively engage in managing them.

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