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MIL Manipulates Daughter To Get What She Wants, Throws A Tantrum When Her Husband Intervenes
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MIL Manipulates Daughter To Get What She Wants, Throws A Tantrum When Her Husband Intervenes

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There’s nothing like going on a romantic getaway with your partner. It’s so special to get to relax and unwind by the beach or sleep in until noon without feeling guilty or worrying about who needs you at work. But part of what makes going on vacation with your partner so special is having uninterrupted one-on-one time to bond. 

One woman who doesn’t seem to understand why it’s so important for couples to take trips together decided that she would try to weasel her way into her daughter’s vacation, but her son-in-law immediately shut her down. Below, you’ll find the full story that he shared on Reddit detailing why she won’t be welcome on their vacation, as well as a conversation with President and Founder of Couples Therapy Inc., Dr. Kathy McMahon.

Mothers and daughters often share a close bond that will never be broken

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But when this man’s mother-in-law tried to insert herself into the vacation he planned with his wife, he immediately shut her down

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Both husbands and wives often find themselves in conflict with their in-laws

We all love going on vacation. Whether it’s to see amazing nature that you can’t find back home, try exotic foods or simply get a break from work, everyone deserves to take a trip every now and then. And according to Marriage.com, couples who travel together stay together. 

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But this story is about much more than simply taking a vacation. So to gain more insight into this situation, we got in touch with Clinical Psychologist and President and Founder of Couples Therapy Inc., Dr. Kathy McMahon.

Dr. McMahon was kind enough to share her thoughts on this situation and make it clear that we invite people on vacation with us. They don’t invite themselves.

And while it may be more common to hear about women having issues with their in-laws, the therapist says both husbands and wives have manipulative parents. “The issue is whether the couple are able to keep a united front on how to handle the manipulation when faced with it,” she noted.

“The issues are often the same for both spouses: A parent of an adult child is trying to directly or indirectly manipulate the child’s behavior to correspond to how the parent would like them to behave, and the spouse is supposed to just cooperate,” Dr. McMahon explained.

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“Manipulative parents threaten WWIII the way a schoolyard bully threatens a beating if you don’t hand over your lunch money”

“If you look back on the parent-child relationship, we often see that the now adult was often manipulated this way when they were dependent upon their parent(s). Now that they are married, the spouse is seen as a barrier to that manipulation, and this barrier needs to be overcome for that abusive behavior to continue,” the therapist shared. “Manipulative parents threaten WWIII the way a schoolyard bully threatens a beating if you don’t hand over your lunch money.”

But, unlike a physical threat, Dr. McMahon says an emotional threat is only as good as the vulnerability of the person hearing it. “In this case, the wife seems to have tried to set her limits by insisting that she discuss her Mother coming with her husband on the trip after she hung up,” she explained. “This is a smart move. It would allow the family unit (husband and wife) to make a decision together.”

“The wife’s downfall was in not holding that limit, and mentioning the request before she got off the phone,” the expert says. “Nevertheless, the outrageousness of the ask prompted the very understandable ‘Hell, no!’ from the husband.”

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Dr. McMahon says that any fallout from this phone call should be handled by the wife. “After all, she allowed her mother to penetrate the boundary the wife herself had attempted to set up,” she noted. “Now her job is to take on the heat herself: ‘No, Mom, neither of us are inviting you with us on this trip. I said I would ask, but I wasn’t excited about it either. I hear you are disappointed. However, it’s our trip and our decision.'”

The therapist says that, while this is probably not the case in this story, some children with dominating parents do allow their spouses to be used as ‘whipping boys’ to save themselves from the mental anguish of dealing with their parents directly. “This is seldom a smart move,” she noted.

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“It is a task of adult development to establish appropriate boundaries with our parents”

“A good rule of thumb is that each spouse handles their own family-of-origin, and runs interference if necessary,” Dr. McMahon suggests. “Then, if you have an issue with how your spouse treats your family members, you have that conversation in private with them.”

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“Never allow what therapists call ‘triangulation,'” the expert warns. “In this case, it might be her mother insisting, ‘You would let me go, it is only BILL who doesn’t want me there.’ Don’t let this stand. Answer: ‘No, Mom, both of us made that decision.'”

“His wife would also benefit from seeing a therapist to work through the strain she feels in dealing with her mother,” Dr. McMahon says. “It is a task of adult development to establish appropriate boundaries with our parents, and the contributor states that this is a strain on his wife.”

“Any person would resent a mother-in-law who leaves his wife ‘feeling like garbage’ for an hour after a phone call. But he really shouldn’t be put in the roll of the ‘clean-up committee.’ That’s a therapist’s job,” the psychologist noted. “Let them do it, and his wife learn the necessary skills of dealing with difficult people.”

We would love to hear your thoughts on this situation below, pandas. Feel free to weigh in, and then check out this Bored Panda article discussing similar family drama.

Many readers assured the man that he had done nothing wrong, and he joined in on the conversation to provide more details

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How do you feel about the husband's immediate rejection of MIL's request to join the Hawaii trip?
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Angie May
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to believe these people are trolling, some of these YTA accusations are crazy!

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TribbleThinking
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your MIL will always be overreaching boundaries. Your wife wants to keep in touch with her. Fine. Just resign yourselves to her feeling yukky for an hour after each call, and that's the price of contact. The exact details will vary, but don't worry about thinking it through - she's a discontented complainer, simple. For instance, even if you paid for everything and took her to Hawaii, it's a given that she'll remain unhappy. Interestingly, everything going nuclear is good - someone's finally stood up to her, and she KNOWS she's got to stop the mutiny NOW or her reign of terror is at risk!😄

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you set boundaries and they aren't followed, things only change with a fight or by going NC. This confrontation was always going to happen.

notlikeyou1971
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA Sorry but MIL needs to get a life and make her own friends and not invite herself on a couples vacation and be an intrusive unwanted guest looking for a free ride. Your wife needs to grow a backbone and stand up to her manipulative, domineering mother. She also needs to respect your wishes and not bow down to her mom. She needs to set boundaries too and lessen contact with mom even further. NO is a 1 word answer. Everyone should accept it for an answer without tantrums. Especially grown adults. You shouldn't be in the doghouse. If your wife wants mom to go with her to Hawaii, tell wife to pay with her own money and have mom pay her own expenses and you'll go somewhere else on a separate vacation. That's why people like me have MRS ONLY accounts and MRS ONLY credit cards. When I was married, I learned really quick that joining money with my ex was a mistake because he became irresponsible. So that ended really fast. Well anyway... you are 100% in the right here. Your MIL is not entitled to join your vacation and you're not obligated to take her because she's " retired and lonely " or if she pulls out the " but family " guilt trip card nonsense. She should accept and respect boundaries. Wife better toughen up and you definitely better set boundaries with her about her mother. Just because she let's her mother treat her like a doormat doesn't mean that everyone is going to put up with that behavior. I'd tell her straight to her face. Then again I am NC with 90% of my relatives. Cut them off because I won't allow people to treat me badly

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. It can be difficult saying NO to a parent, depending on how it was as you were growing up (It took me a while to start saying no, tbh), but I hope his wife can get to that point. A: Destroy your marriage due to other-family manipulation, or B: Learn to say no. Hopefully, his wife wants choice B. This was 4 years ago. Looking at his Reddit stuff, this MiL manipulation shizz is still a thing, so the wife hasn't managed option B, by the look of it, and he's half-defending the MiL's behaviour. The good (?) thing is the OP & his wife are still together. (ps: My doorbell rang mid-edit - I realised I'd got the choice thing in the wrong order, sorry: fixed)

Campy
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Funny how it always seems to be the mother/mother in law causing trouble and acting like a spoiled child.

UncleJohn3000
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Words I've actually spoken - "Mom, you are in timeout for six months. Behave and maybe we'll talk at Christmas." She didn't, so it became a year. When she complained, "I learned about timeouts from you." Things were better when communications eventually reopened, after that year.

Steve Robert
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just tell her "Mom, we are working on making you a grandma. Obviously you don't want to interfere with that.". Maybe that will make her happy and understand!

Voice of reason?
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not gonna lie, as a single woman who's close to my son, I would love to be asked to join on some vacations. Never ever in a million years would I ask though and I very much understand that a couple's vacation is exactly that. A third wheel is not needed or wanted and I am in no way offended by that.

Scott Rackley
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Simple. Tell the wife that either MIL can go or he can go, not both.

Tonyah Mcanelly
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would still stand firm on this and say no. My Ex MIL did something similar. We offered to plan a Family vacation to include her my FIL thought it was a good idea to do that , but she wasn't having it so we just said forget it we wont plan a family vacation . but she is still not coming. when we moved out of her house because we lived there for about 6 months she was upset about that because we were paying more than half the mortgage and we had a curfew and a chore chart . she was mad we moved because she was loosing income and an unpaid maid . Fast forward 20 years later she is still trying to manipulate my ex so much it has hurt her relationship with her grand kids . To the point where they don't even know their great grand kids. I think parents should let their kids be adults and not feel the need to tag along.

Stacy Bender
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should have said, "I'm not interested in a three-way on our romantic trip to Hawaii." And watch the sparkles. There's no way not to upset crazy people like this.

Libstak
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You could have yelled "how are we gonna have all that wild monkey sex we planned to have spontaneously whenever and wherever we wanted with your mother there?" I'm pretty sure that would have shut her up

R Dennis
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I told my wife she is free to use me as a "No!" for anything she wants. Idgaf, I will be nice until it's time not to be.

Hoodoo
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's wife needs a crash course in boundary setting. When you take care of YOU, you may not " look good " to certain people. Accepting this won't kill you & they'll get over it. I've totally been there. Hitting "end call" & "decline call" on my mum did wonders for my own codependency problems. Try it, you'll like it. NTA

Michelle Randazzo
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mil needs to learn manners and boundaries! Hawaii is beautiful! And it won't be with that shrew!

Hope Tirendi
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For the wife...please get a spine and grow up! It's time you got your lips off her butt and set her straight! If she can't act right i would block her number for a week. If she still won't back off she would get blocked permanently. Then she can go live her retirement on her own. I hate parents like this one but I think I dislike the door mats just as much.

KatSaidWhat
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA for answering out loud. Lol. New one on me. MIL lucky he didn't respond the way I would have - f**k right off.

Broadredpanda
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If this MIL is retired and has nothing to do, then she's going to try and implant herself into your lives even more. Your wife seems really sweet and MIL knows this. She's going to have to be more assertive to her overbearing mother! I'll never understand a mother/mil that is just so difficult with their children and/or their partners? Why would any mother who is critical, manipulative and downright selfish not know how they're come across to their older children when they start living their lives on their own terms! Some of these (including this mother) are narcissistic and some are sociopaths too. If their behaviour doesn't change, they will end up being very lonely in their twilight years! Why? It's not hard to fit into your adult children's life. You can spend that time being a not very nice person or realise that I'll get so many more better outcomes and have that feeling of being in the bosom of your family and the feeling of happiness that comes with that is amazing!

Tonyah Mcanelly
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I still wouldn't budge that is a couples getaway. However maybe they can see if they can plan a family vacation to include her. IF that option doesn't work then the MIL needs to make a serious paradeighm shift. My ex MIL was very manipulative even my ex has nothing to do with her nor my adult children.

Angie May
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have to believe these people are trolling, some of these YTA accusations are crazy!

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TribbleThinking
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your MIL will always be overreaching boundaries. Your wife wants to keep in touch with her. Fine. Just resign yourselves to her feeling yukky for an hour after each call, and that's the price of contact. The exact details will vary, but don't worry about thinking it through - she's a discontented complainer, simple. For instance, even if you paid for everything and took her to Hawaii, it's a given that she'll remain unhappy. Interestingly, everything going nuclear is good - someone's finally stood up to her, and she KNOWS she's got to stop the mutiny NOW or her reign of terror is at risk!😄

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you set boundaries and they aren't followed, things only change with a fight or by going NC. This confrontation was always going to happen.

notlikeyou1971
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA Sorry but MIL needs to get a life and make her own friends and not invite herself on a couples vacation and be an intrusive unwanted guest looking for a free ride. Your wife needs to grow a backbone and stand up to her manipulative, domineering mother. She also needs to respect your wishes and not bow down to her mom. She needs to set boundaries too and lessen contact with mom even further. NO is a 1 word answer. Everyone should accept it for an answer without tantrums. Especially grown adults. You shouldn't be in the doghouse. If your wife wants mom to go with her to Hawaii, tell wife to pay with her own money and have mom pay her own expenses and you'll go somewhere else on a separate vacation. That's why people like me have MRS ONLY accounts and MRS ONLY credit cards. When I was married, I learned really quick that joining money with my ex was a mistake because he became irresponsible. So that ended really fast. Well anyway... you are 100% in the right here. Your MIL is not entitled to join your vacation and you're not obligated to take her because she's " retired and lonely " or if she pulls out the " but family " guilt trip card nonsense. She should accept and respect boundaries. Wife better toughen up and you definitely better set boundaries with her about her mother. Just because she let's her mother treat her like a doormat doesn't mean that everyone is going to put up with that behavior. I'd tell her straight to her face. Then again I am NC with 90% of my relatives. Cut them off because I won't allow people to treat me badly

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. It can be difficult saying NO to a parent, depending on how it was as you were growing up (It took me a while to start saying no, tbh), but I hope his wife can get to that point. A: Destroy your marriage due to other-family manipulation, or B: Learn to say no. Hopefully, his wife wants choice B. This was 4 years ago. Looking at his Reddit stuff, this MiL manipulation shizz is still a thing, so the wife hasn't managed option B, by the look of it, and he's half-defending the MiL's behaviour. The good (?) thing is the OP & his wife are still together. (ps: My doorbell rang mid-edit - I realised I'd got the choice thing in the wrong order, sorry: fixed)

Campy
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Funny how it always seems to be the mother/mother in law causing trouble and acting like a spoiled child.

UncleJohn3000
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Words I've actually spoken - "Mom, you are in timeout for six months. Behave and maybe we'll talk at Christmas." She didn't, so it became a year. When she complained, "I learned about timeouts from you." Things were better when communications eventually reopened, after that year.

Steve Robert
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just tell her "Mom, we are working on making you a grandma. Obviously you don't want to interfere with that.". Maybe that will make her happy and understand!

Voice of reason?
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not gonna lie, as a single woman who's close to my son, I would love to be asked to join on some vacations. Never ever in a million years would I ask though and I very much understand that a couple's vacation is exactly that. A third wheel is not needed or wanted and I am in no way offended by that.

Scott Rackley
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Simple. Tell the wife that either MIL can go or he can go, not both.

Tonyah Mcanelly
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would still stand firm on this and say no. My Ex MIL did something similar. We offered to plan a Family vacation to include her my FIL thought it was a good idea to do that , but she wasn't having it so we just said forget it we wont plan a family vacation . but she is still not coming. when we moved out of her house because we lived there for about 6 months she was upset about that because we were paying more than half the mortgage and we had a curfew and a chore chart . she was mad we moved because she was loosing income and an unpaid maid . Fast forward 20 years later she is still trying to manipulate my ex so much it has hurt her relationship with her grand kids . To the point where they don't even know their great grand kids. I think parents should let their kids be adults and not feel the need to tag along.

Stacy Bender
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should have said, "I'm not interested in a three-way on our romantic trip to Hawaii." And watch the sparkles. There's no way not to upset crazy people like this.

Libstak
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You could have yelled "how are we gonna have all that wild monkey sex we planned to have spontaneously whenever and wherever we wanted with your mother there?" I'm pretty sure that would have shut her up

R Dennis
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I told my wife she is free to use me as a "No!" for anything she wants. Idgaf, I will be nice until it's time not to be.

Hoodoo
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP's wife needs a crash course in boundary setting. When you take care of YOU, you may not " look good " to certain people. Accepting this won't kill you & they'll get over it. I've totally been there. Hitting "end call" & "decline call" on my mum did wonders for my own codependency problems. Try it, you'll like it. NTA

Michelle Randazzo
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mil needs to learn manners and boundaries! Hawaii is beautiful! And it won't be with that shrew!

Hope Tirendi
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For the wife...please get a spine and grow up! It's time you got your lips off her butt and set her straight! If she can't act right i would block her number for a week. If she still won't back off she would get blocked permanently. Then she can go live her retirement on her own. I hate parents like this one but I think I dislike the door mats just as much.

KatSaidWhat
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA for answering out loud. Lol. New one on me. MIL lucky he didn't respond the way I would have - f**k right off.

Broadredpanda
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If this MIL is retired and has nothing to do, then she's going to try and implant herself into your lives even more. Your wife seems really sweet and MIL knows this. She's going to have to be more assertive to her overbearing mother! I'll never understand a mother/mil that is just so difficult with their children and/or their partners? Why would any mother who is critical, manipulative and downright selfish not know how they're come across to their older children when they start living their lives on their own terms! Some of these (including this mother) are narcissistic and some are sociopaths too. If their behaviour doesn't change, they will end up being very lonely in their twilight years! Why? It's not hard to fit into your adult children's life. You can spend that time being a not very nice person or realise that I'll get so many more better outcomes and have that feeling of being in the bosom of your family and the feeling of happiness that comes with that is amazing!

Tonyah Mcanelly
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I still wouldn't budge that is a couples getaway. However maybe they can see if they can plan a family vacation to include her. IF that option doesn't work then the MIL needs to make a serious paradeighm shift. My ex MIL was very manipulative even my ex has nothing to do with her nor my adult children.

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