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Why would you say that? The original story is about this discussion. And it does feel like chivalry, which is not necessary. As a female IT manager I know first hand I never dealt with the issues the original story implies happened to me. The logic is skewed. We are in this field not because we jumped those hurtles, but because we are the few that hardly met them. Promoting STEM and equality is about all the women that didn't make it because they did walk into all those walls.

Right on, Vincent. Never seen it said better. Holding people accountable and expecting them to adjust their behavior based on events predating their birth is ridiculous. I'm tempted to delve into the similarities with the bible and religion, but this post is going to get downvoted enough already, I'm sure.

Yes, boys don't need any additional assistance in life. Allocate any resources to females. We should start teaching them instead of beating and objectifying them during science class. Maybe we'll even give them chairs and pens... What a wonderful new world! No more girl-skin backpacks for all the spoiled science boys!!

So it's today's men who should suffer for millennia of sexism? That's just weird. Besides, anyone taking engineering classes is too young to have been around when girls were told to be girly and science wasn't for them. I'm middle aged and have been hearing about how girls need to get into STEM and all that since I was a kid. Depending on where she's from, I'm willing to bet these girls were mostly applauded for what they are doing.

I'm sorry KatHat, but I wasn't there for the last 2000 years, and neither were you. I'm tired of things I lived, and in my lifetime, this has been the situation. Nad please remember that among men are transgender men, gay men, black men, differently abled men... We have not had it good ever.

Please don't define me without knowing me. I've been a gay activist, and a social worker my whole adult life. I consider myself a feminist, and have more than put my money where my mouth is. And yes, I believe it is well within my right as a citizen to question representations and discourses, including feminism. And I do believe that feminism has failed boys very much. I have not seen any feminist come at my rescue when I was harrassed and put down during my whole schooling, but they were there to tell me I was favoured because I was a boy once I reached upper education.

Only women have to be educated to earn a living wage? Last time I checked, men didn't get a salary from the government just for being men and they had to earn a living, too. I don't know in your planet, but in mine everybody has to earn a living.

@Evil Little Thing. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from...but in order to earn a living wage, you have to be educated regardless of your sex/gender. Even men who are uneducated find themselves in dead end jobs earning minimum wage. When it comes to more professional jobs, like IT or Engineering, you will find there is bias when it comes to men getting hired over women. And your theories on why black girls get disciplined more than white boys is false. The average on which group is disciplined more is largely dependent on the school. On average, in my MIL school where she taught (predominantly black), young black males were more subject to disciplinary action than the girls..and the girls were constantly getting into fights over the boys. In my school (predominantly white), it was the girls that were constantly in trouble for the same thing..fighting over boys.

That is a f****d up thing to say. And as ignorant as f**k. Depression can be a terminal illness, just like many other illnesses. I recently lost a good friend to suicide. Don't talk about her like that.

People who commit suicide are deeply troubled people, many who have tried hard to find healing and cannot. Yes, from the standpoint of those left behind, it is an exceedingly selfish act. But until you have lived inside the mind of someone who cannot find peace and healing for what tortures their souls, then you have no right to call them names. Work to love and heal people, to be there for them, to be empathetic, to help them find their worth and their hope. Don't just stand there and call them names. (If you are a loved one left behind by someone's suicide, then I do understand that you are coming from a place of pain. It's okay to be angry with them. But turn that anger into doing something to help others who are struggling with their mental health. Then there will be fewer people to have to go through what you have.)

Ellington: shut your cake-hole. I, & millions of people like me, suffer from severe, treatment resistant depression. I've tried several medications to control this illness & none work for long. This is a disease that'll be with me for LIFE. I have to take three different anti-depressants just to keep from killing myself. So I'm an idiot & an a*****e for being suicidal? For having malfunctioning neurotransmitters that don't do their jobs properly? For an illness that is partially GENETIC & partially brought on by PTSD & over which I have no control other than the medications, plus careful life management? Take your ignorance and GO F**K YOURSELF up a f*****g tree, you utter asshat. 40 years, you little s**t--40 f*****g years I've lived with this. I'm 52, now, & I have maybe another 40 years left. LET THAT F*****G SINK IN. Since I was TWELVE, at LEAST. Yeah, I've been an "idiot & an a*****e" since I was 12. Fish Boden: I have yet to see this Ellington goof say much of anything intelligent on this forum. He misses the point of most of the posts I've seen him on, & he too often posts the most ignorant, offensive c**p. I'll give him this, though: I haven't seen any racist s**t out of him yet. So that's good. Just a lot of dumb-assery that makes him seem like he has no clue about most things. Not a lot of empathy, either, as you've just seen.