“Recently Learned In Therapy That It Wasn’t Normal”: 30 Behaviors People Don’t Realize Are Toxic
Why is it that the people we love the most are also the people who seem to cause us the most pain? In healthy relationships, our romantic partners, best friends and family members can make us feel safer and warmer than anyone else on Earth. But unfortunately, our loved ones are also capable of exhibiting toxic behaviors that can be detrimental to our wellbeing.
Reddit users have recently been calling out common actions and traits that many people don’t realize can be abusive, so we’ve gathered some of their thoughts below. We hope you can’t relate to experiencing these behaviors, pandas, but if you can, know that you’re not alone. And be sure to upvote the replies that you think everyone needs to hear.
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Reactive abuse. Basically, abusers will poke and prod their victim so much until their victim has an explosive reaction. The abuser will then use this reaction as justification for their abuse or to further manipulate and gaslight the victim.
This. This is what he did. For 30 years. I realised too late but I know now.
I recently left my partner of 15yrs. It was so subtle at first. Every year as my tolerance grew his behavior became worse. Some abusers can be quite insidious in their manipulations.
Load More Replies...They also tell their minions about your reaction - and only your reaction, no context - to 'prove' how 'unstable' you are and 'what they have to put up with'.
This is my father. He'd deliberately insult me, scream at me and harass me for years. He loved to see the fear, the fawning, the "walking on eggshells". He used to come home, slam the door and look for me in the house just to scream at me. He yelled once because the window was closed. The next day I left it open and he yelled at me because the window was open. I started to yell back because at some point it became unbearable.
Holy s**t this is my dad. He'd never get a reaction out of me because I'm a "zero f***s to give" person but my sister fell for it every. single. time
The first 10 years of our marriage was like this. I threatened custody, and now all the cards are on the table. We're working through it one week at a time
I lost a good(-ish) co-worker to this. He was kind of a "Forest Gump" type -- nice, helpful, actually did the work, but not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. New guy came in who was the type described above, liked to make little digs at people to see if they'd react. He tried a few attempts at me, but I'd mostly just shrug at him, so he started in on C. I cooled things down between them a couple of times, but then I went on vacation. When I got back I was stunned to find them both gone: without me there as a buffer, new guy had poked at C until he got pissed enough to shove him, and C got fired for "fighting". Then new guy quit in a huff when a Supervisor had the gall to reprimand him over it, making a big deal about being "the injured party".
This is not called reactive abuse. It's known as DARVO: deny, attack the victim, reverse victim and offender.
Yelling. Years of walking on eggshells will damage a person's nervous system.
ooooh this makes so much sense, my ex had the shortest fuse, ANY issue and he would scream the house down.
And then they act like it is a foregone conclusion. " Anybody would " do outrageous thing here. If you try to tell them they are overreacting, you get " you are invalidating my feelings".
Load More Replies...Remember parents, your kids arent "sensitive" its probably just that you're a shouty b***h 😁😁
Yeap. I moved away from my toxic family and I needed a full year to get used to the calm, quiet atmosphere in my new home. No slammed doors, no yelling at 5 A.M., no jumping with fear when hearing the door entrance.
I've been through a LOT of therapy, and generally consider myself a tough cookie... but having someone, especially a man, yell at me? Immediately terrified. Nothing good has ever happened to me around someone yelling.
I remember being hungry sometimes but not wanting to go downstairs to the kitchen just in case my mom’s then-boyfriend was there, in a bad mood
My parents always yelled at each other and me and my brother. Then I got married and yelled a lot at my husband and daughter. Got divorced, met my second husband and he pointed it out... I never realized how bad it was. I have been actively working on stopping the yelling in my house for the last 8 years and have noticed a HUGE difference in myself and everyone around me.... never realized that my parents had programed me to think that was normal when in fact... it is not!
When you ask them to not joke about X, and they say something like, “Well, I guess I won’t speak at all anymore.”
They’re making it so difficult to set a boundary that you’ll want to give up.
Yes, this. I've been labeled as "sensitive" and I don't like it. It's mostly because I don't like sarcasm anymore.
Load More Replies..."If that's what you need to do in order to respect a reasonable boundary, then okay."
My ex husband used to give me the silent treatment when he didn't get his way. Pouted like a little b***h. What he didn't seem to realize is that I didn't care. I enjoyed the peace and quiet instead of listening to his whining. The last time (a month or so before I said enough) after about a week he started talking to me, but I didn't respond. It drove him crazy. I finally told him that giving me the silent treatment was like a little gift of "Now I don't have to listen to his bullsh*t and can read in peace". I think he realized that he hadn't been "punishing" me IN THE LEAST and felt really stupid.
It’s time for you to go on his d****k because u like he d*++ si much at it lol F***kin naagis brohir choder lori
Neglect - neglect IS abuse
Who is cooking for you then? Your dad or another family member? I am sorry if you are cooking for yourselves at your age.
Load More Replies...My wife sat in her house FIVE days, I was there. Minus me her family didnt say s**t, didnt check on her, didnt feed her. I ordered food and cooked. She says thats not abuse, gods yes it is and now shes away with me andmy family and seeing it.
Telling a child how they should feel.
“You should be grateful.”
“You should be happy.”
“You should be sorry.”
It shows the child just how little the parent actually cares about their feelings. The child is just a doll to them that they think they can control.
I remember my cat’s leg and tail was broken and my dad told me “You should be happy because I didn’t shoot her.” I will never forgive him for that
I can’t even count how many times my dad has said that to me
Load More Replies..."You should be so grateful for all the money ive spent on you" I WAS LIKE 7, I HAD JUST LEARNT ABOUT JOBS AND STUFF SO SOON AND THIS HAPPENED?!
My mother's favorite lines were, oh everyone gets sad and depressed, you're just over sensitive and over reacting about everything! Yeah, neglect, physical and s*xual abuse is normal eh mom. These days I hand her b.s back to her.
I AM sorry! I AM grateful! I WANT to be happy, but you’re making it impossible! (Not you, IRL)
Oh hells no. If that was me, daddy would have been tasting gunmetal. NOBODY treats animals like that, much less children!!!
This kind of thing is why someone in my country set up a shelter where abuse victims can bring their pets when they escape, and why I make monthly donations to it.
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Invalidating your feelings by making it about them and how you holding them accountable is upsetting them.
I love my mother but every time I tried to talk about my upbringing and how some aspects of it negatively affected me as an adult , she’d say “that never happened/you ate making it up/I remember it differently/ you have no idea how hard was for ME/ it’s because my mother never wanted me “
PS.I genuinely know she is not a bad person, but if she acknowledged that she hurt me, then she would have to take responsibility for her actions But she lacks any self-awareness because her defence system will never allow her to admit fault- that’s my awful grandparents doing. luckily, it stops with me , thank god for therapy and accepting that being vulnerable is ok
Load More Replies...Yeah, my mother... When I started going to therapy and she asked why, I truthfully replied because of her behaviour toward me. She told me, I don't understand how hard it was for HER and that I should help around the house more (yeah, me helping you cook will erase the memories fo you yelling you could have thrown me out of the window...)
Wait so what if my parents and I are in an argument. I start to cry or tear up but my mom starts to say she should be crying because of "insert what I did wrong" is this like this. She says I am faking it but I don't think I am since I have a hard time crying.
What feelings? All I have to do is make my parents happy and I’ll be fine. I just have to not upset them, because they’re not doing anything wrong!
Ohhh HA... ha.. yeaeeeah... my "best friend" - told her that I didn't enjoy her humiliating me in front of her 'new friends'... and *I* was the evil one for daring to make her feel bad. My mother is like this too... and... yup... it STILL shocks me to the core when I don't get reamed out for setting boundaries or letting someone know that their behaviour isn't so great.
Unfortunately, this is a common problem that is often inherited from the previous generation. Anyone with narcissistic tendencies will do this and probably their parents did it to them as well. The saddest part is that by doing it, you hurt your child and they may grow up to be the same as you.
My mother has tried a few times to come back into my life, but has ruined it every time, by trying to convince me that she left because my dad was horrible. That he was making everything up. In fact, he's never said a bad word about her. I was a teenager when she left, my brothers were in middle school, we remember everything. We remember her beating us, our dad, and our pets. All four of us have tried to have some sort of relationship with her, as adults. All four of us, decided it's better not to. But, she cries and whines, and plays the victim. It's sickening. What's even more annoying, is how other people believe her, and tell me she was a great mom.
Mothers who treat their sons like surrogate boyfriends/husbands. If their sons DARE to have a girlfriend or get married, these women act like they're being cheated on.
Took me until the age of 35 to realize this was my mom. It was so freeing afterwards. I was able to finally be who I wanted to be. Happy I'm in such a good place now, but pissed about how many years I felt like an ex-husband to my mom. No contact now....obviously.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but I'm glad you found your way to a better place in your life. Get yourself a good therapist if you haven't already. These kinds of trauma can rear their ugly head later in life even after you think you're past it and a good support system can do wonders for you.
Load More Replies...Yes I was thinking of that. What's the deal with that?
Load More Replies...One of my exes had a mom like that.... she actually asked him why he'd picked me ( I was 17 at the time, he'd just turned 18 ) and not someone younger. 8 months further and she makes him choose between her and me ( ON NEW YEARS EVE ) she'd packed his bags and everything. He chose her. In the long run: Good riddance, but man I was PISSED at the time.... cried my eyes out for 3 days straight. He was a great guy, but with hidden mommy issues....
Their whole family was a bit weird... I hated going to family gatherings.... Hence the "good riddance "
Load More Replies...This is why you *never* get with a mama's boy. They've been brainwashed their whole lives to believe that mommy will always come first.
100%. If a guy says his mom is his best friend, that's a huge red flag.
Load More Replies...I have three (adult) sons and the very thought of treating any of them like a boyfriend at any point makes me feel icky.
This would make you a normal healthy mother.
Load More Replies...I've dated a man in his late-20s who still lived with his parents. His mother ruled the family with her emotions. She didn't like me at all because I was older, divorced, and had children. I was also extremely nice, enjoyed the same activities, had a Master's, was a teacher, well-traveled, owned my place, and was quite young-looking and very fit. She'd tell him things like "you'll cheat on her when she get older" and "you'd have to have children with her now because she's getting old." The thing is, when he broke-up with me, he said, " Now I have to go find someone exactly like you."
trying to "test" people's food allergies because they don't believe them or trying to sneak a food someone doesn't like into a dish to prove them wrong.
My MIL always tried to convince me food was gluten free. "These are soy bagels, honey." Yeah if they made gf soy bagels that looked that good I'd know about it, Barb.
Celiac disease is no laughing matter- it will ruin your insides. Gluten intolerance is no joke either and if you have it you can have gut wrenching problems. And, either way, it’s difficult to maneuver even with more gluten free options coming out. Why would anyone make it a “choice”? I guess some do it because they are extra, but those who HAVE to need to be believed. The consequences of eating gluten (even if “just” sensitive and not celiac) can lay you out for a couple of days.
Load More Replies...My older daughter is allergic to peanuts with is closely related to anaphylaxis shock and death. When she was two, I asked my ex-husband's family not to bring baked peanut items to a family gathering. Wouldn't you know it - one sister-in-law did! I was so furious that I wanted to leave. Of course, he didn't stand behind me - no wonder I eventually left him. My mom and her husband tried to feed her peanut stuff when they babysat, too, I found out later!
A grandmother ended up killing her granddaughter by doing this. Why anyone would try to disprove someone's allergy is beyond me. How in the world does it affect them?!
I hate how people don't take food allergies seriously. It can literally mean life and death to some. You never know.
My own mother does this. I, in my 30's, can't eat the food she makes. I bring my own. I've been a vegan for about 18 years and I'm not bothered by cooking meat or things being cooked on the same grill. None of that. However a stick of secret butter or adding grease to my food because I'm not looking well, getting certain vitamins is f'n crazy. No matter how many times I have said to her, and she has witnessed, it's violent in my body. It's exactly like bad food poisoning. Puts me out for a couple days and i turn so green. I'm glad to read other people's stories. My partner didn't understand the extent of this weirdness until we all vacationed together. I felt validated. These stories are all very validating. Thank you all for sharing!
I advise you not to eat any food you don't make or see made yourself. After all those tik toks of people making food in the sink or bathtub or other disgusting things I won't go into, I no longer care about being polite. Eating food someone else has made is risking your life.
You clearly mean home made food otherwise all restaurants are cancelled ;-)
Load More Replies...If it happens more than once with a certain person, and you end up in the ER, please make sure the physician/NP knows. It will be on record. Then inform the person who tried to poison you (because that is what they did), that their actions are on record and a third time will result in A: calling law enforcement, and B: consulting a lawyer.
I have a severe reaction to aspartame (sweetener/e number), causes me to suffer with intensely violent migraines for 24-48 hours. I cannot count the number of times people have decided to "test" me by giving it to me and then acted completely in awe when I'm in agony/throwing up from the pain, and then having the audacity to say "well i didnt think it'd be that bad" or "I thought you just used it as an excuse to avoid diet drinks". Oh, and a quick FYI - Aspartame is linked to migraines, brain tumours, and even some cancers, so yeah that man-made fake sugar sh*t is evil and should not be consumed by humans.
Two words - "attempted murder" (if the allergy is severe enough)
Weaponized incompetence
You ask your husband to pick up the kid from daycare. Your husband says he doesn't know how to because he's never done it before and it would just be easier if you did it....the "incompetence" conveniently excuses him from doing the work that you do all the time. Either via the suggestion of someone else doing the task OR sometimes the old acceptance of the task but requiring present, constant hand holding all the while emphasizing how difficult it is and making the process so painful that it's never asked of them again.
"I don't see any dirt. We have different standards of cleanliness." My autistic male roommate trying to manipulate me into cleaning the bathroom. The sink was literally grimy.
Load More Replies...“You don’t know how to clean the bathroom (or it’s done poorly)? That’s ok. Every time that chore needs done, I’ll save it for you. Practice makes perfect!”
You guys, this is more than just doing something for someone all the time without allowing them to practice and get good at it. The weapon is using something you know they can't do and making them feel, not only stupid about it, that they can't do other things, as well, and have very low intellectual power to comprehend. (This is not to say those with intellectual disabilities are not capable and not smart. I know they are a lot smarter than given credit for.) It could look like this: "NO. That's not what I said to do." as the person just started a task. "Just go. I'll do it. If you're going to do something, do it right the first time." " Do not touch that. You'll break it." to a fully capable adult. " I. SAID. PUT. THAT. THERRRRE. ARE YOU LISTENING? HELLLLOOOOO".
Yeah, my ex was like that. I wasn't having it. Um, no I'm not going to clean it myself, I'm going to stand here and watch you redo it until you get it right. And I did. Thank God my new husband is an actual f*cking grownup.
Abusive incompetence.. yup... the moment you start to try to explain how to do a thing... oh, now you're insulting them... suddenly they're cutting you off... and "yup. fine. Yup. whatever. Fine. Yeah." and they walk away... then they say "Well, you were just getting so mad about it..." - ????????
An example: man does the laundry once, makes such a mess, colours run, items shrunk, that he's deemed incompetent at that task and is therefore exempted from ever being asked to do it again. Repeat for as many household or everyday tasks as they want to avoid.
Load More Replies...Why do I never see this relating to: changing the oil, changing the sparkplugs, rotating the tires, hanging drywall, rough framing, basic plumbing, wiring lights and switches, building a deck, spraying for bugs, etc? Just curious. These are all very basic things anyone can do but I'll probably get down voted for pointing out the hypocrisy of most people's comments. It's not generally abusive if you don't want to do laundry or dishes.
Yep, you are right, these are all tasks anyone can do! The difference is, the washing up, washing, clothes hanging up, folding, picking up kids from daycare, cooking, making 3 nutritious meals need to ve done EVERY SINGLE DAY. While rotating tires, changing oil is something that one needs to do once or twice a year. Meaning: the stuff that has to be done on a daily basis puts an extra load of mental weight on anyone, especially if it's ALWAYS you alone who has to do it. So yeah, that's the difference.People are never exhausted of things like building a deck on a daily basis, because people don't build a deck for themselves on a daily basis, most of us never do actually! But you have to eat, put on clean clothes, go and come back from school. Every. Single. Day. Hope that helps :)
Load More Replies...I abhor that term. It should be called ‘Prudent incompetence’. Weaponising means making the thing function in an attack. Does not make sense at all when all they’re doing is being deceptive by feigning ignorance in order to get you to do the work yourself. If you know an adult who does it and you let them get away with it then you’re the fool in that equation.
Not everyone knows that this is an abusive tactic, and even if they do, it's very hard to articulate something you lack the vocabulary for.
Load More Replies...Not teaching your kids basic life skills to keep them dependent
So most parents today who keep their kids locked up at home and never allow them to go anywhere alone.
This is a self perpetuating problem though. My kids don't go out very often, because there’s no other kids outside. We DO go out (hiking, parks, etc), no worries about that, but when I open my door, there are no kids to be found. Much older teenagers congregate at the parks, and then there’s plenty of places that just don’t have child friendly/appropriate spaces. Also, when I was a kid, I know if I felt unsafe I probably could have knocked on any door in my neighbourhood for help. I don’t have that same sense anymore.
Load More Replies...It's hard because you want to protect them... but all that does is leave them unprepared for an uncaring world.
What does that mean to you to protect your kids? Protecting your kids means keeping them alive, keeping them under your care and not kidnapped, making sure they're well and healthy. Not coddling them or "protecting" them from ever having to be uncomfortable, tired, frustrated, bored, unhappy. You're not meant to make them happy 24/7. You have to show them the world, allow them to gain skills they need. That's how kids grow their minds and maturity. Otherwise we'll have a bunch of Kim Kardashian-like people running around pouting.
Load More Replies...I can't believe parents these days think giving kids chores is "parentifying" kids because "you don't make kids do the housework. You brought them into the world without their permission. It's child abuse to make them do housework." And then they wonder why they have kids who can't do basic housework and have to do everything for them. Isn't that part of "weaponized incompetence"?
Far too many parents do this now. I'm so tired of hearing, "But they're a miracle rainbow baby!" It's a child, not a consolation prize. They are not the messiah and will need to be able to function in society. Raising your kid with zero rules, boundaries and discipline is the worst thing you can do for them. And for the rest of us who have to deal with their idiocy when they're an adult.
In my case, not actually dependent, but to keep control over me. Having control was my dad's power trip. That backfired when I left home at barely 17 with no life skills whatsoever. Almost 70 now and that was the best thing I ever did.
I think there's a serious problem when we give parents the advice of "let kids be kids". They forget that kids are only kids because they aren't born with life skills. It's a parent's job to teach those, if nothing else because children are functional parts of a family, too. But I realize that parent's keep their kids dependent as a power trip thing. I just don't get it - like why would you want to have the weight of doing all the things on you if you have a minion who can help?
I am a mental health counselor specializing in homelessness. I see this all the time. The parents might be very kind and caring. They believe someone with mental illness are not capable of living on their own so they keep them at home for thirty years. When the parents suddenly die or end up in nursing care, the 50 year old disabled person has no where to go and gets dumped on the homeless system. No rental or credit history to pass rental screenings, low income, no idea how to rent a place or talk to a landlord…. Professionals like me spend a year trying to teach them 30 years of life experience. Then people in the community call them lazy and stupid because they are homeless and confused
In the same vein, I contend that letting them live at home after high school, but not be working or going to school, is a horrible practice that benefits no one.
My mom I think was just used to doing our laundry and it was just easier for her to cook dinner after a long work day rather than have the patience to show us, but she by no means did it to keep us reliant on her. She just was a mom that taking care of her kids. Now that she is a grandma she takes all the time to bake and cook with her grands.
Messing with someone’s sleep.
It definitely is. My ex did that to me and my daughter. I'd be painfully tired. Some nights, when he wasn't working or on his nights off, every 10 minutes, just as we'd almost fall asleep he'd slam the door open, stare at us without a word for what felt like forever, then slam the door shut again. Of course, he also worked nights and slept all day. Heaven forbid I did any housework during the day.
Load More Replies...My father would do that. He'd slam the door of my room and start screaming at me WHILE I was sleeping. I'd jump from my sleep crying. He did it several times although I asked him not to do it. It gave me panic attacks for years. Looking back now I believe he was enjoying it.
There's a reason sleep deprivation is classified as a form of torture.
This, even not abusive, might be a man/woman thing. My SO used to walking into the living room when I was napping on the couch... only to wake me up to ask me if I was napping and that he intended to do "this or that" in a 10-15min time frame. Asking him to let me nap until that (knowing he was anyway notoriously late) didn't help. Because he would wake me up every 5 min to tell me how long I still had time to nap. I, on the other hand, always tiptoed out of the room to not disturb his nap until it was time to wake him up. Then having to handle him wanting to nap another 5-15min and him (us) being late to the appointment. Reading threads like this, and having a healthy break after a decade, made me realize how toxic his behaviour was. As soon as I started to call him out on this, he almost immediately stopped to wake me up only to ask me if I was asleep. (Small victories). Additionally it also worked wonders to tell him that I would leave him napping while already attending...
...the gathering/thingy he wanted to attend in the first place 🤗 (Though I feel almost sorry for myself that something so simple took me sooo long to figure out.)
Load More Replies...Sleep deprivation is the most basic and the simplest form of torture. My ex did this every time I tried to say no. If I wanted to sleep, I had to give him/do what he wanted.
Nah i dont like sleep so you can mess mine up as much as you want :)
My ex would do this. He'd be on 5 hour energys a case of beer. I would just try to sleep. And he would play heavy metal. I would ask, could you please turn this down, I'm trying to sleep. He said Nope. Deal with it. I'm insomniac, and it's hard enough. So, eventually he would fall asleep. Exhausting
An ex used to do that... he'd get angry with me for... I dunno... setting a boundary... or letting him know that his idea wasn't actually correct/the best idea ever... so he'd get 'revenge' by saying "ALL RIGHT, let's TALK about it then... " and he'd want to talk about it... **right** when I was about to fall asleep.... then... it would go nowhere.. so he'd be quiet... and wait 'til I was **just** asleep, then say something really loudly again... repeat about 5-6 times... and when I'm in tears and begging 'please let me sleep' - well, then he'd tell people I 'don't like to work things out or talk about things'
Parentification. I recently learned in therapy that it wasn’t normal that I was cooking & changing my siblings diapers when I was 8.
This is tricky because doing chores isn't parentification. My job as a parent is not to babysit my child and do everything for them, while they go play with toys and "be a kid". Rather, it's to teach my child how to be a fully functioning human being so he's not drop-kicked out into the world at 18 not knowing basic life skills like laundry, cooking, mending, cleaning, shopping for necessities, voting, and giving at least a hint of a thought about tending to another living creature's needs. I was cooking and doing laundry and changing my sibling's diapers when I was eight. The difference was that I was not the primary doer of those things, so no one absolutely depended on my doing them (well... I was dependent on doing my own laundry). Parentification isn't in the chores you're tasked with; it's in the level of responsibility instilled in those chores.
This is a very important distinction, and you articulated it well. Responsibility and accountability are important for children to learn, as are basic life skills. Moreover, it's not unreasonable to teach a child that a household is a team and that everyone should contribute toward the family's general welfare to an age- and ability-appropriate degree.
Load More Replies...Same here. I was supposed to take care of my younger brother and I got punished if he got hurt, lost his toys or other children upset him. I'd also get punished for everything he'd broke or spill in the house, because my mother used to say: "you taught him this!" I was 9 years old.
I woke my family up in the mornings and made breakfast. I often had to wake my parents up 2-3 times before they got up. I was responsible for making sure that my baby sister ate, to get her dressed, and take her to her daycare. After school, I picked her up and brought her home. I made us dinner, cleaned the house, and washed dishes. I didn't have to do laundry since it was in the basement and I couldn't safely carry my sister and the laundry down the stairs. I was 9. There is a huge difference between doing chores and having all responsibility for things the adults should be responsible for.
I so relate to this one. My Dad left when I was 8 (baby sister still in diapers, brother & another sister). So, I got to be "Mother's little helper". Bull f*cking sh*t, I became the Nanny. Cooking, cleaning, yes- changing diapers, the works. When I was 13 I'd had enough and blew up at my Mom. I was on the cheer squad, in speech & debate, in the drama club and played soccer. I told her I was tired of raising HER children. Her attitude was basically, tough. So I ran away. "They" put me in juvenile detention, all because I just wanted MY life back. I ended up moving to San Diego to live with my Dad. I had chores, for which I got an allowance, but I was never treated like "the help" again.
Age appropriate chores and tasks are important life skills and improve self esteem and self reliance. But I will always struggle with children helping other children with toileting and diaper changes. How can you guarantee the child doing it properly to keep the baby clean and rash free and make sure they are keeping everything sanitary? The appropriate way a child can help would be to make sure the diaper bin is full or help take the trash out.
The OP was not talking about age appropriate chores.
Load More Replies...There's a difference between teaching important life skills and dumping adult responsibilities on children. Kids need to have chores because it teaches self-reliance, family responsibility, and necessary skills. They also need time to study and have fun. To make a child totally responsible for siblings, or other children, needs to be reported as child abandonment.
Using personal things someone has told you against them when you are angry. My husband does this and tries to pretend he’s being “constructive”, rather than just cruel. And I’m working on getting my s**t together to get the f**k out because I’m tired of being painted as the bad guy when I get upset.
Easier said than done sometimes.... Divorce costs a sh!tload of money and finding a rental place is Russian Roulette
Load More Replies...all of a sudden i wanna take back all the secrets i have told some people...im never letting my feelings show again, parents can use those against you for anything...
Yep. I told my brother I’m gay once and he brings it up at least 2 times a week
My mother was doing it for years. And she blamed me for lying to her, because I didn't want to give her any more personal information. She was telling everyone I was the reason we don't have good relationship.
Keeping you isolated. My ex tried convincing me that my parents and friends didn’t love me.
I almost ended my life when I genuinely believed I had no one to turn to and no where to go
Always told -and still tell- my kids we're here 24/7/365. They can always come home. ALWAYS. (but if you come home an addict, we only play by our rules)
Load More Replies...My ex did his best to ensure that we ALWAYS went to HIS family functions every time and every visit. Anytime that I tried insisting we go to my family's functions, there was always a reason why not. I realized that that would never change and I'd have to fight just to see my parents and siblings. A huge reason it ended.
My sisters husband is actively doing this. We are no idea how to deal with it because if we let it go, her life is miserable and if we confront him, we are confirming the lies he has convinced her as true. Its a lose lose until she figures it out herself.
The few times I wanna go to a friend’s house, they say no, and when I’m reading at home they tell me I need more friends!
Breaking things while angry with their partner/kid (punching a hole in the wall for example)
They may not be hitting you, but they want to.
My father was always so proud that he never laid a hand on us (that should be the bare minimum), but he went into rages and caused property damage that scared the hell out of us
Na. Ive broken stuff when pushed to the brink of insanity during arguments with my ex. Never crossed my mind to hit her. Just needed to get the frustration out. The bag of dog food, man it got pummeled. Lol
Do you know how scary and stressful it is to see someone so enraged at you they start flipping out on a bag of dog food? It’s not just “ getting frustration out” to the other person it’s intimidation and emotional terrorism.
Load More Replies...There are healthy ways to vent anger, but destroying property is NOT appropriate. I'm stable 99% of the time, but when my antidepressant is being changed or I'm about to enter a depressive episode I get very, VERY irritable and given to rage. I bit the bullet and bought a punching bag and stand so that I'd have a healthy outlet for those times. 100% worth it.
not necessarily anger is a valid emotion and it has to have somewhere to go.
That is why, when I get really angry about something, I make a hate cake. The only important part of the recipe is lots of egg whites whipped by hand. If I'm still mad when it's done, it gets whipped cream frosting. That usually sets me back to rights. Plus I have a cake.
Load More Replies...I know I am going to get downvoted, but at least they didn't hit you... even if they wanted to
Beg to differ. It is the fear and the control that is used in this scenario. Harder to prove. Emotional abuse is just as hurtful. You may not see the marks but believe me, the scars are really deep. No one should live in fear of being hit. No one should live in fear of emotional abuse.
Load More Replies...Honestly, if you have that much anger, you should seek help. However, hitting the wall is much less abusive than hitting a person.
Not really related. But the phrase punching a hole in the wall sounds so weird to me. Do these people have some kind of super power or just walls made of cardboard? Walls definitely aren't punchable where I live
I live with 3 people with ADHD. See how long you live with that and don't punch a wall. People have limits. But all of the precious, holier than thou people, are quick to point out how wrong you are without having lived your life.
My dad did this a lot and it was terrifying. I believe he never laid a hand on my Ma but, by god he used to smash things up with alarming regularity. When I moved out and met my wife, I swore we would never be like that and to this day, I hate raised voices and loud noises. You do that, you can gtf out of my house.
Taking away someones personal belongings, or selling them without permission. My mom would go through my room and trash or sell everything while I was at school. She's sold or thrown away my deceased dad's stuff, toys, clothes, pets, etc... and act like I shouldn't be upset. My sister does this as well.
Same here, and yes, also pets - later said we never had them
Load More Replies...I never thought of this, but I have 2 kids under 10. I regularly go through their clothes and get rid of the ones that don't fit. I never really talked about it before with them cause the clothes don't fit and I need the space for the clothes that do. I'll have to ask if this upsets them now
Good f*****g job. You took a step back, looked at it, and decided to ask them, most people I know don't have that maturity in them
Load More Replies...Either that’s crazy town, or the epitome of cruel. Or both.
Load More Replies...Yup. I have nothing left from my childhood because my mom threw everything out or gave it away because "you're too old for that". Some of that stuff would be worth a lot of money now.
Mom again. Hid stuff I got "too attached to". Told me she threw it away or burned it. Turns out she just hid it in the attic but man the heartbreak I went through... Especially because she said "it was my fault "
My M & D did this. They moved house, throwing away my childhood in the process and the first I knew of it was a change of address.
Whoa, pets?! It's bad enough they did that with all that other stuff, but pets?! If I were OP, I would do everything in my power to make her mom's and sister's life a living hell from then onward. Ruining their most treasured possessions would be a good start.
I would have burned their entire house down, I'm not joking. I get very attached to things.
Sibling rivalry that goes unchecked by parents.
Man, I can't believe how common/ignored sibling abuse is. Neglectful parents plus unruly children is a recipe for disaster.
As the youngest of five I was routinely abused. I made sure it didn’t happen with my kids.
I had an abusive older sister - wouldn't you know, my older daughter tried to be abusive to my younger daughter. Couldn't f@cking believe it!
Load More Replies...Um. Does it count if my brother is hitting me, stealing, body shaming, personality shaming, and making fun of how many friends I have?
Yes River Wolf, it does count. Some of your comments make me worry for your safety and well-being, and make my heart hurt for you. Please tell an adult, one who is a mandated reporter. In fact, tell several different adults (school counselors, nurses, teachers, secretaries, your doctor (any doctor). And tell them everything, do not hold any detail back. You may feel that you are overreacting, but that's what abusers count on to keep you silent. Someone may not believe you, but someone else will. You are entitled to be loved, supported, and respected. If you decide to not tell, please get away and go no contact when you turn 18. Trauma and abuse thrive in the dark, so don't hide this from others.
Load More Replies...I'm a living example of this. My parents never corrected my abusive sibling and I finally left home. It's been 17 years since I left home and my parents still have hope that I'll talk to my sibling. 🤷♀️
Same here. Everything was oh its just a joke, you're too sensitive b.s. I went no contact, my mother carries on like I'm awful because of it. She bought him up to be just like her.
Load More Replies...My elder 'step brother' (I was adopted n never allowed to call them mum or dad or family) used to beat the seven shades of s**t out of me to the point of breaking my bones. Those adults never said a word to him or did anything to him. If I so much as looked at their prescious son wrong, they would beat my a*s with a horsewhip or a draining rod.
I'm so sorry to hear this! It makes me wonder why they even adopted you? It doesn't sound like they did it out of love
Load More Replies...Oddly, my girlfriend was bullied by her younger sister. I was bullied by my elder brother, but everyone said "he's just being a boy" and let him get away with it. I am five years younger, but I'm huge. In height and weight. He's tiny. He's glad I'm nice and forgiving.
My sister would force my mom to choose. She always chose her, I was the afterthought.
Me and my sisters are all really supportive of each other, thank you Mum and Dad. We've seen this tho in our cousins, it is messed up.
yeah the other day my youngest daughter punches my middle daughter. We had to sit them both down and explain why they can't put hands on each other. We totally understood that the middle one provoked the youngest and the middle was punished but we had to punish the youngest too. In my hubby's words "I will not have my kids marking each other up" These two girls are so different and bug each other but we have to keep on top of it and make them realize that they are family. It's an important part of raising kids!
Not letting people express negative emotions because it's 'negativity.'
You can't have light without dark. Why are the positive people seen as better?
Toxic positivity is very real. It's not healthy to be happy all the time, it's cult-ish behaviour.
'If I don't look at you, you can't see me' doesn't work in hide and seek, and it doesn't work with negative things.
A legendary individual once had this interaction (most of what makes it funny is the actor but the point stands here) Person 1: Hey man! It’s been a while! How’s the business? P2: It went bankrupt. It’s all gone. P1: Oh, uh, how’s the wife? P2: Divorced. She left when the money dried up. 01: How’s the kids? P2: Angela took them with her. P1:… P2:… P1: Y’know you’re hard to talk to
It's the same as not letting men express negative emotions because they're men and men shouldn't cry. Men should cry, because they're sentient people too, not only women and children.
Toxic spirituality. I think a lot of mental health problems hide behind spirituality.
Like, maybe that person isn't your soul mate/twin flame, you just need to deal with some Internal issues buddy.
hahahahahahahaha this is the best and also the cheekiest answer to this post
Load More Replies...As well: Using their "spirituality" to "explain" or "solve" problems. Like, I suffer from cluster headache and I knew a guy who asked me, if I ever tried yoga to cure it. Once he said: "Well, let me just clean your chakra!" ... and BLEW AGAINST MY FOREHEAD.
Apparently he thought you were an old video game cartridge XD
Load More Replies...These people are the worst, because they've convinced themselves that their terrible behavior is actually good and the way people should act. It doesn't matter if it's an organized religion, a cult, or just "in touch" with whatever. Anyone who thinks they have found the one and only "true way" is going to be awful to deal with.
My mum thinks that I am a very violent person because I’m neither spiritual nor religious
Penn (of Penn & Teller) has an excellent quote on that, which I give to people like her: "The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine."
Load More Replies...It's weird, because when you're manic, all your ideas feel true and it feels like you have actual purpose in life for a change.
Constantly reminding someone of their shortcomings/ past mistakes
Him:I have stopped drinking and took anger management classes.What have you done to improve yourself? I know there are things i could improve. But being constant reminded of every little failure ? I cant figure out the real issues.
Yeah my mom gets angry with us because “She’s gone to therapy and is the only one trying here!” Well first of all I don’t love you anymore mom. Second you still explode over stuff and yell until we cry.
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Like when someone helps someone else just so they can lord it over them forever and use it to guilt trip them and make them feel like they owe them.
I think it depends... My partner always say I should not bring up the past because he tries to change but if something really hurts me I sometimes want to talk about it later on or point it out when we argue over similar things.
My whole family. Then you're afraid to try something new because it ads to you mistake list.
It doesn't have to be violence, it's the implication that something bad will happen if you don't comply. Agreeing to pay for your kids college and pulling the rug out from under them over something petty like a political disagreement is abuse.
I left home to go to college. I was going to work and save up a decent amount of money and wait a year but I was told to not worry about it. I went and within a few months we had a disagreement and they stopped helping at all. I'm halfway through a semester at that point and don't have a job or rent. The landlord was cool and gave me time to catch up.
I racked up a ton of credit card debt during this time. My parents were not hurting for money. I never would have done it if my dad didn't tell me not to worry about it.
This was my entire life. There was always an explicit threat of "or else"; it was *unimaginably* stressful, and I 100% blame the fact that I have an anxiety disorder on that.
This is why I never asked my father for a thing. I didn't want him holding anything over my head, even when he told me my college would be taken care of if I moved back in with him *shudder*
Your parents helped you with college? Wow! My parents didn't give me a dime - I had to pay my own tuition and living expenses. I worked multiple crummy part-time jobs (giving me little time to study - and no time for a social life). Meanwhile, my father was bragging "I'm making every penny count. I am sacrificing everything to get him through college." Total lie. It got to a point some relative berated me for doing nothing to help with my college education.
Well, they didn't after all.. their parents suck, and your father as well.
Load More Replies...Sounds like it was a trap to screw you over if you didn't bow to every whim. Too many people use money to have power over others, even family.
My dad was well off. We got everything paid for. Even college. But my brother and I didn't learn anything about the real world. That combined with the normal abuse made finally leaving scary but exciting.
Yea, that's a bummer, but also, this is a privileged complaint. Lots of parents can't afford to to do that, like most parents can't. I started working to pay rent at 15. It's funny how ignorant Americans are of the poor people that live all around them. We need to change the system. College should be free.
Showing favoritism - family related. Not by directly saying "I prefer x over y" but by the little comments, actions/inactions. It can really mess with someone's self esteem, confidence, and overall thoughts of self and self worth.
My father didn't even pretend to hide his favoritism; he could, in the same breath, tell my sister he'd support her goals however he could, and then turn to me and tell me that my dreams were stupid and that I'd receive no help.
I feel sorry for you. A close friend went through the same, he told us how destructive it feels.
Load More Replies...Sometimes parents don't even see it. My mom insists that she doesn't play favorites, but my sister and I both know that our brother is the golden child. And she will rewrite history in order to continue to be blind. Neither one of us had our cars blown out inside by fireworks, yet when it happened to my brother, it was obviously not his fault. In any way. At all. And now that he's grown, he's never wrong. About anything. Even when presented with facts. We just need to understand our brother better.
I feel your pain. I am the oldest and only girl. My Mom favors my brothers, just like her Mom favored her brothers. Well, not as bad but I see it. I don't think she realizes she does it.
Load More Replies...Your brother is the little one so he always needs help. You're older so you'll be OK. Except I got all the responsibility, he had none and got all the benefits.
yeah my parents did this and didn't even hide it. My brother could do anything and they would treat him like the golden child but no matter what I did I could never be as good as him in their eyes. Even when he crashed multiple cars and broke multiple phones, they acted like he was perfect and I couldn't be trusted with anything. the biggest example which I commented on an earlier post was I couldn't even lock my room, my brother could lock himself in all day anytime he wanted, but if I even locked my door once for 15 minutes to have some privacy they would take the door off it's hinges and remove everything from my room that I didn't need to sleep or do schoolwork basically
oh yeah. grandparents and cousin Matt. F you, cousing matt and good luck on your journey of discovering who you really are while being 40. Yeah, dude was grandparent's favorite and a prodigy child that ended up as my generation's black sheep.
This is just human nature. Just because you're related, doesn't mean you have anything in common, or even that you particularly like someone. Doesn't matter who you are, or in what circumstance, you're always going to favor those who you have a stronger emotional bond with, have more shared interests, sense of humor or personality traits.
I'm pretty sure OP meant something more along the lines of a grandparent making it obvious they prefer one grandchild over the others, or a parent making it obvious that they prefer one sibling over the other - this is abuse, not "human nature" - while it may be human nature to bond more closely with someone due to shared interests, etc., it is never OK to make a child feel unworthy or "less than" due to favoritism of another child in the family. It's just a more subtle version of comparing one child/person to another and actively making them feel like they don't measure up or should be more like the "favorited" family member.
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Continuing certain behavior after the person you are affecting has (repeatedly) asked you to stop.
*But-I’m-Not-Touching-You*-ism is a short route to abusive behavior.
Yeah my stepbrother was allowed to do whatever he wanted and I got yelled at when I started screaming and crying for him to stop.
Load More Replies...My parents let my brother do that. It still triggers me - my kids were never allowed to do that, ugh.
My little brother would tease me incessantly. When I would ask my mom to tell him to stop she always said "Oh just ignore him". He knew that and would tease even more. I have never resorted to violence. Thinking back I should have slapped him as hard as I could just once. Maybe it would have changed the dynamic. But then that would turned me into a person I wasn't.
Manipulation under the guise of caring for what happens to you
NiceGuys do this all the time. “I’m just concerned about your mental health. How are you doing?” Then proceed to harass you mercilessly
My most recent boss did this / tried to do it. I quit after a few too many "I'm just worried about yous" where the underlying message still was that it's inconvenient for her that I'm burned out because I had to do her job on top of my own for a long time before she started.
When parents do this to isolate their kids, then claim it's because they want you to stay safe since it's such a dangerous world.
Harnessing therapy speak to absolve oneself of accountability
Or using your diagnosis (or more likely self diagnosis) as an excuse to be an AH.
I have multiple diagnoses; I very firmly ascribe to the philosophy of "mental illness isn't my fault, but it is my responsibility"
Load More Replies...OMG,,, my Ex is currently in the midst of spouting her cult's language at me like I am an ignorant child. So frustrating.
Stephanie, why are you talking to your ex? Tell them it's over and move on.
Load More Replies...Comparing one child to another,cousin or friends. Why can’t you be more like them. It’s so toxic.
I can sympathise-my mother's idea of "encouraging" me to lose weight as a child was to tell me that no man would ever want to marry me looking like I did.
Load More Replies..."Why can't you be smart and hard working like your colleague F.?? He loves Math and I bet he works on Math every day! But you're lazy and stupid!" Years later, we're in college now and F. has a crush on me. And I cannot stand the sight of him, as he reminds me of the humiliation my mother put me through.
In Russian speaking world we have a meme for that called "mom's best friends' son". A guy (typically), who does everything right.
My mom would ask me why I didn't dress like the other kids or do this or that like the other kids when I was a teenager. Then wonders why I have self esteem issues
it is literally SO common in china. and it just goes on generation after generation because it is considered perfectly normal behavior
I watched my aunts do this, they each had 2 daughters around the same time and raised them to be very close but also weirdly competitive and toxic. The girls were constantly compared to each other, especially the eldest 2 girls who grew up as basically best friends but barely speak now because of their toxic mums. It never made any sense to anyone around them as their lives and lifestyles were so different; One of the families was very well off and had very privileged lives while the other's dad spent most of the kids' childhoods in and out of prison, leaving the mum to basically be a single parent struggling to survive on benefits.
As a kid, my best friend's parents kept telling him that he should be more like me. Guess who became my enemy?
My parents used to do this but gradually stopped. When I was younger, they said things like comparing me to my neighbor. "AB is doing things like AP classes. She's in 4th grade! What are you doing?" They eventually stopped though... :)
my parents to a T. no matter what I did how good it was there was always a well your brother did *blank*. in high school I had all AP classes but one and had A's and B's consistently and aced the AP exams. but the only response I got was well your brother had all AP classes and got straight A's
Uploading your childrens videos to youtube for fame.
Im looking at you, Pinnay and Brazillian mothers.
Theres wayyyy too many videos of girls doing trendy pool stuff in YT that get scavenged by weird men.
Me too Lizz. I wish I had the power to put the Genie back in the bottle.
Load More Replies...I hate this so much. I won't even allow photos of my kids to be posted on my facebook. They can decide if they want their faces online when they are old enough
Same. There is a few floating around from like the schools Facebook. But recent situations have made me seriously consider pulling that permission.
Load More Replies...I can only imagine how many of the kids who grew up in 2010-2020s will be talking in therapy about how their parents would record them crying or yelling and laugh whenever they were upset about something.
My favorite type that I seem to gravitate toward. Telling people their emotional response is invalid or they shouldn't feel a certain way. By all the pantheons, I always find people that love pushing that into my brain, from parents to dating. Your emotions are yours. You have them for a reason. That doesn't give you the right to use them to hurt others, but you're allowed to feel. I wish younger me understood that.
It's good to understand your emotions too and not just give into them either...if they are toxic especially. Not using them to manipulate others or as an excuse for not respecting others feelings too. Like, "you just have to accept and take my moods because it's who I am and I'm allowed to feel this way" and then not working towards ways to better yourself or your relationships.
twofold - when you open up to someone and they IMMEDIATELY invalidate it by saying something like 'Oh, I'm sure it wasn't..." or... "Maybe you took it the wrong way... "... ie: they insist on telling you that your experience is wrong.... then... when you try to talk to someone else about **that**... they say "Well, they were just trying to be supportive!" That. is. not. supportive. nor. Helpful.
Whenever I've caught someone doing/saying things like these I like to ask them how they'd feel if they broke their arm and someone told them "some people don't have arms, you can't complain". EVERYONE is entitled to feel how they feel, whether that's good or bad, whether they have it better/worse than someone else. If your feelings are unhealthy, then you need to find help, but regardlessly you are still allowed to feel however you feel.
Are you older me and I’m the younger you that doesn’t understand?
Your parents programmed you this way, which is why you attract what you are used to.
This is also a thing. Like getting angry because you misunderstood what someone said or did. I snapped at my son the other day because I thought he was sneaking a lot of candy, but it turned out I was wrong about what he was doing. My emotions were a reaction to what I thought I'd seen, but he showed me that I was mistaken about it. So, I apologized for being a jerk and assuming the worst about him.
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Driving recklessly with you in the car
Driving recklessly, period. They think they're the only ones who will get hurt if they crash but no, there are other people in the other cars, you're not the main character of a racing video game.
" I drive for a living. I'm a professional. I know what I'm doing better than anyone else." Quoted by my now ex.
Gatekeeping hygiene and not teaching your child about normal hygiene and personal care. I didn’t even realize it was a common thing with narcissistic parents until recently.
To the people, who don't understand what it is. Imagine being 10-12 and still not knowing, that you need to brush your teeth every day, or wash hands. Imagine showering once a month, imagine walking around with very oily hair to the point, that you make stains on the pillow. Imagine smelling from your vagina after a weeks of not washing it, or your armpits with no deodorant after few weeks. Imagine no one told you that or showed, how to do that. Imagine then your mother laughing from you and shaming you (at 10-11 years old) that your vagina smells so bad, that people can smell it through the room. Imagine then to hear, that you are so incapable and disgusting, and that you will need her forever to help with those things. And then, when you learn the hard way about hygiene and try to take care of yourself in proper way, imagine being laughed from again, denied products, denied personal towel, denied having more underwear so you could change them and so on. And we were not poor.
This was me. Nobody taught me how to properly wash my hair or face or the like, but my father endlessly shamed me for my bad hygiene even though he had never taught me anything about it.
There's 2 extremes to this. It's common for narcissists to make their kids clean more frequently and be presentable to a ridiculous high standard to the point they will cause their kids harm. Such as getting upset their hair isn't perfectly smooth and straight, so the parent will aggressively brush their kid's hair, or even blame how they washed their hair and with whatever product. They may complain their hair doesn't feel clean enough and make the kid take another shower. The parent may go to length by humiliating an older child by making them shower with the parent there doing everything for them to make sure they are clean up to the parent's standards. On the flip side, the parent may sabotage their kid's hygiene or even how they look. I recall a time my mom passed by me, stopped to look at me and said the Spectro Gel face wash I loved was making me look too dry. My skin felt normal that day. Later she bought me a foaming face wash that destroyed my skin. She sd "that's better."
Holy s**t. My mom never taught me a lot of things including how to shave my legs, use a tampon, what direction to wipe, etc. No instruction on skincare, makeup, or other young lady things. Stuff my friends had to tell me in my late teens and early adult years. Also made to do my own laundry at 8 and I was an only child in a middle class home with 2 parents. I know how to keep a spotless house though, she sure taught me how to pass the white glove test for cleaning her house.
Altruistic Narcissism. People that do their best to be extremely helpful to everyone around them, but it's all a manipulative act. They don't actually care about you or what you go through, they just want everyone to see them in a good light.
Or they’re transactional narcissists, who keep a tally of their “good deeds” to coerce you into doing them some kind of “favor” to lay them back, usually something unpleasant and/or unsavory, to test you. It’s all a manipulation game to them, and nice people are their favorite targets. Yeah, I fell for it back in my young and gullible days. It’s why I don’t trust ANYBODY 100% anymore. However, being aware of it and knowing it’s an issue (or could be), I try not to show it, and attempt to read people better, instead of just going with what appear to be favorable first impressions but could be a finely honed act, to see if I could trust them.
Yes! My ex-husband has cerebral palsy, and I thought I'd be safe because he couldn't physically abuse me. I forgot about emotional abuse. In our marriage, I took care of the physical side of things while he took care of the business side of things and paperwork. He also helped me to finally file my VA claim for PTSD due to Military Sexual Assault. I got 100% rating and backpay. When I got him to agree to a divorce, he tried to extort $32,000 from me for his help filing my claim, or he would take me to court and keep our dog Maggie. Maggie was originally his but she has A LOT of health issues due to medical neglect from him and his ex wife. I took care of her many conditions. He didn't even want her, he'd give her to his friends to take care of. He thought I was so broken I'd cave, but he forgot that anger gives a person strength. I don't trust people anymore either. I'm obviously not a good judge of character.
Load More Replies...Goes really well with the reactive abuse mentioned above. That way everyone is convinced the person is super nice and helpful and when you finally react publicly to the poking and button pushing you experience in private, people are rushing to the defense of the abuser!
Not allowing you to leave the room by blocking the door
Commanding both parties’ finances. Not just being a breadwinner, but also shaming the other party for making purchases and/ or demanding their paycheck.
My wife and I have an all-in financial setup. Everything goes in and out of the same account, we both have full access. We get paid about 15 days apart so there is usually always something in there. And we've never had a 'my money/your money' moment. It works for us because we communicate; If I want to treat myself (which I rarely do), I'll ask if we can afford it. She has a better head for finances and I trust her judgement if she want's to treat herself, but she will often say 'I'm going to to get xyz next month, because we're a little tight this month'. It's not for everyone, but works for us.
It's more or less the same setup that my husband and I have. He makes more than me but I'm the one managing mostly our accounts (shared), the one knowing when we can afford something etc. But he has full access and knowledge about the financial situation, as I keep him updated frequently. It's years that we have this arrangement and it works, at least for us, we don't have a my money/your money moment either
Load More Replies...Both my husband and I always worked. We also always had a joint account, plus we each had our own smaller fun and gift buying accounts—-for instance, seeing a purchase on the bank statement, of something from an easily identifiable company, can certainly ruin a surprise gift. Plus, it’s nice to have money of your own. My husband and I got married when we were both about 40, first marriage for both, though we both had prior long term committed relationships, just no marriages. He lived with his longest girlfriend, I always kept my own place. So we both were basically on our own for over 20 years, and accustomed to having our own money. It works out so much better that way, at least for us.
Financial abuse is real and sadly very common. I used to work as an equal rights advocate for people with learning disabilities and one of our biggest challenges was financial abuse by partners, family members and even carers. They often claim they do it to protect the other person, but not allowing anyone access to their financies (or at least a say in how it's spent) is abusive and controlling. Most of the people I worked with just wanted to be able to buy simple things to make their lives more comfortable or enjoyable, often they just need some guidance to be able to learn budgeting and money management. Sadly families in particular would often resent the loss of control and accuse us of 'meddling' when most of the time they just wanted to steal the money and use it for themselves. It still makes me sad and angry to think of all the disabled adults trapped in the care of abusive and controlling families, who just accept it because they don't know any better.
I would want my wife to keep her earned money in a separate account for her to use at her discretion. I would trust her to contribute to the family fund when necessary. Everyone needs some feeling of independence.
My father made us move when my mother tried to get a job. He wanted her to be a housewife. She gave up and did as he wanted. He'd give her housekeeping money but was so tight with it. After a few years she would beg for it to go up - as everything else had! When he died she was shocked at how much more he was earning than she realised.
Silent treatment,
Doing/ paying something and waiting for something to return, make a person feel guilty about it,
Don’t make a promise you can’t keep
I will be silent sometimes because I don't want to say things in anger. When I talk, I want to be rational and thoughtful. That is why when my kids were little and had done something wrong, I would send them to their rooms first. I wanted to be able to hear them and discuss next actions, including consequences, rationally. Nothing ever came out of nowhere, it was discussed and consistent.
This. Being angry and not wanting to talk to a person " right now" because you are angry is not stonewalling.
Load More Replies...Making people feel guilty for something a person can’t control. My dad did this constantly.
It pisses me off when my mom treats me like I'm lazy when my brain just isn't functioning at a level that allows me to do schoolwork. I don't have control over my hormones, thoughts, nerve signals, and emotions, and I can't just get back to work. Sometimes I simply cannot do it, and I'd like her to acknowledge that.
Are you me? Is your mother my mother as well? I'm so sorry you're going through the same thing I am, it sucks 💕
Load More Replies...Is this like a wetting the bed thing, or something deeper? Genuine question, I'm just trying to learn.
Yes. That is definitely a good example. Another would be if someone wrecked into your car and your SO or whoever is making you feel bad for having to give you a ride to work so you won't get fired. There's a lot of situations that can fall under this.
Load More Replies...Mine too. I am sorry I didn’t turn out to be the blue-eyed blonde haired daughter you wanted, but brown eyes and light brown hair run hard on both sides of the family. My mother has four sons before I came along. All of the boys were born with that wispy blonde baby hair. I, on the other hand, was born with a full head of dark brown curly hair. She almost didn’t think I was her baby because I was born so dark. What can I say? My father’s side of the family is Eastern European, and I take after them way more than her German/English side. Remember that stuff called “Sun-In” that you sprayed on your hair before sunbathing? It basically accelerated the sun-bleaching of your hair. The blonde color wasn’t all that great, it my mother used to absolutely drench my hair in that s**t when I was a kid, because she was so desperate to have a blonde daughter. S****y to have your mother never accept you for something you couldn’t help, like your DNA, which is half her own fault, ffs.
Load More Replies...Do emotions count? People say I should be able to control my emotions and I can, but I can’t.
Educational Neglect at home.
By the kind of people who should NEVER be allowed to homeschool. People who barely graduated high school, even some dropouts without GEDs, who never put foot on a college campus, and they think they’re more qualified than the educated and certified teachers in the local public school (mostly MAGAt types to boot). Cripes, I feel sorry for the kids. Now, if the parents are qualified, or if they hire a qualified online teacher to teach a group of homeschooled children, I can see it working, and the kids being easily able to keep up with, and possibly surpass, the kids sitting in a classroom.
Load More Replies...toxic positivity and love bombing
wait what it is this bc I try to be positive w my friends and I tell them I love them a lot so I might be doing this by accident EDIT: Ok so I google and thats not what im doing C:
Stonewalling a partner.
Genuine question, how are the majority of these "under the guise of caring"? It's a list of horrible manipulation
Because abusive parents/partners will do many of these things while claiming it's for your own good, because they love you, etc.
Load More Replies...I put this on a earlier one but I have more to add and I meant to put it here Wait so what if my parents and I are in an argument. I start to cry or tear up but my mom starts to say she should be crying because of "insert what I did wrong" is this like this. She says I am faking it but I don't think I am since I have a hard time crying. Also she says I don't do anything but I say something that I help out with she says that " I'm saying the few times that I have done it" not verbatim but something along those lines. Is this not healthy???
no one has the right to tell you what to feel or judge whether your emotions are real or not. you have, had and will always have the right to be angry, cry, laugh or be happy and sing along. or just lie down and stare at the ceiling if you just feel like it. parents should know how to manage their emotions and teach their children, not the other way around. claiming that you have no reason to cry and that the real victim is your mom and you have to focus on her feelings is toxic and manipulative.
Load More Replies...20 years being a "strong male", when in fact i was gaslit and manipulated into doing all the work and providing constant emotional support. Been single for 10 years because I can;t bear the idea of being with anyone again. So much possible joy missing from my life because I tried too hard to be a good husband, and didn;t realise I was being used. 20 years...
When you say your sorry or something and they say "sure you are," even when you've proven it. Or when a parent uses something you've said as a excuse. I personally have reay bad memory loss, and my mom uses it as a excuse, or tries to brush it off as something else. Oh, also, smoking round a kid 24/7.
Genuine question, how are the majority of these "under the guise of caring"? It's a list of horrible manipulation
Because abusive parents/partners will do many of these things while claiming it's for your own good, because they love you, etc.
Load More Replies...I put this on a earlier one but I have more to add and I meant to put it here Wait so what if my parents and I are in an argument. I start to cry or tear up but my mom starts to say she should be crying because of "insert what I did wrong" is this like this. She says I am faking it but I don't think I am since I have a hard time crying. Also she says I don't do anything but I say something that I help out with she says that " I'm saying the few times that I have done it" not verbatim but something along those lines. Is this not healthy???
no one has the right to tell you what to feel or judge whether your emotions are real or not. you have, had and will always have the right to be angry, cry, laugh or be happy and sing along. or just lie down and stare at the ceiling if you just feel like it. parents should know how to manage their emotions and teach their children, not the other way around. claiming that you have no reason to cry and that the real victim is your mom and you have to focus on her feelings is toxic and manipulative.
Load More Replies...20 years being a "strong male", when in fact i was gaslit and manipulated into doing all the work and providing constant emotional support. Been single for 10 years because I can;t bear the idea of being with anyone again. So much possible joy missing from my life because I tried too hard to be a good husband, and didn;t realise I was being used. 20 years...
When you say your sorry or something and they say "sure you are," even when you've proven it. Or when a parent uses something you've said as a excuse. I personally have reay bad memory loss, and my mom uses it as a excuse, or tries to brush it off as something else. Oh, also, smoking round a kid 24/7.
