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Guy Shares How Fixing His Teeth Changed His Life, Explains Why Dental Care Should Be Affordable
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Guy Shares How Fixing His Teeth Changed His Life, Explains Why Dental Care Should Be Affordable

Guy Shares How Fixing His Teeth Changed His Life, Explains Why Dental Care Should Be AffordableMan Shares How Fixing His Teeth Changed His Life In A Sincere ThreadGuy Shares How Fixing His Teeth Changed His Life In An Honest Thread About Dental Care, Being Poor And DepressionGuy Shares How Fixing His Teeth Changed His Life And How Dental Care Is Connected With Mental HealthImportant Thread Explains Why Dental Care Should Be Accessible To All PeopleGuy Who Grew Up Poor Explains How Having Bad Teeth Made Him Depressed, Wants Government To Make It More AffordableGuy Who Finally Fixed His Teeth Says Dental Care Should Be Accessible To EveryoneGuy Shares How Fixing His Teeth Helped With Self-Esteem And Depression, Says It Should Be Accessible To EveryoneGuy Shares How Finally Fixing His Teeth Helped With Self-Esteem And Depression In Viral Thread
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They say it only takes 7 seconds to make a first impression and if you ask for advice on how to make the best impression it always includes a smile. Studies have shown that teeth are one of the standout features people remember when first meeting someone. In one study developed by Kelton Research, they found “Americans perceive people with straight teeth to have more desirable qualities than those with crooked teeth, including attributes such as being happy, surrounded by loved ones, and professionally successful.”

The answer to a more attractive and confident set of pearly whites may seem like an easy fix to some – but not for everyone. Medicaid, the federal-state health insurance program in the U.S, barely covers most dental-related costs. To help people get the full scope of this issue, twitter user Jon Torsch shared a thread on how much lack of access to dental care had affected his life and affects others.

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Political organizer Jon Torsch took to Twitter to highlight why dental care should be included in all federal-state healthcare insurance programs, by sharing his own story

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Torsch included old photos in the thread to highlight his point

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The writer also shared an image of his new and improved grin

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Industry statistics reported that approximately 23 percent of Americans have no dental coverage, which translates to about 74 million people in the U.S – the simple reason? Cost. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported more than a third of American adults haven’t seen a dental professional in the past year and the American Dental Association, found 40 percent of adults who didn’t visit a dentist in the past year said they didn’t go because of cost.

People in the comments agreed with his point and even shared their own stories

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IAmWhoIAm
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I grew up with a severe open bite, making it so that I could not eat things like an apple, a slice of pizza, or a cupcake. My bite simply didn't close enough to bite into things like that and tear bites off. I also had a crossbite, crooked teeth, and really low self esteem. When I was a child, I hated pizza parties because I wanted to eat a slice like everyone else but had to tear it apart with my fingers, as if I was a baby playing with my food. (unless plasticware was present but usually isn't for such events) As an adult with my first "real" job, I found myself avoiding eating lunch with my coworkers-for 5 years I ate alone. Not only did I not want to deal with situations like us having pizza, but I knew food was get awkwardly stuck in my crooked teeth and I had so many foods that required a fork. (cupcakes, sandwiches, etc.) At the age of 28, I finally had a job with insurance but was now told I was too old for insurance to cover braces. At 29, I paid over $5000.00 for braces.

IAmWhoIAm
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

continued....I'm so glad I did pay for those braces but at that point, I struggled paying for them while trying to pay off my college education. Also, theres some seriously uncomfortable comments that you receive as a 30+ year old with very noticeable braces. Even my stepchildren, whom I love, made and still make comments about how they don't want to end up as a 30 year old with braces. My husband is trying to make sure they don't have to suffer that embarrassment as well. While its great to finally be able to eat like a normal person, it sucks to have waited to a point where you have become a "lesson learned" for someone else.

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redheadwahine
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a severe overjet and misalignment that will require jaw surgery to fix. My lower jaw is receding further every year due to my teeth lining up improperly and wearing away at an accelerated rate to the point that my face shape has completely changed and my lower teeth now dig into the roof of my mouth when my jaw is at rest. The kicker here is that in order to prep my teeth for the jaw surgery (that is medically necessary and covered almost completely by my health insurance), I have to first get braces which given my most recent quote will cost me just shy of $10K out of pocket in California. Since I'm over the age of 24 (I'll be 30 next month), my dental plan covers absolutely no orthodontic procedures or appointments. It boggles my mind how the jaw surgery is covered, but the pre-requisite for said surgery is not.

Brandy Grote
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Contact a medical school near you. I know UCLA in Los Angeles has a low cost dental program.

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Karin Morris
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your teeth originally weren't as bad as you think. You look wonderful now, but you could have smiled all those years and many people would have never noticed. I understand though. I had all my teeth crowned and my total dentist bill is over 25k

Helen Haley
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People notice. People always notice teeth. It is not only limiting socially but professionally. You will be seen as more incompetent, and lower class.

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Sanne H.
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even though I understand why he wanted to have better teeth, the "before" picture doesn't look that bad, actually.

Non-New-Toni-An
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In England the before teeth are common. Such a procedure would be considered vain and unnecessary. My teeth are yellow but If rather spend my money on other things than whitening. It's ok if you're rich but poor ppl shouldn't be wasting money on expensive procedures.

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Id row
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But where do you draw the line? What if someone comes in and says their teeth need to be whiter so they won't feel so depressed? Will it cover vanity procedures such as this? And I was expecting his teeth to be MUCH worse in the before pic than they were. I thought there would be rotting and/or missing teeth. Now that, I agree, should be covered for health reasons if nothing more. Bad teeth can lead to heart disease. But if you're just looking to have them straightened or whitened, then no, that should not be free. And if you're that mentally messed up from crooked teeth, then you need a therapist because there's more going on there than just crooked teeth.

Janine B.
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad he feels better now. But still I don't understand why he felt so uncomfortable before. He looked cute and unique. No need to be ashamed. I'm tired of people having the same teeth and the same faces nowadays.

Amanda Reicha
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish Medicare covered dental. I waited until I was 39 to get my 2 wisdom teeth pulled because I'm on disability and can't afford it. The pain and problems made the decision for my husband and I to pay the $900 on credit card payments. I have a lot of medical work that needs to be done with my teeth. It's sad they don't think of teeth as health care.

Kristy P
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This happened to me. I had some old fillings fall out and needed crowns and I had a chipped front tooth.. but no dental insurance. I lost my smile. It's embarrassing to have tooth issues. Once I finally got dental insurance, I got everything fixed (with a heft co pay, but worth it) and got my smile back! XD

HoffLensMetalHedLovesAnimalsUK
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel lucky reading this, over here this would have been sorted when he was a child or teenager at the latest.

Mita Ghosh
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And then we have this Korean beauty trend of crooked teeth. You aren't supposed to be ashamed buddy, you just live in the wrong place...🤦🤦🤦

Brandy Grote
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dental, vision, and hearing is rarely covered in most health care plans, yet we require those items to function on almost any job!

Israel Martinez
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I spent years since elementary school with two broken teeth ... as they kept rotting, I was never able to get my finances up to fix them ... it wasn't until 2014 that I was finally able to do so with the help of a client (dental surgeon I did IT work for) ... now, instead of just smiling, I smile widely ... they're a bit uneven, but at least there's not spaces that I will feel ashamed of showing ... after hearing remarks like "do you gargle with acid," it takes its toll ...

Anna Ledwońska
Community Member
5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im' 47 and I will have my bracers (it will bite me - pun not intended - financially heavily) and I really need them because of severe overbite which worsened over time and it is last moment I get them, I would do that earlier but seriously dentist from another country first told me about my problem. Others didn't say anything only took money from repairing broken front teeth, which is caused by bite issue... I also worry about ppl reaction. And I would be even more ugly than I am for time being. It is an issue because I have depression and low self esteem because I am fat and in my country I am object of riddicule even by family. But I will try to be strong.

Jennifer Prescott
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I couldn't afford braces until I was 31. I had partial coverage which helped, and paid the remaining $2k out of pocket. After living with a cross bite for my entire life, and seeing it get worse and worse, I knew I had to do something. It changed my life! It gave me confidence and I don't feel held back by my appearance. It's really not just cosmetic.

Billy Beecham
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I lost all of my teeth at 19. Not for lack of taking care of them, either. I refuse to wear the dentures. I haven't had teeth, or worn the dentures for 28 years. Nobody even notices I don't have teeth. I really don't give a toss what people think, I just go on with life. Don't let things get ya so down.

Zelda Blue
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents couldn't afford braces for me when I was growing up. My first job out of high school I took mainly because they had dental insurance. I paid for my own braces and even had them on when I got married. I agree with you that dental insurance should be better and should cover orthodontics as well.

Aidar Nurtakanov
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

they overcharge, no doubt. One guy wrote he had 3D-printed his own aligners several times and it cost him around $50. So, screw greedy industry - make your smile better yourself. I'm sure there's stuff on youtube or elsewhere you can learn from.

Marcellus the Third
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, but if that guy does the same & tries to sell them, he'll get sued into the ground by somebody. A large part of the cost goes in double- triple- xxtuple- testing, accreditation, and then insurance. And then it may still go wrong (see: silicon breast implants).

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Full Name
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry homie, but dental care is not mental care. I mean it get what you're saying, but should I get hair transplants for free because I'm really embarrassed that I'm losing my hair? How far do we take it?

Pittsburgh rare
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry, but it's not at all comparable. You can cover your bald head with hats, turbans or even wigs. You can even look good in them. But there's no way you can hide one of your main facial features unless you never smile. And, as you probably know, there's a direct correlation between your smile (even self-induced) and your state of mind.

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Foxxy
Community Member
5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dental care and treatment is expensive in Australia too. I have horrible teeth, they are crooked, discoloured, terrible wisdom teeth and I also have hypercalcification. I need to have my bottom wisdom teeth pulled out in an actual hospital coz it is quite a complicated surgery. If I didn’t have health insurance and went private it would cost me $3500. With private health insurance it would cost me $115 a month. I can’t access major dental cover for 12 months. It also only covers me for $700 worth of dental treatment. So Inwuod actually be worse off with insurance than without. Thankfully because I am a low income earner I have access to government dental services. I just had my 2 top wisdom teeth removed and cost me less than $50. I am having a special dental clean to get rid of excess calcification, some fillings and the total is costing me no more than $158. My hubby hardly smiles coz he doesn’t like his teeth, I used to but now I am at the point where I just don’t care.

sharron lynn parsons
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Canada, the dental cost is ludicrous, I have no coverage, a few years ago I had an unexpected toothache, it was a cracked wisdom tooth, on a weekend of course, to find help from excruciating pain, to pull the tooth because of the weekend, it took one apt, for a temporary fix, then Monday different clinic, total cost, several hundred dollars !!!

Ann Abdelzaher
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I admit I have crooked teeth but I never let it bother me. I was told when I was young I should have braces but I didn't want them and my parents didn't push the issue. Not only do I have a severe under-bite but I have one tooth that is obviously crooked and the one next to it is further back but what is amusing is my husband has the exact same issue but on the opposite side of his mouth :) That being said my son is 11 and has braces now but mainly because he had an impacted tooth.

Helen Haley
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If your bite is messed up, you can lose teeth, erode them, it can give you headaches, cause poor nutrition, teeth are far more than cosmetic. It will limit you socially, professionally, you will automatically be assumed to be poor, or from poor people (and all the classism that goes with it). A few crooked teeth are one thing, but a decent bite and straight teeth mean a lot. I have an overbite, overjet, my bottom teeth are eroding the back of my top teeth. My top teeth are pulling my lip and gums away from my bottom teeth. My teeth don't close properly, which means chewing is both painful and disgustingly noisy. So please, before you get all high and mighty about how this is unnecessary, think it through and maybe have some compassion. The only thing that could help my teeth is 6k in bracing and 10k in surgery, I will never have that money.

Eleni Laws
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Same in the UK, NHS covers fillings and stuff, still a fee. But anything deemed cosmetic is stupid money!

kkathleen517
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He thinks his teeth are bad? I would love to have his teeth. I really know what it's like to never smile in pictures, I am uncomfortable just talking to a person, if I could hold my hand over my mouth when I spoke I with out looking crazy I would l d do it all the time. It is an awful thing to deal with, its humiliating and you lose almost all self confidence. I never talk about it with anyone ever because it's so embarrassing and mainly because talking about it brings attention to it. It's so expensive to fix them, it's become like some fantastic untouchable thing that I dream or fantasize about. It is just awful.

Michelle Williams
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Celiac has ruined my once great teeth. It started with shocking news for two molars being pulled, I wasn't doing root canals and crowns. A few years later a front tooth sheared off, now I got a cap. Then they found I had 11 cavities! I was crying. Then I found out I had celiac and it destroys many peoples teeth. Since then and 11k later I have many fillings. Another crown, an implant and another molar being pulled since it cracked in half, another filing and another implant planned. I cannot afford all this. I am think of not 'saving' one more tooth and get dentures. It's very depressing.

okpkpkp
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The girls in my family got the dental work and braces, the boys got nothing.

Ildiko Okido
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can relate. I had braces when I was 12-14 years old, but still never had straight teeth. Now I'm 48 years old and on the 30th of september I'm getting braces again. So is my (then) 13 year old son. Can't wait!

Steve Cruz
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad for Jon. Being able to express himself without being guarded against revealing his teeth OR wondering if people were judging him because of ugly teeth, will be liberating. Just a reminder that countries with universal health care INCLUDE dental and vision.

Mo Poppins
Community Member
5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think ARTISTS (esp.sculptors or those who make 3-D objects) could be part-time cosmetic dentists. 🦷 Think about it...it’s within their skill set (steady hands, either already know anatomy or can learn it), they get to make a myriad mouths pretty, AND they’ll always have enough funds to indulge in their art. Reduce the # of starving artists! Even if cosmetic dentistry were priced affordably, everyone wins. I would totally go to a home dentist practice, if they had a known reputation for being skilled, hygienic, etc., and if these part-time artists/dentists had some sort of certification, even better for the skeptics. It’d be easy to create the standards and criteria to establish their competency. I’m telling you...this could be an emerging market!

AnnieLaurie Burke
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Besides all the reasons most people know for orthodontia and correction of dental problems, people should be aware that dental issues can lead to cardiac and cognitive problems. And shame on the US "medical" system, that makes people buy vision and dental policies separate from their "health" insurance. Most people I've met in my 73 years are like me -- their mouths and eyes are part of their bodies. Kudos to you, Jon (you are gorgeous!), for taking care of your health and sharing your story. There are a lot of us that, like Jon, didn't get proper dental care as kids. It's never too late!

Danielle Holder
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Def know how he feels. I have a fang and literally cannot smile anymore. Decades of closed lip smiles has left me unable to form a teeth showing smile. Not sure if the muscles just don't know what to do...*shrug. Tried the whole pencil in mouth thing...doesn't work.

Linda Something
Community Member
5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had retainers for 2 years when I was 12. My teeth then started to move back to the original positions and I felt bad over my right front tooth especially, as it had been pushed forward and upwards. Every morning for years I woke up in the morning and felt with my tongue and thought "It wasn't a dream". It came to a point where I felt bad over meeting new people or look for new jobs, because "what would people think of me". I'm happily married, and my husband never said anything negative about my teeth, but after feeling this for so long I just had to do something about it. For myself and my happiness and of course my husband supported my decision. Every photo taken of me the first thought was "how much does it show?". Now my smile looks so good that I almost can't recognize my own teeth/smile in photos and I love smiling now! There was a lot of money spent on this, but it is worth so much more in the end because my mental health was getting affected by it. It was done last year and I am 34 now.

Charles Wu
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I grew up with severe teeth problems. It was misaligned, frail and discolored (yellow, and permanent), due to antibiotics medication I took when I was a toddle. Spent all teenage until college life with low self-esteem but not caring about it. Then when I was 26, got a brace for 1 year, then a permanent crown for all the teeth except 6 teeth (the 4 lower incisors and 2 canines) just to remind me how important dental care is.

D. Pitbull
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was born with an underbite that was so severe that it was essentially an open bite, just like IAmWhoIAm - same issues, couldn't eat "thin" foods or anything that required incising. What are the pitfalls? Kids and adults all alike, constantly bullying you (not teasing. Outright BULLYING) "You think you're BETTER than us, that's why you use a knife and fork for your pizza, that's why you won't order a burger!" etc. which they then use an excuse to do horrible things because it gives them a reason to "justify" their actions. You don't get hired for jobs because they hiring person automatically thinks you're "making a face" at them the ENTIRE INTERVIEW (sorry. yeah, I really can't unhinge my jaw and make it "go back") 2.) even the people who call themselves your 'friends' accuse you of just "wanting attention" ... because for some reason they (who have nearly perfect bites/teeth) think that you can just magically REARRANGE your bone structure. (1/2)

D. Pitbull
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

(cont'd) Then the REAL kicker. There are such things as dental plans. There is sometimes, in a good extended health package, some coverage for orthodontics... but if you need your JAW BROKEN AND RESET to fix a bite, so you can eat normally, talk without a lisp, etc. etc. ... oh, see, now it's "cosmetic" - so pay up out of pocket buddy.

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Blondhorsecrazy
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that teeth can make or break a person's feelings of self worth. My adult son is a handsome young man, but he is now missing his front tooth (in his teens he was in a bike accident & the dentist he seen was worthless so the dental work never lasted). He is so self conscious about his teeth & will shy away when approached by a female because hes afraid of what they think. Ive tried to set up appointment for him & even offered to pay half the costs but he says he can't afford the $3000+ (total the estimate would be close to $8-10k). I worry because my family has herditary dental issues. I hope he understands how important teeth is & let's me help him soon. I know it would give him his confidence back.

Non-New-Toni-An
Community Member
5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand why some ppl go for cosmetic procedures but at the end of the day his teeth were fine and it's a shame he had low self esteem. No one should feel shame over their own body. All that money spent when he could have had counselling and learned to love himself instead. Its a shame such procedures are becoming the norm.

Russian Otaku
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame usa is dumb as f**k to certain western values like health care

Emily Keryk
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

2 weeks ago my dentist told me I need braces, the cheaper alternative being removal of the tooth and 2 others would fall out as a result. I chose the latter. 2 days ago my vet told me I need to spend approx $2000 on my dogs teeth which I HAVE to do. The f*****g irony....!

Jus
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents paid for my braces when I was a child. We've got free health insurance in my country, but when it comes to teeth, it covers only the four most front ones and the cheapest filling. My braces were removable, I think cheaper than the permanent ones. My teeth are still not perfect, but I don't mind. I like natural teeth and I have never bleached them. I loved David Bowie's crooked teeth. Too straight and too white teeth freak me out. Some people look like cyborgs.

Ula
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People ortodoncy it is about better looks, but it is really about regaining your confidance.

Anna Ledwońska
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will have bracers because of dangerous bite issue which causes my front teeth breaking :(

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Klaudia
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a gap in between my front two teeth - around 4mm wide. I haven't smiled with my teeth showing since I was about 8 and until I get braces and close the gap up I will never smile like a normal person.

Cathy Thomas
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many actors, musicians and other public figures have gaps in their teeth. Many people ( including myself) find this to be an attractive feature. Don’t be afraid to smile, make it your signature!

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Sherry
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So he thinks someone like me that proudly works three jobs and pays my way in life, needs to work harder so I can pay more taxes to have HIS teeth fixed. What an idiot he is. He is young and very capable of working to pay his own way, but instead becomes a "political organizer" so he can get me to pay for it by stealing from me!!! Get off of your lazy bottom and get a second job and pay for it yourself! I had bad teeth for a good many years of my life and when I grew up, I worked another job so I could pay to have them fixed.

Ben Smith
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think fixing that facial hair should have been step one, yikes.

sh
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So tired of all of the world's problems being blamed on capitalism. Over-regulation, insurance companies, greed, and corruption are the problems. Crony-capitalism is THE problem.

IAmWhoIAm
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I grew up with a severe open bite, making it so that I could not eat things like an apple, a slice of pizza, or a cupcake. My bite simply didn't close enough to bite into things like that and tear bites off. I also had a crossbite, crooked teeth, and really low self esteem. When I was a child, I hated pizza parties because I wanted to eat a slice like everyone else but had to tear it apart with my fingers, as if I was a baby playing with my food. (unless plasticware was present but usually isn't for such events) As an adult with my first "real" job, I found myself avoiding eating lunch with my coworkers-for 5 years I ate alone. Not only did I not want to deal with situations like us having pizza, but I knew food was get awkwardly stuck in my crooked teeth and I had so many foods that required a fork. (cupcakes, sandwiches, etc.) At the age of 28, I finally had a job with insurance but was now told I was too old for insurance to cover braces. At 29, I paid over $5000.00 for braces.

IAmWhoIAm
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

continued....I'm so glad I did pay for those braces but at that point, I struggled paying for them while trying to pay off my college education. Also, theres some seriously uncomfortable comments that you receive as a 30+ year old with very noticeable braces. Even my stepchildren, whom I love, made and still make comments about how they don't want to end up as a 30 year old with braces. My husband is trying to make sure they don't have to suffer that embarrassment as well. While its great to finally be able to eat like a normal person, it sucks to have waited to a point where you have become a "lesson learned" for someone else.

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redheadwahine
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a severe overjet and misalignment that will require jaw surgery to fix. My lower jaw is receding further every year due to my teeth lining up improperly and wearing away at an accelerated rate to the point that my face shape has completely changed and my lower teeth now dig into the roof of my mouth when my jaw is at rest. The kicker here is that in order to prep my teeth for the jaw surgery (that is medically necessary and covered almost completely by my health insurance), I have to first get braces which given my most recent quote will cost me just shy of $10K out of pocket in California. Since I'm over the age of 24 (I'll be 30 next month), my dental plan covers absolutely no orthodontic procedures or appointments. It boggles my mind how the jaw surgery is covered, but the pre-requisite for said surgery is not.

Brandy Grote
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Contact a medical school near you. I know UCLA in Los Angeles has a low cost dental program.

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Karin Morris
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your teeth originally weren't as bad as you think. You look wonderful now, but you could have smiled all those years and many people would have never noticed. I understand though. I had all my teeth crowned and my total dentist bill is over 25k

Helen Haley
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People notice. People always notice teeth. It is not only limiting socially but professionally. You will be seen as more incompetent, and lower class.

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Sanne H.
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even though I understand why he wanted to have better teeth, the "before" picture doesn't look that bad, actually.

Non-New-Toni-An
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In England the before teeth are common. Such a procedure would be considered vain and unnecessary. My teeth are yellow but If rather spend my money on other things than whitening. It's ok if you're rich but poor ppl shouldn't be wasting money on expensive procedures.

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Id row
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But where do you draw the line? What if someone comes in and says their teeth need to be whiter so they won't feel so depressed? Will it cover vanity procedures such as this? And I was expecting his teeth to be MUCH worse in the before pic than they were. I thought there would be rotting and/or missing teeth. Now that, I agree, should be covered for health reasons if nothing more. Bad teeth can lead to heart disease. But if you're just looking to have them straightened or whitened, then no, that should not be free. And if you're that mentally messed up from crooked teeth, then you need a therapist because there's more going on there than just crooked teeth.

Janine B.
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad he feels better now. But still I don't understand why he felt so uncomfortable before. He looked cute and unique. No need to be ashamed. I'm tired of people having the same teeth and the same faces nowadays.

Amanda Reicha
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish Medicare covered dental. I waited until I was 39 to get my 2 wisdom teeth pulled because I'm on disability and can't afford it. The pain and problems made the decision for my husband and I to pay the $900 on credit card payments. I have a lot of medical work that needs to be done with my teeth. It's sad they don't think of teeth as health care.

Kristy P
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This happened to me. I had some old fillings fall out and needed crowns and I had a chipped front tooth.. but no dental insurance. I lost my smile. It's embarrassing to have tooth issues. Once I finally got dental insurance, I got everything fixed (with a heft co pay, but worth it) and got my smile back! XD

HoffLensMetalHedLovesAnimalsUK
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel lucky reading this, over here this would have been sorted when he was a child or teenager at the latest.

Mita Ghosh
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And then we have this Korean beauty trend of crooked teeth. You aren't supposed to be ashamed buddy, you just live in the wrong place...🤦🤦🤦

Brandy Grote
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dental, vision, and hearing is rarely covered in most health care plans, yet we require those items to function on almost any job!

Israel Martinez
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I spent years since elementary school with two broken teeth ... as they kept rotting, I was never able to get my finances up to fix them ... it wasn't until 2014 that I was finally able to do so with the help of a client (dental surgeon I did IT work for) ... now, instead of just smiling, I smile widely ... they're a bit uneven, but at least there's not spaces that I will feel ashamed of showing ... after hearing remarks like "do you gargle with acid," it takes its toll ...

Anna Ledwońska
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im' 47 and I will have my bracers (it will bite me - pun not intended - financially heavily) and I really need them because of severe overbite which worsened over time and it is last moment I get them, I would do that earlier but seriously dentist from another country first told me about my problem. Others didn't say anything only took money from repairing broken front teeth, which is caused by bite issue... I also worry about ppl reaction. And I would be even more ugly than I am for time being. It is an issue because I have depression and low self esteem because I am fat and in my country I am object of riddicule even by family. But I will try to be strong.

Jennifer Prescott
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I couldn't afford braces until I was 31. I had partial coverage which helped, and paid the remaining $2k out of pocket. After living with a cross bite for my entire life, and seeing it get worse and worse, I knew I had to do something. It changed my life! It gave me confidence and I don't feel held back by my appearance. It's really not just cosmetic.

Billy Beecham
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I lost all of my teeth at 19. Not for lack of taking care of them, either. I refuse to wear the dentures. I haven't had teeth, or worn the dentures for 28 years. Nobody even notices I don't have teeth. I really don't give a toss what people think, I just go on with life. Don't let things get ya so down.

Zelda Blue
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents couldn't afford braces for me when I was growing up. My first job out of high school I took mainly because they had dental insurance. I paid for my own braces and even had them on when I got married. I agree with you that dental insurance should be better and should cover orthodontics as well.

Aidar Nurtakanov
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

they overcharge, no doubt. One guy wrote he had 3D-printed his own aligners several times and it cost him around $50. So, screw greedy industry - make your smile better yourself. I'm sure there's stuff on youtube or elsewhere you can learn from.

Marcellus the Third
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, but if that guy does the same & tries to sell them, he'll get sued into the ground by somebody. A large part of the cost goes in double- triple- xxtuple- testing, accreditation, and then insurance. And then it may still go wrong (see: silicon breast implants).

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Full Name
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry homie, but dental care is not mental care. I mean it get what you're saying, but should I get hair transplants for free because I'm really embarrassed that I'm losing my hair? How far do we take it?

Pittsburgh rare
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry, but it's not at all comparable. You can cover your bald head with hats, turbans or even wigs. You can even look good in them. But there's no way you can hide one of your main facial features unless you never smile. And, as you probably know, there's a direct correlation between your smile (even self-induced) and your state of mind.

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Foxxy
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dental care and treatment is expensive in Australia too. I have horrible teeth, they are crooked, discoloured, terrible wisdom teeth and I also have hypercalcification. I need to have my bottom wisdom teeth pulled out in an actual hospital coz it is quite a complicated surgery. If I didn’t have health insurance and went private it would cost me $3500. With private health insurance it would cost me $115 a month. I can’t access major dental cover for 12 months. It also only covers me for $700 worth of dental treatment. So Inwuod actually be worse off with insurance than without. Thankfully because I am a low income earner I have access to government dental services. I just had my 2 top wisdom teeth removed and cost me less than $50. I am having a special dental clean to get rid of excess calcification, some fillings and the total is costing me no more than $158. My hubby hardly smiles coz he doesn’t like his teeth, I used to but now I am at the point where I just don’t care.

sharron lynn parsons
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Canada, the dental cost is ludicrous, I have no coverage, a few years ago I had an unexpected toothache, it was a cracked wisdom tooth, on a weekend of course, to find help from excruciating pain, to pull the tooth because of the weekend, it took one apt, for a temporary fix, then Monday different clinic, total cost, several hundred dollars !!!

Ann Abdelzaher
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I admit I have crooked teeth but I never let it bother me. I was told when I was young I should have braces but I didn't want them and my parents didn't push the issue. Not only do I have a severe under-bite but I have one tooth that is obviously crooked and the one next to it is further back but what is amusing is my husband has the exact same issue but on the opposite side of his mouth :) That being said my son is 11 and has braces now but mainly because he had an impacted tooth.

Helen Haley
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If your bite is messed up, you can lose teeth, erode them, it can give you headaches, cause poor nutrition, teeth are far more than cosmetic. It will limit you socially, professionally, you will automatically be assumed to be poor, or from poor people (and all the classism that goes with it). A few crooked teeth are one thing, but a decent bite and straight teeth mean a lot. I have an overbite, overjet, my bottom teeth are eroding the back of my top teeth. My top teeth are pulling my lip and gums away from my bottom teeth. My teeth don't close properly, which means chewing is both painful and disgustingly noisy. So please, before you get all high and mighty about how this is unnecessary, think it through and maybe have some compassion. The only thing that could help my teeth is 6k in bracing and 10k in surgery, I will never have that money.

Eleni Laws
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Same in the UK, NHS covers fillings and stuff, still a fee. But anything deemed cosmetic is stupid money!

kkathleen517
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He thinks his teeth are bad? I would love to have his teeth. I really know what it's like to never smile in pictures, I am uncomfortable just talking to a person, if I could hold my hand over my mouth when I spoke I with out looking crazy I would l d do it all the time. It is an awful thing to deal with, its humiliating and you lose almost all self confidence. I never talk about it with anyone ever because it's so embarrassing and mainly because talking about it brings attention to it. It's so expensive to fix them, it's become like some fantastic untouchable thing that I dream or fantasize about. It is just awful.

Michelle Williams
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Celiac has ruined my once great teeth. It started with shocking news for two molars being pulled, I wasn't doing root canals and crowns. A few years later a front tooth sheared off, now I got a cap. Then they found I had 11 cavities! I was crying. Then I found out I had celiac and it destroys many peoples teeth. Since then and 11k later I have many fillings. Another crown, an implant and another molar being pulled since it cracked in half, another filing and another implant planned. I cannot afford all this. I am think of not 'saving' one more tooth and get dentures. It's very depressing.

okpkpkp
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The girls in my family got the dental work and braces, the boys got nothing.

Ildiko Okido
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can relate. I had braces when I was 12-14 years old, but still never had straight teeth. Now I'm 48 years old and on the 30th of september I'm getting braces again. So is my (then) 13 year old son. Can't wait!

Steve Cruz
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm glad for Jon. Being able to express himself without being guarded against revealing his teeth OR wondering if people were judging him because of ugly teeth, will be liberating. Just a reminder that countries with universal health care INCLUDE dental and vision.

Mo Poppins
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think ARTISTS (esp.sculptors or those who make 3-D objects) could be part-time cosmetic dentists. 🦷 Think about it...it’s within their skill set (steady hands, either already know anatomy or can learn it), they get to make a myriad mouths pretty, AND they’ll always have enough funds to indulge in their art. Reduce the # of starving artists! Even if cosmetic dentistry were priced affordably, everyone wins. I would totally go to a home dentist practice, if they had a known reputation for being skilled, hygienic, etc., and if these part-time artists/dentists had some sort of certification, even better for the skeptics. It’d be easy to create the standards and criteria to establish their competency. I’m telling you...this could be an emerging market!

AnnieLaurie Burke
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Besides all the reasons most people know for orthodontia and correction of dental problems, people should be aware that dental issues can lead to cardiac and cognitive problems. And shame on the US "medical" system, that makes people buy vision and dental policies separate from their "health" insurance. Most people I've met in my 73 years are like me -- their mouths and eyes are part of their bodies. Kudos to you, Jon (you are gorgeous!), for taking care of your health and sharing your story. There are a lot of us that, like Jon, didn't get proper dental care as kids. It's never too late!

Danielle Holder
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Def know how he feels. I have a fang and literally cannot smile anymore. Decades of closed lip smiles has left me unable to form a teeth showing smile. Not sure if the muscles just don't know what to do...*shrug. Tried the whole pencil in mouth thing...doesn't work.

Linda Something
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had retainers for 2 years when I was 12. My teeth then started to move back to the original positions and I felt bad over my right front tooth especially, as it had been pushed forward and upwards. Every morning for years I woke up in the morning and felt with my tongue and thought "It wasn't a dream". It came to a point where I felt bad over meeting new people or look for new jobs, because "what would people think of me". I'm happily married, and my husband never said anything negative about my teeth, but after feeling this for so long I just had to do something about it. For myself and my happiness and of course my husband supported my decision. Every photo taken of me the first thought was "how much does it show?". Now my smile looks so good that I almost can't recognize my own teeth/smile in photos and I love smiling now! There was a lot of money spent on this, but it is worth so much more in the end because my mental health was getting affected by it. It was done last year and I am 34 now.

Charles Wu
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I grew up with severe teeth problems. It was misaligned, frail and discolored (yellow, and permanent), due to antibiotics medication I took when I was a toddle. Spent all teenage until college life with low self-esteem but not caring about it. Then when I was 26, got a brace for 1 year, then a permanent crown for all the teeth except 6 teeth (the 4 lower incisors and 2 canines) just to remind me how important dental care is.

D. Pitbull
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was born with an underbite that was so severe that it was essentially an open bite, just like IAmWhoIAm - same issues, couldn't eat "thin" foods or anything that required incising. What are the pitfalls? Kids and adults all alike, constantly bullying you (not teasing. Outright BULLYING) "You think you're BETTER than us, that's why you use a knife and fork for your pizza, that's why you won't order a burger!" etc. which they then use an excuse to do horrible things because it gives them a reason to "justify" their actions. You don't get hired for jobs because they hiring person automatically thinks you're "making a face" at them the ENTIRE INTERVIEW (sorry. yeah, I really can't unhinge my jaw and make it "go back") 2.) even the people who call themselves your 'friends' accuse you of just "wanting attention" ... because for some reason they (who have nearly perfect bites/teeth) think that you can just magically REARRANGE your bone structure. (1/2)

D. Pitbull
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

(cont'd) Then the REAL kicker. There are such things as dental plans. There is sometimes, in a good extended health package, some coverage for orthodontics... but if you need your JAW BROKEN AND RESET to fix a bite, so you can eat normally, talk without a lisp, etc. etc. ... oh, see, now it's "cosmetic" - so pay up out of pocket buddy.

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Blondhorsecrazy
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that teeth can make or break a person's feelings of self worth. My adult son is a handsome young man, but he is now missing his front tooth (in his teens he was in a bike accident & the dentist he seen was worthless so the dental work never lasted). He is so self conscious about his teeth & will shy away when approached by a female because hes afraid of what they think. Ive tried to set up appointment for him & even offered to pay half the costs but he says he can't afford the $3000+ (total the estimate would be close to $8-10k). I worry because my family has herditary dental issues. I hope he understands how important teeth is & let's me help him soon. I know it would give him his confidence back.

Non-New-Toni-An
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5 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand why some ppl go for cosmetic procedures but at the end of the day his teeth were fine and it's a shame he had low self esteem. No one should feel shame over their own body. All that money spent when he could have had counselling and learned to love himself instead. Its a shame such procedures are becoming the norm.

Russian Otaku
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame usa is dumb as f**k to certain western values like health care

Emily Keryk
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

2 weeks ago my dentist told me I need braces, the cheaper alternative being removal of the tooth and 2 others would fall out as a result. I chose the latter. 2 days ago my vet told me I need to spend approx $2000 on my dogs teeth which I HAVE to do. The f*****g irony....!

Jus
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents paid for my braces when I was a child. We've got free health insurance in my country, but when it comes to teeth, it covers only the four most front ones and the cheapest filling. My braces were removable, I think cheaper than the permanent ones. My teeth are still not perfect, but I don't mind. I like natural teeth and I have never bleached them. I loved David Bowie's crooked teeth. Too straight and too white teeth freak me out. Some people look like cyborgs.

Ula
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People ortodoncy it is about better looks, but it is really about regaining your confidance.

Anna Ledwońska
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will have bracers because of dangerous bite issue which causes my front teeth breaking :(

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Klaudia
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a gap in between my front two teeth - around 4mm wide. I haven't smiled with my teeth showing since I was about 8 and until I get braces and close the gap up I will never smile like a normal person.

Cathy Thomas
Community Member
5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many actors, musicians and other public figures have gaps in their teeth. Many people ( including myself) find this to be an attractive feature. Don’t be afraid to smile, make it your signature!

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Sherry
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So he thinks someone like me that proudly works three jobs and pays my way in life, needs to work harder so I can pay more taxes to have HIS teeth fixed. What an idiot he is. He is young and very capable of working to pay his own way, but instead becomes a "political organizer" so he can get me to pay for it by stealing from me!!! Get off of your lazy bottom and get a second job and pay for it yourself! I had bad teeth for a good many years of my life and when I grew up, I worked another job so I could pay to have them fixed.

Ben Smith
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think fixing that facial hair should have been step one, yikes.

sh
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5 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So tired of all of the world's problems being blamed on capitalism. Over-regulation, insurance companies, greed, and corruption are the problems. Crony-capitalism is THE problem.

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