She's forcibly including me. Shes denying my entire lived reality and all my pain and struggles, because once a month I bled between my legs. But that means my enture lived reality is fake right,

No one says sex is a spectrum. Sex is not binary though, it is bimodal. Defining women as people who menstruate is not accurate, plenty of women cannot menstruate. Correct about the boxer? Wrong. And yes transgender people were targeted.

A lot of people say that sex is a spectrum, but that's because there's so much obfuscating language used in trans ideology - like claiming that sex is bimodal. DSDs do not mean that a person is partly male and partly female or somewhere between the two; it means that the foetus didn't develop as it should have done but is still one or the other. I didn't define women as people who menstruate, I said that people who menstruate are women. That is not the same thing as saying that *only* people who menstruate are women. Menstruation is not a defining feature of 'woman' but it is something that only women (and some girls) do. In other words, if a person menstruates, that person is female. As for the boxer, Khelif, in October, French journalist Djaffar Ait Aoudia obtained a copy of a thorough physical examination that was conducted on Khelif in order to verify the presence of a disorder of sexual development. (cont)

(cont) "The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males. [...] the clinical report reveals that an MRI determined that Khelif had no uterus, but instead had internal testicles and a “micropenis” resembling an enlarged clitoris. A chromosomal test further confirmed that Khelif has an XY karyotype, while a hormone test found that Khelif had a testosterone level typical of males." https://reduxx.info/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-has-xy-chromosomes-and-testicles-french-algerian-medical-report-admits/ But as I originally said, time will tell. (cont)

(cont) And finally, transvestites and transsexuals were only 'targeted' by the Nazis in the sense that they were classified as homosexuals. It was homosexuals who were targeted; the cross-dressers and transsexuals were not seen as being separate from them. Their 'crime' was homosexuality (officially 'sexual deviance'), not the trans aspect; that was just seen as evidence of their homosexuality.

UKGrandad, we dislike what JK is saying because it is hate-filled, and factually incorrect. I would be very happy if she never said another word about gender ever again, unless it was to admit her errors.

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Tell me just one thing she's said that is factually incorrect. EDIT: Seven downvotes but no examples? Your arguments are so persuasive 🙄

They hate her because she is a transphobic c**t.

This. Her opinions about some real world stuff isn't any more realistic than the Harry Potter universe.

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Tell me just one thing she's said that is factually incorrect.

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Thank you for your intellectual input.

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Yes Granddad!

What are you waffling on about? I only corrected your claim that she's in government. She isn't. The Labour Party are the current government. Badenoch is leader of the opposition party.

I'm sorry that you're so stupid that you can't understand the article and read the quote. In case it's another thing you're too stupid to understand, the quote is what she said in her own words. Back in June, when she was, in fact, in the government. Things aren't going very well for you in this thread, are they?

Given that your original comment was made yesterday, written in the present tense, and no quote marks, the correction I made was correct. That you didn't initially realise that the quote you were using as the source of your comment is over a year old was your mistake, not mine. Calling me 'stupid' for pointing out your error is mere projection; most people would simply say 'my mistake' and move on, not launch straight into ableist insults. Oh, and things are going fine for me in this thread, thank you. Yes, a lot of my comments have been downvoted and hidden, but that does nothing but prove my point that the trans movement cannot tolerate dissenting voices.

So you're saying that people with a long lifetime of experience have to shut up because they're older than you? What's the cut-off age for when we're no longer allowed to have an opinion?

Oh no this isn't about age. This is about your ideology that a man cannot argue with a woman on these matters. That a woman is by default right and knows more. And the fact that by your ideology I can't be anything BUT a woman, ergo I must be right.

This isn't about age? How dishonest are you? Your comment is right there, but I'll quote you directly...."A woman born in the modern Era versus a man born in a previous Era. [...] People shouldn't listen to you, an older man from a previoys [sic] generation, but me, a woman from the current generation." Those are your words, copied and pasted exactly as written. Looks to be about age to me.

Yes I added more context to what I said? It doesn't change the fact that my primary point is about a man arguing with a woman about "her" rights. Oh no I didn't isolate every detail and chose to be thorough by addressing the fact that there is an age difference. You seem to like finding one point and acting as if that invalidates everything ever.

Deny other people's children medical care? What medical care, exactly? The sort of medical 'care' that a long-term study by a specialist in America's largest healthcare facility for treating children with gender issues found was not beneficial for the children? The same study that the same specialist refused to publish and sat on the results for several years because of fears that 'anti-trans' groups would 'weaponize' the findings that 'the drúgs don't work' and other doctors might stop prescribing them. In what possible way is finding that the medicine you have been giving to kids doesn't do what you claim it does, but hiding those findings to allow the use of the medicine to continue - again, knowing that it does no good - any kind of medical care?

The medical care that has greatly improved my life and the life of many people I know. The medical care that to date only has ONE SINGLE study that disproves it, which is dubious at best because in order to really get even numbers you need two samples of people who want the care, abd to deny one of them it. There was no fear that doctors would stop prescribing it, because doctors are sane enough to know that one single study does not invalidate every other study on the matter. It wasn't published because people like you are so stupid you can have dozens of studies saying it works, but because there's ONE single study that says it doesnt; you think that someone negates every single one- instead of just being more information to see how complicated the matter can be. Thank you for being a part of the problem where we have to hide our findings because you can't comprehend that these matters are complicated and that there's a lot of factors that can influence the outcome.

Nope. Hiding or reframing poor results in gender medicine research is endemic. "At the outset of the National Institutes of Health study, principal investigator Johanna Olson-Kennedy, one of the most vocal advocates of “gender-affirming care” in the United States, expected that young patients put on puberty blockers would experience “decreased symptoms of depression, anxiety, trauma symptoms, self-injury, and suicidality” and “increased body esteem and quality of life over time”. But that’s apparently not what the evidence showed." So they hid the results. Unfortunately, Olson-Kennedy and her team are not alone in taking an “affirmation-only” approach to publishing research findings. Suppressing inconvenient data is a pattern in the field of gender medicine, which has long subordinated scientific research to political expediency. [...] At the European Professional Association for Transgender Health conference in Killarney, Ireland, in April 2023, [cont]

[cont] researchers presented an array of discouraging findings, bracketed by statements like “as you all know, there are improved mental health outcomes following puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones” — even when the research being presented suggested the opposite. [..] Just this summer, documents unsealed in a legal discovery process underway in the state of Alabama revealed that the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) “interfered with the production of systematic reviews that it had commissioned from the Johns Hopkins University Evidence-Based Practice Centre.” Ultimately, researchers at Johns Hopkins conducted evidence reviews relating to 13 key questions in the field of transgender health, but published reviews addressing just three questions. The Economist concluded that “research into trans medicine has been manipulated.” [...] At the US Professional Association for Transgender Health conference in Denver, Colorado, [cont]

[cont] last year, Kellan Baker dispensed public-relations advice to an audience of clinicians and researchers: don’t tell the public anything that might make them think twice about what they’re being asked to support. Avoid specifics, like the ages of patients and the details of interventions." It's deception all the way. And following the links to the information on the first study I mentioned was eye-opening when I read that TWO-THIRDS of the kids being treated were either autistic, had Asperger's Syndrome or were otherwise neurodiverse and a third were diagnosed with non-gender related mental health issues. So I ask again; exactly what sort of healthcare is it where they're hiding negative results in order to carry on using medicines that they know do not do what they claim? https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-are-gender-clinicians-withholding-research/

So weve got one political affiliated source making these claims. Interesting. Could you find me 2-3 more, including ones on the left talking about the same subject? I generally find I need about 6 articles, 3 from each side of the spectrum, to be able to mske an informed opinion. As both left and right will ignore or even fabricate information. You have to scan through several different sources and see what they all have in common. Alternstivley I'll take a couple sources from a scientific research sites directly. Otherwise, it just seems like political none sense. You can't trust everything you read on the internet by the way. Its fraught with disinformation and lies. It's why you have to look at MANY different sources, not just one or two.

Of course it's an ideology: "The meaning of IDEOLOGY is a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture." It's a confused, ill-defined and consistently changing ideology but it is an ideology nonetheless. Religions have existed in all cultures etc. etc.. Does that make them all correct, too?

And youve bought into an ideology thar erases not only the existence of millions of people right now. But also erases significant parts of the cultures of native americans, hindu's, the bugis of Indonesia and more. Why do you think you have a right to erase these cultures? To tell them these parts of them are fundamentally wrong. Especially when it hirts litterally no one.

Stop it with the hyperbolic 'erasing' nonsense. Nobody is being erased.

Lol. "Your expirences aren't real. What you are talking about going through doesn't exist, it's just not how it works. But I'm not trying to erase you." Great logic.

Saying transgender is an ideology is like saying homosexuality is an ideology. Did you know the concepts of homosexuality has changed? what the Romans considered homosexual was different to our culture. Is that an ideology? Transgender people existing is not an ideology.

Stop it with the 'existing' nonsense. I have no doubt that people exist who strongly feel that they are the opposite of their natal sex. The ideology is centred on the idea that that their belief about themselves somehow overrides the biological reality that 'identifying as' x is not the same as 'being' x.

Ignoring the brain to live by physicality alone is to force a lie. And it is not ideology,it is nature. People are not turning their children transgender, some people are naturally transgender. Accept them for who they are.

The sum of who you is your brain, your thoughts, your personality, your likes your dislikes. There is a spectrum of gender, some brains register on the "masculine" side some are on the "feminine" side, some brains cover the middle ground. These bring do not always conform to the physical body. Some people had a woman's brain in a man's body.

There is no such thing as a woman's brain unless it's the brain in the skull of a woman. Even if a brain could be said to be on the 'feminine' side, that does not mean that the person is therefore a woman, it just means that the person thinks in a way that gender essentialists say is how women think. The entire masculine/feminine concept is old-fashioned, wrong and irrelevant. You're basically reinforcing the stereotypes that insist that boys don't do 'girl' things and girls don't do 'boy' things, so if a boy happens to like 'girl' things then he must have a girl brain and is really a girl. Honestly, don't change the body to match the brain; change the way society is so firmly attached to the notion of gendered norms.

Gender identity is independent from stereotypes. There are plenty of men who do "feminine" things. There are women who do "masculine" things. There are trans men who do "feminine" things. There are trans women who do "masculine" things. Gender is independent from stereotypes and expression. Just because YOU are agender, as you have stated multiple times. Does not mean everyone in the world has the same expirences as you. Just because you cannot understand how someone else feels, does not mean they do feel that way. As a trans man, (or what you consider a woman) I still engage in many feminine things. I like to wear skirts, I like to get my nails done, makeup, ect. Because my identity of who I am, is seperate from the activities I want to do. I used to be in your position, by the way. Not understanding how you could "feel" gender. But as i delved into it, I realized I DID feel my identity, but was denying it subconsciously

I have never said I'm agender. I said I'm anti-gender. I totally reject the idea that there are 'masculine' and 'feminine' things: there are just things that people either do or don't do according to their preferences.

You are absolutely agender. You've stated multiple times you do not feel any identity towards any gender. That's the definition of agender. "Masculine" and "Feminine" things are completely seperate from gender. They have nothing to do with it. Only how your own brain works. And as you have stated your brain is genderless, that makes you agender.