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Jack The Ripper’s Identity Revealed After 130 Years Thanks To DNA Testing
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Jack The Ripper’s Identity Revealed After 130 Years Thanks To DNA Testing

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We might finally know the identity of the notorious killer, Jack the Ripper, and we might even have a DNA result for reference.

Over 130 years after his gruesome murders in East London, England, the descendants of his victims are looking to unmask the identity of the serial killer popularly known as Jack the Ripper. 

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    Highlights
    • A forensic study linked DNA from a crime scene shawl to Aaron Kosminski.
    • Some scientists question the study’s validity, arguing that genetic sequences were not fully disclosed.
    • Victims' descendants are calling for Britain’s High Court to officially identify the killer.

    The infamous serial killer who terrorized Victorian Era London women back in the day has primarily been referred to as simply “Jack the Ripper” up until now. Historian Russell Edwards claims that he has identified Jack the Ripper as Aaron Kosminski, one of the prime suspects for Jack the Ripper, through a DNA test done on a shawl possibly belonging to one of his victims from over a century ago.

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    Edwards explained that he purchased the shawl back in 2007 after it was marketed to be at the scene of the murder of Catherine Eddowes, on “TODAY Show Australia.” Surprisingly, the DNA found on a shawl found at the crime scene of one of Jack the Ripper’s victims, Catherine Eddowes, matches a DNA sample provided by one of Kosminski’s living relatives, according to findings published in the Journal of Forensic Sciences in 2019. 

    “It’s very difficult to put into words the elation I felt when I saw the 100 percent DNA match,” Edwards told The Sun in an interview published on January 31. And adds, “This brings closure and a form of justice for the descendants.” Edwards and some of the victims’ descendants are now asking Britain’s High Court to officially name Kosminski as the killer.

    Great-great-great-granddaughter of one of Jack the Ripper’s victims states, “Having the real person legally named would be a form of justice”

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    One of Eddowes’ biological descendants Karen Miller, is waiting for further investigation to make the findings official. Speaking to Daily Mail, she outlines, “The name Jack the Ripper has become sensationalized. It has gone down in history as this famous character. It has all been about him, this iconic name, but people have forgotten about the victims who did not have justice at the time.”

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    “What about the real name of the person who did this? Having the real person legally named in a court, which can consider all the evidence, would be a form of justice for the victims. We have got the proof. Now, we need this inquest to legally name the killer,” Miller, the great-great-great-granddaughter of Eddowes, explains. Now the eyes are on the High Court’s decision to make Kosminski the official.

    Scientists have doubts about the study results, need genetic sequences to be sure

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    As tangible as it sounds, some experts still have questions about the validity of the results. Walther Parsons, a forensic scientist from the Innsbruck Medical University in Austria, criticized the study for not including actual genetic sequences of the involved parties, which were instead represented by a graphic in the report, causing doubts about the reliability of the results. Parsons told Science.org in 2019 after the journal was published, “Otherwise, the reader cannot judge the result.”

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    Following Edwards’ initial DNA tests in 2019, molecular biologist Walther Parson and DNA researcher Hansi Weissensteiner, of the Innsbruck Medical University, expressed doubt over the shawl’s authenticity and the methods of its genetic testing. 

    They argued that genetic sequences from Eddowes and Kosminski’s living relatives were not included in the testing, in addition to questioning whether the shawl may have been contaminated due to the way it was stored. Kosminski’s brother’s great-great-granddaughter has since provided a genetic sample for testing.

    Prime Jack the Ripper suspect Aaron Kosminski was a barber-surgeon in London

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    Who was Aaron Kosminski? He was a Jewish Polish immigrant who came to Whitechapel, England, back in 1881 with his brother. He became a barber once he made it to London. He was 23 at the time of the murders and was a prime suspect in the five murders which took place in 1888 but was never actually charged in the case. He then spent his life in an asylum where he was kept for his diagnosed schizophrenia until his death. 

    Jack the Ripper’s most notable victims include Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherine Eddowes and Mary Jane Kelly in 1888, who were brutally murdered in the Whitechapel area. These women are called “canonical five” by Jack the Ripper researchers, the reason being they are most likely murdered by a single killer.

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    According to the Express, the killer needed to have anatomical knowledge in order to commit the murders. Coincidentally, an intake form from the asylum where Kosminski died in 1919 described him as a “barber-surgeon,” hinting at the anatomical knowledge needed for the gruesome nature of the Ripper’s murders, which involved slitting his victims’s throats and masterfully removing their internal organs. Despite his notorious story, the police were never able to capture him, and his identity remained locked away in the pages of history. 

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    Emma B
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What total tool in the comments really thinks 'they' should sue his family line? What kind of f*****g prick do you have to be to even consider that or believe it might be successful.

    TotallyNOTAFox
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, idiots didn't seem to realise that generational guild is not a thing in modern justice systems

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    kkrq2vk4tm
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, idiots read something and believe it's meant rather than being a tongue in cheek remark, some people are so easy to wind up :)

    Bookworm
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pretty sure if we go back far enough we'll find criminals in their history. Are they ready to pay the descendants for their ancestor's crimes?

    CP
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is one of the main reasons I don't understand Christianity. Descendants paying for an ancestor's sins.

    payn.
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I thought the point was the the fall was the reason sin was introduced into the world, tainting everyone and the bloodline of Adam and Eve. Not so much punishment, rather just the consequences of Adam and Eve believing a serpent over the guy who created them. Might have that wrong though.

    CP
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The entire concept of original sin is pretty much that. Punished for things people that are long dead did.

    Tessa
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Like Eve eating the apple, in a way woman are still being punished for that today. Being one of the narratives that was used to keep women humble and control them.

    Huddo's sister
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good thing most Christians don't believe that anymore. So much harm done (still being done in some places) because people thought things like disability were because of the parent's sins.

    CP
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why? They can't just decide what God wants! That makes the religion even sillier.

    kkrq2vk4tm
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    1 month ago

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    What total tool in the comments would think they were being serious

    Roxy222uk
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, I live in the UK, and if this had been proven or the evidence was very strong, it would be all over reputable news sources and made into documentaries. While I don't doubt the story, I shall take the 'findings' with a huge ladle of salt.

    Anne Reid
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There’s no such thing as 100% matches in DNA testing. I especially doubt any DNA on a shawl that turned up after 130 years, after being used by various people and not kept preserved in a setting where blood samples wouldn’t degrade.

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    ElfVibratorGlitter
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's actually a really great point. They never ever say 100% match. Did DNA testing with my daughter for paternity and I was a 99.9999999 whatever % match.

    Lilli Belisle
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That make it conclusive! 60% would maybe put you in the same nationality such as Irish etc...

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    Midoribird Aoi
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You do not sue a killer's family line generations after they do a crime! They are not the ones that did the deed.

    Vera Diblikova
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    It was generally presumed his victims were prostitutes, Dare you tell it was in the family line to nowadays too?

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    Dragons Exist
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're joking, but I still see idiots who think that modern Germans should be punished for something that people 80 years ago did

    Metaniel
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know, I'm from one of the countries that still has that mindset 😂

    Tams21
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “This brings closure and a form of justice for the descendants.” Closure for descendants that were born generations after the fact based on DNA from a shawl that's probably been in countless hand since then. Sorry to be the cynic but... Meh

    Michael Largey
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Possibly" belonging to the victim? Any defense attorney would tear that apart in seconds.

    El Dee
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nope. This is a six year old story and peer reviews have 'expressed concern' about the conclusions drawn ie this is BS..

    Amelia Jade
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, BP is on a roll this morning with the tabloid journalism. I'm waiting for the next post to be about a woman who birthed an alien baby. This story and theory is years old. Nothing came of it. The DNA results were highly suspect. If this had any traction whatsoever you'd have heard a lot more about it rather than a blurb on an entertainment site 6 years after the fact.

    Ron Man
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the 5th or 6th time they've solved Jack the Ripper using DNA....

    Deborah B
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The validity of the testing is being questioned, the shawl is 137 years old, chain of custody issues are likely, and the risk of contamination is high. In addition, the DNA match is not from a direct decendent, it's matched to "male relative of a currently living person" - that could mean a suspect pool of any number of men who weren't considered suspects at the time, especially if there's any chance of misattributed paternity in the intervening generations. Also, victims were reported to work as prostitutes - DNA from a man on the clothing of a prostitute could easily be explained by him being one of her clients. I would like to know how many other DNA samples were found on the shawl, and whether any were sequenced and found to be from other men who could equally reasonably be considered suspects. I'd also like to know if they matched any DNA to the decendents of the victim, to prove that was Eddowes' shawl in the first place. There's a lot of gaps before it's conclusive.

    AndyR
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Claims a 100% DNA match but doesn't release any data that can be peer-reviewed. No chance.

    marianne eliza
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like a solid suspect, but it would fall apart in court. She was a prostitute. There must have been dozens of DNA samples on that shawl.

    Julia H
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. While I didn't bother to read the article, pretty sure the suspect was a barber. Back then barbers performed minor surgeries. Although the date doesn't align with that particular fact

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    CP
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't imagine anything concrete could come out about this case over 100 years later. The person in the article commenting about closure. What closure? No one knows the victims to need closure.

    Donna Litchfield
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kosminski or Kominski? I lose faith in an article when the spelling of a name can't be kept straight.

    T'Mar of Vulcan
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The provenance of the shawl has not been proven, so any so-called evidence based on it means nothing.

    Emma S
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Back in the Victorian times barbers didn't just cut hair. They also acted as surgeons and even did amputations. That's one of the reasons why surgeons in the UK aren't given the title of 'Doctor' and are instead called Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs (surename). While we're talking about Jack the Ripper, I highly recommended the crime drama Whitechapel.

    Je souhaite
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They also did bloodletting hence the white and red stripes on the barbers pole

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    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The red and white stripes symbolise the blood-stained bandages and cloths that were hung from poles outside the barbers' shops to dry after being used during surgery, be it bloodletting, pulling teeth (they did that, too), amputations or any one of many messy jobs.

    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not in Victorian times, they didn't. The Royal College of Surgeons was formed in 1745 and from that time barbers were no longer permitted to perform surgery except for minor tasks such as bloodletting, tooth-pulling, and lancing boils. By 1800 they were prohibited by law from performing from even those tasks.

    Paul Sloan
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The woman was a hooker, I am positive she had lots of DNA on her.

    Lilli Belisle
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They weren't hookers or prostitutes, some were widows who had to work low wage jobs and lived in the poorest neighborhoods.

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    Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I dont know why you got downvoted, that is true. It is possible Kominsky or one of his relatives was one of her clients

    Starfish63
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I recommend reading 'The Five' by Hallie Rubenhold. It gives the women personalities and lives beyond their victim status.

    Je souhaite
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There were actually 11 murders so we still don't know about all the victims lives and personalities also until the depiction in From Hell there is little evidence that the Five even knew each other

    CD Mills
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I doubt this 'conclusion' of the identity. Someone on Fark pointed out that the shawl was never identified or taken as evidence from the woman they are attributing it came from. We have a few Farkers who are all into Jack the Ripper and those who have been in the thread are all calling BS due to the shawl being a mystery that they can't actually tie to that victim. I personally don't buy it at all but if you want to argue about it go to Fark and argue with them, I only care enough to state my opinion, I don't care enough one way or the other to argue about it.

    Emmie Webb
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Russell Edwards is a known prankster. He lied about finding Keith Bennett. Created an entire Hoax. And you guys are just randomly posting this nonsense as fact.

    David
    Community Member
    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Kominski theory has been mostly discredited at this point

    Beak Hookage
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I had a dollar for every article I've read with a misleading headline saying they have definitely identified Jack the Ripper, only to open with a whole lot of "maybes" and "might haves" I'd have paid off my house by now.

    Lee Gilliland
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The DNA was on a scarf found at the site of one of the murders. It has no actual provenance besides oral. And it was kept by a member of the police force, not by the police. So I'm OK with this being a possibility, but dies not consist of proof.

    Binny Tutera
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It might be strong evidence since a leading suspect was identified through the DNA. Perhaps more testing is needed, but it seems to be a step in the right direction.

    meeeeeeeeeeee
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    1 month ago

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    Eva Sawyer
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly? The case is never going to be conclusively solved short of finding a journal or something that admits to the crimes. The shawl has issues, both storage/chain of custody - plus she was known to prostitute herself. A man's DNA doesn't prove that he killed her, only that at some point he had contact with her.

    Nancie Jeanne
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This reminds me of the man who said he found a diary or something from Jack the ripper and wrote a book. It was fake. Someone bought a shawl "marketed" as belonging to a victim? Sure

    Nancie Jeanne
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So someone bought a shawl "marketed" to be from a victim? Like the dude who "found" a diary a few years ago. Sure.

    WubiDubi
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Jack The Ripper’s Identity Revealed After 130 Years Thanks To DNA Testing" Then.... " might"

    AnSi Bae
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm really thorn about in the future using DNA sites to identify murderers. I get closure for the families are important and general morbid curiosity would be the bigger part of it. But if you found out your dead grandfather was the Zodiak killer or somebody horrible. What happens afterwards? You live with the stigma and everybody judge you for what an ancestor did? Shunned by society and hated for something you are not responsible for? The victims descendents sue your family? It's a can of worms I don't know what you should do with. Opinions?

    SpirklePlatz
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes to most of the comments - and also, let's stop sensationalizing killers. Killers =/= heroes.

    Gozer LeGozerian
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This story is old and was conveniently released the same time as the historian had a book coming out. And DNA on a shawl doesn't prove anything. He could've been a customer of Eddowe's. Too many doubts to this story to be honest.

    Hmmm hmmmm
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lovung the guy who commented saying that jack the ripper was a baby and still alive!

    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really hope that the second-to-last tweet is meant to be a joke, because "like say [the Ripper] was a baby in 1888 that would mean he would still only be like 137 years old right now. we can still get him" 🤔

    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wasn't a barber-surgeon: after the formation of the Royal College of Surgeons in 1745, the role of the barber-surgeon was severely restricted. By 1800 the practice had died out altogether.

    Lara Verne
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Should sue his entire family line? That's pretty unhinged, don't you think?

    Roger Haywood
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I still think it was American serial killer H.H. Holmes. His dissapearance in America co insides with the Ripper killings. May be a coincidence, I admit, but he's still my number 1 suspect.

    Chewie Baron
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can somebody tell Patricia Cornwall please? As for some reason only known to her and the goblins who torment her, she thinks that the killer was the artist Walter Sickert. He was never even a suspect in the first place.

    Emma B
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What total tool in the comments really thinks 'they' should sue his family line? What kind of f*****g prick do you have to be to even consider that or believe it might be successful.

    TotallyNOTAFox
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, idiots didn't seem to realise that generational guild is not a thing in modern justice systems

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    kkrq2vk4tm
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, idiots read something and believe it's meant rather than being a tongue in cheek remark, some people are so easy to wind up :)

    Bookworm
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pretty sure if we go back far enough we'll find criminals in their history. Are they ready to pay the descendants for their ancestor's crimes?

    CP
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is one of the main reasons I don't understand Christianity. Descendants paying for an ancestor's sins.

    payn.
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I thought the point was the the fall was the reason sin was introduced into the world, tainting everyone and the bloodline of Adam and Eve. Not so much punishment, rather just the consequences of Adam and Eve believing a serpent over the guy who created them. Might have that wrong though.

    CP
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The entire concept of original sin is pretty much that. Punished for things people that are long dead did.

    Tessa
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Like Eve eating the apple, in a way woman are still being punished for that today. Being one of the narratives that was used to keep women humble and control them.

    Huddo's sister
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good thing most Christians don't believe that anymore. So much harm done (still being done in some places) because people thought things like disability were because of the parent's sins.

    CP
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why? They can't just decide what God wants! That makes the religion even sillier.

    kkrq2vk4tm
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    What total tool in the comments would think they were being serious

    Roxy222uk
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, I live in the UK, and if this had been proven or the evidence was very strong, it would be all over reputable news sources and made into documentaries. While I don't doubt the story, I shall take the 'findings' with a huge ladle of salt.

    Anne Reid
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There’s no such thing as 100% matches in DNA testing. I especially doubt any DNA on a shawl that turned up after 130 years, after being used by various people and not kept preserved in a setting where blood samples wouldn’t degrade.

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    ElfVibratorGlitter
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's actually a really great point. They never ever say 100% match. Did DNA testing with my daughter for paternity and I was a 99.9999999 whatever % match.

    Lilli Belisle
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That make it conclusive! 60% would maybe put you in the same nationality such as Irish etc...

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    Midoribird Aoi
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You do not sue a killer's family line generations after they do a crime! They are not the ones that did the deed.

    Vera Diblikova
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    It was generally presumed his victims were prostitutes, Dare you tell it was in the family line to nowadays too?

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    Dragons Exist
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're joking, but I still see idiots who think that modern Germans should be punished for something that people 80 years ago did

    Metaniel
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know, I'm from one of the countries that still has that mindset 😂

    Tams21
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “This brings closure and a form of justice for the descendants.” Closure for descendants that were born generations after the fact based on DNA from a shawl that's probably been in countless hand since then. Sorry to be the cynic but... Meh

    Michael Largey
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Possibly" belonging to the victim? Any defense attorney would tear that apart in seconds.

    El Dee
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nope. This is a six year old story and peer reviews have 'expressed concern' about the conclusions drawn ie this is BS..

    Amelia Jade
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, BP is on a roll this morning with the tabloid journalism. I'm waiting for the next post to be about a woman who birthed an alien baby. This story and theory is years old. Nothing came of it. The DNA results were highly suspect. If this had any traction whatsoever you'd have heard a lot more about it rather than a blurb on an entertainment site 6 years after the fact.

    Ron Man
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the 5th or 6th time they've solved Jack the Ripper using DNA....

    Deborah B
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The validity of the testing is being questioned, the shawl is 137 years old, chain of custody issues are likely, and the risk of contamination is high. In addition, the DNA match is not from a direct decendent, it's matched to "male relative of a currently living person" - that could mean a suspect pool of any number of men who weren't considered suspects at the time, especially if there's any chance of misattributed paternity in the intervening generations. Also, victims were reported to work as prostitutes - DNA from a man on the clothing of a prostitute could easily be explained by him being one of her clients. I would like to know how many other DNA samples were found on the shawl, and whether any were sequenced and found to be from other men who could equally reasonably be considered suspects. I'd also like to know if they matched any DNA to the decendents of the victim, to prove that was Eddowes' shawl in the first place. There's a lot of gaps before it's conclusive.

    AndyR
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Claims a 100% DNA match but doesn't release any data that can be peer-reviewed. No chance.

    marianne eliza
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like a solid suspect, but it would fall apart in court. She was a prostitute. There must have been dozens of DNA samples on that shawl.

    Julia H
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. While I didn't bother to read the article, pretty sure the suspect was a barber. Back then barbers performed minor surgeries. Although the date doesn't align with that particular fact

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    CP
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't imagine anything concrete could come out about this case over 100 years later. The person in the article commenting about closure. What closure? No one knows the victims to need closure.

    Donna Litchfield
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kosminski or Kominski? I lose faith in an article when the spelling of a name can't be kept straight.

    T'Mar of Vulcan
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The provenance of the shawl has not been proven, so any so-called evidence based on it means nothing.

    Emma S
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Back in the Victorian times barbers didn't just cut hair. They also acted as surgeons and even did amputations. That's one of the reasons why surgeons in the UK aren't given the title of 'Doctor' and are instead called Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs (surename). While we're talking about Jack the Ripper, I highly recommended the crime drama Whitechapel.

    Je souhaite
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They also did bloodletting hence the white and red stripes on the barbers pole

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    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The red and white stripes symbolise the blood-stained bandages and cloths that were hung from poles outside the barbers' shops to dry after being used during surgery, be it bloodletting, pulling teeth (they did that, too), amputations or any one of many messy jobs.

    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not in Victorian times, they didn't. The Royal College of Surgeons was formed in 1745 and from that time barbers were no longer permitted to perform surgery except for minor tasks such as bloodletting, tooth-pulling, and lancing boils. By 1800 they were prohibited by law from performing from even those tasks.

    Paul Sloan
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The woman was a hooker, I am positive she had lots of DNA on her.

    Lilli Belisle
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They weren't hookers or prostitutes, some were widows who had to work low wage jobs and lived in the poorest neighborhoods.

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    Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I dont know why you got downvoted, that is true. It is possible Kominsky or one of his relatives was one of her clients

    Starfish63
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I recommend reading 'The Five' by Hallie Rubenhold. It gives the women personalities and lives beyond their victim status.

    Je souhaite
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There were actually 11 murders so we still don't know about all the victims lives and personalities also until the depiction in From Hell there is little evidence that the Five even knew each other

    CD Mills
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I doubt this 'conclusion' of the identity. Someone on Fark pointed out that the shawl was never identified or taken as evidence from the woman they are attributing it came from. We have a few Farkers who are all into Jack the Ripper and those who have been in the thread are all calling BS due to the shawl being a mystery that they can't actually tie to that victim. I personally don't buy it at all but if you want to argue about it go to Fark and argue with them, I only care enough to state my opinion, I don't care enough one way or the other to argue about it.

    Emmie Webb
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Russell Edwards is a known prankster. He lied about finding Keith Bennett. Created an entire Hoax. And you guys are just randomly posting this nonsense as fact.

    David
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Kominski theory has been mostly discredited at this point

    Beak Hookage
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I had a dollar for every article I've read with a misleading headline saying they have definitely identified Jack the Ripper, only to open with a whole lot of "maybes" and "might haves" I'd have paid off my house by now.

    Lee Gilliland
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The DNA was on a scarf found at the site of one of the murders. It has no actual provenance besides oral. And it was kept by a member of the police force, not by the police. So I'm OK with this being a possibility, but dies not consist of proof.

    Binny Tutera
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It might be strong evidence since a leading suspect was identified through the DNA. Perhaps more testing is needed, but it seems to be a step in the right direction.

    meeeeeeeeeeee
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    Eva Sawyer
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly? The case is never going to be conclusively solved short of finding a journal or something that admits to the crimes. The shawl has issues, both storage/chain of custody - plus she was known to prostitute herself. A man's DNA doesn't prove that he killed her, only that at some point he had contact with her.

    Nancie Jeanne
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This reminds me of the man who said he found a diary or something from Jack the ripper and wrote a book. It was fake. Someone bought a shawl "marketed" as belonging to a victim? Sure

    Nancie Jeanne
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So someone bought a shawl "marketed" to be from a victim? Like the dude who "found" a diary a few years ago. Sure.

    WubiDubi
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Jack The Ripper’s Identity Revealed After 130 Years Thanks To DNA Testing" Then.... " might"

    AnSi Bae
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm really thorn about in the future using DNA sites to identify murderers. I get closure for the families are important and general morbid curiosity would be the bigger part of it. But if you found out your dead grandfather was the Zodiak killer or somebody horrible. What happens afterwards? You live with the stigma and everybody judge you for what an ancestor did? Shunned by society and hated for something you are not responsible for? The victims descendents sue your family? It's a can of worms I don't know what you should do with. Opinions?

    SpirklePlatz
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes to most of the comments - and also, let's stop sensationalizing killers. Killers =/= heroes.

    Gozer LeGozerian
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This story is old and was conveniently released the same time as the historian had a book coming out. And DNA on a shawl doesn't prove anything. He could've been a customer of Eddowe's. Too many doubts to this story to be honest.

    Hmmm hmmmm
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lovung the guy who commented saying that jack the ripper was a baby and still alive!

    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really hope that the second-to-last tweet is meant to be a joke, because "like say [the Ripper] was a baby in 1888 that would mean he would still only be like 137 years old right now. we can still get him" 🤔

    UKGrandad
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wasn't a barber-surgeon: after the formation of the Royal College of Surgeons in 1745, the role of the barber-surgeon was severely restricted. By 1800 the practice had died out altogether.

    Lara Verne
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Should sue his entire family line? That's pretty unhinged, don't you think?

    Roger Haywood
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I still think it was American serial killer H.H. Holmes. His dissapearance in America co insides with the Ripper killings. May be a coincidence, I admit, but he's still my number 1 suspect.

    Chewie Baron
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    1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can somebody tell Patricia Cornwall please? As for some reason only known to her and the goblins who torment her, she thinks that the killer was the artist Walter Sickert. He was never even a suspect in the first place.

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