40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse

In the 1980s, you could fly from London to New York in under three hours. This was achieved through the innovative and truly groundbreaking Concorde, a supersonic passenger plane that was discontinued in 2003. It seems so bizarre to many of us that technology can seemingly step backwards, but the truth is the world is literate with similar examples.
Someone asked “What inventions are worse than 30 years ago?” and netizens shared their examples. So get comfortable as you scroll through, upvote your favorites and be sure to give your own examples in the comments section below.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse We had knobs and buttons on car radios and car ventilation controls. A driver could make adjustments just by touch and not take their eyes of the road. Nowadays, all buttons feel the same or we have touch screens and a driver has to look at them.

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Bec 4 days ago

I've read that physical buttons are making a comeback

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse I think social media was an invention that made the world an inferior place.

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Glen Ellyn 4 days ago

Yes, just look what's happening in Springfield, Ohio. An out and out lie on Facebook has mushroomed into bomb threats at schools and city buildings there. It's absolutely appalling!

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Websites. Early websites were clean, loaded quickly, didn't have tracking cookies or cookie pop-ups and focused on telling you what you wanted to know without a ton of extraneous low-value images.

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DB 4 days ago

The internet in general was way better.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Things used to be made of wood, metal and glass. Now everything is made of plastic which doesn't biodegrade, is made from oil and is weakened by UV light.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

Or it's made from low grade particle board that isn't much more than pressed sawdust.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Led headlights. The older halogens were just fine and better for everyone.

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DB 4 days ago

35 years in the auto parts business and I agree 100%.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Kitchen white goods such as washing machines etc. My mum’s washing machine she bought in 1980 lasted her nearly 20 years. Modern ones don’t seem to last more than 5-6 years.

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tom 4 days ago

that's one confused looking washing machine

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Mobile phones. The worst thing to ever happen as a supposed 'technological advance' was removing the earphone socket in mobile phones. Now, I have to rely on wireless earphones that always fall out, and the possibility that my phone might lose connection and start blasting music out loud.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

Apple just announced that they're putting this back on the next model of iPhone, because they got so much hate

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Google and by extention the internet generally.

Google used to give you a truly diverse set of results whenever you searched something. Now it gives you a few curated results which all say the same thing.

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Kira Okah 4 days ago

The SEO combined with their useless LLM cr@p which keeps ignoring boolean commands if more people search for the thing you're trying to boolean out =.= No, I don't want sugar cookies in my sugarfree cookie recipe search. I've come to use a variant that strips out all of the LLM stuff, obvously can do nothing about the SEO but I can now search more like it's 2003.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse 2 Things.

Completed products. Before the rise of online gaming all games had to be completed before they could be pushed out and you couldn't really do upgrades (although there were add ons). I gave up gaming when I had a PS4, every time I wanted to do anything it it needed time to do uploads. Just got sick of it.

Owning things. I hate subscription models. They are great for a physical thing you get every month but for lots of digital products they are rubbish. Give me the software and stop messing around with it. I've stopped caring so much about paying them now. If it can't be owned, it can't be piracy.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

Generally speaking, if I can't buy a physical copy of the media--gaming, music, movies, whatever--that I own outright, I'm not interested.

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#10

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Online menus,it doesn't hurt to just tell me what you have on a list at the very least.

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tom 4 days ago

or worse QR codes for menus on the table. it's not clever, just annoying

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Handwriting .. Many people having handwriting that were almost like art back then (especially the elders). On the occasions one see handwriting nowadays.. it's just like wtf is written here. Nice/Perfect handwriting still impresses me no matter how "ancient" many think handwriting is nowadays. A kind of "everyday art". Can still look at some letters sent by grandparents and think of both the skills and time they used to make it. Using their minds and souls before the words were put on the paper. Words are so cheap and simple in the era of the keyboard and computers.

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3 Otters 🦦 4 days ago

If I hear, say and write something it stays with me. I still write things down and made sure my child, now adult, learned to write.

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#12

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Keyless ignition serves no useful purpose and is much less secure than a physical car key. You can't clone a key through a brick wall.

One of those Jurassic Park moments of people trying to show what they could do without thinking whether they should.

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John Harrison 4 days ago

The fact that it's POSSIBLE to hijack the signal from a fob makes people think that keyless cars are thus less secure. The reality is that keyless cars themselves are harder to steal, and most thieves just want what's IN your car, anyway.

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#13

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Banks and branches with managers you could talk to and ask for things, e.g. overdraft extensions. Nowadays you have to be on hold for an hour to speak to someone in the Philippines who doesn’t know what an ISA is.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

Probably depends on where you live/bank. I've got an account with a major national bank, but my local branch manager still contacts me several times a year to make sure I'm still satisfied with my service.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Modern cake mixers. I have a mixer from the 1960s that is still going strong today. I have tried modern mixers, but not only do they not work as well, they don't last very long either.

It's more than 60 years old, used to belong to my grandmother, has all its original parts and is still making cakes to this day. It's outlasted every single modern mixer I've tried.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

I have an electric knife like this. My parents received it as a wedding gift in 1966 and it has outlived several newer, fancier ones I have bought over the years. The housing is cracked and it sounds like a chainsaw, but it still carves a turkey or a roast beef better than anything else I've ever used.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Houses
My house is 150 years old and is built to last. Very little issues. I know 2 people who have a 'newish' build house (built within the last 10 years) and because of the extreme weather the UK has had with wind the past few years both their houses need serious work. Not a single shingle has come off my roof.

New builds in the UK are built like S***E. I used to work in construction retail and traders would even comment how out of line walls/floors would be when working in new houses.

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Heather Menard 4 days ago

Not just the UK

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse I had a vhs player that worked for 30years. Now when I buy a digital film, apparently I don’t actually own it and it could disappear.

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AwesomeLeoWife 4 days ago

I bought the old Charlie Brown holiday shows on Amazon Prime awhile ago. Now they aren’t there because Apple TV bought all the rights to all the Peanuts shows and I can’t see the show I bought.

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#17

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Shops where the workers could do more than than tell you to go back home and call customer services. Looking at you Samsung.

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Cat Chat 4 days ago

If you can't tell anything more than what the display specs say, don't even bother to ask if you can help me.

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#18

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Maybe already said but fridges. I don’t need a coffin sized, Bluetooth connected cold wardrobe. I need an accessible, adjustable and flexible fridge that is not going to take up half the wall.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

All I want is a big box that will keep things cold. I don't need my appliances texting me at work to tell me I need more milk.

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#19

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Streetlamps used to give a nice warm glow before we replaced them with those ghastly white lights.

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Glen Ellyn 4 days ago

Agreed. I feel like I live right next to a chain store's parking lot. The least they could do is shade the bulbs so you aren't blinded by them. Aim the lighting down, not out or up.

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#20

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Cars. Too wide, too bulky, headlights too bright, too locked in with ridiculous diagnostics and sensors and god knows what else...and they all look the f*****g same!

I bought an '09 Vauxhall last year, hoping I can keep it running as long as possible, but I'm really dreading having to choose something else in a few years' time.

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Ray McArdle 4 days ago

My beef is too much power. The are speed limits all around. Where are you going to drive 0-60 in four seconds.?

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Plastic packaging. Nobody needs blister packs and polystyrene can be replaced with the sensible use of cardboard. At one time, supermarkets used to give away paper carrier bags - now they care so much about the environment that they don't have paper bags but will sell you a plastic carrier bag instead.

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tom 4 days ago

here in Australia we are charged for the paper bags

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#22

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Multi stage authentication b******t. Either let websites track you constantly or have to use your password, then enter a 6 digit code that they text to you. F**k off!

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James016 4 days ago

Can’t agree. Having MFA meant that whoever tried to get into my Apple ID, couldn’t. It has also been a real lifesaver at work.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Clothing.

Everything available now is absolutely sh*te and doesn't survive long at all. 3 pairs of identical levis jeans I have all came out of the same wash different sizes. Tshirts go out of shape in weeks. Everything is plastic or contains it. Bog standard suits from M&s are absolutely garbage (and *stretchy*! Who wants stretch fabric suits?)

This wasn't the case 20 years ago. Jeans were cheap, cut better, and lasted. Trainers lasted a year and not the 4 months I now get out of them. You could get nice wool jumpers that wouldn't shrink miles in a gentle wash. Generally things were worth repairing. The good old days!

Edit: should say "everything available *on the high street* is absolutely s***e." There are new UK-based companies making good clothes, but they tend to be online only and a lot more pricey (which I suppose you'd expect).

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Scott Rackley 4 days ago

There are good clothing brands that last, they're just more expensive.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Staplers, I'm sure the staples used to be able to penetrate more than twe sheets of paper.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

Yes, and older staplers didn't jam on every third staple the way some of the newer ones seem to

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse I saw a tiktok that lamented the loss of detail in every day objects. Take metal bollards, for example. Across the UK, we still have beautifully forged metal bollards with fluted edges, crested designs and round plated tops. However, newer ones are just a galvanized steel pole.

Another somewhat outdated example from the UK are the differences between older and newer phone boxes.

Once you start seeing this loss of detail within the landscape it becomes difficult to miss.

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Kira Okah 4 days ago

That decorative detail is based on the time where we literally made bollards out of scrapped cannons.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Vacuum cleaners. They have lower levels of suction compared to rhe 90s and are massively over engineered.

I got to use an old early 2000s vacuum while cleaning a church hall the other day and it’s pick up was fantastic compared to my modern Shark device.

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Colleen Glim 4 days ago (edited)

My husband bought a Dyson wand a few years back. I hate the fecking thing. It’s so tempermental

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Supposed fully automatic hand washing facilities in public toilets, restaurants etc.
Very rarely do they work. If you’re lucky you’ll get cold water to rinse your hands then have to leave with them wet or wipe on your trousers.
Worst case you get a squirt of soap and no water that you then have to wipe off somehow. Bring back manual taps, soap and push button drier.

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3 Otters 🦦 4 days ago

No push button germ spreaders, driers. The noise is awful. Paper towels.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Cars. There was a point, early to late 90s when cars were just about perfect. They were mostly reliable and didn't break down like cars in the 70s and 80s. They were still mechanical mostly, you could service them yourself and if you were handy with tools, you could fix a lot of problems yourself.
Now, car's are filled with pointless electrical gubbins that can and will break down leaving you unable to repair yourself.

Electric handbrakes, automatic lights and wipers. Doors/boots that have motors to open them. LCD screen dashboards. Oddly shaped music systems that can't be swapped out. Cards/button to start them and insanely complicated canbus system that control everything and require software update that only main stealers can install at extortionate costs. And batteries that effetely make the car a write off when they need replacing.

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Forrest Hobbs 4 days ago

"Gubbins" and "Canbus" are real words not made up by the author, who didn't make up "main stealers" either.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Health service used to be more accessible and quicker for GPs and A&E.

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Gavin Johnson 4 days ago

Went to A&E a few months ago, Stepping Hell in Stockport, all of the world can be seen there, 8 hours of fun but the staff were awesome and they sorted me out and fixed me. Yeah, could’ve been quicker but hey, free at the point of delivery and I’m in tip top condition now.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse I suspect it's more cost cutting or in some cases the cheapest available solution being used than stuff being technologically worse.

Seating on planes, trains and the general internal environment of them is far far worse than in the past, in fact I'd go as far to say that it is downright abysmal - even if the vehicles themselves are safer and far more advanced.

This gives the impression that some things are worse, because in terms of everyday comfort and lack of value for money stuff is, but the underlying technology isn't. Modern trains will be far more crashworthy than what they replaced, but internally they are utterly spartan sh*tholes filled with crammed torture rack seating compared to the relative comfort of the older stuff, and may often also be shorter than the stuff they replaced.

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JB 4 days ago

At last! Something I agree with. Over 4 decades of using public transport (and actively remembering it) it’s great that safety has improved(?) but it seems to be at the cost of comfort. Buses and trains used to have cushioned seats, nowadays, they’re mostly hard plastic. I suppose that’s easier to disinfect but I’m not really seeing bouncing off plastic as less damaging. And, once upon a time, airplane seats weren’t torture devices. I’m 5’1” I.e. below average height/size and *I* feel cramped, honestly struggling to imagine what normal sized people suffer, nevermind taller/bigger people.

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse TV streaming services. Beforehand if you enjoyed a program you could buy the DVD or download from the likes of iTunes or other services, and rewatch whenever you wanted to and you owned it

Now it’s either a gamble of “is it on Netflix? Disney? Prime Video?” Or even a case of it’s not on any whatsoever and you can’t watch it.

And more you might subscribe to the likes of Netflix for a specific film or program you like. But then they can take it off whenever they desire.

For example I’ve been wanting a rewatch of Peter Kay’s old comedy programs like Phoenix Nights and Max & Paddy’s Road to Nowhere. They’re not on anything but I’m so glad I’ve got the DVDs still.

Then at least with the likes of Sky+ you could record a film if it was on the TV and then watch it whenever you liked. Now with the likes of their new “Sky Stream,” you pay monthly to essentially watch On Demand like you do with the rest of things, available for free on most smart TVs.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

At least in the US, DVD's and other physical media are starting to make a resurgence, as people are getting tired of streaming services suddenly removing the content that they signed up for in the first place. And some streaming services (at least Hulu and Netflix) are starting to release some of their original programming on DVD--my wife just bought me a boxed set of "Only Murders In The Building".

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30 years ago you could post a letter and expect it to appear in a day. I'm lucky to see a letter within 10-14 days now.

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Colleen Glim 4 days ago

I don’t remember a time when the local post office could deliver a letter in a day. Usually it took them four days to deliver a letter two blocks down the street

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Gaming. You bought a game, inserted in the console and it was working. You could play.

Now? 100GB update, then you need to be connected to the online, update game, then you need to buy dlcs to get complete experience, excessive grind and option to buy speed up perks, then years later, servers shut down and your own game doesn't work anymore.. (examples, warzone has 100GB updates, pokemon scvi don't have post game, to get anything resembling postgane, you need to buy dlcs, ubisoft games are infamous for their microtransactions of xp boosts in single player games, the crew is odd mix of single player game which needs constant Internet connection and they will close servers this year, making game unplayable for anyone who bought it).

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tom 4 days ago

well you didn't live my friend... our commodore 64 had a datasette, talk about long loading

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#34

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Light bulbs. I recently learnt that the longest burning light bulb was first installed in 1901.

I moved into my room 3 years ago and already changed 2 light bulbs.

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tom 4 days ago

get LED's

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40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Border control. You arrived from a friendly country, a civil servant in regular clothes glanced at your picture and you, maybe asked a short question about your trip, then it was "welcome home" and you got waved through. All done in seconds. Going to our neighbours in Europe and it was just the same.

Now they have facial recognition stuff that takes forever to recognise you, frequently fails to and directs you to a human dressed in an intimidating uniform who gives you the third degree. Before you even get to the control point you will be in a long snaking queue often being yelled at by an officious security type. Going to our neighbours there are long queues and passport stamps even if there are e-passport readers. Soon you will have to preregister online before you even leave (and foreigners coming to the UK will experience something similar).

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kitten levels tokyo 4 days ago

Terrorists and murderers ruined it for everyone. Again.

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#36

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Packaging has got worse.

You no longer get a protective plastic lid for cream or yogurt.

Most of the ‘pull here’ lids don’t work at all anymore.

Large items like 24 cans of coke, no longer have a box that you can open easily to allow access.

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The Phantom Stranger 4 days ago

I was putting away breakfast cereal at work the other day, and the boxes have become so flimsy that they collapse when I just grasp them from the top to pull them out of the packing case.

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#37

TV sound. Having bigger speakers In a bigger box produced a decent quality sound. We have a flat screen TV like most people nowadays and the sound was just ok. I've happened upon a home theatre amp and found on Facebook 2 speakers bigger than my child. The sound at the lowest of volumes really fills the room and my wife was genuinely shocked at the difference. My project was given tentative approval, but now she's very happy. Getting the rest of the speakers now is a lower priority but being quite deaf it'll be a massive help.

We were in Currys yesterday looking at new TVs and all they seem to offer is sound bars to go with them.

If I have one piece of advice it's to get yourself down to richer sounds. They have things to help all budgets, even cheap bastards like me.

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Colleen Glim 4 days ago

I refuse to go to movie theaters because the sound is too loud. I will NOT have this in my living room

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#38

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse McDonalds had straws with which you could drink their milkshakes. .

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Tyranamar Seuss 4 days ago

McDonald's had cups with waxed paper instead of plastic. Was better for the environment and kept your soda colder for longer. I swear their coke no longer tastes the same. Bc it gets warm too fast.

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#39

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse Shoes

f*****g shoes

more and more cushion

don't y'all notice that your feet hurt after wearing them all day?

i switched over to minimal shoes and have had zero foot pain at the end of the day. takes a bit to get used to, but 100% worth it and "regular" shoes hurt like hell after 30 minutes. Stop squishing your feet! The hell, balls of your feet, outside of the foot, and toes are what hold you up. Not your arch. Arch support in shoes spreads your body weight to parts of your foot that are not supposed to carry that weight all day long

If you have a foot injury, arch support can help put your foot back into a natural shape. If you never remove your arch support, the muscles in your feet will never get strong enough to support that arch. Need to be as barefoot as possible to get your foot back to how it's supposed to be.

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Forrest Hobbs 4 days ago (edited)

I need shock absorbing footwear to keep my knees working. Those "minimal shoes" would leave me crippled in short order. I can't even get away with walking around barefoot at home - I've got high quality flip-flops with shock absorbing heel pads glued onto them, which never leave the house...

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#40

40 Once Great Inventions That Are Becoming Worse And Worse F*****g fruit juice cartons.

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kitten levels tokyo 4 days ago

We need more information! Do you hate the screw cap and miss the soggy open-the-actual-carton style?

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What do you think ?

Janice 3 days ago

Why didn't anyone mention phone systems that you have to press a variety of numbers and wait forever while listening to elevator "music" on repeat endlessly while waiting for some company rep, who isn't even in the country or work directly for the company you're trying to reach? That is the most frustrating thing I can think of and there's nothing you can do except scream "agent" or "representative" when they ask for more info so they can direct you, just so you can repeat it all again 20 minutes later when (if) you get an actual human on the phone. This should have been #1

Marvin HeartofGold (she/them) 1 day ago

I just press zero until it goes "ok, let me get someone to help you." Some systems are faster than others (I'm looking at you, Anthem)

0points

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BrunoVI 3 days ago

Why do TVs now only have a single button? 39 different ports, but one button. Oh sure.... the *REMOTE* has 43 buttons.

5points

Rocket Surgeon 3 days ago

...if you can find it.

Steve Hall 3 days ago

Mine has no buttons at all.

Valdemar 3 days ago

1 on my TV, 9 on my remote. It's good if you have a good grasp of tech and can navigate it easily but bad for those who struggle with tech and the elderly. The nice thing is that the manufacturers offer remotes with the standard fair of buttons and you can get universal remotes for cheap.

Mike F 3 days ago

Mine has a full compliment of buttons on the side panel (2 year old Vizio) but that is about the only thing going for it, lol.

There seems to be a lot of complaining about switching from paper/wood products to plastic. Plastic is bad because it’s not biodegradable. But wouldn’t switching back result in killing the trees again when we’re all just so worried about global warming?

4points

Huddo's sister 4 days ago

From what I understand, the impact would be less than plastic. Plus, there are a lot of reforestation practices, protection of old growth forest, and regulated plantations compared to the past.

12points

martin734 3 days ago

Can we please stop this killing trees c**p! Virtually all timber used for commercial processes in Europe is from timber plantations where the trees are planted specifically for harvesting as timber and in the UK it is extremely rare to find wood products that are not sourced from FSC rated plantations. They are usually fast growing softwoods such as pine, fir and yew and are almost always non-native species whose only purpose is to be turned into timber. The plantations are constantly being replenished either through natural seeding or replanting.

JJ 4 days ago (edited)

It's as always: A simplified solution doesn't match all problems. They're many products for which plastic is the best option (think about medicine products like gloves and syringes), but there are also plenty of products (like packaging for everyday items) where plastic could be substituted easily. Additionally many of those already implemented solutions rely on various plant-based sources like bamboo, stray, hemp, wood or recycled products. There's plenty possible but one-fits-all-solutions never fit all. It would be better for us and the environment, if products were produced and packed responsibly. This is not the case, though, because, you know, money makes the world go round.

3points

Forrest Hobbs 2 days ago

The thing about chopping down trees is that you can easily grow new ones: managed forestry has been a thing for all of history. We just need to apply ago-old management techniques and there is no problem. Plastic is bad for several reasons, only one of which is that it's a problematic pollutant. Also, you can make paper and cardboard from bamboo and bamboo is great: it's grass, so you can cut it down without destroying the growing plant. Pick the right variety, and you can harvest a plot of bamboo regularly without replanting

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