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“You Dodged A Bullet”: People Applaud Lady For Standing Her Ground During Salary Talk With Recruiter
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“You Dodged A Bullet”: People Applaud Lady For Standing Her Ground During Salary Talk With Recruiter

Interview With Expert Worker Doesn’t Share Salary Because It’s Not “Relevant”, Recruiter Immediately Cancels InterviewCandidate Refuses To Disclose Her Current Salary, Recruiter Suggests They Cancel The InterviewRecruiter Gets Spooked And Acts Coy When Woman Questions The Budget They Have For The Job PostLady Lost Out On A Job Interview All Because She Refused To Disclose Her Current Salary
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There are so many hacks for having the best job interview. Many of them essentially involve playing verbal ping-pong with the interviewer. Getting to the job interview round also takes a lot of work, and there may be hiccups to deal with.

This is what happened to a woman who didn’t realize that her refusal to mention her last post’s salary would affect her chances of getting to the interview stage. She took to Reddit to share screenshots of her conversation with the recruiter and express her frustration about the situation.

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Lady refuses to disclose current salary and recruiter refuses to disclose budget for the position, company decides to cancel her interview over the standoff

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The recruiter emailed the woman and asked about her current salary ahead of the interview, stating that the manager may not want to speak about it in person as it’s “awkward”

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The woman said that she didn’t want to disclose her salary but mentioned that she expected to be paid $90-95,000 a year, depending on the benefits offered

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The recruiter immediately told her that her salary expectation didn’t align with their salary structure, but when she questioned them, they refused to disclose their budget

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This back and forth led to the woman’s interview being canceled without further discussion

Navigating the minefields before and after job interviews can be difficult, and candidates can often get stuck in these steps. That’s why Bored Panda contacted Farhan Raja, the founder of Job Interviewology, who specializes in executive interview coaching and has over a decade of industry experience. We asked him if it’s legal for companies to ask candidates about their past salary. 

He said, “it’s not illegal for an organization to ask about your current salary, they have every right to ask, even though it can feel intrusive. In the same spirit you also have every right not to disclose it. However, not disclosing this particular piece of information can ruffle the feathers of your prospective employer, because when they ask such a question, they expect a compliant response.”

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Before you apply for a new job, you can also find out your state’s laws regarding salary history. In certain places, even if the hiring managers ask you about your past salary, you’re not obligated to reply. As Farhan mentioned, you should carefully consider the consequences of refusing to answer. Not revealing it might cost you the job but mentioning it may lead to salary discrimination.

Research shows that many companies might try to lowball prospective workers. Some ask the question to gauge market rates, while others do it so that they can hit you with the lowest possible offer. This has traditionally been an issue for women who, on average, earn less than men. Asking about salary history could lead to discrimination against marginalized groups.

Farhan mentioned a diplomatic way of answering the salary question without upsetting one’s potential employer. You can say, “I prefer not to share my current salary. However, one thing I can say is that the salary range for this role fits in to my salary expectations. We’ve had a really positive conversation today and I’ve really enjoyed the interview, so on that basis, I would like to throw the ball in your court. If you were to make me an offer which you believe is reflective of my interview performance and experience, there is no reason that I would say no.”

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As many commenters mentioned, salary transparency is so important. Companies should be forthright about their budget if they also expect workers to mention their current salary. In fact, New York City passed a bill requiring employers to post the salary range for job openings and to mention all the other benefits that come with the post. Other places have also noticed this initiative, and, who knows, maybe it might lead to change.

Farhan stated that “companies have budgets and the salary range that they provide on the job advert is usually reflective of how much budget they have. However, companies are businesses and ultimately they’re trying to get the best deal for themselves. Hence they feel it’s important for them to know how much you’re earning, so they gauge how much salary they should offer (and save a bit of money).”

As for the poster’s experience, Farhan mentioned that “a woman should hold her ground just as any man would. If a company is potentially going to respond to men and women differently because of their gender, then that should be considered a big a red flag and a company to be avoided.” In this case, it’s hard to pinpoint whether the company was discriminating against the woman because of her gender or whether they simply didn’t want to pay her more.

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Nevertheless, as some netizens said, maybe she got saved from a potentially bad job. If the recruiter was acting so coy about the budget yet still questioning her about her salary, maybe that was one red flag too many. Although it cost her this job, hopefully, there will be better opportunities later on. Let us know your job interview horror stories, and tell us if you’ve ever been questioned like this about your current salary.

People shared some humorous ways that the poster could have served up an uno reverse to the recruiter

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Denis Krotovas

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I am a Visual Editor at Bored Panda. While studying at Vilnius Tech University, I learned how to use Photoshop and decided to continue mastering it at Bored Panda. I am interested in learning UI/UX design and creating unique designs for apps, games and websites. On my spare time, I enjoy playing video and board games, watching TV shows and movies and reading funny posts on the internet.

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KatSaidWhat
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I won't apply for any job that doesn't disclose a salary.

DaisyBee
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone working in HR (and handles recruitment) the salary range on offer is THE FIRST thing to be disclosed, and I never ask what the candidate’s current salary is. If they offer it up to me, I usually add another 5k in my notes so the client goes above ie - candidate earns 90, I put 95, client goes to 100k as new offer for role, candidate ends up 10k richer. My role in HR is to look out for the company, and I do, but my role as a person is to ensure other people can survive on what my company is offering.

LooseSeal's $10 Banana
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who doesn't work in an office/white collar setting, just reading that brief exchange was exhausting. I feel like the insincerity just oozes out of every word.

Kathleen McGann
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so glad I don't work in an office anymore. All that falseness and thanking people who were just dickheads to you is something I couldn't force myself to do anymore. I fear I'd just tell them what I really thought.

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James016
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

“Sorry I’ve been repeatedly told it’s against the law to discuss my current salary”

guyx23 #bringthemback 🇮🇱️
Community Member
Premium
5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously, what's the "story" here? This seems like a routine exchange where both parties acted professionally. Not exactly newsworthy.

ginshun
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with this. It is a little strange to not disclose the salary range to somebody who already has an interview scheduled. Sure, a little. They told her straight out that her salary expectation was not in line with what the position was paying though. That's it. Thanks for your time, cancel the interview, move on. This wasn't that strange of an interaction. A bit unprofessional maybe, but not terribly unusual in any way.

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Heather Derby
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my state salary ranges and all benefits must be included in the job posting and it is against the law to ask for/confirm salary history until after an offer is both made and accepted. Many states have salary history bans now, so I don't understand why their "expert" said it's not illegal to ask a candidate for their salary info.

Sue User
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am still seeing online applications which demand to know current salary. I just put what i want my salary to be.

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somed ay
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Salary ranges are often ridiculous. My organization will post a job with a range of $50k to $95k. That’s not a “range,” that’s two different jobs.

Mama Penguin
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They were clearly trying to lowball her. Just tell people what you're willing to pay. Don't play cat and mouse games with candidates.

Oni
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Reading their messages gives off the vibe of an idiot that tries to imitate an HR recruiter, not a professional. Misspelling "you're" was a dead giveaway.

Mike F
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eartha Kitt had a song out years ago that spoke of a "champagne taste and a beer bottle pocket", sounds apropos here.

Skye Ragsdale
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So glad this isn't legal in my state anymore. All job postings here MUST include a salary range.

Oscar Feliciano
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of those misspellings, from both parties, should have been a red flag.

Griffin W
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You didn't mention in what state this happened, but in California it is illegal to ask about your current or prior salary: California Labor Code Section 432.3 prohibits employers from asking job applicants about their current salary, salary history, or compensation and benefits. Furthermore, in California, since Jan 1 2023, employers are required by law to disclose the salary range for the job in every job posting or job description.

beautiful plumage
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my rule is to never bring up salary or pay expectations first. this rarely comes up in an initial interview anyway. research the heck out of what you're worth & what the expectation range should be in the target job's region. a mgr at your level in austin might make a different amount for the same ksa's & experience in seattle. when you're sure that you're in the final running (or ideally THE candidate), then begin the discussion. no matter what they say, counter with something like "i think this is a good place to begin the discussion. but what i really would love to focus on is what i could bring to the role of.... blah blah good stuff." obviously, if their range is way off then you can politely withdraw. don't burn bridges. you never know who might know whom in your industry. if it's a good range, then keep the discussion going but keep the focus on how great a fit you are for them & don't be afraid of silence during the negotiations. 20sec could = heaps! cheers!

Scott Rackley
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I'm not legally allowed to share my previous compensation package."

MR
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I fail to see the relevance of what someone is currently making rather than whether what you're offering is acceptable. Negotiation is a game of sorts and you don't want to negotiate against yourself. But start with numbers that are relevant.

Tessana Nemenski
Community Member
5 months ago

This comment has been deleted.

Adrienne Stone
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The only reason they would ask is to make sure they only offer you just barely more than what you were making. Screw that, you tell me what you think the job is worth, then I'll tell you if that's agreeable or not.

Tessana Nemenski
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone that works in Recruiting/HR- seeing stuff like this makes me so Angry. This is why I am in 100000% support of states making pay transparency laws- and it actually should be a federal law. If you post a salary that is way too low for the laundry list of a job description? guess what, I am going to save my time AND the company's time by not applying at all.

KatSaidWhat
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I won't apply for any job that doesn't disclose a salary.

DaisyBee
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone working in HR (and handles recruitment) the salary range on offer is THE FIRST thing to be disclosed, and I never ask what the candidate’s current salary is. If they offer it up to me, I usually add another 5k in my notes so the client goes above ie - candidate earns 90, I put 95, client goes to 100k as new offer for role, candidate ends up 10k richer. My role in HR is to look out for the company, and I do, but my role as a person is to ensure other people can survive on what my company is offering.

LooseSeal's $10 Banana
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who doesn't work in an office/white collar setting, just reading that brief exchange was exhausting. I feel like the insincerity just oozes out of every word.

Kathleen McGann
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so glad I don't work in an office anymore. All that falseness and thanking people who were just dickheads to you is something I couldn't force myself to do anymore. I fear I'd just tell them what I really thought.

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James016
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

“Sorry I’ve been repeatedly told it’s against the law to discuss my current salary”

guyx23 #bringthemback 🇮🇱️
Community Member
Premium
5 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously, what's the "story" here? This seems like a routine exchange where both parties acted professionally. Not exactly newsworthy.

ginshun
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with this. It is a little strange to not disclose the salary range to somebody who already has an interview scheduled. Sure, a little. They told her straight out that her salary expectation was not in line with what the position was paying though. That's it. Thanks for your time, cancel the interview, move on. This wasn't that strange of an interaction. A bit unprofessional maybe, but not terribly unusual in any way.

Load More Replies...
Heather Derby
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my state salary ranges and all benefits must be included in the job posting and it is against the law to ask for/confirm salary history until after an offer is both made and accepted. Many states have salary history bans now, so I don't understand why their "expert" said it's not illegal to ask a candidate for their salary info.

Sue User
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am still seeing online applications which demand to know current salary. I just put what i want my salary to be.

Load More Replies...
somed ay
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Salary ranges are often ridiculous. My organization will post a job with a range of $50k to $95k. That’s not a “range,” that’s two different jobs.

Mama Penguin
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They were clearly trying to lowball her. Just tell people what you're willing to pay. Don't play cat and mouse games with candidates.

Oni
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Reading their messages gives off the vibe of an idiot that tries to imitate an HR recruiter, not a professional. Misspelling "you're" was a dead giveaway.

Mike F
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eartha Kitt had a song out years ago that spoke of a "champagne taste and a beer bottle pocket", sounds apropos here.

Skye Ragsdale
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So glad this isn't legal in my state anymore. All job postings here MUST include a salary range.

Oscar Feliciano
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of those misspellings, from both parties, should have been a red flag.

Griffin W
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You didn't mention in what state this happened, but in California it is illegal to ask about your current or prior salary: California Labor Code Section 432.3 prohibits employers from asking job applicants about their current salary, salary history, or compensation and benefits. Furthermore, in California, since Jan 1 2023, employers are required by law to disclose the salary range for the job in every job posting or job description.

beautiful plumage
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my rule is to never bring up salary or pay expectations first. this rarely comes up in an initial interview anyway. research the heck out of what you're worth & what the expectation range should be in the target job's region. a mgr at your level in austin might make a different amount for the same ksa's & experience in seattle. when you're sure that you're in the final running (or ideally THE candidate), then begin the discussion. no matter what they say, counter with something like "i think this is a good place to begin the discussion. but what i really would love to focus on is what i could bring to the role of.... blah blah good stuff." obviously, if their range is way off then you can politely withdraw. don't burn bridges. you never know who might know whom in your industry. if it's a good range, then keep the discussion going but keep the focus on how great a fit you are for them & don't be afraid of silence during the negotiations. 20sec could = heaps! cheers!

Scott Rackley
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I'm not legally allowed to share my previous compensation package."

MR
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I fail to see the relevance of what someone is currently making rather than whether what you're offering is acceptable. Negotiation is a game of sorts and you don't want to negotiate against yourself. But start with numbers that are relevant.

Tessana Nemenski
Community Member
5 months ago

This comment has been deleted.

Adrienne Stone
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The only reason they would ask is to make sure they only offer you just barely more than what you were making. Screw that, you tell me what you think the job is worth, then I'll tell you if that's agreeable or not.

Tessana Nemenski
Community Member
5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone that works in Recruiting/HR- seeing stuff like this makes me so Angry. This is why I am in 100000% support of states making pay transparency laws- and it actually should be a federal law. If you post a salary that is way too low for the laundry list of a job description? guess what, I am going to save my time AND the company's time by not applying at all.

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