“Name One Thing In Your Industry That The General Public Would Be Shocked To Know” (35 Answers)

Thank you!

I'm very liberal, American, and an MD. Get your news from soemwhere fresh. And localities *did* have fines, it varied place to place, as within any nation. Our county instituted a $25 fine, the one next to us didn't.

I'm a liberal american too, and for the past 10 years i've lived in Romania, a country where the minimum wage (after taxes) is about $300 a month. First offense fines were $125, second offense was $600, with a possibility of jail, and ignoring social health mandates while sick causing anyone else to become infected meant jail for up to two years, an 18 year girl actually received that sentence fairly early on in the pandemic. Anything even approaching that in the US was met with outrage by EVERYONE. Medical professionals were dealing with a horrible situation made worse by horrible policy. All they could do was react, and i can't imagine the hell that it was. But that doesn't change the fact that the public, and the media on all sides responded badly, and did so consistently throughout the past 2.5 years. Which is why the US continues to be the #1 loser in this global pandemic.

@Iseefractals, I won't argue there is a huge problem here in the US, but I don't think it's wise to paint with a single brush, and without consulting those of us who were *here* during the event. My state at the time had a left-leaning legislature and governor, but localities still have the right to make their own laws, that's how the system is built in the US. Romania's different. Also, no, we're not the biggest loser. Per 1,000,000 people, that'd be Peru. See: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ Also, Brazil and India haven't told the truth. Nor China. That's accepted fact in the medical community. Triple their admitted numbers is the current thinking Johns Hopkins Epidemiology.

My mother was there, my friends were there. 9 people in my close family, all across the US died in the first 6 months of the pandemic. My wife and i started wearing masks in the beginning of Feb 2020, they became mandatory two weeks later, and stayed mandatory until a couple months ago here. No one has reported accurate numbers. Look at NYC, they were reporting 20-30 covid deaths per day, while the number of people dying was 230 per day, a trend that carried on for months. Testing was scarce for the first 6 months of the pandemic, so anyone that died outside of a hospital wasn't tested and thus uncounted. By april the number of deaths in the US were 60K greater than expected after accounting for covid, and the global count was hundreds of thousands higher than expected. It was horrifying, everywhere, everyone knew it and largely ignored it. Saying the US isn't as bad as china or india isn't a ringing endorsement, especially when the US still greatly undercounted.

You seem to suggest that trump's government didn't close borders or enforce masks due to opposing opinions. On the list of the many things that trump's administration could be accused of, listening to concern about racism from anyone, least of all "liberals", would be somewhere near the bottom

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He built a wall.... I'm starting to think you don't really have much to say except repeat the refrain "liberals railing against racism" (why you wouldn't rail against racism is another matter). But you do go on to make clear that trump failed to close borders or enforce masks due to inaction and incompetence, not due to scruples about racism. The fact you may be able to find some commenters to support your claims is actually incidental. My memory of the situation (albeit looking in from outside) was "liberals" and some on the right railing at trump's (already established in this thread) total unwillingness to do, well, anything. Except of course inject COVID victims with bleach.....

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Now your sounding like "fine people on many sides". Trump was in power. He made (or failed to make) the decisions. He did the damage, or failed to limit it it. He left the borders open. He failed to implement mask legislation, on both points with overwhelming criticism from "liberals", and even some (but certainly not all) of his own party. How you can then say that "liberals" were equally damaging is unclear, especially when many were crying out for exactly the measures that trump was refusing to implement. You keep talking about railing against racism. I put it to you that there is no example of trump being prevented from taking necessary action. He just failed to do it. As for masks, can't speak for the States, but where I am those whining about masks are typically white right wingers.

Sigh...i continue to say, everyone failed. Do you understand that very simple point yet? Protests by liberals continued unchecked throughout the pandemic, and did anyone denounce them on public health concerns? Nope! The message was too important! Everyone should wear masks, right? Except when certain people are caught without then we can argue racism, so it's excusable! During the first 4 months of the year, ya know the most important time in limiting the spread of a pandemic, yes trump didn't do anything....but you know who did? THE REST OF THE DAMN WORLD. Yet social media and liberal news outlets continued to encourage travel to infected countries during these months, they argued against closing borders, and they argued against common sense measures like fines, tip lines. Liberals did that. Do you get it yet? They played a role. They did stupid things too that aggravated the situation during a pivotal time and then everyone just kind of forgot about it.

For the past two years, the narrative by liberals (of which i very much am one) has been to put all blame on Trump and the republicans. No one mentions, or even acknowledged the failures by liberal media outlets during the early months of the early, most important part of the pandemic. Ever, and in the rare even that anyone does, they're bashed for it, because everything is black and white, for us or against us. It's childish, and it's dangerous because this whole thing is going to happen again. This is the new world we live in and making excuses for anyone doing something detrimental to public health, regardless of the motivations should not be tolerated or excused. Nor should it be forgotten.

I think we're not going to see eye to eye on this. You don't seem to be able to go beyond hand waving rhetoric. As you haven't defined "liberals" yet(and I doubt you can) to say that all liberals "failed" is meaningless. Have a great day

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But that's kind of my point, that seeing death can be traumatic. I guess I see that response as being out of touch with reality, clinging to the belief that the self is permanent. I'm not talking about becoming immune to the impact, but rather comprehending the reality of impermanence, which isn't some void, empty nothingness, but the surging forth of existence in each moment through the energy of constant change. Not always pretty by human standards, but reality nonetheless.

Response to and Interpretation of death is individual. You have your own. Being afraid of the Unknown that death brings is not being out of touch with reality.

Reality doesn't need interpretation! 😄