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8 Philosophical Thought Experiments That I Illustrated To Broaden Your Mind
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8 Philosophical Thought Experiments That I Illustrated To Broaden Your Mind

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I am a philosopher with a background in art (which I studied as an undergraduate). Philosophers use thought experiments, short stories that bring out intuitions. It is often not possible to do these experiments in real life, but by doing them in our heads we can learn something new about the nature of reality, about right and wrong, the existence of God and many other topics.

In this series, I’ve brought some thought experiments to life from various traditions.

All drawings are made with Paper 53, the iPad drawing app, and an Apple Pencil stylus. I’ve drawn several more.

The missing shade of blue

The thought experiment: A man has seen all colours, except one particular shade of blue. But he has seen other gradations of this colour, and if he were to arrange them in his mind, it would become clear that there’s a gap. Would he be able to fill in the color using his own imagination?

Significance: Hume came up with this thought experiment as a counterexample to his idea that we learn about the world through experience. If that’s the case, we should not be able to fill in the missing shade of blue but it seems we can. Curiously though, when I presented this drawing to friends, they thought the man’s sweater was the missing shade of blue, but it isn’t! So perhaps it is not so easy to fill in the gap after all.

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Source: Hume, D.(1748). Philosophical essays concerning human understanding. London: A. Millar.

The experience machine

The thought experiment: The experience machine is a special device that can give you any experience you would like: do you want to be a famous jockey or a writer? Would you like to have many friends? The machine would make you believe it’s really happening, while you are in reality floating in a tank, electrodes attached to your brain. Would you plug into this machine for life? Your life would be preprogrammed to maximize your pleasure, but while plugged in you would think it is real.

Significance: What is happiness? Philosophers have debated this question, asking whether happiness is more than pleasure. Intuitively, it seems that pleasure might be sufficient for happiness. This position is called hedonism. But the experience machine thought experiment challenges this idea. If pleasure were enough, you’d plug yourself in the machine in a heartbeat. But most of us would hesitate. This is, according to Nozick, because we want more out of life: we have projects and life goals, and being plugged into a machine, living a fake life, is not a way to fulfill those. This seems to suggest hedonism is wrong.

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Source: Nozick, R. (1974). Anarchy, utopia, and the state. New York: Basic Books.

The child at the well

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The thought experiment: Mengzi considers the case of a child who is about to fall in a well. Without exception, you would feel alarm and distress if you saw this. This would not be because you hoped to gain the favor of the parents, praise from neighbors and friends, because you dislike the cries of the child, or because your reputation would suffer if you did not try to help the child. From this, Mengzi concludes that the feeling of compassion is fundamental to humans.

Significance: Mengzi was a philosopher who lived in China in the 4th century BCE who followed in the tradition of Kongzi (Confucius). He developed the theory that humans have four roots (or “sprouts”) as he called them for morality: ren (humanity, compassion), yi (rightness), li (ritual propriety), and zhi (wisdom). These sprouts are present in all human beings, but they need to be cultivated in order to flourish, just like plants require water to grow. This thought experiment explores the idea that humans are innately compassionate (i.e., possess ren, 仁).

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Source: Mengzi. (2008/4th century BCE). Mengzi: With selections from traditional commentaries (trans. B. Van Norden). Indianapolis: Hackett.

Sleeping beauty

The thought experiment: Sleeping Beauty takes part in an experiment, where researchers put her to sleep. She is told that a fair coin will be flipped. At each waking, she is put back to sleep with a drug that will make her forget that waking. They toss a fair coin. If it lands tails, she will be briefly awakened on Monday and Tuesday. If it’s heads, she will only be awakened on Monday. When she awakes on Monday, not knowing what day it is, what credence should she have that the coin landed heads?

Significance: You might think the chance of the coin being Heads is 1/2, after all, the baseline chance is 1/2 and Beauty does not receive any new information. But Adam Elga thinks Beauty’s credence should be 1/3. Beauty doesn’t know whether it’s Monday or Tuesday, so she should think that it could be either. Given that when Beauty awakes, P(Tails and Tuesday) = P(Tails and Monday) = P(Heads and Monday), the probability of each is 1/3.

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Source: Elga, A. (2000). Self‐locating belief and the Sleeping Beauty problem. Analysis, 60, 143-147.

Otto and Inga visit a museum

The thought experiment: Otto and Inga both want to visit the Museum of Modern Art. Otto has Alzheimer’s. He consults a notebook that he always carries with him. His notebook plays the same role as biological memory usually does. It tells him that the MoMA is on 53rd Street. Inga consults her biological memory and forms the same belief. Now it would seem that Inga has a (tacit) belief about where the MoMA is before she retrieves it from her biological memory. But what about Otto? Although it is not stored in his brain but in a notebook, can we say that Otto’s entry about the museum’s location is a belief?

Significance: Are thoughts only things that happen in our brains, or also in the world? It seems in this case that Otto’s notebook works exactly the same way as Inga’s brain. So if we call Inga’s memory of the location of MoMA a belief, we should call Otto’s also a memory, even though it’s not in his brain. Now you can say that it is not a belief, because someone could tamper with his notebook or steal it. But Inga’s brain can also be affected, for instance, when she is drunk.

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Source: Clark, A., & Chalmers, D. (1998). The extended mind. Analysis, 58, 7-19.

The invisible gardener

The thought experiment: Two people return to their long neglected garden. Although the garden looks wild, there are still many flowers blooming. One of them says, “There must be a gardener at work here.” The other replies, “I don’t think so.” To see who is right, they examine the garden carefully and ask the neighbors, who have never seen anyone at work. They also research what happens to gardens that are left without care. “You see,” says the skeptic, “there is no gardener.” The believer replies, “This gardener is invisible, and if we look more carefully we will find evidence that he comes, unseen and unheard.” The other one maintains there is no gardener. Can this dispute ever be settled?

Significance: It’s pretty clear that this is an analogy about the existence of God and how a theist and non-theist might see this differently. A theist might see design, an atheist does not. The question is to what extent we can see some features of reality as evidence for or against God’s existence. Is it really a dispute about facts, or two different ways at looking at the world, as a garden or a wilderness?

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Source: Wisdom, J. (1944/45). Gods. Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society, 45, 185-206.

The Russian nobleman

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The thought experiment: A young, idealistic Russian nobleman intends to give his estates to peasants upon inheriting them. He also realizes that his ideals might fade. Therefore, he puts this intention into a legal document that can only be revoked by his wife, and he asks her to promise him she will not consent if he changes his mind later on. He even says that these ideals are essential to him: “If I lose these ideals, I want you to think that I cease to exist.” Now suppose that in middle age the Russian nobleman does ask his wife to revoke the documents. What should she do?

Significance: This is a puzzle about personal identity. Is the old Russian nobleman the same as the young man? Should his wife be released from her promise?

Source: Parfit, D. (1984). Reasons and persons. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

The floating man

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The thought experiment: This thought experiment occurs in several of Ibn Sina (Avicenna)’s writings. We should imagine a man who is brought into existence as an adult, out of thin air, so he has no earlier memories. He is floating in the air, his eyes are closed, he doesn’t hear anything, and his limbs and fingers are spread out so he does not feel his own body either. Now the question is: Would this man be aware of himself?

Significance: The question Avicenna is addressing is whether we are the same as our bodies. Avicenna thinks this is not the case, because the floating man would be aware of something. It can’t be of any bodily experience, and he doesn’t have any memories either. Therefore, the awareness must be of his soul.

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Paula Poleni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Either my English isn't good enough or I'm just too stupid to understand this article. How frustrating. :(

Lara Harris
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually think the floating man illustrates the lack of soul. The body is required for consciousness. Without the body, you cant even have the experiment because the idea of a fully formed consciousness springing into disembodied being we innately know cant happen. That means without a body (death) consciousness also ceases to exist.

Lucida
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But not feeling your body and having a non functioning (dead) body is'nt the same thing.

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alex march
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The floating man is hardly an effective illustration. The floating man can feel his stomach whether he's hungry or not. He can flex his muscles. A lack of outside stimuli is not the same as a lack of stimuli altogether. Also, sensing a lack of stimuli is not the same as lacking senses. The man still sees, he sees his own eyelids. He hears his own breathing. He tastes his own saliva. He smells his own odor. In fact, given that he just popped into existence, these sensations would be very jarring. Now if you said a deaf, numb, and blind man was floating in a chemical that is entirely tasteless... then we're talking about the difference between a blinded man and a blind man.

Michael Ball
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Interesting...for the first one, the bottom half wasn't visible at first, so I couldn't see the blue sweater. I imagined what the missing shade of blue must be like. Then I scrolled down, saw the sweater, and wondered, is that it? Then immediately decided, no, it's too...bright? Pastel? Just, not right. I suspect those who see the sweater when deciding are strongly influenced to assume that color "is" or "should be" the right color. Your philosophical artwork is VERY intriguing to me. However, I felt like in the "setup" explanation, you were also giving me the "answer," without me having to wrestle with its significance. I felt kind of cheated and stopped after three. Not saying the approach is "wrong" - just that it didn't work for me. As an alternative suggestion (feel free to tell me stuff it ;-), do each in three parts, with only one part visible at a time? 1. Picture and explanation (for visceral reaction) 2. Questions to consider 3. Analysis

Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hi Michael - thanks for the feedback. I have about 30 of these in total and am thinking of publishing them, but not sure what the format etc. will be. So any feedback appreciated! I am trying to make the thought experiments accessible and to encourage people to think along (also, avoiding ones that are very well known such as the Trolley problem)

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Lucida
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The thought of the The Floating Man made me shudder and my brain to twist.

Lyone Fein
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great post! Thanks for setting up these questions for the general public.

Sykz
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So. The Floating man. The man would feel. He would feel the nothing or floating, The man would still feel his limbs like you feel yours now. It would boggle his senses but I still think he would be able to feel. The Russian Nobleman. The Native Americans believe in at least two lives through out our life time. One being a child/teenager. Two when we become a man/woman, It is not a age that signifies us as being in our second life but our actions and moral compass. The nobleman might have change his mind to something better or worse. But it would be up to the wife if his intentions are pure still.

Melissa Caywood
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's interesting about the Russian Nobleman experiment is when you look at it from another prospective. What if the young man wanted to give his estates to the local "Kill All The (insert ethnicity here)" group? Would it then be okay to change his mind as an older man? Now what should his wife do? Personally, I'd tell him to keep his identity crises to himself. If he's so worried about it, why is he giving himself an out at all? This is, unfortunately, how I respond to most thought experiments. My brain wants a definite answer and so it picks apart the setup of the experiment instead of staying too long on the part I'm supposed to be pondering.

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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It does seem to matter that his early intentions were noble. If they are not, people's intuitions (his wife should not break her promise to his earlier self) change. See here http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/theforum/gauging-personal-identity/

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Tiny Dynamine
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Re: Otto and Inga. The notebook is not the same as her memory because a mental process has to take place to recall a memory that is different to the words being on a page. Our memories aren't stored like words that never change because our memories can become distorted over time. It is also not a belief, just a piece of information that he refers to even though he is not sure if it is true or not.

MRBarker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even though he doesn't remember the specifics, He does remember to look for the information in the book.

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Nigel Hardwick
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Experience Machine - I think there are a number of reasons why most of us would hesitate but not because we believe that hedonism is inherently wrong. The proposal is so far from our expected life experience that we are immediately distrustful ie we have no faith or strong belief that this is possible. I would argue that if this outcome was commonplace and indeed had been verified as a sensible option then we would be more likely to accept but only if our personal set of circumstances was conducive to doing so. The more dissatisfied with your current set of circumstances, the more attractive this offer might seem.

Nigel Hardwick
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Missing Shade of Blue - Colour is an arbitrary human designation and there is no evidence that we all perceive colour in the same way but merely have the same cultural reference. Indeed, visible light is a continuum rather than the discrete bands of a rainbow. Anyone who has seen a paint catalog could be wondering why they had never noticed 'Lilly white' or 'Masquerade' before now so maybe the paint analogy is not the best. However, there are countless examples where our experience of the real world tells us something is missing, especially when logic and scientific method are employed. Indeed theoretical physics has predicted phenomena decades before experimental proof was obtained.

Steve C
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the experience machine arrived at the wrong conclusion. Hedonism is not wrong. As pointed out most of us have a life plan, goals to accomplish etc. and you indicate that hedonism is not a goal. Seems to me the same thinks that pot is bad because potheads are just stoners and never accomplish anything. There is a large body of evidence that say that thinking is wrong, many very successful entrepreneurs are admitted potheads. There are also admitted hedonists who have accomplished much , so I think like many things ,it's in the definitions and biases.

William Leslie
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Peter Singer has a variation of the child in the well problem, only he uses a child who can't swim has fallen into a pool at the country club and a woman walking by has to ruin her dress to save him. Singer, and I in my class, use it to illustrate the moral intuition that we have a moral obligation to save saveable lives when it comes to famine relief and global poverty. Another thought problem I like to use is related to our obligation to animals and the issue of personhood. What if space aliens who were as far above us in consciousness (intellect, refined emotions, etc.) as we are above chickens were to discover that our flesh was so delicious that they began to factory farm us, the way we do chickens? What argument might we offer to be treated as persons and not mere animals?

Walter Heger
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Regarding "Otto and Inga visit a museum" begs the question of what is a belief. Saying that it originated from outside of his mind goes outside the definition of what a belief is. I would stipulate that a belief is created by the brain through whatever mechanism that the brain uses, and it must be processed. This experiment can be extended to allow any arbitrary input mechanism. Had Otto just arrived at MOFA by pure chance, he would not have gotten there by a belief, even though the observer might not know this.

Master Markus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, the idea of a god IS a fact-based idea, as "god" isn't a feeling but a figure, a characterization made up of myths and people's interpretations. Therefore, a god does not exist, and arguing otherwise is factually incorrect, not just a matter of "the way you see the world".

Tigger O
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's not exactly a rational argument. However, I have a different quibble with the 'garden' scenario. It would seem to be an argument for (or against, if you're that way inclined) the intelligent design argument, rather than an argument for (or against) an interventionist God.

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Tiny Dynamine
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The floating man one seems quite primitive to me. Awareness of our own physical body and its positions is called proprioception. This is when, for example, we know how our arm is positioned even when we are not looking at it. It is simply one of our ~20 senses so as long as he has that, yes he will be able to sense it. The soul does not exist, either in terms of there being no scientific basis of what it is. Read about it on wikipedia for more details.

Kristel
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The existence of the soul is yet unknown. But many many years ago, there were no scientific proofs of various things. While they are here now. So maybe in the future (who knows how many years to go) there will be scientific proof of the existence of the soul. Not arguing, just another insight. We know such a small part of this life, world, universe etc. but there are still new discoveries being made. Haven't read wikipedia, because I am not sure if you are talking about the soul-part or other things in your comment. So that is why I said that I am not arguing. I do not know how you see this. Or maybe I understand it wrong because English is not my first language. Sorry for this. But I wanted to respond.

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Paula Poleni
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Either my English isn't good enough or I'm just too stupid to understand this article. How frustrating. :(

Lara Harris
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually think the floating man illustrates the lack of soul. The body is required for consciousness. Without the body, you cant even have the experiment because the idea of a fully formed consciousness springing into disembodied being we innately know cant happen. That means without a body (death) consciousness also ceases to exist.

Lucida
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But not feeling your body and having a non functioning (dead) body is'nt the same thing.

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alex march
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The floating man is hardly an effective illustration. The floating man can feel his stomach whether he's hungry or not. He can flex his muscles. A lack of outside stimuli is not the same as a lack of stimuli altogether. Also, sensing a lack of stimuli is not the same as lacking senses. The man still sees, he sees his own eyelids. He hears his own breathing. He tastes his own saliva. He smells his own odor. In fact, given that he just popped into existence, these sensations would be very jarring. Now if you said a deaf, numb, and blind man was floating in a chemical that is entirely tasteless... then we're talking about the difference between a blinded man and a blind man.

Michael Ball
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Interesting...for the first one, the bottom half wasn't visible at first, so I couldn't see the blue sweater. I imagined what the missing shade of blue must be like. Then I scrolled down, saw the sweater, and wondered, is that it? Then immediately decided, no, it's too...bright? Pastel? Just, not right. I suspect those who see the sweater when deciding are strongly influenced to assume that color "is" or "should be" the right color. Your philosophical artwork is VERY intriguing to me. However, I felt like in the "setup" explanation, you were also giving me the "answer," without me having to wrestle with its significance. I felt kind of cheated and stopped after three. Not saying the approach is "wrong" - just that it didn't work for me. As an alternative suggestion (feel free to tell me stuff it ;-), do each in three parts, with only one part visible at a time? 1. Picture and explanation (for visceral reaction) 2. Questions to consider 3. Analysis

Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hi Michael - thanks for the feedback. I have about 30 of these in total and am thinking of publishing them, but not sure what the format etc. will be. So any feedback appreciated! I am trying to make the thought experiments accessible and to encourage people to think along (also, avoiding ones that are very well known such as the Trolley problem)

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Lucida
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The thought of the The Floating Man made me shudder and my brain to twist.

Lyone Fein
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Great post! Thanks for setting up these questions for the general public.

Sykz
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So. The Floating man. The man would feel. He would feel the nothing or floating, The man would still feel his limbs like you feel yours now. It would boggle his senses but I still think he would be able to feel. The Russian Nobleman. The Native Americans believe in at least two lives through out our life time. One being a child/teenager. Two when we become a man/woman, It is not a age that signifies us as being in our second life but our actions and moral compass. The nobleman might have change his mind to something better or worse. But it would be up to the wife if his intentions are pure still.

Melissa Caywood
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What's interesting about the Russian Nobleman experiment is when you look at it from another prospective. What if the young man wanted to give his estates to the local "Kill All The (insert ethnicity here)" group? Would it then be okay to change his mind as an older man? Now what should his wife do? Personally, I'd tell him to keep his identity crises to himself. If he's so worried about it, why is he giving himself an out at all? This is, unfortunately, how I respond to most thought experiments. My brain wants a definite answer and so it picks apart the setup of the experiment instead of staying too long on the part I'm supposed to be pondering.

Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It does seem to matter that his early intentions were noble. If they are not, people's intuitions (his wife should not break her promise to his earlier self) change. See here http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/theforum/gauging-personal-identity/

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Tiny Dynamine
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Re: Otto and Inga. The notebook is not the same as her memory because a mental process has to take place to recall a memory that is different to the words being on a page. Our memories aren't stored like words that never change because our memories can become distorted over time. It is also not a belief, just a piece of information that he refers to even though he is not sure if it is true or not.

MRBarker
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even though he doesn't remember the specifics, He does remember to look for the information in the book.

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Nigel Hardwick
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Experience Machine - I think there are a number of reasons why most of us would hesitate but not because we believe that hedonism is inherently wrong. The proposal is so far from our expected life experience that we are immediately distrustful ie we have no faith or strong belief that this is possible. I would argue that if this outcome was commonplace and indeed had been verified as a sensible option then we would be more likely to accept but only if our personal set of circumstances was conducive to doing so. The more dissatisfied with your current set of circumstances, the more attractive this offer might seem.

Nigel Hardwick
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Missing Shade of Blue - Colour is an arbitrary human designation and there is no evidence that we all perceive colour in the same way but merely have the same cultural reference. Indeed, visible light is a continuum rather than the discrete bands of a rainbow. Anyone who has seen a paint catalog could be wondering why they had never noticed 'Lilly white' or 'Masquerade' before now so maybe the paint analogy is not the best. However, there are countless examples where our experience of the real world tells us something is missing, especially when logic and scientific method are employed. Indeed theoretical physics has predicted phenomena decades before experimental proof was obtained.

Steve C
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the experience machine arrived at the wrong conclusion. Hedonism is not wrong. As pointed out most of us have a life plan, goals to accomplish etc. and you indicate that hedonism is not a goal. Seems to me the same thinks that pot is bad because potheads are just stoners and never accomplish anything. There is a large body of evidence that say that thinking is wrong, many very successful entrepreneurs are admitted potheads. There are also admitted hedonists who have accomplished much , so I think like many things ,it's in the definitions and biases.

William Leslie
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Peter Singer has a variation of the child in the well problem, only he uses a child who can't swim has fallen into a pool at the country club and a woman walking by has to ruin her dress to save him. Singer, and I in my class, use it to illustrate the moral intuition that we have a moral obligation to save saveable lives when it comes to famine relief and global poverty. Another thought problem I like to use is related to our obligation to animals and the issue of personhood. What if space aliens who were as far above us in consciousness (intellect, refined emotions, etc.) as we are above chickens were to discover that our flesh was so delicious that they began to factory farm us, the way we do chickens? What argument might we offer to be treated as persons and not mere animals?

Walter Heger
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Regarding "Otto and Inga visit a museum" begs the question of what is a belief. Saying that it originated from outside of his mind goes outside the definition of what a belief is. I would stipulate that a belief is created by the brain through whatever mechanism that the brain uses, and it must be processed. This experiment can be extended to allow any arbitrary input mechanism. Had Otto just arrived at MOFA by pure chance, he would not have gotten there by a belief, even though the observer might not know this.

Master Markus
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, the idea of a god IS a fact-based idea, as "god" isn't a feeling but a figure, a characterization made up of myths and people's interpretations. Therefore, a god does not exist, and arguing otherwise is factually incorrect, not just a matter of "the way you see the world".

Tigger O
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's not exactly a rational argument. However, I have a different quibble with the 'garden' scenario. It would seem to be an argument for (or against, if you're that way inclined) the intelligent design argument, rather than an argument for (or against) an interventionist God.

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Tiny Dynamine
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The floating man one seems quite primitive to me. Awareness of our own physical body and its positions is called proprioception. This is when, for example, we know how our arm is positioned even when we are not looking at it. It is simply one of our ~20 senses so as long as he has that, yes he will be able to sense it. The soul does not exist, either in terms of there being no scientific basis of what it is. Read about it on wikipedia for more details.

Kristel
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The existence of the soul is yet unknown. But many many years ago, there were no scientific proofs of various things. While they are here now. So maybe in the future (who knows how many years to go) there will be scientific proof of the existence of the soul. Not arguing, just another insight. We know such a small part of this life, world, universe etc. but there are still new discoveries being made. Haven't read wikipedia, because I am not sure if you are talking about the soul-part or other things in your comment. So that is why I said that I am not arguing. I do not know how you see this. Or maybe I understand it wrong because English is not my first language. Sorry for this. But I wanted to respond.

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