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In-Laws Are Excluding Woman From Family Vacation, Don’t See How It’s Unfair
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In-Laws Are Excluding Woman From Family Vacation, Don’t See How It’s Unfair

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Going on vacation should be one of the highlights of your year. Finally, you get to take a break from work and explore a new place without any of the responsibilities that plague you at home. You can sleep in without worrying about getting to the office on time, and you’ll get to enjoy uninterrupted, quality time with your loved ones. That is, if they include you in their vacation plans…

One mother recently reached out to Mumsnet to find out if she had the right to be upset about the vacation that her in-laws started planning without her. Below, you’ll find the full story, as well as conversations with Amy Morrison, founder of Pregnant Chicken, and Lisa Hides, creator of I Hide From My Kids.

This mother has never spent more than a few hours away from her son

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But now, her in-laws are planning to take him on a trip while she has to stay home and work

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Later, the mother responded to readers and provided more background information

“Everything from feeding to other caregiver competence will play a huge factor in whether or not a child can be without their primary caregiver”

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Spending time away from your child for the first time is nerve-wracking for any parent. Whether you’re leaving them at daycare, with a babysitter or at Grandma and Grandpa’s, it can be difficult to relax. What if he starts crying because he misses his mommy? What if they feed him something that he’s allergic to? And how can I focus on anything else when I’m away from him?

To find out more about this situation and how to prepare children for a trip with their grandparents, we got in touch with a couple of parenting experts, Amy Morrison, founder of Pregnant Chicken, and Lisa Hides, creator of I Hide From My Kids. First, we wanted to find out what age is typically old enough to go on a vacation without Mom and Dad.

“It will vary widely when a child can go on vacation without their primary caregiver. Everything from feeding to other caregiver competence will play a huge factor in whether or not a child can be without their primary caregiver,” Amy shared.

Lisa pointed out that parenting is a series of decision-making and hoping for the best. “Sometimes it’s small stuff, like trying out a new recipe, and then there’s the big stuff, like which high school they should go to. In my case, it’s sending my preteen on the bus and hoping that he remembered to head south instead of north,” she told Bored Panda.

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“The best we can do is provide our children with love, safety, and as many life experiences as possible, and help them practice the skills they’ll need to thrive in this crazy world.” But Lisa noted that most kids are born ready for an experience like this. “I say most because there are always exceptions. But kids are resilient and curious about the world around them. The baby is ready,” she shared.

In this case, it’s more about whether the mother is prepared to be away from her son than whether or not he can be without her

“The question is, is the primary caregiver? It sure sounds like she isn’t,” Lisa says. “What I would say to the primary caregiver is that their baby is too young to remember this trip, but providing the Dad with the opportunity to rise to the challenge of stepping up as the primary caregiver, enjoying intimate time with their baby and the grandparents, well, that’s a special and unique opportunity that may change his comfort level as a parent early on, and serve them well as a unit over the many years ahead.”

So how can parents set boundaries with grandparents who insist on going on a trip or taking the kids on an outing that the parents aren’t comfortable with?

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Amy says that communication is key in situations like this. “What specifically is making you uncomfortable? Are there ways to address it? If concerns can’t be addressed, then it’s perfectly reasonable to set the boundary and say ‘no’. The important communication needs to happen with your partner, so you can collectively decide how you will handle it with the in-laws,” she shared.

Lisa also recommends that parents practice saying no. “It is a difficult but necessary life skill. What I’ve learned is that because we are consistent and united with our boundaries, the parents/in-laws respect them. There’s no pushback anymore. So practice early and often and together. My in-laws love suggesting we get together for a BBQ. Only, here’s the fun part: they’re not the ones who own a BBQ. Sorry, we’re busy!”

“Parents need to support each other’s choices and boundaries, even if behind the scenes they don’t necessarily agree”

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In this case, the parents and grandparents all need to be on the same page prior to the trip. While a vacation with grandparents can be an incredible experience, Amy noted that it’s important that everyone has realistic expectations about how it will go. “How familiar are grandma and grandpa with your child’s routine? Have they spent any time with them alone? Is it worth doing a test run with a sleepover or a weekend to see where the problems might be?”

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“Two issues need to be addressed here: the conflict with your partner and in-laws, and figuring out if your child can do this,” Amy shared. “Your concerns are not unreasonable and need to be acknowledged by your partner. You both have 12 months to figure out a reasonable solution, and it’s doable if everyone keeps an open mind and keeps your son’s well-being as the main priority.”

“We are pretty clear on our stance around limiting junk food, screen time, following sleep routines, etc.,” Lisa added. “We remind them of the consequences; dysregulation, illness, etc. So many times, though, we’ve left the kids with the grandparents and learned that they threw all that out the window. Often, it means we are receiving [grumpy], cranky kids, and with that in mind, we don’t always accept their offers.”

“We decide when it will work for us based on what else we’ve got going on,” the mom says. “It has been so special to watch the grandparents develop their own relationships with each of our kids because we have stepped out of the way when we are able.”

Finally, Lisa wants to remind readers that parenting is hard. “There are infinite ways that parents may diverge in opinion. In matters relating to the parents/in-laws, parents need to support each other’s choices and boundaries, even if behind the scenes they don’t necessarily agree. No throwing each other under the bus. So start there. Work on shared decision-making and mutual respect. Show the parents that you are a strong unit. Go to bat for each other.”

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We would love to hear your thoughts on this situation in the comments below, pandas. Do you think this mother is being reasonable? Feel free to weigh in, and then if you’d like to check out another Bored Panda article discussing similar issues, look no further than right here!

Some readers supported the mom and assured her that her concerns were valid

However, some others thought that she was being unreasonable

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And some understood where she was coming from, but noted that her husband is perfectly capable of watching their son

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Howdy, I'm Adelaide! I'm originally from Texas, but after graduating from university with an acting degree, I relocated to sunny Los Angeles for a while. I then got a serious bite from the travel bug and found myself moving to Sweden and England before settling in Lithuania about two years ago. I'm passionate about animal welfare, sustainability and eating delicious food. But as you can see, I cover a wide range of topics including drama, internet trends and hilarious memes. I can easily be won over with a Seinfeld reference, vegan pastry or glass of fresh cold brew. And during my free time, I can usually be seen strolling through a park, playing tennis or baking something tasty.

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The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, but casually throwing around 'I have PTSD' when you clearly do not pisses me off

Traveling Lady Railfan
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"brings back awful memories" therefore PTSD. Disrespectful self diagnosis to throw around considering some people REALLY have post traumatic stress! "I'm so depressed, my favorite show wasn't in today"(this is NOT depression) "I have a migraine" (no you don't. Have you been to a neurologist? Oh it's just a headache?) Stop throwing these terms around!!

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Libstak
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Never, ever let grandparents or husband leave your country with your child. The fact that they want to do this is a huge red flag to me.

Alex
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone has seen "Not Without My Daughter" but if she can't trust her husband the issues are somewhere else. She doesn't even know where they'Re planning to go, because she didn't care about that, so that doesn't seem to be the issue.

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Giraffy Window
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A young child going on a trip with anyone is a two yes situation. If one parent says no, and the other parent says yes the answer, legally, is no. She needs to be more firm and stop being so floundery "I don't know, I don't like this, I don't want him to go, it's not fair I can't go" No. Say "No, he's not going, this makes me too uncomfortable. Our two year old stays here with me.'

Papa
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that both parents should have a vote, but I also think the mother is being overprotective of the child, and that from the information we have there is no really good reason why she should vote No. It's also possible that her talking about her PTSD, and all that DH and DC and ABC and XYZ business irritates me and influences my decision.

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roddy
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A toddler that young will get absolutely nothing from the vacation other than the anxiety of being separated from mom. Makes absolutely no sense. Grandparents are being unreasonable, the child is not a toy.

Sunny Day
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Entire family EXCEPT babymamma going out-of-country always makes me think "they ain't coming back".

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Her son is still pretty much a baby - and she's the PRIMARY caregiver. I'd say no. Grandparents who he doesn't know much, and although his dad would be there, he's going to miss his mum big style, and at that that age, he'll probably be inconsolable due to not understanding why his mum isn't around. I'd refuse point blank.

digitalin
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would be a little weirded out if my in-laws or parents wanted to take my baby out of the country without me and wouldn't take no for an answer. It doesn't matter how many parents would be ok with that-- if the mom is not ok with that, then it's a no. Even if the dad is going. Taking a baby away without the consent of one parent isn't a good dynamic.

Monica G
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Europe you can't get a child out of the country without BOTH parents consent.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1. Stop calling being upset or anxious PTSD. If you really have PTSD, and you have three kids and aren't getting professional support, you are being a neglegent parent, especially if a child being with his father triggers it. 2. Stop having children with a man that you don't trust to care for his own children. 3. This woman needs professional help if she thinks a child spending time with his father and grandparents is traumatic for her. He's nearly two. I hope husband takes the kids and gets far away from OP.

OrangeStripey Hat
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't be too impressed about my toddler spending time in a foreign country with people who don't make much of an effort with the child in general, even if they are the grandparents. In you eyes because the mother is concerned (even if she is overreacting a bit) she deserves to be abandoned. Aren't you a charming Unicorn........

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roddy
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not to mention the fact that these people are not his usual caregivers. From my experience this means they will get distracted and forget he is there because he is not a fixture in their lives. Losing a toddler in a crowded airport or elsewhere is a nightmare. I don't blame you at all for being worried. Either find a way to take the time off or keep him at home. It's too much stress on both of you. Grandparents and dad will think they have it covered and each of them will have been expecting the other to be watching, so nobody is. From experience.

arthbach
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some parents have a really difficult time being separated from their children. It would make sense to work up to a week away, in a foreign country, in gradual chunks. Let mother and toddler get used to being apart, and learn that they can and will cope.

JD
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is it so important to get the baby committed to this trip THIS far in advance if the baby is flying for free? Will the plane not be able to take off if the baby isn't on board? No. It will fly just fine and nobody loses money over it. Honestly grandparents and DH made OP feel like she had no choice and no real say in this, and no one seems to be trying to understand her side, they just want her compliance. DH doesn't seem to know his own wife well enough to see this coming. Which is a little odd.

Glen Ellyn
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This situation reminds me of years ago. My ex-husband wanted to take our three children to see his dad, who was in his final illness back then. Our children were about 10, 6, and 3 years old at that time. However, they'd never even met him! And we lived about 1500 miles from his parents. Naturally, I wasn't invited to go along. It was the worst argument we ever had, but I stood my ground and refused to let them go. I was not worried about myself or being separated, but it was about our children. My ex was hardly ever in the picture for them and he thought he could just waltz in and take them 1500 miles away to visit strangers? They'd just been through a difficult time, adjusting to our divorce. I knew they would be put in a very uncomfortable situation and I just refused to put them through that. Maybe I'm the AH, but I was thinking ONLY of our children.

Paula Glasscoe
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know you’re not asking for a judgement but there’s no “maybe” here, you are definitely NTA! I can’t believe your ex thought that taking kids that young so far to see a dying stranger was a good idea, well done for standing up for them.

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Big Chungus
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I get this because it's hard for me to let my husband just watch our toddler for long periods of time. My husband is autistic and it is harder for him to console toddler or actively anticipate his needs, and my husband would agree which is why he would never ever take toddler without me or my parents being there. He knows his limits and knows he would need a lot of help which is fine. I would be way more concerned if his crazy mom wants my son for a week trip. I'd probably call the cops lol

BookFanatic
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if they plan to try to steal the baby? Since lil' guy will be with Daddy and Daddy's parents. Sounds off to me.

Maisey Myles
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have questions- why do they only want to take the youngest child? The older 2 would benefit more from traveling to another country as they could appreciate it more. Are the other children hers from a previous relationship? If that’s the case then I’d definitely have a problem. Too many stories out there of a parent or grandparent(s) taking a child on a holiday and never seen again.

Papa
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, she said the other children are from a previous relationship. The parents aren't taking them because they aren't their grandchildren. I believe OP also said the trip will be during school, so it's doubtful that the other children would be able to go anyway.

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Matt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She needs to cut the umbilical cord and look up the ptsd definition

CBolt
Community Member
10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Outrageous! Husband said if OP really doesn't want him to take the child he won't, but that would be selfish of her. Well, be selfish, on behalf of your child's well-being, & tell husband you really don't want your son to go.

Pixie T
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As soon as OP started throwing around the 'PTSD' i took an instant dislike to her. And she's using that term for something as stupid as her ex also wanting to take his kids on holiday. She's absolutely the ah in my opinion and restricting her child's chance to have memories and bond with dad and grandparents.

Mark Childers
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Given the entire background, grandparents who make no effort to see the baby, not inviting the parents initially but then include the husband, and leaving the country with the kid to all places but Spain. It's well known that Americans are welcome, as long as they're self-sufficient and don't cost the country anything. I also wonder about the supposed friends of the grandparents who are supposedly also going with them with their grandchild. It all seems very odd, and I'd be very suspicious.

Surly Scot
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Grandparents who rarely see the kid, and a husband who doesn't watch the kid for more than a few hours at a time, taking a 20month old out of country for a week by themselves. This is how we get another Madeleine McCann.

François Bouzigues
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have three kids, i love my wife. Sometimes, we had arranged to go one week on holidays with the kids to see our families without each other.. It is not a big of a deal at all. The 24h notification is harsh. Grand parents wanting to spend time with their grand daughter. Is there anything purer than this ?

Vinnie
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These particular grandparents never come visit, it's always the OP and her husband who have to go over to their home. It's maybe once a month because the OP and her husband are so busy. Some people are delighted to spend time with their grandkids, others are pretty much done with raising kids and don't want to deal with them anymore. It sounds as if your situation is quite happy and positive, so pure, indeed.

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J. Maxx
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just love all these folks talking about how they'd love a week without their baby. Know what? You shouldn't have babies. Once again folks show that kids are just abjects that they own. If talking care of a child that you brought into this world is just such a burden that before the child is even two, you need a week off, you're a s**t parent. PERIOD.

Vinnie
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Raising a baby may be fairly easy for you and you might never need a break, but it's hard work for a lot of people (lack of sleep, toddlers needing to be watched closely, etc.). They still love their baby and they'll likely still want some communications about how the baby's doing.

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The_Nicest_Misanthrope
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA, but casually throwing around 'I have PTSD' when you clearly do not pisses me off

Traveling Lady Railfan
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"brings back awful memories" therefore PTSD. Disrespectful self diagnosis to throw around considering some people REALLY have post traumatic stress! "I'm so depressed, my favorite show wasn't in today"(this is NOT depression) "I have a migraine" (no you don't. Have you been to a neurologist? Oh it's just a headache?) Stop throwing these terms around!!

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Libstak
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Never, ever let grandparents or husband leave your country with your child. The fact that they want to do this is a huge red flag to me.

Alex
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone has seen "Not Without My Daughter" but if she can't trust her husband the issues are somewhere else. She doesn't even know where they'Re planning to go, because she didn't care about that, so that doesn't seem to be the issue.

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Giraffy Window
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A young child going on a trip with anyone is a two yes situation. If one parent says no, and the other parent says yes the answer, legally, is no. She needs to be more firm and stop being so floundery "I don't know, I don't like this, I don't want him to go, it's not fair I can't go" No. Say "No, he's not going, this makes me too uncomfortable. Our two year old stays here with me.'

Papa
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that both parents should have a vote, but I also think the mother is being overprotective of the child, and that from the information we have there is no really good reason why she should vote No. It's also possible that her talking about her PTSD, and all that DH and DC and ABC and XYZ business irritates me and influences my decision.

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roddy
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A toddler that young will get absolutely nothing from the vacation other than the anxiety of being separated from mom. Makes absolutely no sense. Grandparents are being unreasonable, the child is not a toy.

Sunny Day
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Entire family EXCEPT babymamma going out-of-country always makes me think "they ain't coming back".

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Her son is still pretty much a baby - and she's the PRIMARY caregiver. I'd say no. Grandparents who he doesn't know much, and although his dad would be there, he's going to miss his mum big style, and at that that age, he'll probably be inconsolable due to not understanding why his mum isn't around. I'd refuse point blank.

digitalin
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would be a little weirded out if my in-laws or parents wanted to take my baby out of the country without me and wouldn't take no for an answer. It doesn't matter how many parents would be ok with that-- if the mom is not ok with that, then it's a no. Even if the dad is going. Taking a baby away without the consent of one parent isn't a good dynamic.

Monica G
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Europe you can't get a child out of the country without BOTH parents consent.

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FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1. Stop calling being upset or anxious PTSD. If you really have PTSD, and you have three kids and aren't getting professional support, you are being a neglegent parent, especially if a child being with his father triggers it. 2. Stop having children with a man that you don't trust to care for his own children. 3. This woman needs professional help if she thinks a child spending time with his father and grandparents is traumatic for her. He's nearly two. I hope husband takes the kids and gets far away from OP.

OrangeStripey Hat
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't be too impressed about my toddler spending time in a foreign country with people who don't make much of an effort with the child in general, even if they are the grandparents. In you eyes because the mother is concerned (even if she is overreacting a bit) she deserves to be abandoned. Aren't you a charming Unicorn........

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roddy
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not to mention the fact that these people are not his usual caregivers. From my experience this means they will get distracted and forget he is there because he is not a fixture in their lives. Losing a toddler in a crowded airport or elsewhere is a nightmare. I don't blame you at all for being worried. Either find a way to take the time off or keep him at home. It's too much stress on both of you. Grandparents and dad will think they have it covered and each of them will have been expecting the other to be watching, so nobody is. From experience.

arthbach
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some parents have a really difficult time being separated from their children. It would make sense to work up to a week away, in a foreign country, in gradual chunks. Let mother and toddler get used to being apart, and learn that they can and will cope.

JD
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is it so important to get the baby committed to this trip THIS far in advance if the baby is flying for free? Will the plane not be able to take off if the baby isn't on board? No. It will fly just fine and nobody loses money over it. Honestly grandparents and DH made OP feel like she had no choice and no real say in this, and no one seems to be trying to understand her side, they just want her compliance. DH doesn't seem to know his own wife well enough to see this coming. Which is a little odd.

Glen Ellyn
Community Member
2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This situation reminds me of years ago. My ex-husband wanted to take our three children to see his dad, who was in his final illness back then. Our children were about 10, 6, and 3 years old at that time. However, they'd never even met him! And we lived about 1500 miles from his parents. Naturally, I wasn't invited to go along. It was the worst argument we ever had, but I stood my ground and refused to let them go. I was not worried about myself or being separated, but it was about our children. My ex was hardly ever in the picture for them and he thought he could just waltz in and take them 1500 miles away to visit strangers? They'd just been through a difficult time, adjusting to our divorce. I knew they would be put in a very uncomfortable situation and I just refused to put them through that. Maybe I'm the AH, but I was thinking ONLY of our children.

Paula Glasscoe
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know you’re not asking for a judgement but there’s no “maybe” here, you are definitely NTA! I can’t believe your ex thought that taking kids that young so far to see a dying stranger was a good idea, well done for standing up for them.

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Big Chungus
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I get this because it's hard for me to let my husband just watch our toddler for long periods of time. My husband is autistic and it is harder for him to console toddler or actively anticipate his needs, and my husband would agree which is why he would never ever take toddler without me or my parents being there. He knows his limits and knows he would need a lot of help which is fine. I would be way more concerned if his crazy mom wants my son for a week trip. I'd probably call the cops lol

BookFanatic
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if they plan to try to steal the baby? Since lil' guy will be with Daddy and Daddy's parents. Sounds off to me.

Maisey Myles
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have questions- why do they only want to take the youngest child? The older 2 would benefit more from traveling to another country as they could appreciate it more. Are the other children hers from a previous relationship? If that’s the case then I’d definitely have a problem. Too many stories out there of a parent or grandparent(s) taking a child on a holiday and never seen again.

Papa
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, she said the other children are from a previous relationship. The parents aren't taking them because they aren't their grandchildren. I believe OP also said the trip will be during school, so it's doubtful that the other children would be able to go anyway.

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Matt
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She needs to cut the umbilical cord and look up the ptsd definition

CBolt
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10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Outrageous! Husband said if OP really doesn't want him to take the child he won't, but that would be selfish of her. Well, be selfish, on behalf of your child's well-being, & tell husband you really don't want your son to go.

Pixie T
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As soon as OP started throwing around the 'PTSD' i took an instant dislike to her. And she's using that term for something as stupid as her ex also wanting to take his kids on holiday. She's absolutely the ah in my opinion and restricting her child's chance to have memories and bond with dad and grandparents.

Mark Childers
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Given the entire background, grandparents who make no effort to see the baby, not inviting the parents initially but then include the husband, and leaving the country with the kid to all places but Spain. It's well known that Americans are welcome, as long as they're self-sufficient and don't cost the country anything. I also wonder about the supposed friends of the grandparents who are supposedly also going with them with their grandchild. It all seems very odd, and I'd be very suspicious.

Surly Scot
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Grandparents who rarely see the kid, and a husband who doesn't watch the kid for more than a few hours at a time, taking a 20month old out of country for a week by themselves. This is how we get another Madeleine McCann.

François Bouzigues
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have three kids, i love my wife. Sometimes, we had arranged to go one week on holidays with the kids to see our families without each other.. It is not a big of a deal at all. The 24h notification is harsh. Grand parents wanting to spend time with their grand daughter. Is there anything purer than this ?

Vinnie
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These particular grandparents never come visit, it's always the OP and her husband who have to go over to their home. It's maybe once a month because the OP and her husband are so busy. Some people are delighted to spend time with their grandkids, others are pretty much done with raising kids and don't want to deal with them anymore. It sounds as if your situation is quite happy and positive, so pure, indeed.

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J. Maxx
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I just love all these folks talking about how they'd love a week without their baby. Know what? You shouldn't have babies. Once again folks show that kids are just abjects that they own. If talking care of a child that you brought into this world is just such a burden that before the child is even two, you need a week off, you're a s**t parent. PERIOD.

Vinnie
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Raising a baby may be fairly easy for you and you might never need a break, but it's hard work for a lot of people (lack of sleep, toddlers needing to be watched closely, etc.). They still love their baby and they'll likely still want some communications about how the baby's doing.

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