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Woman Shares How She Tests Out Her Dates For Red Flags Before Going Out With Them, Starts A Heated Discussion

Woman Shares How She Tests Out Her Dates For Red Flags Before Going Out With Them, Starts A Heated Discussion

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Blind dates are risky. You might end up getting ghosted. Or you might not like the person when they show. Plus, there is also a small possibility you might run into someone toxic who is not worth a minute of your time.

But taking chances is necessary if you want to find a meaningful relationship. So it’s all just risk management.

Yes, first dates may be awkward but they are also the perfect opportunity to work out if someone is really right for you. One tumblr user suggests you can start figuring out the person even before you meet them.

The Rain Monster shared an idea for what they think is a harmless little test everyone can do in order to see if the person you’re about to go out with raises any red flags.

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However, if you like texting with someone and agree to go out with them, it becomes a little easier to spot potential red flags. Suzanne Degges-White, Ph.D., a licensed counselor, and professor at Northern Illinois University, says that love may be blind, but be sure to trust your gut on first dates. However, Degges-White thinks that some situations may in fact warn us about future relationship problems.

Warning Sign 1. Imagine he takes you to his favorite sports bar, then spends more time with his eyes on the game on the screen than on you. “If you don’t warrant his full attention on the first date, chances are that he’s made his priorities clear,” Degges-White writes. “If you are as engrossed in the game as he is, this might be a good thing. If he leaves you feeling like you’re already on the losing team, you might need to decide if you want to go into overtime or just admit defeat and cut your losses.”

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Warning Sign 2. Say you meet for a cup of coffee as a ‘pre-first date’ meet-up, and instead of inviting you to talk about yourself, she spends the next hour telling you all about herself. “Unless you were feeding her the questions and she was giving you the answers, it’s likely that her interest in herself will always outweigh her interest in a boyfriend’s life,” Degges-White says. “Poor social skills can be corrected, but overt narcissism is almost impossible to cure.”

Warning Sign 3. You agree to go to a great restaurant. It is known for its awesome sushi or burgers or falafel and he orders a meal about as far off from the specialty as it could be—and then complains throughout the meal that the chef doesn’t have a clue what they’re doing. “It can be a lot of fun to hang out with someone who likes to take the proverbial ‘path less traveled,’ but when they don’t like where it leads them and they look for someone else to blame for their decision, it may indicate that when things go wrong, you might end up the scapegoat more often than you’d like.”

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    Warning Sign 4. You go to a cool new coffee bar but the list of demands she places on the barista when she orders seems to go on and on. Then when all of her demands are seemingly met, she complains that the foam isn’t thick enough. “When someone reels off a long list of demands to her server, she may also be the kind of person who makes unspoken demands on a partner,” Degges-White points out. “Someone who expects her steak done to exactly 143 degrees is likely to expect the same kind of willingness to please from a boyfriend or partner in her life.”

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    Warning Sign 5. He makes great eye contact, he’s also warm and compassionate, laughs at your jokes, and makes you feel like he is definitely ‘second date material.’ But all of a sudden he explains that he’s still getting over a breakup. He admits to being a ‘sensitive guy,’ but he then casually mentions that the breakup happened 11 months ago, adding that your smile or your hair reminds him a little of the ex. “This guy’s probably nowhere near ready to let go of the past and move on into the future,” Degges-White explains. “His appeal may actually be his downfall if he’s bringing out your ‘caretaker’ side. Trying to win your heart by being interested and caring is one thing, but trying to win your sympathy as he talks about his ex is something else entirely.”

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    Warning Sign 6. She spends the first date elaborating on how much she hates her mother or her family or her job or how she’s been wronged by boyfriends or other friends in the past. “People tell you what they want you to know about them. If she’s already sharing how poorly she’s managed other relationships in her life, run now before you end up the next person on her list of ‘failed relationships.'”

    Warning Sign 7. He comes to pick you up and your dog starts barking at the sound of the doorbell. You quiet the pup as you open the door and your date complains, saying you need to get a muzzle for that animal. Or your cat hisses as soon as it sees him on the doorstep and he immediately states that he hates cats. “Converting non-animal lovers can be difficult and when he’s already dissing the pet before a formal introduction, chances are that he’s not going to appreciate the companionship of your faithful pup or kitten.”

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    Warning Sign 8. He just can’t stay focused on you and the conversation or the meal or the film or the music longer than a couple of minutes before checking his phone—and you don’t know if he’s checking a game score, the exchange rate, or firming up plans for his second ‘first date’ of the evening. “His ability to focus on the potential relationship that the two of you are trying to establish on the first date can be a good indication of his willingness to be emotionally present in the future,” Degges-White, says.

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    Warning Sign 9. Your new date spends too much time asking if you’re having fun, if you’re too cold, if the restaurant is OK, if your drink is just right… He’s so solicitous of your feelings that you are becoming oddly uncomfortable. “Everyone wants to be ‘liked,’ but when someone is a little overzealous in their efforts to please someone else, it may be due to low self-esteem. If you don’t want to spend a lifetime trying to assure him that he’s great, the relationship is fine, and yes, you adore him, you may want to reconsider agreeing to a second date.”

    Warning Sign 10. She shares her views on politics, religion, human nature, diversity, money, etc. and you get the feeling that there are some basic fundamental differences in your belief systems.

    “Not every difference of opinion is or should be a deal-breaker,” Degges-White says. “But when the differences bring up warning signs in your own mind, heed them. Remember that wanting to change someone is a lot different than being with someone who wants to change.”
    None of these points are clear-cut rules, but they might help you to get to know your date.

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    Al Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's a great test, nobody should have to justify not wanting to do something to someone they've just met. I'm only shocked that anyone fails it.

    Salty Old Woman
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The way this is being explained doesn't make sense to me. If a man asks me out to a coffee shop. If I tell him I don't like coffee shops, but don't give him any more information than that, how does he know how to make a better suggestion? Is it because I don't like coffee? Or because I think they're too crowded? And how is he supposed to get to know you if you won't answer such a simple question? This just seems bizarre.

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    StIJN
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    only opposition i would have for a tactic like this : don't say no to something you would definitely prefer to say YES to on a second date. most likely the guy will remember "oh she didn't like that, let's never do/go/eat/say that again in her presence".

    Rukkia
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or she just doesn't know you and doesn't feel the need to justify why she would prefer something else at this point. When you get to know her, then she will probably be more open. I have had plenty of times where I have said no because I can't, but am not gonna tell some stranger why I can't. No means no, and no other justification should be needed.

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    GirlFriday
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love this. I inadvertently used this last year. I was asked out and told him that I had a work event on Friday and could meet any other evening that week. He calls two days later and tells me that he made a reservation for Friday so I reminded him that I was not available on Friday and asked to reschedule. He became unreasonable and told me to cancel my other plans. I noped right the heck out of that conversation. He then became abusive on social media and I had to block him. This wasn't even a planned test, but I love it and will use it from now on.

    Ava Grace
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In fact, you had even given him a reason (for the test to be the same as the story you would have needed to just say “I can’t make it Friday”). That he went off even when he knew all the details is so telling. Imagine what he’d be like if you *had* just said no without a reason 😳. Glad you were able to dodge him.

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    Evil Little Thing
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think a woman's refusal is a lie or a mind game, then YOU have a problem. Chick said no. Leave her alone.

    Aliquid A
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a guy I've experienced this problem too. Ages ago I dated someone and she always decided where to go... mostly because I was easy going and didn't care. My response was "whatever works for you, I'm not fussy", but I remember one time saying "hey lets go to ___ for dinner", and she said "No, I don't feel like it"... I brushed it off and went her way, I didn't really care. But then I eventually noticed I NEVER got to choose. So one time I pressed "I would really like to go here, this time. You keep saying 'some other time' but I want to go now", and she immediately went to "why are you making such a big deal about this, what is your problem?"... and went on the attack. Caught me off guard.

    Sinkvenice
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everyone is absolutely entitled to not give a reason for their response but don't forget, it absolutely goes both ways.

    Rukkia
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is the whole point. Everyone should have the right to say no, without a justification.

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    Dre Mosley
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't have an issue with men or women doing these little tests. Too many crazies out there on both sides.

    Isog Sargent
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many years ago, before I was married, if a person rescheduled a first date I simply thanked them for the heads up and left it up to them to ask me out next time.

    Ripley
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This isn't rescheduling - this is just suggesting an alternative (alternative time, or alternative venue) right from the get-go.

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    D. Pitbull
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To make this even simpler - this is a good habit to form to just notice behaviour and pay attention in general - regardless of what kind of relationship it is. New friend? New co-worker? New Partner? It's someone you're planning to be in frequent contact with. In truth, very early on, many people *do* just automatically have to disagree on something very minor - but it's sooo minor that it's just called a negotiation or "we worked it out". Soooo minor that if the other person was somewhat unreasonable about it, we just handwaved the whole thing. Hindsight is 20/20. Was trying to get to know a person (new friend, maybe). I said: "I would like to share about me, but don't want to make others uncomfortable. I need the other person to ask me things so I know they are interested in knowing" - the response was "Well, if you don't feel comfortable, just don't say anything" and they proceeded to go on and on about themselves. Hmmm... Let's think about that...

    Donkey boi
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My train of thought was, Seems silly to say no to something "just because", what if the suggestion was something you would love to do? But then I can understand where they are coming from, there are some seriously messed up and over controlling guys out there, it's good to test that out. But then my brain went another way! It's not a very effective test. Most people that have been in a controlling relationship will tell you how great, reasonable and trusting the person was at the start, that controlling s**t starts slowly, then snowballs. I think it's a shame that people still have to think like this when trying to find someone. But if you're in the UK, just remember we have Clare's law.

    Evil Little Thing
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You would be surprised at how quickly some people (usually, but not always men) lose their s**t when told no - about anything. You don't even need to be planning a date, or have any relationship at all.

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    Sam Yobado
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think you should always weed out people who want to wear matching color shirts.

    Phil Rod
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm surprised that guys would overreact to a woman who messages them to change the plan a bit. If it is only once, no big deal. Things happen. But if she does it again and again, probably a flake or troll, and best to forget about the person

    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it would better be said that a red flag to look for is someone who gets upset over a minor difference in preference, you don't have to make anything up if you're just being honest and paying attention. Talk to the person first, pay attention to how they react to your difference of opinion on something minor. This woman just wants to cut through the red tape and not waste a date trying to pick up on the red flags most of us look for anyway and if you don't know that someone getting upset over you saying no or having a different opinion or a previous obligation is a red flag (a perfect stranger that you're meeting for the first time nonetheless),.....well now you do.

    John Doing
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not a minor difference of opinion. You're purposely changing your opinion just to see how the other person reacts. That's called playing games

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    elfin
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When a woman--or anyone else--says "No," they are not required to give a reason or make excuses for themselves. "No" means "No."

    Meghan
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Enough with the games... how is it honest if a person is just disagreeing to disagree. The tester didn't say that they actually didn't want these things, they just say so to test the person's reaction. You're starting out with a lie. Stop playing games, get real, there far easier and more mature ways of figuring out this stuff. Like just being honest for one.

    Amy Grant
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I missed those flags and went for a dinner in the place he sellected and so on. The place required fancy outfit, which I hate wearing, but ok. Then once we got menu, he started ordering things FOR ME, without even letting me say the word. He ordered milk shake, not knowing I'm lactose intolerant and of course not even asking my choice. We never met again :)

    Rukkia
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What is wrong with people. Just because someone doesn't want to do something once doesn't mean they always don't want to. Ever just not feel like pizza because you already had pizza? Not want to do something on Wednesday because you know it's gonna be a long day. This isn't about permanent choices, but if a potential partner is willing to take no as an answer just because. Shouldn't we all have the right to have that choice? Especially with people we do not know!! Maybe I can't have caffeine right now for x reason, but would love to have I next week. Why do I have to explain this to you? It is currently none of your business.

    Id row
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Automatic disqualifiers would be if they're a bad tipper, are glued to their phone, talk on and on about themselves, spend more time getting ready than I do, repeatedly calls himself a good guy (who is he trying to convince?) or my pets don't like them. And any guy who has a problem with any of the above tactics are exactly why we need them, to weed out people like that. We just want someone who is kind, can make us laugh, treats us as equals, respects us and is a good person at heart. We want to genuinely like the person as well as love them.

    Robert Sierra
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a hard time believing that many people objected to this test.

    Mewton’s Third Paw
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get why someone would be motivated to try and test the level of crazy of their potential partner. Personally I would never ever do this though. I just hate it when people are aloof and vague or not detailed. Actually if I wanted to know if I’d vibe with a man and do an actual TEST, then I’d have to act exactly as I always do, which is talkative and overly detailed. I’ll say no and give a two minute explanation because I want my intentions to be super clear. Lots of guys might not like that. Maybe some people would rather have a straight “no” and not my rambling answers. Probably my own fiancé lol.

    Aleksandra
    Community Member
    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My friend does similar thing, after they schedule a date, she cancels for whatever reason. When the guy is angry or pushy - won't get any date. One guy was so pushy, he asked about later hour but that he could come to her at 11pm.. and when she declined with a reason of that being too late and all, he kept pushing for that one day, and even later than 11pm x.x clueless

    Celtic Pirate Queen
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wish I'd thought of it. Went on a computer date and was really excited because he seemed like a great fit. Complained about the drive/traffic/day at work before he even greeted me. THEN was incredibly rude & obnoxious to the waiter. I just got up and left. What's next, kicking puppies or small children? Not worth my time.

    Powercat
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a man harass me for years. He was a photographer and I knew a lot of girls who appreciated him because he would do pictures of them for free. Many girls told me he harassed them as well while many others had no problem with him. The difference? Saying "no" to him. If you never said "no" to him there's no way he would end up harassing you because he wouldn't "have to". I told the other girls: just say "no" to him once and see what happens. You won't like him so much after that.

    Marnie
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Now they all know, and it is much less likely to work.

    whatever nevermind
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I assume the ladies on here are ok if guys used this tactic too, you know just to make sure they're not the type to get annoyed at the smallest inconvenience.

    Thomas
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, this doesn't work for me. I'm an Asperger and rescheduling anything that is already decided is very, very, VERY stressful. Plus, I'd definitely ask why she wants to reschedule, not because I want to control her, but because a set schedule is a BIG thing for me, so if you ask me to reschedule I'll always assume the worst (like "oh gosh is she alright?, is she hurt?, has her house caught fire?!"). I can control this kind of behaviour, but it would mean lots and lots of additional stress. It's sad, because it led to some severe misunderstandings in the past, before I got diagnosed (now I'll just hand my "I'm autistic, please don't do this and warn me if I do that" list).

    Timmy Pillinger
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sophisticated enough to avoid autistic folk who genuinely find plans changing difficult. Not sophisticated enough to avoid the seriously manipulative.

    Niall Mac Iomera
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just love the phrase, "big gay s**t phase" XD. But I can't honestly imagine how much of a douchebag you are to be offended by this.

    Missy Moo Moo
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup do it all the time. Most men are ok with it, or maybe I just don't remember the ones who aren't

    Mike
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying no--or even testing your date by casually saying no--to something is okay. I get that the point is to see how your date would react. What is not okay, to me, is seeing follow up questions as another red flag. What is wrong with your date saying "Okay, coffee shop B works for me. What do you hate from coffee shop A?"

    Rukkia
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Follow up questions, as long as they are not intended to force the issue, are fine. And it is also fine if they do not want to discuss it. The point is respect.

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    Piet Puk
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love coffee and would really like to know if I could never take a potential parner to a coffee shop, so I WOULD like a little more information.

    Rukkia
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe ask on your date. Example, "This place is great. I'm glad we came here. I know you didn't want to go to the coffee shop, but was wondering if maybe we could do a coffee date sometime in the future?" You get your answer.

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    John C
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep - and men have their own litmus tests, e.g. women's reaction to the dinner bill. And instead of splitting each one at first, I like to alternate paying, that way I get to see how good of a tipper she is. Lots of good intel there.

    El Dee
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think saying NO but then offering an alternative is absolutely fine, no plans have been made no one is inconvenienced it's simply an alternative to the suggestion..

    anarkzie
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    An alternative to this is just getting to know the person you're with, this is stupid and will tell you nothing about your potential partner. If you're going on a blind date and there is concern for your safety then meeting somewhere public or where you can get help from your friends is a far better strategy than seeing if the person is laid back about changing venues at the last minute. I think throwing out tests like this is a bigger red flag than anything else that is mentioned here.

    Garrincha
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I tend to first try to find out if she's a gold digger or not by asking questions and tricking her into giving me the information I need then I leave once I found out she just wants a guy with alot of money. 😂 Another test I do is I talk about "boring" subjects like doing DIY and see if she's interested. More often than not she can't concentrate on a subject for more than 30 seconds. Then I might start talking about someone that I made up and she perks up, I use this test to see if she is one of those women that love gossip and talking about people behind thier backs. I also ask her about things she's interested in to see if she's really into those things, more often than not they just say these things they aren't really interested in those things. For example if a girl says she does yoga I might ask if her arms hurt during the "mountain pose" to which she will give me a bullsh1t answer cos I know its one of the poses where u don't use ur arms, catch her out that way 😂 😂 😂

    tomruns12
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Put the shoe on the other foot. Would you want to be tested like this? There are better ways to get to know somebody than mind games. I gave up on dating over 15 years ago because of s**t like this. Ill tell you ladies there isn't a single one of you worth putting up with this kind of crap.

    Rukkia
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am actually perfectly fine with someone saying no and offering alternatives. That's what relationships are about, compromise and understanding. I think you might just be one of the people this "test" is meant to rule out. No man I'm not a yes ma'am.

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    John Doing
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're making up a situation just to see a response. That's not cool.

    Ava Grace
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nah, men being entitled, misogynistic jerks is what is “not cool”. That you are threatened by women being direct and honest is a short-coming in yourself that you should get some help to examine.

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    Teucer T
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds great... Only works one way though. If men rejected women because of the "say no for something minor without explanation" test, the human species would cease to exist.

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    To be perfectly honest, it's a actually a slightly amateurish tactic to do some "Ellimidate" features for red flag surveys. In the horrible dating world in Los Angeles, and dating apps, I pull no punches. The reason are too many to list, but top reason is the absolute respect of my time, to avoid compatibility disasters upfront, and having super integrity. Top 10 red flags I watch out for UPFRONT are: 1. How religiously brainwashed/contaminated they are. (There is nothing more cringe-worthy than dating someone drunk on the Jesus/Gawd Koolaid) 2. Take any psych-meds? Any bi-polar, or personality disorders? Is their life influenced by a shrink? 3. STD Free? To clarify - No herpes, No Aids, and must show proof of recent STD test since last lover. 4. Understanding of what being single means. . 5. Respect and value of non-animal human life, this also means not eating them. 6. Self sufficient financially, meaning not looking for a prince to buy everything for them like a slave.

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How going to a therapist or having some mental health problems is a red flag? Would you avoid a date if she/he has a broken wrist? It the same.

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    Chordelia Marie
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    I dont like this and im a woman maybe it's my anxiety or something. Saying no to small things and not giving a reason as simple as I dont feel like it seems silly. It also gets a little infuriating if you continually do it. If you just say no bluntly to me when I ask to hang out Thursday and dont give me a reason im going to assume you just dont want to hang out with me. Im suggesting the date at my earliest convenience so that we dont have to wait to see each other. I need reasons so I know whether in wasting my time or not. You dont wanna were the same colored shirts why? It's to make finding each other more convenient so do you have a better idea or do you just not want to? If you turn me down for no reason as a person with anxiety im going to make up things in my head and freak out.

    Hello
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The point is if they try to force it or get really pissed over it. Then they are toxic. Not if they have a good reason or say it nicely.

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    Lance d'Boyle
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    Red flag for me is people who are 'testing' you. I'm very suspicious of suspicious people.

    Colin Mochrie At Its Finest
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are you suspcious of yourself? I should be suspicious of myself as I don't trust people to have good intentions. Once I fake-slept in the car because I wanted to hear of my friends talked s**t about me because I felt like the odd one out. (Spoiler slert: "Is *my name* ok? she seems upset." is what I heard. Lesson: I was probably paranoid.). *Insert cry-laugh emoji*

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    Nicholas Yu
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    3 years ago

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    Okay...problem solved. Guys, say the opposite of what you're feeling. A women who is into games will test you and pick the opposite of what you suggested. The opposite of your opposite is your original choice all along.

    John Doing
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    3 years ago

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    However minor, you're testing someone with a lie. Personality traits have to be discovered naturally, not though fabricated tests. How would you feel if a guy told you a minor lie just to see how you would react? I bet you wouldn't like it.

    Tabitha L
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are not suggesting lying. They suggest expressing a preference. And seeing how the other person reacts to a simple change. I'd rather wear purple shirts than green. I'd rather meet on Thursday than Wednesday. Those aren't lies.

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    Bill
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    If a woman is into mind games R U N. That's a big red flag. Games are for the xbox

    Alexis draskinis
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How is an alternate option a lie exactly? If you say "you want an apple?" And i say "no id rather a banana" and thats all, how have i lied to you? I dont have to explain why i dont want it, why i prefer bananas, none of that. I didnt tell you a fake story about how apples killed my grandma or some crap like that. I only suggested something else. Thats it & this is no different. If you say "lets go out on Fri" & she says "id rather go Sat" she didnt lie to you. And if you get all huffy about her suggesting something different, than you are why we feel a need to do this to begin with. Better to know this about you now than a year from now when the options probably are much heftier than fruits & days of the week...

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    Al Jones
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's a great test, nobody should have to justify not wanting to do something to someone they've just met. I'm only shocked that anyone fails it.

    Salty Old Woman
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The way this is being explained doesn't make sense to me. If a man asks me out to a coffee shop. If I tell him I don't like coffee shops, but don't give him any more information than that, how does he know how to make a better suggestion? Is it because I don't like coffee? Or because I think they're too crowded? And how is he supposed to get to know you if you won't answer such a simple question? This just seems bizarre.

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    StIJN
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    only opposition i would have for a tactic like this : don't say no to something you would definitely prefer to say YES to on a second date. most likely the guy will remember "oh she didn't like that, let's never do/go/eat/say that again in her presence".

    Rukkia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or she just doesn't know you and doesn't feel the need to justify why she would prefer something else at this point. When you get to know her, then she will probably be more open. I have had plenty of times where I have said no because I can't, but am not gonna tell some stranger why I can't. No means no, and no other justification should be needed.

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    GirlFriday
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love this. I inadvertently used this last year. I was asked out and told him that I had a work event on Friday and could meet any other evening that week. He calls two days later and tells me that he made a reservation for Friday so I reminded him that I was not available on Friday and asked to reschedule. He became unreasonable and told me to cancel my other plans. I noped right the heck out of that conversation. He then became abusive on social media and I had to block him. This wasn't even a planned test, but I love it and will use it from now on.

    Ava Grace
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In fact, you had even given him a reason (for the test to be the same as the story you would have needed to just say “I can’t make it Friday”). That he went off even when he knew all the details is so telling. Imagine what he’d be like if you *had* just said no without a reason 😳. Glad you were able to dodge him.

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    Evil Little Thing
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think a woman's refusal is a lie or a mind game, then YOU have a problem. Chick said no. Leave her alone.

    Aliquid A
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a guy I've experienced this problem too. Ages ago I dated someone and she always decided where to go... mostly because I was easy going and didn't care. My response was "whatever works for you, I'm not fussy", but I remember one time saying "hey lets go to ___ for dinner", and she said "No, I don't feel like it"... I brushed it off and went her way, I didn't really care. But then I eventually noticed I NEVER got to choose. So one time I pressed "I would really like to go here, this time. You keep saying 'some other time' but I want to go now", and she immediately went to "why are you making such a big deal about this, what is your problem?"... and went on the attack. Caught me off guard.

    Sinkvenice
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everyone is absolutely entitled to not give a reason for their response but don't forget, it absolutely goes both ways.

    Rukkia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is the whole point. Everyone should have the right to say no, without a justification.

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    Dre Mosley
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't have an issue with men or women doing these little tests. Too many crazies out there on both sides.

    Isog Sargent
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many years ago, before I was married, if a person rescheduled a first date I simply thanked them for the heads up and left it up to them to ask me out next time.

    Ripley
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This isn't rescheduling - this is just suggesting an alternative (alternative time, or alternative venue) right from the get-go.

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    D. Pitbull
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To make this even simpler - this is a good habit to form to just notice behaviour and pay attention in general - regardless of what kind of relationship it is. New friend? New co-worker? New Partner? It's someone you're planning to be in frequent contact with. In truth, very early on, many people *do* just automatically have to disagree on something very minor - but it's sooo minor that it's just called a negotiation or "we worked it out". Soooo minor that if the other person was somewhat unreasonable about it, we just handwaved the whole thing. Hindsight is 20/20. Was trying to get to know a person (new friend, maybe). I said: "I would like to share about me, but don't want to make others uncomfortable. I need the other person to ask me things so I know they are interested in knowing" - the response was "Well, if you don't feel comfortable, just don't say anything" and they proceeded to go on and on about themselves. Hmmm... Let's think about that...

    Donkey boi
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My train of thought was, Seems silly to say no to something "just because", what if the suggestion was something you would love to do? But then I can understand where they are coming from, there are some seriously messed up and over controlling guys out there, it's good to test that out. But then my brain went another way! It's not a very effective test. Most people that have been in a controlling relationship will tell you how great, reasonable and trusting the person was at the start, that controlling s**t starts slowly, then snowballs. I think it's a shame that people still have to think like this when trying to find someone. But if you're in the UK, just remember we have Clare's law.

    Evil Little Thing
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You would be surprised at how quickly some people (usually, but not always men) lose their s**t when told no - about anything. You don't even need to be planning a date, or have any relationship at all.

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    Sam Yobado
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think you should always weed out people who want to wear matching color shirts.

    Phil Rod
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm surprised that guys would overreact to a woman who messages them to change the plan a bit. If it is only once, no big deal. Things happen. But if she does it again and again, probably a flake or troll, and best to forget about the person

    Ms.GB
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it would better be said that a red flag to look for is someone who gets upset over a minor difference in preference, you don't have to make anything up if you're just being honest and paying attention. Talk to the person first, pay attention to how they react to your difference of opinion on something minor. This woman just wants to cut through the red tape and not waste a date trying to pick up on the red flags most of us look for anyway and if you don't know that someone getting upset over you saying no or having a different opinion or a previous obligation is a red flag (a perfect stranger that you're meeting for the first time nonetheless),.....well now you do.

    John Doing
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not a minor difference of opinion. You're purposely changing your opinion just to see how the other person reacts. That's called playing games

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    elfin
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When a woman--or anyone else--says "No," they are not required to give a reason or make excuses for themselves. "No" means "No."

    Meghan
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Enough with the games... how is it honest if a person is just disagreeing to disagree. The tester didn't say that they actually didn't want these things, they just say so to test the person's reaction. You're starting out with a lie. Stop playing games, get real, there far easier and more mature ways of figuring out this stuff. Like just being honest for one.

    Amy Grant
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    3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I missed those flags and went for a dinner in the place he sellected and so on. The place required fancy outfit, which I hate wearing, but ok. Then once we got menu, he started ordering things FOR ME, without even letting me say the word. He ordered milk shake, not knowing I'm lactose intolerant and of course not even asking my choice. We never met again :)

    Rukkia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What is wrong with people. Just because someone doesn't want to do something once doesn't mean they always don't want to. Ever just not feel like pizza because you already had pizza? Not want to do something on Wednesday because you know it's gonna be a long day. This isn't about permanent choices, but if a potential partner is willing to take no as an answer just because. Shouldn't we all have the right to have that choice? Especially with people we do not know!! Maybe I can't have caffeine right now for x reason, but would love to have I next week. Why do I have to explain this to you? It is currently none of your business.

    Id row
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Automatic disqualifiers would be if they're a bad tipper, are glued to their phone, talk on and on about themselves, spend more time getting ready than I do, repeatedly calls himself a good guy (who is he trying to convince?) or my pets don't like them. And any guy who has a problem with any of the above tactics are exactly why we need them, to weed out people like that. We just want someone who is kind, can make us laugh, treats us as equals, respects us and is a good person at heart. We want to genuinely like the person as well as love them.

    Robert Sierra
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a hard time believing that many people objected to this test.

    Mewton’s Third Paw
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get why someone would be motivated to try and test the level of crazy of their potential partner. Personally I would never ever do this though. I just hate it when people are aloof and vague or not detailed. Actually if I wanted to know if I’d vibe with a man and do an actual TEST, then I’d have to act exactly as I always do, which is talkative and overly detailed. I’ll say no and give a two minute explanation because I want my intentions to be super clear. Lots of guys might not like that. Maybe some people would rather have a straight “no” and not my rambling answers. Probably my own fiancé lol.

    Aleksandra
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My friend does similar thing, after they schedule a date, she cancels for whatever reason. When the guy is angry or pushy - won't get any date. One guy was so pushy, he asked about later hour but that he could come to her at 11pm.. and when she declined with a reason of that being too late and all, he kept pushing for that one day, and even later than 11pm x.x clueless

    Celtic Pirate Queen
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wish I'd thought of it. Went on a computer date and was really excited because he seemed like a great fit. Complained about the drive/traffic/day at work before he even greeted me. THEN was incredibly rude & obnoxious to the waiter. I just got up and left. What's next, kicking puppies or small children? Not worth my time.

    Powercat
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a man harass me for years. He was a photographer and I knew a lot of girls who appreciated him because he would do pictures of them for free. Many girls told me he harassed them as well while many others had no problem with him. The difference? Saying "no" to him. If you never said "no" to him there's no way he would end up harassing you because he wouldn't "have to". I told the other girls: just say "no" to him once and see what happens. You won't like him so much after that.

    Marnie
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Now they all know, and it is much less likely to work.

    whatever nevermind
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I assume the ladies on here are ok if guys used this tactic too, you know just to make sure they're not the type to get annoyed at the smallest inconvenience.

    Thomas
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, this doesn't work for me. I'm an Asperger and rescheduling anything that is already decided is very, very, VERY stressful. Plus, I'd definitely ask why she wants to reschedule, not because I want to control her, but because a set schedule is a BIG thing for me, so if you ask me to reschedule I'll always assume the worst (like "oh gosh is she alright?, is she hurt?, has her house caught fire?!"). I can control this kind of behaviour, but it would mean lots and lots of additional stress. It's sad, because it led to some severe misunderstandings in the past, before I got diagnosed (now I'll just hand my "I'm autistic, please don't do this and warn me if I do that" list).

    Timmy Pillinger
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sophisticated enough to avoid autistic folk who genuinely find plans changing difficult. Not sophisticated enough to avoid the seriously manipulative.

    Niall Mac Iomera
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just love the phrase, "big gay s**t phase" XD. But I can't honestly imagine how much of a douchebag you are to be offended by this.

    Missy Moo Moo
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup do it all the time. Most men are ok with it, or maybe I just don't remember the ones who aren't

    Mike
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Saying no--or even testing your date by casually saying no--to something is okay. I get that the point is to see how your date would react. What is not okay, to me, is seeing follow up questions as another red flag. What is wrong with your date saying "Okay, coffee shop B works for me. What do you hate from coffee shop A?"

    Rukkia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Follow up questions, as long as they are not intended to force the issue, are fine. And it is also fine if they do not want to discuss it. The point is respect.

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    Piet Puk
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love coffee and would really like to know if I could never take a potential parner to a coffee shop, so I WOULD like a little more information.

    Rukkia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe ask on your date. Example, "This place is great. I'm glad we came here. I know you didn't want to go to the coffee shop, but was wondering if maybe we could do a coffee date sometime in the future?" You get your answer.

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    John C
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep - and men have their own litmus tests, e.g. women's reaction to the dinner bill. And instead of splitting each one at first, I like to alternate paying, that way I get to see how good of a tipper she is. Lots of good intel there.

    El Dee
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think saying NO but then offering an alternative is absolutely fine, no plans have been made no one is inconvenienced it's simply an alternative to the suggestion..

    anarkzie
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    An alternative to this is just getting to know the person you're with, this is stupid and will tell you nothing about your potential partner. If you're going on a blind date and there is concern for your safety then meeting somewhere public or where you can get help from your friends is a far better strategy than seeing if the person is laid back about changing venues at the last minute. I think throwing out tests like this is a bigger red flag than anything else that is mentioned here.

    Garrincha
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I tend to first try to find out if she's a gold digger or not by asking questions and tricking her into giving me the information I need then I leave once I found out she just wants a guy with alot of money. 😂 Another test I do is I talk about "boring" subjects like doing DIY and see if she's interested. More often than not she can't concentrate on a subject for more than 30 seconds. Then I might start talking about someone that I made up and she perks up, I use this test to see if she is one of those women that love gossip and talking about people behind thier backs. I also ask her about things she's interested in to see if she's really into those things, more often than not they just say these things they aren't really interested in those things. For example if a girl says she does yoga I might ask if her arms hurt during the "mountain pose" to which she will give me a bullsh1t answer cos I know its one of the poses where u don't use ur arms, catch her out that way 😂 😂 😂

    tomruns12
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Put the shoe on the other foot. Would you want to be tested like this? There are better ways to get to know somebody than mind games. I gave up on dating over 15 years ago because of s**t like this. Ill tell you ladies there isn't a single one of you worth putting up with this kind of crap.

    Rukkia
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am actually perfectly fine with someone saying no and offering alternatives. That's what relationships are about, compromise and understanding. I think you might just be one of the people this "test" is meant to rule out. No man I'm not a yes ma'am.

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    John Doing
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're making up a situation just to see a response. That's not cool.

    Ava Grace
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nah, men being entitled, misogynistic jerks is what is “not cool”. That you are threatened by women being direct and honest is a short-coming in yourself that you should get some help to examine.

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    Teucer T
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds great... Only works one way though. If men rejected women because of the "say no for something minor without explanation" test, the human species would cease to exist.

    Skyheart V
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    To be perfectly honest, it's a actually a slightly amateurish tactic to do some "Ellimidate" features for red flag surveys. In the horrible dating world in Los Angeles, and dating apps, I pull no punches. The reason are too many to list, but top reason is the absolute respect of my time, to avoid compatibility disasters upfront, and having super integrity. Top 10 red flags I watch out for UPFRONT are: 1. How religiously brainwashed/contaminated they are. (There is nothing more cringe-worthy than dating someone drunk on the Jesus/Gawd Koolaid) 2. Take any psych-meds? Any bi-polar, or personality disorders? Is their life influenced by a shrink? 3. STD Free? To clarify - No herpes, No Aids, and must show proof of recent STD test since last lover. 4. Understanding of what being single means. . 5. Respect and value of non-animal human life, this also means not eating them. 6. Self sufficient financially, meaning not looking for a prince to buy everything for them like a slave.

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How going to a therapist or having some mental health problems is a red flag? Would you avoid a date if she/he has a broken wrist? It the same.

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    Chordelia Marie
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    3 years ago

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    I dont like this and im a woman maybe it's my anxiety or something. Saying no to small things and not giving a reason as simple as I dont feel like it seems silly. It also gets a little infuriating if you continually do it. If you just say no bluntly to me when I ask to hang out Thursday and dont give me a reason im going to assume you just dont want to hang out with me. Im suggesting the date at my earliest convenience so that we dont have to wait to see each other. I need reasons so I know whether in wasting my time or not. You dont wanna were the same colored shirts why? It's to make finding each other more convenient so do you have a better idea or do you just not want to? If you turn me down for no reason as a person with anxiety im going to make up things in my head and freak out.

    Hello
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The point is if they try to force it or get really pissed over it. Then they are toxic. Not if they have a good reason or say it nicely.

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    Lance d'Boyle
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    Red flag for me is people who are 'testing' you. I'm very suspicious of suspicious people.

    Colin Mochrie At Its Finest
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are you suspcious of yourself? I should be suspicious of myself as I don't trust people to have good intentions. Once I fake-slept in the car because I wanted to hear of my friends talked s**t about me because I felt like the odd one out. (Spoiler slert: "Is *my name* ok? she seems upset." is what I heard. Lesson: I was probably paranoid.). *Insert cry-laugh emoji*

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    Nicholas Yu
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    Okay...problem solved. Guys, say the opposite of what you're feeling. A women who is into games will test you and pick the opposite of what you suggested. The opposite of your opposite is your original choice all along.

    John Doing
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    3 years ago

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    However minor, you're testing someone with a lie. Personality traits have to be discovered naturally, not though fabricated tests. How would you feel if a guy told you a minor lie just to see how you would react? I bet you wouldn't like it.

    Tabitha L
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are not suggesting lying. They suggest expressing a preference. And seeing how the other person reacts to a simple change. I'd rather wear purple shirts than green. I'd rather meet on Thursday than Wednesday. Those aren't lies.

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    Bill
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    If a woman is into mind games R U N. That's a big red flag. Games are for the xbox

    Alexis draskinis
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How is an alternate option a lie exactly? If you say "you want an apple?" And i say "no id rather a banana" and thats all, how have i lied to you? I dont have to explain why i dont want it, why i prefer bananas, none of that. I didnt tell you a fake story about how apples killed my grandma or some crap like that. I only suggested something else. Thats it & this is no different. If you say "lets go out on Fri" & she says "id rather go Sat" she didnt lie to you. And if you get all huffy about her suggesting something different, than you are why we feel a need to do this to begin with. Better to know this about you now than a year from now when the options probably are much heftier than fruits & days of the week...

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