Women were laughed at for literal centuries, Bob. Laughed at, sneered, mocked, and taunted. By men and even some fellow women alike. It is only a problem if you let it be.

Laughed at, assaulted, arrested, S*xually assaulted, and generally abused for trying to change the way we are treated, attempting to support other women, and generally trying to be treated as equally human. Men are the ones laughing at anyone that admits to needing help. There's a whole name for that, Toxic Masculinity, and it encapsulates a host of those behaviors.

And women weren’t ridiculed or laughed at while fighting for their cause? Why would that be a hindrance?

Support groups for men exist, all kinds of support groups.

You really think women were not laughed at??

And that's part of the problem.

S T is a dreadfully boorish idiot and a revolting mattress-soiling moving stench of leprosy.

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So you haven't tried it.

@Parmeisan: I don’t think that starting a company and founding a support group is the same. One takes all your life savings, requires taking up debt and changing your occupation, the other is something you can do one evening a week after work on a non-paid basis, no risk involved.

The point is, listen.

Because if there's one thing men suffer from, it's NOT being listened to. This is White History Month-type thinking. Dare to recognize the erasure of black people from history with Black History Month? Watch white people start screaming why isn't there a White History Month?! Because EVERY MONTH is White History Month. "Why aren't there "Mens' Studies?!" whine oppressed men. Because UNTIL a few enterprising women started studying women writers, men had spent hundreds of years keeping women illiterate and ignorant, then declared women weren't as good as men, so why study them? It was all men, all the time. "Why isn't it ALL lives matter, huh?" Because that's implicit, but all BLM is say black lives matter TOO. Given the ratio of white male Trumpie cops making up 80-90% of most police forces, to the fact that black people only make up about 12% of SOCIETY, yet get arrested and murdered way more than 12% of the time. Some people argue, for example, that that means that black people be committing more crimes than white folks. That's racist. Maybe, after all the cops who've been caught on video killing black children within a fraction of a second, maybe it's that those white boy Trumpie cops who are falsely accusing, arresting, and jailing black people all out of proportion to the population percentage. Certain men tell you that they get treated unfairly by the courts because they don't get custody. But they don't fight for it. Then they blame women for it.

Thank you for being part of the problem. Instead of agreeing there are issues you just state that our issues aren't as bad as your issues. This isn't a pissing contest of who has it worse.

No, honey, YOU don't have it as bad. YOU expect support groups to magically appear, and whine about it. WOMEN. DID.

Um, Michal Jastrzebski is repeating a popular MGTOW/MRA/ Trumpie-lite canard.

Women FORMED those support groups. You guys just wait around and whine that support groups for men aren't being magically delivered by the Support Group Fairy. Plus, you can't tell the difference between clothing and being abused?

Bob, you assume all women report all the time. Lucky if actual reporting is at 10%. Repercussions are massive for women in countries that are male dictated or mostly male governments. When it comes to dv and family violence, less than 10% report and lucky if 5% get punished. Alot of dv against men are infact other men, not women gone crazy. And that's not often reported because there never was much sympathy for men who get bashed by thier stocking wearing boyfriend, kinda hard to explain to your parents...or wife...in a country that jails you for being gay. Reasons are many, but I can tell you a f**kton of women don't report so maybe multiply the "statistic" number by 9 and you'll be closer to a real number.

@Soni, I don't speak for the world, I speak as an American male for American males. Again, the point is women should not just dismissing this issue just because they believe they have it worse. Both men and women have issues that differ in their own ways. This should be a group conversation about all the issues. Not a conversation where one side gets dismissed because they are different from the other. How hard is that to understand?

So it's NOT reported but you and you alone know it's at least as bad as women. Research, you say? Name your sources.

@Gin, the Catholic Church scandal. Now name yours. The point all of you down voting men fail to see over and over again is this is not some pissing contest of who has it worse. The fact you are blatantly disregarding this problem shows why it's so hard for men to talk about. YOU ARE LITERALLY THE F*****G PROBLEM

You're doing the pissing, Bob, and yet you have not provided one single source. Never heard of the Magdalene laundries? Why don't you tell me about female priests and Cardinals in the Catholic Church? Oh, gee, there are none? WHY COULD THAT BE, I WONDER.

But he is right, you are a part of the problem.

But...the research agrees with Stille, Bob...so what are you talking about?

@Aria, the research also states male abuse is far unreported. Explain the Catholic Chirch to men if you think it's not so bad lol

@Bob...the Catholic Church abused BOTH girls and boys alike, first of all. Secondly, no one said it was "not so bad"....they said it was "not AS bad". Two different statements there, Bob...you seem to be arguing the one that he did not say. Where is the woman version of the "lovable dad bod"? Where are all the hunky male leads with overweight, average looking women on their arms? Where are all the ads shaming men continuously? Help me find them, Bob, since it is "just as bad" for men....

You think GIRLS weren't abused? Hi, there goes YOUR credibility.

not what he said