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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Mother Theresa. My father was a taxi driver in Australia and one of his customers was a man who'd been raised in Mother Theresa's orphanage. He said she beat him terribly.

Another user also added: She was obsessed with preventing wartime sexual abuse victims from getting abortions.

Her order sold babies.

She buddied up to dictators and accepted stolen cash from them.

Collected millions in donations and never spent them on her "houses of the poor" which were vermin infested crapholes where people went to die.

Refused pain medication for the dying and ill because she believed suffering = being close to god.

Had nothing but top of the line medical care for herself.

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Lucifer 2 years ago

Teresa was a horrible human being. She believed that only through pain you can reach Christ, so let the people suffer in her care. And it was backed by the Catholic Church so that she can convert as many people as possible to Christianity. And the Western world backed her with billions in donations. (Read 'Missionary Position' By Christopher Hitchens)

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Thomas Edison. I’ll never forgive him for what he did to Tesla.

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Nunya Business 2 years ago

He electrocuted an elephant to death to prove his point about AC/DC electricity and I will forever detest him for that.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Ronald Reagan - moved somewhere between 50-80 TRILLION from middle class to upper 1%. Ruined America!

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Lucifer 2 years ago

Reagan is the reason why America is in such a mess right now. He was the original cult leader, before Trump took over the GOP.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Coco Chanel was a goddamn Nazi spy. Yes, she was an incredible designer, and she's probably one of the most influential humans of the 20th century, based on the number of people who have worn clothing directly inspired by her over the past 100 years. She really did change the way women dress in a truly radical way, and I respect that - knitwear, feminized menswear, ditching the corset, transforming black into an everyday color, the essential skirt suit, costume jewelry, synthetic fragrances in perfume, the list goes on.

But she was a goddamn Nazi spy. Coco was a wretched anti-Semite, like so many other members of the European elite during the 30s. She dated a number of staggeringly wealthy British aristocrats and they'd all sit around talking about the Protocols of Zion and s**t, trying to figure out whether any members of the royal family were secretly Jews, etc. When war broke out, the two Jewish brothers who ran her perfume empire (aka Chanel No 5, the best selling perfume in the world then and now) had to flee to the US for safety. How did Coco respond? By writing to the Nazis to ask them to transfer ownership over to her, a good Aryan, so she could make more money. But that's not the half of it.

She fell in love with a dashing German spy named "Spitz" who'd been seducing bluebloods all over France and England for years leading up the war. Coco was a useful woman - she was simply one of the richest women in the world, and she knew everyone in the British aristocracy, including her old hunting buddy and dear friend, Winston Churchill himself. She and Spitz socialized with all the biggest Nazi names in town, especially Otto Abetz, the Nazi ambassador to France, who invited them to every party in town. Spitz convinced her to join the Abwehr (aka the German secret service) and make trips to Spain. Operating under the code name "Westminster", she attempted to broker a "separate peace" between Germany and England. (In the meantime, she may or may not have reported at least one woman at the Hotel Ritz whom she suspected of being Jewish to the SS.) She had a grand old time going on her adventures, and wrote about the excitement of working for the Abwehr in her private notes.

Chanel was arrested only a few days after the liberation of Paris - absolutely everyone in town knew what she'd been doing and who she'd been doing it with - but for rEaSoNs UnKnOwN she was released without charges. It's widely believed that Winston Churchill personally intervened. It might be because the two of them had been close friends for decades. It might be because she was going to embarrass the s**t out of Britain by outing all the anti-Semites and pro-Nazis in the British aristocracy - including the recently abdicated Edward VIII who used his f***ng honeymoon as an excuse to tour Nazi Germany and shake Hitler's hand. She spent the rest of her life being a nasty, bitter morphine addict living in the Hotel Ritz. The House of Chanel has very, very little to say about the matter, and every few years a few more bits of damning evidence are declassified from the vaults.

If you want to learn more, I did a whole episode about her Nazi days in my French history podcast: "The Collaborator"

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Eric G 2 years ago

Add Henry Ford and Walt Disney to this list. Both noted anti-semites.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Pablo Picasso, he was misogynistic and sexually assaulted women

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karl briggs 2 years ago

And children.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Gandhi. After learning all the colorist and racist s**t he would say to those who had darker complexion or those of African descent in my 8th grade year i haven’t seen him the same.

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Lucifer 2 years ago

Gandhi was racist and also liked younger women.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Bill Cosby. America's dad. Up until those allegations started

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

he had creepy eyes IMO even when I was little, and being little, I'd say "creeper eyes"...

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Woodrow Wilson.

Guy was majorly racist, segregated the military, kicked black people out of the government, he screened a KKK movie in the White House and was a strong defender of the KKK. Even for his time he was considered racist

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Bee she/her 2 years ago

BUT HE KEPT US OUT OF WAR🙄

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers PT BARNUM.

Most people know but due to the romanticization of The Greatest Showman, people should know that he was a maniac that did an ungodly experiments on living beings, locked people in cages, abused them, and mocked them. All whilst earning pocket from them.

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Florence 2 years ago (edited)

i loved the greatest showman and i knew these things but i didn’t realize how the greatest showman was covering up the true stories of how shitty he was

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers John Lennon. Treated like s**t during his childhood, whinges about it his whole life, then does the exact same thing to his son Julian.

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Steve Kenney 2 years ago

He also beat his wife Yoko Ono

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Based on personal experience with Oprah Winfrey at Barnes Municipal Airport on New Years Eve in 1991, I would say it would have to be her. Cosby's private jet brought her and Steadman into the airport under cover of darkness to go to the Cosby estate up North. I watched from the tower and she shoved a lone child out of the way and slammed the door to the limo. All the child wanted was an autograph. Oprah's kindness and compassion was an act. If she didn't get something out of it, she was quite capable of stepping on feelings of a lone child when the cameras were not on her

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You cant stop the truth 2 years ago

most celebs are actors, right?

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Elvis Presley. He groomed a then 14 year old and slept with her while he toured.

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

This. He was a straight-up pedo.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers King Edward the VIII was a nazi sympathizer who possibly colluded with the Germans to retake the throne in the event of an invasion and conquest of Britain.

He wasn’t just a love sick romantic who gave up his kingdom for a woman.

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Joy 2 years ago

The royal family have more secrets than the Vatican and are just as determined to hold onto the devotion, worship and wealth.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Steve Jobs. The way he treated his family is horrible.

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Kookamunga 2 years ago

The silence for this one is deafening.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Alfred Hitchcock, the guy probably was one of the best filmmakers ever, yes. but it's worth mentioning how much he abused his actors, including sexually harassing Tippi Hedren

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Joy 2 years ago

Indeed. He was a miserable sonofabitch who used his skill to belittle, mock and humiliate actresses.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Not quite beloved, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..

He decided that Rosemary (his daughter) who was 23 at the time should have a lobotomy; he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed. And then they sent her away to an institute.

In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly.

Sick f**k, who would do this to their own child.

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

"Who would do this to their own child". In that era? Quite a few people, unfortunately. The lobotomy at that time was peddled as a "cure" ----- they truly didn't know better.

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Rachael Sampson 2 years ago

It wasn't just that, it was the fact that her mother told him not to do it but he ignored his wife's wishes and did it behind her back.

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Dynein 2 years ago (edited)

Nope, from what I've read the main praise about lobotomy was that it made life easier for those who dealt with the "insane" people, not for the insane themselves. But it made them quiet and docile so they could be easily handled, like sheep, so who cares if they don't have a personality anymore at all and can spend all day sitting quietly staring at a wall, right?

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Paul Davis 2 years ago

if you ask me, everybody know what was up - but looked at each other and no one was stopping it or complaining about how barbaric it was. And the fact there were no real treatments available, and made the affected people easier to deal with, seemed to seal the deal.

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arietism 2 years ago

They knew better. Even in that time it was thought to be outrageous. And keeping secrets is an obvious indication of guilt. These lobotomies we're usually done with a significant amount of secrecy.

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Eulalie Grace 2 years ago

They knew.

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Donna Troy 2 years ago

He was guilty of so much more. Criminal family.

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John Bonnewitz-Coffey 2 years ago

I can’t accept that they didn’t know better. They could see perfectly well what the effects of a lobby are, they the family and health care professionals might have justified their behaviors as something they were entitled to do but that doesn’t change the foreseeable effects of a lobotomy or their malicious intent. People often abuse their relationships to harm and control others in their lives. That’s what Joe Kennedy did and yes he knew he was doing it.

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Sam J 2 years ago

Yep. We have to use historical perspective here.

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Janet Graham 7 months ago

hey knew it was not a cure as no one ever got better! It was just a way to keep these folks quiet, subdued, and institutionalized.

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Immortal Emperor Paradox 2 years ago

That also implies that some of the things we do today might be perceived as complete fOOKups by our descendents in the far future.

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Graham Fedrick 2 years ago

Sadly many children had this 'cure' for being unruly. Outlawed when some of the patients died.

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Dorothy Nedderneyer 2 years ago

Many families whose member is the family scapegoat, facilitate their family member being lobotomized. It is still being done with a fancy name. Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) - Mayo Clinichttps://www.mayoclinic.org › about › pac-20393894 Oct 12, 2018 — Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is a procedure, done under general anesthesia, in which small electric currents are passed through the brain ...

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Joonscrab 2 years ago

No, by this time every one knew or at least had an idea about what was happening to people who had it done. If he did without their consent, he is still a sick f**k. It ruined her life SO Much. I think she passed away recently, in her old age. She never bloomed again. There are documentaries of her on YouTube

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Bernadette Shekleton 7 months ago

Not unlike transitioning as a cure for gender dysphoria.

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Cory Sagewolf 7 months ago

You can't argue with results. Stopped her violent moods didn't it lol?

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Firkin Dirkin 2 years ago

As a retired psychiatric practitioner i must say that they did know.. not peddled as a cure but as a control of behaviour and it is still done today... also, he was a bootlegger and criminal who worked alongside infamous mafia top dogs. The more you learn about him the worse it gets...

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

*Some knew*. Moreover, it was in fact sold as if it would cure things, b/c some practitioners claimed 85% success rate, which was utter bollocks, but then as now everyday people didn't have the access to the facts.

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Colin Ball 2 years ago (edited)

He wasn’t even trying to help her, he had her lobotomized so that she wouldn’t embarrass the family. She was diagnosed with depression not a brain disorder. She was awake during the lobotomy just mildly sedated so that they could ask her questions and decide when to stop scrambling her brain. Then after he realized it didn’t work had her locked away and never saw her again, her mom only visited her once and they didn’t tell their other children anything so they didn’t even know what had happened or where she was. It wasn’t until Joe had a stroke in 1961 that the family found out and most of them didn’t visit either.

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Alexandra Konigsburg 2 years ago

It is still common practice to keep patients awake during many brain surgeries to prevent injuries.

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Kookamunga 2 years ago

Joe Kennedy was a bootlegging pig. And the JFK presidency was revered as the "age of Camelot", but Jack was quite the pig himself. Like Dad, he slept with lots of other woman during his marriage and was pretty blatant about it.

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Memere 2 years ago

I remember reading something about Jacqueline backing out of her engagement to JFK, & Daddy Joe paid a huge sum of money to her so she would marry JFK. Her mother, sister, & she were almost bankrupt & about to lose their home. She married JFK to save her family.

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Kisses4Katie 2 years ago

I hear his wife never forgave him

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Kay blue 2 years ago

I remember reading somewhere that his wife repeatedly told him not to allow the lobotomy.

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Pamela Blue 2 years ago

Yes, Rose forbade it. That's why he did it while she was away.

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Damon 2 years ago

All the Kennedys are awful

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Cynthia Carter 2 years ago

He also was a philanderer and encouraged his own sons to be too.

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Weim Central 2 years ago

But the reason for the lobotomy was fear of HER promiscuity!

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🧶𝔹𝕚𝕥𝕔𝕙 𝕂𝕟𝕚𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕣🪡 2 years ago

What's even sadder is how Rosemary got that way to begin with. IIRC from my readings, his wife was in active labor but the doctor was late to arrive for whatever reason. The nurses literally forced her legs shut to prevent Rosemary from being born, delaying the birth and cutting her off from oxygen 🤦🏻‍♀️ She would have been born perfectly healthy had they just allowed the birth to proceed (*her mother had already given birth before, FFS!) By all accounts, Rosemary was also still a very attractive young woman whose sexual desires were awakening and who saw no problem acting on them. It was easier to damage her brain even more than allow a young woman autonomy over her body, lest it embarrass the family. That poor girl was failed at every point in her life 😔

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John Dilligaf 2 years ago

this isn't the only awful thing Joe Kennedy did. The man was an absolute waste of human flesh

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Bedlamite 2 years ago

Female, therefore disposable. The POS. Those boys though, they were.. something.

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Susan McClure 2 years ago

Ultimately though the boys were disposed of too, but by different means.

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SCP-3998 2 years ago

Her whole life was ruined because she didnt fit into the Kennedy mold. Watched a documentary about it and oof...bad. But sadly, as bad as it was, it was also the norm still back then. Didnt make it ok, but f**k was it rampant. Anyone who had a woman they didnt want, or was causing them issues, easy to have her committed and lobotomized. Thankfully, that doesnt happen anymore

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Kim Lorton 2 years ago

He, above all, wanted political clout in America, through one of his sons. He groomed them meticulously for this. They could do not wrong, and all of his “boys” cheated on their wives, and the wives were not revered. Even Jackie Kennedy wasn’t treated with the respect she deserved. Joseph was not. Nice guy, or nice anything. U fortunately, when Rosemary was young and he did this to her, she would’ve still been considered his property as his daughter and he could do exactly what he wanted to her, to preserve the family from embarrassment caused by her behavior. So he disabled her, and then hid her. This is why one never heard much more about her after that.

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Glen MacLeod 2 years ago

He considered her embarrassing and had a big public life planned for his sons. S.OB. built much of the family fortune feom bootlegging.

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Erin Eubanks 2 years ago

He also told his boys to have as much sex with as many women as they possibly could.

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iseefractalz 2 years ago

Yeah....this was normal for the time. Lobotomies were the cure all medical procedure at the time, much like mercury was thought to be a cure to syphilis (injected with a girthy needle directly into the urethra) and heroin was used for teething babies. and colds. and depression. Lead was in EVERYTHING until very recently, Arsenic was a main ingredient in GREEN HOUSEPAINT. Asbestos was used as fake snow. Everyone need to stop digging through the history books and looking at the actions of others as judged by what is socially and morally acceptable by the standards of 2022. There are plenty of relevant examples of his behavior that were bad even for the time he lived in, this is just a sad glimpse back at the dumbfounding ignorance of the time. No one should ever pretend that people 20/50/100 years in the future aren't going to be making the exact same dumb, dismissive denouncements about everything that YOU do right not.

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Imogene Cargeaux 2 years ago

Y'all should watch Bailey Sarians dark history video about lobotomies on YouTube. She goes into this story a bit and it's absolutely heartbreaking. That family sure did a great job of erasing this story from the public.

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Pamela Blue 2 years ago

Rosemary lacked oxygen at birth and was "damaged." Mother Rose forbade Joe to have the lobotomy done. But when she was away for a couple of weeks, he had it done. All he seemed to care about was the family's political reputation. Rosemary's brothers and sisters went often to visit her in the institution, and Rose never forgave Joe for what he did.

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Eulalie Grace 2 years ago

He was a womanizer, anti-Semite, likely Nazi sympathizer, and most certainly a criminal.

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Lisa Levy 2 years ago

There are so many other reasons this man was detestable.

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Cydney Golden 2 years ago

He was power mad and drove his children (sons) into politics for his own vanity.

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El Dee 2 years ago

I don't know how much he would have known in advance that the procedure was useless and that it was cruel. They were still being done regularly at this point. The ones who were the most cruel were the ones (doctors) recommending the procedure..

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laura lee 2 years ago

Joe? Wasnt he in with the mob?

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Paul Z. 2 years ago

Erm... it was 1941

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Melissa Homan 2 years ago

Have to pile on for this one. The lobotomy was promised as a cure-all by doctors at the time. No one really knew what was being done - that you were essentially turning the person into a barely functioning vegetable. He did it because he did not know what would happen and he expressed great regret about it later.

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Sharon Ingram 7 months ago

Now we just cut off their anatomy because they’re the “wrong” gender.

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Janet Graham 7 months ago

He was afraid she would become pregnant. She had a lovely singing voice. The'doctors' had her sing while they detached her frontal lobe. The worked until she stopped singing and decided they were done. Sickos, every one of them!

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JP Purves 7 months ago

The entire Kennedy family, and not just the men, were terrible people. It's a miracle JFK and RFK actually did some good things for the country.

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Irene Bucior 7 months ago

He was a major antisemite who convinced Roosevelt to refuse the docking of a ship into NY harbor. It was filled with Jews escaping England before the Blitz. He said they would take jobs away from the Irish. Many of them died on the ship with illnesses, dehydration and starvation.

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Judy Macauley 7 months ago

My uncle had a lobotomy after he shoved his sister down a flight of stairs. He had had other violent outbursts before that. He was able to hold down a job afterward, but he was sort of "not there."

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Shawn Barry 7 months ago

Rosemary was a wild child. sneaking out at night to drink and 'meet' men. JPK sr was afraid her behaviour would tarnish the family image if the world found out so he had her lobotomized. this was the real reason he did that.

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Jaybird3939 2 years ago

They didn't want her ruining the "Kennedy Dynasty"

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Suz-Anne SEUSS 2 years ago

Because she loved parties and might embarrass him

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Robin Turner 2 years ago

How he treated his wife was trash. Serial cheater. Unrepentant and in her face. No wonder JFK was a hoe. He watched his daddy be a hoe.

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Tyler Schommer 2 years ago

She was literally doing alright in England as a teacher/helper/nun/whatever at a school/home and they still did this to her. AND THEN they covered it up because the Kennedys had to be perfect

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Evelyn Haskins 2 years ago

Lobotomies in those days were considered the correct treatment, Blame the Medical Profession , if anyone is to blame

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GramDB 2 years ago

We were all ignorant in those days and would try any cure to solve medical problems. Cocaine was used widely and openly in OTC cough medicines. We must understand when these were common & why they were OK to use.

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Cathy Comfort 2 years ago

Joe Kennedy also encouraged all his sons to treat women as commodities, disposable ones - and they did.

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Cathy Comfort 2 years ago

He also encouraged his sons to treat women like s**t - and they did.

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Merilyn Horton 2 years ago

Ghastly man

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backatya 2 years ago

shoot him

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Linda Robinett 2 years ago

Never was a hero. Nazi sympathizer and boot legger

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She She 2 years ago

That's a drop in the bucket! He has done soooo many shitty acts!

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lara 2 years ago

He also supported Hitler in the early years.

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Mary Finn 2 years ago

Horrible yes, but he was ill advised by the medical profession! BTW, I think it was to "cure" her "promiscuity"

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Keley Babs 2 years ago

Yeah, you gotta take it in context with mental health standards at that given era.

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Nazda Pokmov 2 years ago

Families in those days that were rich could do just about anything they wanted to do to their kids via hefty payments to doctors.

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Anne Mitchell 2 years ago

Looking at his actions with vision of almost a century of knowledge later.

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Nandina 2 years ago

Among the many stories of the Irish American family featured in the book is that of the long-hidden Rosemary. In "The House of Kennedy," Patterson recounts the circumstances of Rosemary’s birth. “Rose goes into labor at home, as planned. But Dr. Good is detained. All physicians have been pressed into service to treat the sick and dying. … Rose was willing to wait, but the baby is not. She is already in the birth canal.” continues: “The nurse orders Rose to squeeze her legs tightly together to delay the birth, and, incredibly, goes so far as to push the baby’s partially exposed head back into the birth canal for two excruciating hours—depriving the baby’s fragile systems of oxygen—until Dr. Good arrives. When the doctor finally arrives, he delivers a baby girl and pronounces her healthy.”

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Marc Lauzon 2 years ago (edited)

Mental illness was still considered taboo then. People would rather have them lobotomized than deal with the social repercutions, their social standing was more important than anything else. While that sound stupid, social standing was very impactful in every aspect of their life. Gossips were ruining lives more than social media do today.

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Brenda 2 years ago

Quite common in that era

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Mya Lugar 2 years ago

That was a father grasping at straws to help his daughter at a time when science /medicine was also grasping at straws. When you are desperate, you consider radical solutions.

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KAREN 2 years ago

They still use that procedure today and what about the doctor who performed the operation? How can he be blamed if he didn't do the procedure?

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Soleil SanMao 2 years ago

I think this comment missed the mark as he was also a Nazi sympathizer which ruined his chances as a presidential candidate. He actually gave her the best medicine at that time. And to be honest, that is why medicine and care is what it is today based on bad medical practices of the past.

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Katie Lutesinger 2 years ago (edited)

I'm positive it's not a coincidence that in BoJack Horseman his horrible misogynistic grandfather who had his own wife lobotomised to stop her being too "emotional" was named Joseph. The only good thing to come out of poor Rosemary's lobotomy was that it prompted her siblings to start working on behalf of the disabled and mentally handicapped.

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Carolyn Stokes 2 years ago

Another fan of Hitler

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Uber Mensch 2 years ago

Somebody that was thinking ahead to a political empire/legacy.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers 8000 comments so it might be here Apparently John Wayne needed to be restrained from assaulting a native American actress in the 70s at the academy awards or something. I think her name was Sacheen Little feather. And Clint Eastwood allegedly was mocking her too.

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Eric G 2 years ago (edited)

John Wayne was definitely racist. Remember the playboy article where he said “I believe in white supremacy,” he said, and spoke harshly about African Americans, saying, “We can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks.” “I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,” he said. This is just the tip of the iceberg. And Clint Eastwood talks to invisible people in chairs.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Einstein wasn’t a great guy. Brilliant, sure, but kinda douchy in his personal life.

He refused to marry his long time lover for years, even after she got pregnant. The child was assumed to be given up for adoption, but no record has ever been found.

He and his wife, Mileva Marić, worked together on their research. People saw them do it. They made jokes about it at parties. He proudly told people that she did all his calculations. They only put his name on their work and he went on to claim all the credit - ignoring any work she had done. Part of their agreement was that she would get the Nobel prize money but he tried to prevent that.

She raised two children - one schizophrenic - took care of the house and tutored to bring in extra money because he couldn’t get a job for a long time. He started getting more notoriety and then began an affair with his first cousin.

He moved to a different country to be with his new hillbilly mistress. He divorced his wife and quickly married the new, younger model. He had rules she had to abide by, such as leaving the room immediately when told and not expecting or asking for any sort of affection except when necessary for appearances sake.

Elsa, his second wife, was dying and he worked nonstop because he didn’t know what to do (I guess). She was basically abandoned her last few months.

He cheated on both his wives, numerous times. Ignored his children. Oh - and he was pretty into his second wife’s daughter and thought about marrying her instead.

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Bee she/her 2 years ago

About the missing child, there is a series called The Missing By Marget Peterson Haddix, book fives discusses it

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Charles Dickens had his wife, the mother of his children, committed to an insane asylum so he could run off with a teenage actress.

Edit- I have been informed that this wasn't successful, he tried to have the mother of his ten children committed but it didn't work. Which is still quite bad

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Tigerpacingthecage 2 years ago

People (men, or ok "not all men") still try to label women as crazy or mentally unfit to get what they want.

215points

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Joseph Smith-

I grew up LDS and left with my family when I was in junior high. After some reading and learning from historical documents without church bias, I realized how drastically different he was when he wasn’t viewed in the eyes of the church.

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Tonya Wallace 2 years ago

Joseph Smith...Big pimpin' (I saw that on a t-shirt that I regret not buying. 😭)

99points

#22

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Churchill. He started the Bengal Famine which killed 3 million people. He also was incredibly racist and liked killing through gas.

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Lucifer 2 years ago

Winston Churchill, a hero according to the UK & US. Churchill carried out a genocide in India (4+ million killed through deliberate famine). And Churchill believed that eugenics could solve race deterioration and reduce crime and poverty. US & UK were very much on the side of Hitler, until they realized that he posed a threat to their power on the global stage. That seems to be missing in the narrative of why WW2 started.

87points

#23

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Andrew Jackson.

He’s always presented as the “common man’s president” but he treated the Native American’s terribly . He also had a huge rowdy party and trashed the White House

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

He's Trump's fave POTUS. Nuff said.

180points

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#24

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Travis Scott, still ain’t over what insane s**t he did

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Priscilla Reshell 2 years ago

That concert was hell

85points

#25

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Oliver Cromwell

Tried to make England a republic, ended up being a king in all but name. Butchered the Irish, banned Christmas and is partially responsible for the puritans (who fled to America after the monarchy was restarted)

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

Oliver Cromwell is/was "beloved"?!

119points

#26

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Charlie Chaplin definitely. Dude groped/assaulted girls and married a woman 40 years younger than him

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Nicole Weymann 2 years ago

First wife had (falsely) announced a pregnancy at 16, then they married, later divorced. Second wife announced pregnancy at 15, he married her, otherwise might have been prosecuted because she was a minor when she got pregnant. Also divorced. Marriage no. 3 was relatively unspectacular age wise (she was 21). Within and in between marriages multiple affairs. His last wife, Oona, was 18 when they married (he was 54). They stayed together until his death, had eight children. (All according to Wikipedia - not good, but I found no 40 year age gap).

144points

#27

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Benito Juárez

He was the type of president who kills his opposition instead of negotiating. He did a lot of illegal executions.

He was going to be executed in Guadalajara, however one of his ministers convinced the soldiers not to kill him with a famous phrase "alto, los valientes no asesinan", the soldiers forgave his life and risked theirs as the disobey an order. Well, as soon as Juarez returned to Mexico city, he immediately ordered to kill all of those soldiers with no mercy (source: my sister worked with the Sargent's descendant)

After Juárez's government, there's a period Known as the porfiriato, where Porfirio Díaz was Mexico's president for 30 years. It was possible just because there was no opposition alive

Juarez suddenly died in 1872 from a heart attack. It's believed that a woman, to avenge his husband, worked on his home as a maid, and when she had the opportunity, she put an infusion of "veintiunilla'" a herb known by the natives for being poisonous and cause a heart attack 21 days (veintiún dias) after it was drank

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Lorraine 2 years ago

This. Not to mention he reformed the Mexican state by removing the church influence (which was not wrong) only to enrich himself and his family with all the resources confiscated. Also, he was indigenous but ashamed of it so he was extremely racist. If he hadn't died, he was ready to change the law to stay in power indefinitely.

61points

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#28

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Andy Warhol was a fraud and an abuser.

The book Edie is a great read, but sad.

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178points

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Luther von Wolfen 2 years ago

Warhol wasn't great as a person, but I've done a little research into him. He was a complex person who suffered in some ways. He did horrible things, but he also served at his church's homeless shelter well into his later years. Derinitely suffered from trauma and possibly depression.

83points

#29

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Dr Suess cheated on his partially disabled wife and she eventually committed suicide because of how distraught she was.

“I am too old and enmeshed in everything you do and are, that I cannot conceive of life without you,”

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Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

Also a racist.

54points

#30

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Kinda coming much more into light now but The Founding Fathers, all of them owned slaves and by modern day standards they would be horrible people. But something I think lots of people don’t remember is even if these things are utterly reprehensible, everyone was doing it and they were all children of their time.

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168points

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

What history books didn't mention that fact? I learned that in the 1970s! And we had debates in Ethics class about this stuff....

113points

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers William Hurt. I remember seeing tons of praise for him when he passed recently.

Thing is, he beat and raped Marlee Matlin back in the 80s. She discussed it in her memoir. When he was approached about it, his response wasn't to deny it, but to apologize for any pain he "may have caused" to her.

If you want to praise his acting, fine. But remember what sort of person he was behind the characters you loved on film.

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56points

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dream of delusion 2 years ago

why are there people who are low-key defending an abuser and r@pist…

18points

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#32

John Lennon.

I'll have to find some links to stuff but what I heard was he screamed his son's eardrums out and was generally apathetic about his familial duties and flew off the handle in violent fits often.

BRB gotta Google.

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34points

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Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

Yeah. Paul wrote Hey Jude about Lennon's son, Julian, because his father was a d**k to him. But, hey! All you need is love.

25points

#33

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Gandhi , dude was a pervert. Mostly to kids

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Mouse 2 years ago

That look on his face creeps me out

17points

#34

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Margaret Sanger was pro-eugenics and a racist.

In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”

She is seen as a saint to many.

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Mrs. Jan Glass 2 years ago

This is one of the biggest "it's complicated" issues to examine in terms of structural oppression. We can't separate what the Nazis did with eugenics. Two generations earlier, however, having a severely disabled child or children was rarely viable, especially for poor families. There were no resources, no funds, and very little education. There were no Special Olympics, no "mainstreaming," nothing. If you are a poor immigrant mother with four children already, living in a tenement in NYC during an economic panic, and you have a child with severe disabilities, what other options were there? Put them in expensive institutions rampant with sexual and physical abuse? Sell the kid to PT Barnum? Abandon it? The science at the time was all they had. This is ultimately about women having little power and few options, not a hatred of disabled people/minorities. Now that we know better, we do better.

17points

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#35

PT Barnum. I mean, the movie was entertaining and great to watch, but it was definitely the life of PT Barnum the way he might have told the story. The man had a slave woman as part of his freak show. He scammed people and was just generally a nasty human being.

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#36

Helen Keller did some fantastic things in her personal life and for society, so that's great. She was also a staunch supporter of eugenics, which is uterly horrible. And while on the topic, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telophone and fought for the inclusion of deaf people... by trying to outlaw sign language and forbidding deaf people from marrying to prevent the birth of more deaf people, whom he saw as "the defective race"

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Mrs. Jan Glass 2 years ago

As a woman who grew up severely disabled, and only had the opportunities she did because her parents were wealthy, Keller used her platform for her entire, hardworking life to spread awareness. She spoke about birth control for prostitutes, since babies born of syphilitic mothers was one of the leading causes of blindness, in a time when an angelic disabled lady wasn't supposed to know about prostitutes and sex, much less talk about them in Boston parlors. She performed on vaudeville stages to earn money to pay for other deafblind children's educations. "Tireless" doesn't even begin to describe her work. We have GOT to stop using "they supported eugenics" as an easy way to cancel out everything else, because that was the scientific understanding at the time, and it was related to economic and social accessibility. It's not all Nazis then. It is expensive to be disabled. If you were a "fallen woman" in the early 1900s with a blind baby, you didn't have many options or support.

15points

#37

if Penn and Teller ever taught me anything it’s the answer to this question, and that answer is Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and The Dalai Lama

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Is Be 2 years ago

The Dalai Lama has never advocated for the return of serfdom to Tibet.

13points

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Dr. Carlos Dangercat 2 years ago

I really dislike the impulse to classify people as 100% good or 100% bad. Humans are flawed. Just because some of their actions were contemptible (by todays standards) doesn't mean their accomplishments should be erased from history. Just because they accomplished great things doesn't mean that their misdeeds should be brushed under the carpet.

151points

John Crandall 2 years ago

Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.

42points

Tami 2 years ago

Agreed. We can be grateful for their best and try to learn from their worst.

4points

ᶜʰᵃᵒᵗⁱᶜ ˡᵉᵍᵃˡ 2 years ago

yes! I was gonna say this if someone else didn't. Thank you!

2points

Mary Jeffries 2 years ago

It’s also important to remember their cultural context. If you’re going to be great and remembered, you have to be somewhat ruthless.

2points

Katelyn Ver Helst 2 years ago

well except for Hitler or Stalin.

1point

Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

Some of these actions are contemptible by any standards. Mother t acted with impunity bc "the church and god" had her back.

0points

Brian Lockett 7 months ago

Don't rape anyone, murder anyone, persecute anyone, assault anyone, ruin anyone, groom anyone, or buy anyone as chattel, and you get to be flawed without harsh judgment. But these listed "flaws" are beyond the pale of just being "flawed." Also, if you're referring to the likes of the Founding Fathers, their "accomplishments" for purely for themselves, and their sins were wrong by ANY era's standards.

0points

Katinka Min 2 years ago

The problem is, that the accomplishments of God knows how many peole have been brushed under the carpet because of men like these. And the problem iss, that we humans still have this urge to hero worship. We need to rewrite history, dig up the forgotten und try to change ourselves if we are indeed striving for a better future. Because if we don't there will be countless geniuses who will never get the chance to accomplish somethign great because they are POC or female or handicapped.

0points

Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Jfc YES

0points

Max Blancke 2 years ago

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TheDivineMsM 2 years ago

Donald Trump- He's not the man you delusional people think he is

37points

NAVYA PRASAD 2 years ago

Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke

67points

Scott Burd 2 years ago

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Jamie Greco 2 years ago

But that can be proven. He’s said awful things in videos before and after he was President. His followers explain what he meant when he said something stupid or hateful. Throughout his presidency he told the fold that he was working on whatever issue and he’d reveal it in two weeks. Never happened. He didn’t really grasp the job he held or that he worked for the entire country..

8points

Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Biden ain't much better

5points

Katinka Min 2 years ago

I am pretty sure the the vast majoprity of the world has a good idea who Trump really is. History will never glorify him.

2points

Gavin Johnson 2 years ago

And what about those of us who get to look in with a dispassionate eye? Those of us who get access to media that hasn’t got an axe to grind and that isn’t paid for by media moguls who have skin in the game? I reckon he’s pretty close to the man I think he is.

1point

Sam J 2 years ago (edited)

Well, even so, we really don't know the long term effects of his presidency, so I'm unwilling to say he's one of our worst presidents. Give it 50 years or so and then let's take a look at what he had an effect on. Edit to clarify that I'm not a Trump supporter and I have to say he's the worst in MY lifetime, but since I'm 16 that doesn't mean a lot.

1point

Lindy Mac 2 years ago

TheDevineMsM: HA! ... look at a lot the people on this list... it might take YEARS to find out the true extent how TRULY DISGUSTING AND AWFUL TRUMP WAS. I mean we lived with the guy for 4 years and only with the J6 hearing are we finding more garbage this man did. So in 30 years, 50 years it's gonna blow the roof off.

-1point

Viv Hart 2 years ago

He's worse!

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

Elon Musk should be top of this list. Donald Trump, too. And for all that "Foundation" stuff, I've heard Bill Gates is a real..... But they're all idolized by many. To the devotees of Elon, please bear in mind we're not all Elonites, and can state our opinions without it rending the fabric of time-space to shreds :-)

35points

Kristin Ingersoll 2 years ago

But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.

22points

Kookamunga 2 years ago

Trump is a given, he's pond scum. But you know who's missing? Walt Disney. He was anti-Semitic and sexist as well. LOTS of people don't want to hear that.

7points

Zero 2 years ago

Elon's not the messiah his fans make him to be and not deserving of the devotion he receives, but is actually a bad person or have done horrible things?

4points

Brivid 2 years ago

We really should avoid idolizing anybody, or anything for that matter. Not because of any religion, but because it will always lead to disappointment.

3points

Immortal Emperor Paradox 2 years ago

Elon Musk is no genius. Check out the YT channel "Adam Something" and "Common Sense Sceptic".

1point

Jo Firth 2 years ago

Can we add Bill Clinton to that list?

1point

daniel280456 2 years ago

You people really are NPCs.

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Brobro McDuderson 2 years ago

The problem with some of these is that people often do both good and bad things with their lives. Same with each of us, many of us have done bad things. Different shades of grey. Without a doubt, most of the peeps in this list are darker shades of grey, don’t get me wrong! But if we discredit anything someone does because of something bad they’ve done, well, there’d be no good person list. Lennon for example…surely a d*^k, but we also can’t discredit the impact he’s had on music. I feel it’s ok to recognize both the good and bad a person’s done, and to not ignore either.

23points

Just saying 2 years ago

People are people. Don't idolise anyone.

13points

Zero 2 years ago

It's gone now, but that John Wayne one was a crazy night. It was the Oscars and Marlon Brando was awarded something. But he sent Sacheen Littlefeather in his stead to decline and instead read a speech about the desecration and ethnocide of Native American culture and history. Wayne was certainly a piece of work in is own right, and went to pull her off stage but was restrained by a bunch of people so never actually laid a hand on her. It was quite the scandal and nothing since has really compared to the impact of that night.

10points

Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

What about Will Smith ?

2points

Daria Z 2 years ago

There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?

9points

Quasar 2 years ago

when it's against horrible people then yeah

1point

Jerry The Joker 2 years ago

Don't forget Bing Crosby, who was a horrible child abuser.

8points

Powerful Katrinka 2 years ago

Yes! What a horrible, sadistic man.

1point

Voodoops_13 2 years ago

Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.

8points

Zero 2 years ago

And general predatory behavior.

6points

Sandra Charlot 2 years ago

Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.

7points

Firefly 2 years ago

Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/

3points

Holly Ahearn 2 years ago

Surprised Walt Disney wasn't on the list.

6points

T JNC 2 years ago

Surprised at how far I had to scroll to see his name come up! A horrible racist who even ensured that his racist movies could not be remade

1point

Soggy Crumpet 2 years ago

Comments about racism for most of these people seems a little thoughtless. Is racism bad? Of course. However, all of the people are products of their time period and judging them based on values of the currently evolved societal values is not logical or fair

5points

der sebbl 2 years ago

Exactly. If you're raised in a racist community, you will become racist too. It's hard to break this circle

3points

Larissa Herrboldt 2 years ago

Some of these I don't think should be on this list. Others definitely should though. I kind of think some people are getting false information for a couple of them. Just be sure to do your research people, before idolizing or hating. And remember that we are all humans that are victim to our time of living! Such as slavery and racism. It is absolutely not okay, but in their time, it was not widely understood.

5points

Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

Every-one have a right to their opinion,right or wrong,reserched or not...like Cnn and Fox-news...all I know is that a friend of mine,English.worked as a voluntary for Mother Theresa in Calcutta for two years in the end 60ties....never saw or talked of abuse...she did become a vegetarian,saying having seen so many open wounds put her off meat...can well believe it.. India is not known for their compassion with the plight of poor people and Mother theresa was the first to take in the lowest of the lowest to better their lives....If it went to her head later in life,who knows?? power corrupts...

5points

Shane S 2 years ago (edited)

I have mixed feelings about some individuals on this list. Humans are human. If you dig deep enough into any individual, you’ll find something dark. However, I have less respect for individuals that acted on those dark thoughts in a way that affected others negatively.

4points

Supernatural 2 years ago

Jimmy Page Bill Wyman Elvis..all peadophiles

4points

NsG 2 years ago

Haven't heard of a few of these, but for all the ones I have absolutely NONE of them come as a surprise.

4points

Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

The Wright Brothers, who did not invent the airplane.

3points

Nadine 2 years ago

There's many beloved rock stars who slept with very young girls and it never comes up now.

2points

Sawyer Kidder 2 years ago (edited)

well, it’s official! Human beings are the worst!

2points

HorseMuse 7 months ago

So much of what men in positions of control and dominance (I refuse to keep misusing the word - power) did is only now being fully questioned. So yes, all those from the past might have done good deeds in their professions, but personal lives were horrifically flawed due to emotional immaturity as we see today, the cause and root of all our woes. Humanity needs a wake up call to all the still engaged immaturity actions in order to correct the issues we are still dealing with from all the fallout of that emotional irresponsibility.

1point

Mike Denyer (Wildcap) 2 years ago

I would hazard a guess that, if you ALL looked back far enough in your own family trees, you'd be surprised at some of the evil shite that you'd find there. Are some of these people evil? Certainly, without a doubt... but the majority of these posts are of long dead people, and in every case, only one side of the story is told. There are THREE sides to every story... what "party A" said, what "party B" said, and what REALLY happened. Not ONE single, reliable source has been included in these posts to prove what the poster has stated. "Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones". I do not condone the actions of anyone mentioned in these posts, and I despise evil in all its forms, but I can pretty much guarantee that there isn't a single person posting in this article, whose family tree does not have some evil roots somewhere down the line. NONE of us are perfect.

1point

JacPot 2 years ago

Was thinking Nelson Mandela would make this list as well.

1point

Richard Kimmell 2 years ago

Very easy to form an opinion on one source, and very foolish.

1point

Msc Wa'erstone 2 years ago

All people are flawed and make mistakes, because they are people, hopefully so we or others can learn from them. They behaviour was related to the time they lived in; to write a character assassination of people who have done great things that have benefited the world is just distasteful, woke, cancel culture snowflake b******t, even though they may have done horrible things, haven’t we all. Im not sure anyone of us should judge.

1point

Adriana Loborec 2 years ago

Nature is cruel and makes many people have troublesome urges. Yet there are still plenty of people who think whatever is natural is good. No surprise people used to be cruel through most of the history, especially as the urges of those in power were normalized.

1point

Lp Johnson 2 years ago

I don't understand how Rhodes, of "The Rhodes Scholar" fame, didn't make the list.

1point

MagNat 2 years ago

Pope John Paul II, but risky to say this in Poland.

1point

Kristina Funkycrew 2 years ago

Men 😒

1point

Willa L 2 years ago

Facts lol

1point

Daniele Tigli 2 years ago (edited)

Where's Margaret Hilda, Baroness Thatcher?

1point

Kristie French 2 years ago

Michelangelo! He was run out of multiple towns, he was repeatedly suspected of pedo crimes against his young models. The Catholic Church in part helped him stay ahead of the claims, and paid him to continue the abuse under the guise of “art.”

1point

-mafīafrog- 2 years ago

Walt Disney and Joe Biden are missing

1point

MJLstrd 2 years ago

Too often “genius” comes with an enormous slice of poor character. This just substantiates it.

1point

Rob Eman 2 years ago

Lol. Weird use of the word "genius" when I look at list above. Scientifically I can only see 1 on the list (though the list partially debunks that claim...)

0points

Daniel Ikelman 2 years ago

Add Walt Disney to this list...Nazi

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Cobalt.spike 2 years ago (edited)

Anybody who likes this kind of stuff should check out the podcast "Evil Genius" by Russell Kane, which essentially puts a comedy spin on this. Though hosted and panelled by comedians, it is genuinely thought provoking and there's several people featured on the show with whom my perception has been significantly altered.

1point

Manu 2 years ago

I abandoned reading CRACKED when it sadly became a trash dump. Now I'm on the brink of abandoning bored panda. It is getting full of posts of hate and negativity. So sad

1point

Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

What about Walt Disney?

0points

Jude Laskowski 7 months ago

Funny how no bl*ck people are labeled racist, even though some are.

0points

Sanjay Jahagirdar 7 months ago

After all they were human beings. The way these persons were brought up and the prevailing social norms decided their personality & behaviour. Moreover common man always try to find lacuna among stalwarts. Karamchand Gandhi doesn’t deserve Mahatma title nor Mother Teressa a Noble prize or sainthood. ( Without any prejudice, they had immense good qualities, but their dark secrets never come in limelight)

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Michael Riehle 7 months ago

I agree with many of these, but a lot of them are "Heroes always have feet of clay" kinds of things. Show me any person who has done great work in the world and it's likely you will find other things they've done that are horrible. Maybe don't worship people no matter what good things they've done. A few of these were people who behaved exactly as was expected of them culturally at the time. That doesn't make it okay, but it does mean that we are not in a position to judge. I guarantee that 100 years from now some of our greatest figures will turn out to have had some pretty horrible skeletons in their closets.

0points

Teri Grace 1 year ago

There's some real propaganda believers in some of these incomplete bios.

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Lindy Mac 2 years ago

Why are people down voting Max Blancke's comment here? Don't you see the sarcasm lights flashing. He just forgot to put " /s " at the end so people wouldn't jump to conclusions. I hope I read it right, Max.

0points

blatherskitenoir 2 years ago

Where much is given, much is taken away. You really shouldn't ever meet people who achieve greatness; they're always deeply flawed and missing other areas.

0points

Mare of Maers 2 years ago

Stauffenberg. Everybody remembers the attempted assassination of Hitler. Nobody remembers the fact he was just as much of a nationalist antisemite.

0points

Mary Finn 2 years ago

"There is so much bad in the best of us and so much good in the worst of us that it ill behoves any of us to talk badly about the rest of us." That was hanging as a framed sampler when I was a child . I've never forgotten it

0points

Bob D. Lin Quint 2 years ago

Why are these always so vague. Give us examples and info ffs

0points

Lorene Schafer 2 years ago

really disappointing to see bored panda promoting 'hate'. there is no such thing as a perfect human being. no one's life should be dismissed, nor should someone be hated, simply because they were, as all of us are, flawed human beings.

0points

Katinka Min 2 years ago

We just need to accept that men before a certain time, did not think of women as human beings. Many still don't. In the mind of these men, women, POCs, handicapped people are all inferior creatures - something akin to trained monkey - and treated as such.

0points

Briana Kessler 2 years ago

This is such black and white thinking. And not everyone is racist lol good grief guys

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daniel280456 2 years ago

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and any communist dictator.

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Erik Ivan 2 years ago

According to Samuel Vimes (Terry Pratchett character), people that get a statue was mostly horrible human beings.

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DC 2 years ago

I miss Martin Luther here. He, basically, wrote all the jew-related parts of "Mein Kampf" 500 ears before, Mr. Hitler just had to copy them. More than once, he did so word for word, and still, Luther is seen as that liberator of europe. He never was. Other Theologians of his time were disgusted about his antijudaism and how he'd like it executed.

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Pan 2 years ago

Those that scream the loudest for extreme measures, will be those that the future will show to have been doing horrible things. The only difference is that while just until the recent past any spoken or written word disapeared into nothingness quite quickly and tge vast majority of the population of bad people was never punished for their actions and words. This will be different in the future. Both, extreme left and right sentiments will be punished in the future. And only people using their brain will make the cut in the long run. This, or society collapses.

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Pan 2 years ago

Ah, and all people are pretty or horrendously horrible by todays standard. Some by the standard the time they lived. But depending on how history plays out, it differs. One example: if a rightful heir to tge zarist throne would exist, and would help the West to overthrow Putin, but wanted to establish a different form of russia, we would celebrate, even if it came at a horrible price. If Putin wins and gradually establishes a new Worldorder, ppl would be brainwashed, and sing Songs about defending Putin. And hate the evil heir, and the West. If you believe that you were not brainwashed, you err. Everybody is. The crux is to use your brain, to inform yourself, and to think. But don't follow Conspiracies. Find your own path.

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Marilyn Molinari 2 years ago

How about Frank Lloyd Wright who left his wife with six children, defaulted on child support, and lived a luxurious life style? FLW treated his married mistress to a life of extended travels to Japan and Europe. She also had to worry, though, about how he never paid his bills and had to skirt these issues with him, as well as some trust issues. Women were very attracted to him because of his fame as an architect and high living. He moved her up to his home, Taliesen, in Spring Green, Wisconsin, leaving her alone to manage their workers while he commuted back and forth to Oak Park and Chicago, where he worked for the Century of Progress World’s Fair prior to its opening. This ultimately led to her gruesome death and those of her two children. He had sent her a Barbadosian couple as servants to help out.Unfortunately, they were not emotionally stable, and caused a grisly death scene of fire and machete. Frank grieved for a short time, then went on to several more mistresses and wives.

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JJ Buddhabrot 2 years ago

Hope you guys cancel them all.

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Tim Pierce 2 years ago

Eye opening article

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Om 2 years ago

I didn't know about many details, but in general, I don't tend to like historical figures, precisely because I really ignore what they really were like. As some people said, history is written by the winners, and though not everything is about wars, in general obviously most of what we know about these figures is basically hearsay. Heck, even people that is alive today or that you got to know in your lifetime, you don't really get to know them personally, but at least you have a closer idea than someone that has been dead for decades. Personally, other than Britney Spears I've never idolized anyone, and even I recognize her defects.

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Neal Patrick 2 years ago (edited)

All these posts neglect that people do bad things, atrocious things at times, because we all fail to be perfect. Yet even with the flaws in their character, many people still contribute to society thru their creativity and innovation, which does not negate their bad behavior, if true, but also does not negate what they contributed.

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Mry Cstl 2 years ago

If anybody would ever take the time to actually read the Bible instead of just bashing it it clearly tells us in the book of Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in nobles. Nor in the son of earthly man to whom no salvation belongs. Cant put it any clearer.

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K Wit 2 years ago

Not everyone believes in your Bible so your point doesn't stand. I've read the Bible I'm a recovering Catholic it furthered my justification in atheism.

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Idalia 2 years ago

Honestly..... Are we even surprised at this? Humans are awful creatures. Higher intelligence does not make for a better species. We all suck.

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Idalia 2 years ago

Except for Betty White, probably.

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Jenny Lorenz 2 years ago

sooooo humans being (bad) humans. Just cuz they are famous doesn't make any of them good.

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Mahesh Pathak 2 years ago

Xxxtentacion should be here too

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Janice Bontrager 2 years ago

So basically humans suck and nothing has changed since the beginning of time.

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Rob Eman 2 years ago

Well we now have about 1-5% of the worlds population that is no longer enslaved. Technically that's a big increase from a thousand years ago. Wonder if it's a linear adoption curve or....

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Jackie Lulu 2 years ago

What - no Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin?

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Is one of them widely beloved?

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J. F. 2 years ago

Well, they all were/are humans, and humans are nasty creatures - why would anybody expect that they never did such things?

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RoseTheMad 2 years ago

David Bowie ... he slept with and dated a 13-14 year old, who he cheated on with several men and women.

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K Wit 2 years ago

Steve Tyler of Aerosmith groomed a 14 yr old got her parents to sign rights over to him so he could adopt her then moved her into his home got her pregnant and forced her to have an abortion.

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Prestigous Cactus 2 years ago

Basically none of these are beloved. Most of them achieved some kind of widespread good, we celebrate that part, we don't really celebrate any of them as a person.

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MagNat 2 years ago

If being literally considered a saint is not celebrating someone as a person, then I don't know what is.

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karen snyder 2 years ago

Please add Margret Mead, Ayn Rand, Margret Thatcher, Joan Crawford, and Pope John Paul 2.

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Sam J 2 years ago

What did Margaret Mead do that was wrong, out of curiosity? I've studied her in a couple classes and we've not really been told anything bad about her.

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Snowstuff 2 years ago

Muhammad should probably be on top of this list. Look what he turned this world into.

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daniel280456 2 years ago

The Cuomo brothers, the Clintons, Biden the pedo.

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HardTruths 2 years ago

To all the people actively contributing to hate - I recommend the photo of a mirror as the number 1 post. Like so many of us are loveable saints... 🙄

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MagNat 2 years ago

I doubt that many of the commenters are widely beloved/idolised and, from the other side, sold children, enslaved people etc.

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IlovemydogShilo 2 years ago (edited)

Enid Blyton. the British children's Author famous for The Famous Five, The Secret Seven, Mallory Towers, Noddy, Mr. Galliano's Circus and The Faraway Tree etc. She was a prolific writer' but a horrible person. She had a series of affairs, including a lesbian relationship with one of the children's nannies. In 1941, Blyton met Kenneth Fraser Darrell Waters, a London surgeon with whom she began a serious affair. Pollock discovered the liaison, and threatened to initiate divorce proceedings. Due to fears that exposure of her adultery would ruin her public image, it was ultimately agreed that Blyton would instead file for divorce against her husband Major Hugh Alexander Pollock Blyton promised that if he admitted to infidelity, she would allow him parental access to their daughters; but after the divorce, he was denied contact with them, and Blyton made sure he was subsequently unable to find work in publishing. Pollock, having married Crowe on 26 October 1943, eventually resumed his heavy drinking and was forced to petition for bankruptcy in 1950.

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Christina Hodge 2 years ago

All this "reimagining" of historic figures and events reeks of its own racism. I'll no longer be following your page. The cism and slavery that occured in America, more than 200 years ago, does not justify anyone being racist now. The focus on American slavery highlights how little black Americans know about the history of slavery in general. Look up the tomb of Ramesses III, it was built thousands of years before American slavery existed and one of the first things you will notice on the left wall near the entrance is a scene of DISTINCTLY African slaves engraved into it. (You can explore the burial site yourself on the Matterport website, it's free and doesn't require registration) my point is so much blame is put on America's past that black American's aren't learning about other important times in history. Depriving them of the knowledge of their past, especially in their native homeland, is a negative for everyone. I hope you guys check out the tomb in Egypt, it is truly amazing.

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Gianna 2 years ago

And where are people getting these "facts" from?

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Tyranamar Seuss 2 years ago

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Tom Lippert 2 years ago

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Well, it's abote people who are generally beloved, so the number of communists is bound to be small

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John Crandall 2 years ago

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K Wit 2 years ago

This rant is nonsensical. Idk what you're trying to achieve. Most of these people should've been in prison. Yeah some are being outed as liar cheaters bad parents so what? We can all make up our minds about that as well. Why are you so against the truth? It's not judgment when it's a factual statement. I can forgive or understand when people make mistakes I've made mistakes I've hurt people I've also taken responsibility and I also know I can't force anyone to accept my apology and will forever be not liked by someone. However I can't forgive rapists or pedophiles I don't have it in me.

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Steve Sherwood 2 years ago

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ljbeanfield 2 years ago

Go to therapy

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Dr. Carlos Dangercat 2 years ago

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John Crandall 2 years ago

Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.

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Tami 2 years ago

Agreed. We can be grateful for their best and try to learn from their worst.

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ᶜʰᵃᵒᵗⁱᶜ ˡᵉᵍᵃˡ 2 years ago

yes! I was gonna say this if someone else didn't. Thank you!

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Mary Jeffries 2 years ago

It’s also important to remember their cultural context. If you’re going to be great and remembered, you have to be somewhat ruthless.

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Katelyn Ver Helst 2 years ago

well except for Hitler or Stalin.

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Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

Some of these actions are contemptible by any standards. Mother t acted with impunity bc "the church and god" had her back.

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Brian Lockett 7 months ago

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Katinka Min 2 years ago

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Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Jfc YES

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Max Blancke 2 years ago

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TheDivineMsM 2 years ago

Donald Trump- He's not the man you delusional people think he is

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NAVYA PRASAD 2 years ago

Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke

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Scott Burd 2 years ago

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Jamie Greco 2 years ago

8points

Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Biden ain't much better

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Katinka Min 2 years ago

I am pretty sure the the vast majoprity of the world has a good idea who Trump really is. History will never glorify him.

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Gavin Johnson 2 years ago

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Sam J 2 years ago (edited)

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Lindy Mac 2 years ago

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Viv Hart 2 years ago

He's worse!

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JJ Buddhabrot 2 years ago

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

35points

Kristin Ingersoll 2 years ago

But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.

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Kookamunga 2 years ago

Trump is a given, he's pond scum. But you know who's missing? Walt Disney. He was anti-Semitic and sexist as well. LOTS of people don't want to hear that.

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Zero 2 years ago

Elon's not the messiah his fans make him to be and not deserving of the devotion he receives, but is actually a bad person or have done horrible things?

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Brivid 2 years ago

We really should avoid idolizing anybody, or anything for that matter. Not because of any religion, but because it will always lead to disappointment.

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Immortal Emperor Paradox 2 years ago

Elon Musk is no genius. Check out the YT channel "Adam Something" and "Common Sense Sceptic".

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Jo Firth 2 years ago

Can we add Bill Clinton to that list?

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daniel280456 2 years ago

You people really are NPCs.

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Walking On Sunshine 2 years ago

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Brobro McDuderson 2 years ago

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Just saying 2 years ago

People are people. Don't idolise anyone.

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Zero 2 years ago

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Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

What about Will Smith ?

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Daria Z 2 years ago

There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?

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Quasar 2 years ago

when it's against horrible people then yeah

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Jerry The Joker 2 years ago

Don't forget Bing Crosby, who was a horrible child abuser.

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Powerful Katrinka 2 years ago

Yes! What a horrible, sadistic man.

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Voodoops_13 2 years ago

Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.

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Zero 2 years ago

And general predatory behavior.

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Sandra Charlot 2 years ago

Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.

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Firefly 2 years ago

Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/

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Holly Ahearn 2 years ago

Surprised Walt Disney wasn't on the list.

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T JNC 2 years ago

Surprised at how far I had to scroll to see his name come up! A horrible racist who even ensured that his racist movies could not be remade

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Soggy Crumpet 2 years ago

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Exactly. If you're raised in a racist community, you will become racist too. It's hard to break this circle

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Larissa Herrboldt 2 years ago

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Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

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Shane S 2 years ago (edited)

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Supernatural 2 years ago

Jimmy Page Bill Wyman Elvis..all peadophiles

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NsG 2 years ago

Haven't heard of a few of these, but for all the ones I have absolutely NONE of them come as a surprise.

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Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

The Wright Brothers, who did not invent the airplane.

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Nadine 2 years ago

There's many beloved rock stars who slept with very young girls and it never comes up now.

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Sawyer Kidder 2 years ago (edited)

well, it’s official! Human beings are the worst!

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HorseMuse 7 months ago

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Mike Denyer (Wildcap) 2 years ago

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JacPot 2 years ago

Was thinking Nelson Mandela would make this list as well.

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Richard Kimmell 2 years ago

Very easy to form an opinion on one source, and very foolish.

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Msc Wa'erstone 2 years ago

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Adriana Loborec 2 years ago

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Lp Johnson 2 years ago

I don't understand how Rhodes, of "The Rhodes Scholar" fame, didn't make the list.

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MagNat 2 years ago

Pope John Paul II, but risky to say this in Poland.

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Kristina Funkycrew 2 years ago

Men 😒

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Willa L 2 years ago

Facts lol

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Daniele Tigli 2 years ago (edited)

Where's Margaret Hilda, Baroness Thatcher?

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Kristie French 2 years ago

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-mafīafrog- 2 years ago

Walt Disney and Joe Biden are missing

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MJLstrd 2 years ago

Too often “genius” comes with an enormous slice of poor character. This just substantiates it.

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Rob Eman 2 years ago

Lol. Weird use of the word "genius" when I look at list above. Scientifically I can only see 1 on the list (though the list partially debunks that claim...)

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Daniel Ikelman 2 years ago

Add Walt Disney to this list...Nazi

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Cobalt.spike 2 years ago (edited)

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Manu 2 years ago

I abandoned reading CRACKED when it sadly became a trash dump. Now I'm on the brink of abandoning bored panda. It is getting full of posts of hate and negativity. So sad

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Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

What about Walt Disney?

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Jude Laskowski 7 months ago

Funny how no bl*ck people are labeled racist, even though some are.

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Sanjay Jahagirdar 7 months ago

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Michael Riehle 7 months ago

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Teri Grace 1 year ago

There's some real propaganda believers in some of these incomplete bios.

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Lindy Mac 2 years ago

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blatherskitenoir 2 years ago

Where much is given, much is taken away. You really shouldn't ever meet people who achieve greatness; they're always deeply flawed and missing other areas.

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Mare of Maers 2 years ago

Stauffenberg. Everybody remembers the attempted assassination of Hitler. Nobody remembers the fact he was just as much of a nationalist antisemite.

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Mary Finn 2 years ago

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Bob D. Lin Quint 2 years ago

Why are these always so vague. Give us examples and info ffs

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Lorene Schafer 2 years ago

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Katinka Min 2 years ago

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Briana Kessler 2 years ago

This is such black and white thinking. And not everyone is racist lol good grief guys

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daniel280456 2 years ago

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and any communist dictator.

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Erik Ivan 2 years ago

According to Samuel Vimes (Terry Pratchett character), people that get a statue was mostly horrible human beings.

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DC 2 years ago

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Pan 2 years ago

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Pan 2 years ago

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Marilyn Molinari 2 years ago

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JJ Buddhabrot 2 years ago

Hope you guys cancel them all.

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Tim Pierce 2 years ago

Eye opening article

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Om 2 years ago

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Neal Patrick 2 years ago (edited)

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Mry Cstl 2 years ago

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K Wit 2 years ago

Not everyone believes in your Bible so your point doesn't stand. I've read the Bible I'm a recovering Catholic it furthered my justification in atheism.

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Idalia 2 years ago

Honestly..... Are we even surprised at this? Humans are awful creatures. Higher intelligence does not make for a better species. We all suck.

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Idalia 2 years ago

Except for Betty White, probably.

2points

Jenny Lorenz 2 years ago

sooooo humans being (bad) humans. Just cuz they are famous doesn't make any of them good.

0points

Mahesh Pathak 2 years ago

Xxxtentacion should be here too

0points

Janice Bontrager 2 years ago

So basically humans suck and nothing has changed since the beginning of time.

0points

Rob Eman 2 years ago

Well we now have about 1-5% of the worlds population that is no longer enslaved. Technically that's a big increase from a thousand years ago. Wonder if it's a linear adoption curve or....

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Jackie Lulu 2 years ago

What - no Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin?

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Is one of them widely beloved?

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J. F. 2 years ago

Well, they all were/are humans, and humans are nasty creatures - why would anybody expect that they never did such things?

0points

RoseTheMad 2 years ago

David Bowie ... he slept with and dated a 13-14 year old, who he cheated on with several men and women.

0points

K Wit 2 years ago

Steve Tyler of Aerosmith groomed a 14 yr old got her parents to sign rights over to him so he could adopt her then moved her into his home got her pregnant and forced her to have an abortion.

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Prestigous Cactus 2 years ago

Basically none of these are beloved. Most of them achieved some kind of widespread good, we celebrate that part, we don't really celebrate any of them as a person.

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MagNat 2 years ago

If being literally considered a saint is not celebrating someone as a person, then I don't know what is.

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karen snyder 2 years ago

Please add Margret Mead, Ayn Rand, Margret Thatcher, Joan Crawford, and Pope John Paul 2.

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Sam J 2 years ago

What did Margaret Mead do that was wrong, out of curiosity? I've studied her in a couple classes and we've not really been told anything bad about her.

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Snowstuff 2 years ago

Muhammad should probably be on top of this list. Look what he turned this world into.

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daniel280456 2 years ago

The Cuomo brothers, the Clintons, Biden the pedo.

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Gakamat21 2 years ago

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HardTruths 2 years ago

To all the people actively contributing to hate - I recommend the photo of a mirror as the number 1 post. Like so many of us are loveable saints... 🙄

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MagNat 2 years ago

I doubt that many of the commenters are widely beloved/idolised and, from the other side, sold children, enslaved people etc.

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IlovemydogShilo 2 years ago (edited)

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Christina Hodge 2 years ago

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Gianna 2 years ago

And where are people getting these "facts" from?

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Tyranamar Seuss 2 years ago

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Tom Lippert 2 years ago

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Well, it's abote people who are generally beloved, so the number of communists is bound to be small

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John Crandall 2 years ago

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Steve Sherwood 2 years ago

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ljbeanfield 2 years ago

Go to therapy

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