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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Travis Scott, still ain’t over what insane s**t he did

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Priscilla Reshell 2 years ago

That concert was hell

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Oliver Cromwell

Tried to make England a republic, ended up being a king in all but name. Butchered the Irish, banned Christmas and is partially responsible for the puritans (who fled to America after the monarchy was restarted)

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

Oliver Cromwell is/was "beloved"?!

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Charlie Chaplin definitely. Dude groped/assaulted girls and married a woman 40 years younger than him

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Nicole Weymann 2 years ago

First wife had (falsely) announced a pregnancy at 16, then they married, later divorced. Second wife announced pregnancy at 15, he married her, otherwise might have been prosecuted because she was a minor when she got pregnant. Also divorced. Marriage no. 3 was relatively unspectacular age wise (she was 21). Within and in between marriages multiple affairs. His last wife, Oona, was 18 when they married (he was 54). They stayed together until his death, had eight children. (All according to Wikipedia - not good, but I found no 40 year age gap).

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Benito Juárez

He was the type of president who kills his opposition instead of negotiating. He did a lot of illegal executions.

He was going to be executed in Guadalajara, however one of his ministers convinced the soldiers not to kill him with a famous phrase "alto, los valientes no asesinan", the soldiers forgave his life and risked theirs as the disobey an order. Well, as soon as Juarez returned to Mexico city, he immediately ordered to kill all of those soldiers with no mercy (source: my sister worked with the Sargent's descendant)

After Juárez's government, there's a period Known as the porfiriato, where Porfirio Díaz was Mexico's president for 30 years. It was possible just because there was no opposition alive

Juarez suddenly died in 1872 from a heart attack. It's believed that a woman, to avenge his husband, worked on his home as a maid, and when she had the opportunity, she put an infusion of "veintiunilla'" a herb known by the natives for being poisonous and cause a heart attack 21 days (veintiún dias) after it was drank

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Lorraine 2 years ago

This. Not to mention he reformed the Mexican state by removing the church influence (which was not wrong) only to enrich himself and his family with all the resources confiscated. Also, he was indigenous but ashamed of it so he was extremely racist. If he hadn't died, he was ready to change the law to stay in power indefinitely.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Andy Warhol was a fraud and an abuser.

The book Edie is a great read, but sad.

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Luther von Wolfen 2 years ago

Warhol wasn't great as a person, but I've done a little research into him. He was a complex person who suffered in some ways. He did horrible things, but he also served at his church's homeless shelter well into his later years. Derinitely suffered from trauma and possibly depression.

83points

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Dr Suess cheated on his partially disabled wife and she eventually committed suicide because of how distraught she was.

“I am too old and enmeshed in everything you do and are, that I cannot conceive of life without you,”

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Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

Also a racist.

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#30

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Kinda coming much more into light now but The Founding Fathers, all of them owned slaves and by modern day standards they would be horrible people. But something I think lots of people don’t remember is even if these things are utterly reprehensible, everyone was doing it and they were all children of their time.

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

What history books didn't mention that fact? I learned that in the 1970s! And we had debates in Ethics class about this stuff....

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ShadowMorph 2 years ago

and Thomas Jefferson was against slaves but still owned them.

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Robert Peters-Gehrke 2 years ago

No, not "everyone was doing it". Some of the Founding Fathers were strict opponents of slavery, for example John Adams so why does the picture show him?

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

B/c they don't know their history. And htey used a cheap online image instead of doing some work.

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Anastasia Redmond 2 years ago

Enough supported it to put it in the constitution and make it unconstitutional ban the importation of slaves from Africa until 1808.

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Sarah Rose 2 years ago

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Aria Whitaker 2 years ago (edited)

"Children of their time". What a crock excuse. You know who else were in their "time"? Abolitionists. An entire movement that disagreed with the institution of slavery, participated in the underground railroad to help free them, and politically supported those who wanted to do away with it. If they, who were born and raised in the SAME time period as the slave drivers, can see and understand the evil nature of owning humans, those slave owners could have as well. ALL could have joined that movement at any time. They chose not to. They liked having slaves and being a master. Stop with that tired excuse.

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Tameka Womack-Jean 2 years ago

Thank you!!!

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lakitha tolbert 7 months ago

Yes, thank you! And don't forget the enslaved definitely had opinions about being enslaved too! I'm sure they didn't think it was right either!

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

Hell yeah, pardon my English.

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Bill Allen 2 years ago

All of them owned slaves? I don’t think John Adam’s owned slaves. There were probably others as well. What the founding fathers were was the top 1% of earners of their time who started a war so they wouldn’t have to pay taxes. Then felt that only rich land owners should have the right to vote.

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Hobby Hopper 2 years ago

@Sarah Rose, by your logic current day lawmakers are horrible people too, because horrible legislation has been passed under their watch (even if they fought said legislation). Should they not even come to the table? What does that accomplish? We all do the best we can within the systems we're born with, while also trying to change those systems. Or, are you advocating violence every time you feel righteous anger? Terrible people feel righteous anger (from their perspective) every bit as strongly as you do. Who gets to decide when the violence is justified?

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Tonya Wallace 2 years ago

I can't believe you said "everyone was doing it" as a justification or exemption.

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Sarah Rose 2 years ago

Continues to stare in native, yea we have evidence that not everyone was doing it

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Mazer 2 years ago

John Adams never owned slaves, nor did his son

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Dennis Kender 2 years ago

Historical figures are to be judge by the times in which THEY lived, not by the current times in which WE live.

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Noah 2 years ago

Yes!

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Sarah Rose 2 years ago

I mean, apply that logic to Hitler. Also, the people being oppressed were a part of the times and undoubtedly were not about being enslaved or colonized in other capacities. As a history major, you're taught about how flawed this approach is. No respectable historical insitution publicly advocates for that

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lakitha tolbert 7 months ago

I'm pretty sure that the Black people they enslaved were born in the same time period, and knew that enslavement was wrong, along with the Abolitionists!

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nooneimportant 2 years ago

Of the 1st 5 presidents John Adams was the only one with one term, the only not from Virginia, and the only one without slaves (his farm was ran by mostly Abigail and also himself when not in Philadelphia or Boston)

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Tameka Womack-Jean 2 years ago

What a crock. You know who else were children of their time who weren't doing it"? Abolishionists! Even by the pasts standards slavery was utterly reprehensible. Try again!

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Curry on... 2 years ago

"Everyone was doing it," isn't that what teenagers whose frontal cortex isn't fully developed, say? The wrongs and evils that have been committed because everyone was doing it are too many to count.

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Hobby Hopper 2 years ago

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Encyclopedia Purple 2 years ago

I'm raising money to carve butts into the back of Mount Rushmore

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Carole Reid 2 years ago

Trump could finally make it (hole wise, I mean)?

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Brian Michael 2 years ago

I was in high school 2000-2004 and we went over slavery, trail of tears, land grabbing from natives, plague blankets, and a bevy of topics

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Carol Emory 2 years ago

@Brian. You should look into the stories of Spanish Settlers that were living in what is now New Mexico and Texas. The horrible stories of how their land was stolen from them as well.

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Carol Emory 2 years ago

Also should note that many of them slept with the slave women they owned. Jefferson had a few kids with his slaves...but at least he gave them all their freedom on his death.

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Sarah Rose 2 years ago

they didn't sleep with the women they owned, they raped them. Not trying to tear you down Carol, just wanted to highlight the distinction

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Da Milla 2 years ago

Lotsa white dudes on this list

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Thomson StClair 2 years ago

John Adams was not a slave owner, nor was his son. They were anti-slavery. So no, not "all" Founding Fathers owned people.

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PandaRave 2 years ago

THANK YOU! Modern standards people! This isn’t the 20th century when things were getting better, this was back when this was too normal. Way too normal. But what are we gonna do about it?

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Nicole Weymann 2 years ago

It was a double standard even then. Europe/colonists made a lot of money with slave trade and slave labour, while outlawing it at home.

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Randy Klefbeck 2 years ago

North and South Carolina got support to force the vote to become independent states apart from English rule (the Declaration of Independence) by unanimous vote only. They did this in order to keep the rule of slavery intact. Those two states forced the point, even though virtually all others were either opposed to slavery, or ambivalent. Washington tried to (through his will upon his death) free his slaves. His wife Martha however, nullified that due to the/her belief that they were "property" that belonged to her. People at times could free black persons but those persons could be kidnapped and subject to be sold and removed to the south where no one would contest their indentured service. Jefferson was clearly conflicted about the issue.

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shodokai 2 years ago

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal. (written by men who owned people as property) {and all created equal... except Women, Jews, Black or Brown skinned people or people who don't own property.}

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Vernon Purvis 2 years ago

No, those founding fathers in colonies / states that did not allow for slavery did not own slaves. Such as John Adams, Ben Franklin and Gouverneur Morris.

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ljbeanfield 2 years ago

That's why I hate Hamilton (the musical!)

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Carole Reid 2 years ago

There are lots of reasons to hate " Hamilton" (the crappy musical!)

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Jessica Fisch 2 years ago

They bedded those slaves

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Desiree Neil 2 years ago

John Adams did not own enslaved people

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T Matteson 2 years ago

Not Hamilton

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kim morris 2 years ago

"All" of them did not own slaves. Governor Morris of NY did not own slaves. John Adams of Mass did not own slaves. Surprisingly, Ben Franklin did.

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Janice Bontrager 2 years ago

There was 74 yrs between Washington and end of slavery. Thats a long time to progress to the thinking that slavery is wrong and needs to be ended.

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Carole Reid 2 years ago

Well....

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Asher Tye 2 years ago

There's something to be said there.

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lakitha tolbert 7 months ago

The Abolitionists were also "children of their time"! The enslaved were also children of their time! The Founding Fathers don't get a pass for being born in a certain era. Plenty of people knew enslaving people was wrong, including the people they enslaved (which people seem to always forget about when saying these men were products of their time.) Oh, and lets not forget the founding father who regularly r***ed a 14 year old enslaved girl, Thomas Jefferson!

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Gypsy Lee 7 months ago

Look at any countries “founders” & few will have behaved differently.

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Janet Graham 7 months ago

It is always best to look at history within the context of its time before looking at it from the context of your own time.

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Trent Wilcox 7 months ago

Slavery, for centuries and centuries, was used by the victorious and powerful to punish, humiliate and take advantage of the powerless and conquered for financial, political and territorial gain. Everyone always knew it was horribly wrong, it was just that the money was more important. That's why the everyone was doing it argument fails.

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HighNMightyBigshot 7 months ago

Mm everyone? Pretty sure Black people didn’t .then again, racists don’t think Black people were people to begin with, so I guess the OP is also racist.

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WorkAholic1 7 months ago

This is something I don't understand: how can people today condemn people of the past for what they did (or didn't do) by using standards of today? In order to understand the past, shouldn't you put yourself into their circumstances? I'm not saying slavery was right, or the raping of women because "that's what they did back then," but to say slavery/rape was wrong from your current point of view - isn't that wrong as well? I realize there were people back then who did think that was wrong (how else were we to learn and grow if we all thought the same?), but they were the minority. People are complex creatures. Overall, I think the majority of people have tried to do their best with what they had to work with at the time. And continue to do so. For all our faults -- no one is perfect -- I believe people, for the most part, are doing their best. It's when people start saying that everyone has to agree with them that they are wrong.

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Carol Fischer 7 months ago

True. I can remember hearing racial/bigoted slurs growing up all of the time (not my family, but others). Don't hear most of them anymore. Times and civilizations change. Most people simply didn't recognize what they were doing or why because for them it is the norm. Any historical person should be judged according to the times they lived in.

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nev 7 months ago

Not John Addams. No slaves for Him or his son.

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Fernando Gomes 1 year ago

Today we still have slavery hiding under poor salary to fill the pockets of the share olders

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Janet Crain 1 year ago

Knowing you're doing wrong but still doing it because "everyone else is" tells me you aren't a good person, even if you did some good stuff. One "aw s**t" wipes out a thousand "attaboys".

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the shrimp whisperer 2 years ago

my teachers, EVEN THE BEST OF THEM, have always said to me "yeah he owned slaves, but he was just a product of his time". TIMES HAVE CHANGED YEAH SURE BUT THEY'RE NOT DONE CHANGING. and the way my middle school social studies teacher absolutely WORSHIPPED george washington... im tired guys. im tired, hangry, and havent listened to any other bands than rage against the machine in two weeks

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Marnie 2 years ago

Utterly untrue that "everyone was doing it".

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GPZ 2 years ago

Also the whole Boston Tea Party affair- what the British were doing would actually have lowered tea prices (not raised them). Currently held that certain members were involved in the smuggling of tea and the reduced prices would've undercut their smuggling operations

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Karen Lyon 2 years ago

That they were people of their time is often important to remember. Most of us are really complicated, and often hold ignorant beliefs until we get older and smarter.

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GramDB 2 years ago

Sadly … just like all racists + John Wayne.

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Pamela Keown 2 years ago

Society of 2022 cannot apply to 1776

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natalie cohen 2 years ago

Who said anything about history books ? An interesting topic, but off track. What OP is trying to say is that these people were each a product of their times. They had been molded and influenced by antiquated attitudes and a drastically different scope of knowledge. That really has to be taken into account before you start judging them. In THEIR time they were giants among men.

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survivalrhino 2 years ago

Much more complicated than you imagine-- even in the North, slavery was common, as well as indentured servitude, which for all intents and purposes, was slavery. Look, people are a product of their times, and culture-- the fact that many of the founders were aware of their shortcomings, and tried to rectify them, as under the laws and customs of the time. In many areas, slaves could not be freed, by law, with few exceptions. Slavery was common throughout the world-- and is still common in many. Part of the magnificence of the founding documents is how much the learned, yet faulted men tried too build a Nation where Liberty was the guiding principles, as well as such obtuse concepts as fair play-- Were they perfect? Of course not-- that is the human condition--and anybody expecting perfection is on the wrong planet. Fall, stumble, pick yourself up, dust off, and try to do better is the best we can hope far in this mortal plain.

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Ryan Parker 2 years ago

This is a stupid pick. 250 years from now, the people will say how “horrible” we all are during this time in history, for whatever reason. Things change, times change, societies change. It’s how the world works.

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Edwin Quantrall 2 years ago

(...A)ll of them owned slaves(...) Um...no. John Adams never owned slaves and was, in fact, opposed to slavery. (He was, however, a bit of an Authoritarian.)

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Alan Sanborn 2 years ago

Not John Adams.

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Mickie Shea 2 years ago

Well said and by my think'n true.

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WhatEvenIsLife 2 years ago

Y'know, people knew full well back then that slavery was wrong. The Constitution actually received a lot of criticism for talking about "freedom for all" when the U.S. practiced slavery. It's not like anyone back then was blind to the fact that slavery was awful.

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bill marsano 2 years ago

Not to Leo Domitrix: You're right. It's often the case that when some people learn a surprising fact they immediately assume that it's brand new and no none's ever heard of it before. I learned about the horrors of slavery in school too--and that was 65 years ago.

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Roger Nehring 2 years ago

The issue for me is that Washington and Jefferson believed slavery was wrong. In spite of that, Washington hunted for an an enslaved woman who had fled and apparently allowed floggings by his overseers. Jefferson repeatedly raped one of the enslaved woman in his control and sired children yet never emancipated her.

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JJM 2 years ago

So true, it was the norm back then.

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Sabine Hahn 2 years ago

Interesting - out of 30 horrible people 3 are female, the rest male. Tells you a lot.

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Tracy Wallick 2 years ago

Not all of them owned slaves; IIRC Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were very anti-slavery but had to concede to the majority when drafting the DoI, Constitution, etc.

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Doug the Special one 2 years ago

What was right at the time cannot be viewed with modern day ideals.

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Gwyn 2 years ago

"Everyone was doing it" is no excuse

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Marc Lauzon 2 years ago

Same about sexism and elitism. They didn't beleive everyone should vote, much less women, but only land owners.

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El Dee 2 years ago

...but everyone was doing it! Didn't wash with my mother and it doesn't with me either..

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Carole Reid 2 years ago

Putin?

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Andrew Hoppe 2 years ago

The wrote the constitution in a specific way to be able to abolish slavery in the future. Smart MFers.

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Angela Martel 2 years ago

No. Even then, slavery was thought of as bad.

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Patrick Meza 2 years ago

John Adams owned slaves? i think you are mistaken

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Ildi Tóth 2 years ago

I wonder sometimes how people insisting to measure a previous era's behaviour with today's social norms will feel when the coming generations (assuming we'll live to raise future generations) judge them, say, on owning mobile phones or having plastic stuff in their house. "What do you mean everyone had them at that time? In fact, there were forward thinking people already living off the grid, using only sustainable materials and renewable energy! That @hole just carried on destroying the planet only to post self-absorbed comments on BP."

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Synsepalum 2 years ago

John Adams did not own slaves, and Ben Franklin dabbled in the slave trade (obviously disgusting) but found the experience so repugnant that he became a devout abolitionist.

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John Russo 2 years ago (edited)

So, Mao Tse-tung, Hitler, and Pol Pot don't make the list. How about Putin, Lenin, Stalin, Idi Amin? You can find many who revere them. With a few exceptions, those on this list made significant positive contributions to their fields. Columbus smelled bad? Oh the horror!

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laura lee 2 years ago (edited)

"But something I think lots of people don’t remember is even if these things are utterly reprehensible, everyone was doing it and they were all children of their time." That's not true, while it may be with the wealthy class as it is now as well, normal people didn't and some states like New Jersey had it written in their constitution that slavery of any kind is illegal. The "founding fathers" were d***s

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Rost it 2 years ago

They taught this in school when I was there 20+ years ago. What school did OP go to?

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Sofia 2 years ago

J.K Rowling!! so homophobic!! Screenshot...8d1cdb.png

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Kantami Blossom 2 years ago

They get praised for breaking way from the English Monarchy when they only did it to save money and after the new government was set up with them in charge they milked it for every penny they could get, they also very quickly forgot how the Native Americans helped them win the war and basically wiped them out.

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George Gameston 2 years ago

Yes but you never judge historical figures by todays moral standards, you judge based upon the standards of the day. And that by that measure, they were exceptional people ( if you disregard the fact that, according to the english, they were backstabbing traitorous vermin! )

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Potterhead 0-0 2 years ago

A lot of them were against slavery and if they had slaves they were treated well and/ or payed

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Aria Whitaker 2 years ago

If they were against slavery, they would not have had slaves. You dont do things you do not want to do...I hate that animals are killed for their fur. So I dont wear or purchase fur products. If they did not want to participate in slavery, they simply would not have. No excuses.

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James Arvidson 2 years ago

As a human, his faults do not diminish his accomplishments. His, and others sacrifices laid a groundwork for the United States. The country he had a hand in creating, with it's mistakes and faults, has done more for humanity as a whole than any other single entity in history. It is more than most others in the history of human kind can claim.

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George washingmashine 2 years ago

I will say….. HAMILTON DIDNT! But he also cheated on his wife. But that pales in comparison to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings.

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Concept-Peter Roosdorp 2 years ago

But according to the standards of their time. It was not the same issue. (until it was. :D )

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Tonya Wallace 2 years ago

I came back to this to tell you that I downvoted the hell out of your post.

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ljbeanfield 2 years ago

Why? It's true and it's literally common knowledge

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Jon Borrmann 2 years ago

This is silly, this is WHAT ran the country. It wasnt all hippies and cancel culture. It was a hard life. S**t happens.

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Jamie Greco 2 years ago

I don’t think people from other eras should be held to today’s moral standard.

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Hobby Hopper 2 years ago

Agreed, but the other side of the coin is we shouldn't ignore the problems their legacy left us.

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Alvin Rendell 2 years ago

Yes, context of the period is important, even if we are made sad by the revelations.

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iseefractalz 2 years ago

Yes, they were children of their time. The standards and morals of modern society have no baring on the realities of life that modern humans couldn't even comprehend the trials of. Nothing new is "coming to light" it was all common knowledge for....ever. The only thing that's changed is people ignoring the realities of society in that era in an effort to paint a more provocative narrative that justifies the often radical idiocies being thrown around today.

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Healing Moon Breezes 2 years ago

owning slaves during a time when slavery was acceptable is kind of ignorant.

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CMDR unematti 2 years ago

Honestly it's quite DUH that they had slaves, anyone with money would in those days, best situation would be if the master is nice to them. And look at politicians today, same horrible people a lot of times.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers William Hurt. I remember seeing tons of praise for him when he passed recently.

Thing is, he beat and raped Marlee Matlin back in the 80s. She discussed it in her memoir. When he was approached about it, his response wasn't to deny it, but to apologize for any pain he "may have caused" to her.

If you want to praise his acting, fine. But remember what sort of person he was behind the characters you loved on film.

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dream of delusion 2 years ago

why are there people who are low-key defending an abuser and r@pist…

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John Lennon.

I'll have to find some links to stuff but what I heard was he screamed his son's eardrums out and was generally apathetic about his familial duties and flew off the handle in violent fits often.

BRB gotta Google.

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Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

Yeah. Paul wrote Hey Jude about Lennon's son, Julian, because his father was a d**k to him. But, hey! All you need is love.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Gandhi , dude was a pervert. Mostly to kids

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Mouse 2 years ago

That look on his face creeps me out

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#34

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Margaret Sanger was pro-eugenics and a racist.

In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”

She is seen as a saint to many.

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Mrs. Jan Glass 2 years ago

This is one of the biggest "it's complicated" issues to examine in terms of structural oppression. We can't separate what the Nazis did with eugenics. Two generations earlier, however, having a severely disabled child or children was rarely viable, especially for poor families. There were no resources, no funds, and very little education. There were no Special Olympics, no "mainstreaming," nothing. If you are a poor immigrant mother with four children already, living in a tenement in NYC during an economic panic, and you have a child with severe disabilities, what other options were there? Put them in expensive institutions rampant with sexual and physical abuse? Sell the kid to PT Barnum? Abandon it? The science at the time was all they had. This is ultimately about women having little power and few options, not a hatred of disabled people/minorities. Now that we know better, we do better.

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PT Barnum. I mean, the movie was entertaining and great to watch, but it was definitely the life of PT Barnum the way he might have told the story. The man had a slave woman as part of his freak show. He scammed people and was just generally a nasty human being.

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Helen Keller did some fantastic things in her personal life and for society, so that's great. She was also a staunch supporter of eugenics, which is uterly horrible. And while on the topic, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telophone and fought for the inclusion of deaf people... by trying to outlaw sign language and forbidding deaf people from marrying to prevent the birth of more deaf people, whom he saw as "the defective race"

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Mrs. Jan Glass 2 years ago

As a woman who grew up severely disabled, and only had the opportunities she did because her parents were wealthy, Keller used her platform for her entire, hardworking life to spread awareness. She spoke about birth control for prostitutes, since babies born of syphilitic mothers was one of the leading causes of blindness, in a time when an angelic disabled lady wasn't supposed to know about prostitutes and sex, much less talk about them in Boston parlors. She performed on vaudeville stages to earn money to pay for other deafblind children's educations. "Tireless" doesn't even begin to describe her work. We have GOT to stop using "they supported eugenics" as an easy way to cancel out everything else, because that was the scientific understanding at the time, and it was related to economic and social accessibility. It's not all Nazis then. It is expensive to be disabled. If you were a "fallen woman" in the early 1900s with a blind baby, you didn't have many options or support.

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Is Be 2 years ago

The Dalai Lama has never advocated for the return of serfdom to Tibet.

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Dr. Carlos Dangercat 2 years ago

I really dislike the impulse to classify people as 100% good or 100% bad. Humans are flawed. Just because some of their actions were contemptible (by todays standards) doesn't mean their accomplishments should be erased from history. Just because they accomplished great things doesn't mean that their misdeeds should be brushed under the carpet.

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John Crandall 2 years ago

Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.

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Tami 2 years ago

Agreed. We can be grateful for their best and try to learn from their worst.

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ᶜʰᵃᵒᵗⁱᶜ ˡᵉᵍᵃˡ 2 years ago

yes! I was gonna say this if someone else didn't. Thank you!

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Mary Jeffries 2 years ago

It’s also important to remember their cultural context. If you’re going to be great and remembered, you have to be somewhat ruthless.

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Katelyn Ver Helst 2 years ago

well except for Hitler or Stalin.

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Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

Some of these actions are contemptible by any standards. Mother t acted with impunity bc "the church and god" had her back.

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Brian Lockett 7 months ago

Don't rape anyone, murder anyone, persecute anyone, assault anyone, ruin anyone, groom anyone, or buy anyone as chattel, and you get to be flawed without harsh judgment. But these listed "flaws" are beyond the pale of just being "flawed." Also, if you're referring to the likes of the Founding Fathers, their "accomplishments" for purely for themselves, and their sins were wrong by ANY era's standards.

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Katinka Min 2 years ago

The problem is, that the accomplishments of God knows how many peole have been brushed under the carpet because of men like these. And the problem iss, that we humans still have this urge to hero worship. We need to rewrite history, dig up the forgotten und try to change ourselves if we are indeed striving for a better future. Because if we don't there will be countless geniuses who will never get the chance to accomplish somethign great because they are POC or female or handicapped.

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Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Jfc YES

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Max Blancke 2 years ago

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TheDivineMsM 2 years ago

Donald Trump- He's not the man you delusional people think he is

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NAVYA PRASAD 2 years ago

Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke

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Scott Burd 2 years ago

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Jamie Greco 2 years ago

But that can be proven. He’s said awful things in videos before and after he was President. His followers explain what he meant when he said something stupid or hateful. Throughout his presidency he told the fold that he was working on whatever issue and he’d reveal it in two weeks. Never happened. He didn’t really grasp the job he held or that he worked for the entire country..

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Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Biden ain't much better

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Katinka Min 2 years ago

I am pretty sure the the vast majoprity of the world has a good idea who Trump really is. History will never glorify him.

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Gavin Johnson 2 years ago

And what about those of us who get to look in with a dispassionate eye? Those of us who get access to media that hasn’t got an axe to grind and that isn’t paid for by media moguls who have skin in the game? I reckon he’s pretty close to the man I think he is.

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Sam J 2 years ago (edited)

Well, even so, we really don't know the long term effects of his presidency, so I'm unwilling to say he's one of our worst presidents. Give it 50 years or so and then let's take a look at what he had an effect on. Edit to clarify that I'm not a Trump supporter and I have to say he's the worst in MY lifetime, but since I'm 16 that doesn't mean a lot.

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Lindy Mac 2 years ago

TheDevineMsM: HA! ... look at a lot the people on this list... it might take YEARS to find out the true extent how TRULY DISGUSTING AND AWFUL TRUMP WAS. I mean we lived with the guy for 4 years and only with the J6 hearing are we finding more garbage this man did. So in 30 years, 50 years it's gonna blow the roof off.

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Viv Hart 2 years ago

He's worse!

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JJ Buddhabrot 2 years ago

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

Elon Musk should be top of this list. Donald Trump, too. And for all that "Foundation" stuff, I've heard Bill Gates is a real..... But they're all idolized by many. To the devotees of Elon, please bear in mind we're not all Elonites, and can state our opinions without it rending the fabric of time-space to shreds :-)

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Kristin Ingersoll 2 years ago

But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.

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Kookamunga 2 years ago

Trump is a given, he's pond scum. But you know who's missing? Walt Disney. He was anti-Semitic and sexist as well. LOTS of people don't want to hear that.

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Zero 2 years ago

Elon's not the messiah his fans make him to be and not deserving of the devotion he receives, but is actually a bad person or have done horrible things?

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Brivid 2 years ago

We really should avoid idolizing anybody, or anything for that matter. Not because of any religion, but because it will always lead to disappointment.

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Immortal Emperor Paradox 2 years ago

Elon Musk is no genius. Check out the YT channel "Adam Something" and "Common Sense Sceptic".

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Jo Firth 2 years ago

Can we add Bill Clinton to that list?

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daniel280456 2 years ago

You people really are NPCs.

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Walking On Sunshine 2 years ago

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Brobro McDuderson 2 years ago

The problem with some of these is that people often do both good and bad things with their lives. Same with each of us, many of us have done bad things. Different shades of grey. Without a doubt, most of the peeps in this list are darker shades of grey, don’t get me wrong! But if we discredit anything someone does because of something bad they’ve done, well, there’d be no good person list. Lennon for example…surely a d*^k, but we also can’t discredit the impact he’s had on music. I feel it’s ok to recognize both the good and bad a person’s done, and to not ignore either.

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Just saying 2 years ago

People are people. Don't idolise anyone.

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Zero 2 years ago

It's gone now, but that John Wayne one was a crazy night. It was the Oscars and Marlon Brando was awarded something. But he sent Sacheen Littlefeather in his stead to decline and instead read a speech about the desecration and ethnocide of Native American culture and history. Wayne was certainly a piece of work in is own right, and went to pull her off stage but was restrained by a bunch of people so never actually laid a hand on her. It was quite the scandal and nothing since has really compared to the impact of that night.

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Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

What about Will Smith ?

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Daria Z 2 years ago

There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?

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Quasar 2 years ago

when it's against horrible people then yeah

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Jerry The Joker 2 years ago

Don't forget Bing Crosby, who was a horrible child abuser.

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Powerful Katrinka 2 years ago

Yes! What a horrible, sadistic man.

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Voodoops_13 2 years ago

Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.

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Zero 2 years ago

And general predatory behavior.

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Sandra Charlot 2 years ago

Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.

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Firefly 2 years ago

Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/

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Holly Ahearn 2 years ago

Surprised Walt Disney wasn't on the list.

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T JNC 2 years ago

Surprised at how far I had to scroll to see his name come up! A horrible racist who even ensured that his racist movies could not be remade

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Soggy Crumpet 2 years ago

Comments about racism for most of these people seems a little thoughtless. Is racism bad? Of course. However, all of the people are products of their time period and judging them based on values of the currently evolved societal values is not logical or fair

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Exactly. If you're raised in a racist community, you will become racist too. It's hard to break this circle

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Larissa Herrboldt 2 years ago

Some of these I don't think should be on this list. Others definitely should though. I kind of think some people are getting false information for a couple of them. Just be sure to do your research people, before idolizing or hating. And remember that we are all humans that are victim to our time of living! Such as slavery and racism. It is absolutely not okay, but in their time, it was not widely understood.

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Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

Every-one have a right to their opinion,right or wrong,reserched or not...like Cnn and Fox-news...all I know is that a friend of mine,English.worked as a voluntary for Mother Theresa in Calcutta for two years in the end 60ties....never saw or talked of abuse...she did become a vegetarian,saying having seen so many open wounds put her off meat...can well believe it.. India is not known for their compassion with the plight of poor people and Mother theresa was the first to take in the lowest of the lowest to better their lives....If it went to her head later in life,who knows?? power corrupts...

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Shane S 2 years ago (edited)

I have mixed feelings about some individuals on this list. Humans are human. If you dig deep enough into any individual, you’ll find something dark. However, I have less respect for individuals that acted on those dark thoughts in a way that affected others negatively.

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Supernatural 2 years ago

Jimmy Page Bill Wyman Elvis..all peadophiles

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NsG 2 years ago

Haven't heard of a few of these, but for all the ones I have absolutely NONE of them come as a surprise.

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Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

The Wright Brothers, who did not invent the airplane.

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Nadine 2 years ago

There's many beloved rock stars who slept with very young girls and it never comes up now.

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Sawyer Kidder 2 years ago (edited)

well, it’s official! Human beings are the worst!

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HorseMuse 7 months ago

So much of what men in positions of control and dominance (I refuse to keep misusing the word - power) did is only now being fully questioned. So yes, all those from the past might have done good deeds in their professions, but personal lives were horrifically flawed due to emotional immaturity as we see today, the cause and root of all our woes. Humanity needs a wake up call to all the still engaged immaturity actions in order to correct the issues we are still dealing with from all the fallout of that emotional irresponsibility.

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Mike Denyer (Wildcap) 2 years ago

I would hazard a guess that, if you ALL looked back far enough in your own family trees, you'd be surprised at some of the evil shite that you'd find there. Are some of these people evil? Certainly, without a doubt... but the majority of these posts are of long dead people, and in every case, only one side of the story is told. There are THREE sides to every story... what "party A" said, what "party B" said, and what REALLY happened. Not ONE single, reliable source has been included in these posts to prove what the poster has stated. "Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones". I do not condone the actions of anyone mentioned in these posts, and I despise evil in all its forms, but I can pretty much guarantee that there isn't a single person posting in this article, whose family tree does not have some evil roots somewhere down the line. NONE of us are perfect.

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JacPot 2 years ago

Was thinking Nelson Mandela would make this list as well.

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Richard Kimmell 2 years ago

Very easy to form an opinion on one source, and very foolish.

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Msc Wa'erstone 2 years ago

All people are flawed and make mistakes, because they are people, hopefully so we or others can learn from them. They behaviour was related to the time they lived in; to write a character assassination of people who have done great things that have benefited the world is just distasteful, woke, cancel culture snowflake b******t, even though they may have done horrible things, haven’t we all. Im not sure anyone of us should judge.

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Adriana Loborec 2 years ago

Nature is cruel and makes many people have troublesome urges. Yet there are still plenty of people who think whatever is natural is good. No surprise people used to be cruel through most of the history, especially as the urges of those in power were normalized.

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Lp Johnson 2 years ago

I don't understand how Rhodes, of "The Rhodes Scholar" fame, didn't make the list.

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MagNat 2 years ago

Pope John Paul II, but risky to say this in Poland.

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Kristina Funkycrew 2 years ago

Men 😒

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Willa L 2 years ago

Facts lol

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Daniele Tigli 2 years ago (edited)

Where's Margaret Hilda, Baroness Thatcher?

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Kristie French 2 years ago

Michelangelo! He was run out of multiple towns, he was repeatedly suspected of pedo crimes against his young models. The Catholic Church in part helped him stay ahead of the claims, and paid him to continue the abuse under the guise of “art.”

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-mafīafrog- 2 years ago

Walt Disney and Joe Biden are missing

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MJLstrd 2 years ago

Too often “genius” comes with an enormous slice of poor character. This just substantiates it.

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Rob Eman 2 years ago

Lol. Weird use of the word "genius" when I look at list above. Scientifically I can only see 1 on the list (though the list partially debunks that claim...)

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Daniel Ikelman 2 years ago

Add Walt Disney to this list...Nazi

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Cobalt.spike 2 years ago (edited)

Anybody who likes this kind of stuff should check out the podcast "Evil Genius" by Russell Kane, which essentially puts a comedy spin on this. Though hosted and panelled by comedians, it is genuinely thought provoking and there's several people featured on the show with whom my perception has been significantly altered.

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Manu 2 years ago

I abandoned reading CRACKED when it sadly became a trash dump. Now I'm on the brink of abandoning bored panda. It is getting full of posts of hate and negativity. So sad

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Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

What about Walt Disney?

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Jude Laskowski 7 months ago

Funny how no bl*ck people are labeled racist, even though some are.

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Sanjay Jahagirdar 7 months ago

After all they were human beings. The way these persons were brought up and the prevailing social norms decided their personality & behaviour. Moreover common man always try to find lacuna among stalwarts. Karamchand Gandhi doesn’t deserve Mahatma title nor Mother Teressa a Noble prize or sainthood. ( Without any prejudice, they had immense good qualities, but their dark secrets never come in limelight)

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Michael Riehle 7 months ago

I agree with many of these, but a lot of them are "Heroes always have feet of clay" kinds of things. Show me any person who has done great work in the world and it's likely you will find other things they've done that are horrible. Maybe don't worship people no matter what good things they've done. A few of these were people who behaved exactly as was expected of them culturally at the time. That doesn't make it okay, but it does mean that we are not in a position to judge. I guarantee that 100 years from now some of our greatest figures will turn out to have had some pretty horrible skeletons in their closets.

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Teri Grace 1 year ago

There's some real propaganda believers in some of these incomplete bios.

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Lindy Mac 2 years ago

Why are people down voting Max Blancke's comment here? Don't you see the sarcasm lights flashing. He just forgot to put " /s " at the end so people wouldn't jump to conclusions. I hope I read it right, Max.

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blatherskitenoir 2 years ago

Where much is given, much is taken away. You really shouldn't ever meet people who achieve greatness; they're always deeply flawed and missing other areas.

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Mare of Maers 2 years ago

Stauffenberg. Everybody remembers the attempted assassination of Hitler. Nobody remembers the fact he was just as much of a nationalist antisemite.

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Mary Finn 2 years ago

"There is so much bad in the best of us and so much good in the worst of us that it ill behoves any of us to talk badly about the rest of us." That was hanging as a framed sampler when I was a child . I've never forgotten it

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Bob D. Lin Quint 2 years ago

Why are these always so vague. Give us examples and info ffs

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Lorene Schafer 2 years ago

really disappointing to see bored panda promoting 'hate'. there is no such thing as a perfect human being. no one's life should be dismissed, nor should someone be hated, simply because they were, as all of us are, flawed human beings.

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Katinka Min 2 years ago

We just need to accept that men before a certain time, did not think of women as human beings. Many still don't. In the mind of these men, women, POCs, handicapped people are all inferior creatures - something akin to trained monkey - and treated as such.

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Briana Kessler 2 years ago

This is such black and white thinking. And not everyone is racist lol good grief guys

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daniel280456 2 years ago

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and any communist dictator.

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Erik Ivan 2 years ago

According to Samuel Vimes (Terry Pratchett character), people that get a statue was mostly horrible human beings.

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DC 2 years ago

I miss Martin Luther here. He, basically, wrote all the jew-related parts of "Mein Kampf" 500 ears before, Mr. Hitler just had to copy them. More than once, he did so word for word, and still, Luther is seen as that liberator of europe. He never was. Other Theologians of his time were disgusted about his antijudaism and how he'd like it executed.

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Pan 2 years ago

Those that scream the loudest for extreme measures, will be those that the future will show to have been doing horrible things. The only difference is that while just until the recent past any spoken or written word disapeared into nothingness quite quickly and tge vast majority of the population of bad people was never punished for their actions and words. This will be different in the future. Both, extreme left and right sentiments will be punished in the future. And only people using their brain will make the cut in the long run. This, or society collapses.

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Pan 2 years ago

Ah, and all people are pretty or horrendously horrible by todays standard. Some by the standard the time they lived. But depending on how history plays out, it differs. One example: if a rightful heir to tge zarist throne would exist, and would help the West to overthrow Putin, but wanted to establish a different form of russia, we would celebrate, even if it came at a horrible price. If Putin wins and gradually establishes a new Worldorder, ppl would be brainwashed, and sing Songs about defending Putin. And hate the evil heir, and the West. If you believe that you were not brainwashed, you err. Everybody is. The crux is to use your brain, to inform yourself, and to think. But don't follow Conspiracies. Find your own path.

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Marilyn Molinari 2 years ago

How about Frank Lloyd Wright who left his wife with six children, defaulted on child support, and lived a luxurious life style? FLW treated his married mistress to a life of extended travels to Japan and Europe. She also had to worry, though, about how he never paid his bills and had to skirt these issues with him, as well as some trust issues. Women were very attracted to him because of his fame as an architect and high living. He moved her up to his home, Taliesen, in Spring Green, Wisconsin, leaving her alone to manage their workers while he commuted back and forth to Oak Park and Chicago, where he worked for the Century of Progress World’s Fair prior to its opening. This ultimately led to her gruesome death and those of her two children. He had sent her a Barbadosian couple as servants to help out.Unfortunately, they were not emotionally stable, and caused a grisly death scene of fire and machete. Frank grieved for a short time, then went on to several more mistresses and wives.

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JJ Buddhabrot 2 years ago

Hope you guys cancel them all.

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Tim Pierce 2 years ago

Eye opening article

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Om 2 years ago

I didn't know about many details, but in general, I don't tend to like historical figures, precisely because I really ignore what they really were like. As some people said, history is written by the winners, and though not everything is about wars, in general obviously most of what we know about these figures is basically hearsay. Heck, even people that is alive today or that you got to know in your lifetime, you don't really get to know them personally, but at least you have a closer idea than someone that has been dead for decades. Personally, other than Britney Spears I've never idolized anyone, and even I recognize her defects.

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Neal Patrick 2 years ago (edited)

All these posts neglect that people do bad things, atrocious things at times, because we all fail to be perfect. Yet even with the flaws in their character, many people still contribute to society thru their creativity and innovation, which does not negate their bad behavior, if true, but also does not negate what they contributed.

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Mry Cstl 2 years ago

If anybody would ever take the time to actually read the Bible instead of just bashing it it clearly tells us in the book of Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in nobles. Nor in the son of earthly man to whom no salvation belongs. Cant put it any clearer.

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K Wit 2 years ago

Not everyone believes in your Bible so your point doesn't stand. I've read the Bible I'm a recovering Catholic it furthered my justification in atheism.

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Idalia 2 years ago

Honestly..... Are we even surprised at this? Humans are awful creatures. Higher intelligence does not make for a better species. We all suck.

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Idalia 2 years ago

Except for Betty White, probably.

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Jenny Lorenz 2 years ago

sooooo humans being (bad) humans. Just cuz they are famous doesn't make any of them good.

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Mahesh Pathak 2 years ago

Xxxtentacion should be here too

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Janice Bontrager 2 years ago

So basically humans suck and nothing has changed since the beginning of time.

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Rob Eman 2 years ago

Well we now have about 1-5% of the worlds population that is no longer enslaved. Technically that's a big increase from a thousand years ago. Wonder if it's a linear adoption curve or....

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Jackie Lulu 2 years ago

What - no Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin?

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Is one of them widely beloved?

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J. F. 2 years ago

Well, they all were/are humans, and humans are nasty creatures - why would anybody expect that they never did such things?

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RoseTheMad 2 years ago

David Bowie ... he slept with and dated a 13-14 year old, who he cheated on with several men and women.

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K Wit 2 years ago

Steve Tyler of Aerosmith groomed a 14 yr old got her parents to sign rights over to him so he could adopt her then moved her into his home got her pregnant and forced her to have an abortion.

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Prestigous Cactus 2 years ago

Basically none of these are beloved. Most of them achieved some kind of widespread good, we celebrate that part, we don't really celebrate any of them as a person.

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MagNat 2 years ago

If being literally considered a saint is not celebrating someone as a person, then I don't know what is.

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karen snyder 2 years ago

Please add Margret Mead, Ayn Rand, Margret Thatcher, Joan Crawford, and Pope John Paul 2.

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Sam J 2 years ago

What did Margaret Mead do that was wrong, out of curiosity? I've studied her in a couple classes and we've not really been told anything bad about her.

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Snowstuff 2 years ago

Muhammad should probably be on top of this list. Look what he turned this world into.

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daniel280456 2 years ago

The Cuomo brothers, the Clintons, Biden the pedo.

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HardTruths 2 years ago

To all the people actively contributing to hate - I recommend the photo of a mirror as the number 1 post. Like so many of us are loveable saints... 🙄

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MagNat 2 years ago

I doubt that many of the commenters are widely beloved/idolised and, from the other side, sold children, enslaved people etc.

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IlovemydogShilo 2 years ago (edited)

Enid Blyton. the British children's Author famous for The Famous Five, The Secret Seven, Mallory Towers, Noddy, Mr. Galliano's Circus and The Faraway Tree etc. She was a prolific writer' but a horrible person. She had a series of affairs, including a lesbian relationship with one of the children's nannies. In 1941, Blyton met Kenneth Fraser Darrell Waters, a London surgeon with whom she began a serious affair. Pollock discovered the liaison, and threatened to initiate divorce proceedings. Due to fears that exposure of her adultery would ruin her public image, it was ultimately agreed that Blyton would instead file for divorce against her husband Major Hugh Alexander Pollock Blyton promised that if he admitted to infidelity, she would allow him parental access to their daughters; but after the divorce, he was denied contact with them, and Blyton made sure he was subsequently unable to find work in publishing. Pollock, having married Crowe on 26 October 1943, eventually resumed his heavy drinking and was forced to petition for bankruptcy in 1950.

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Christina Hodge 2 years ago

All this "reimagining" of historic figures and events reeks of its own racism. I'll no longer be following your page. The cism and slavery that occured in America, more than 200 years ago, does not justify anyone being racist now. The focus on American slavery highlights how little black Americans know about the history of slavery in general. Look up the tomb of Ramesses III, it was built thousands of years before American slavery existed and one of the first things you will notice on the left wall near the entrance is a scene of DISTINCTLY African slaves engraved into it. (You can explore the burial site yourself on the Matterport website, it's free and doesn't require registration) my point is so much blame is put on America's past that black American's aren't learning about other important times in history. Depriving them of the knowledge of their past, especially in their native homeland, is a negative for everyone. I hope you guys check out the tomb in Egypt, it is truly amazing.

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Gianna 2 years ago

And where are people getting these "facts" from?

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Well, it's abote people who are generally beloved, so the number of communists is bound to be small

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K Wit 2 years ago

This rant is nonsensical. Idk what you're trying to achieve. Most of these people should've been in prison. Yeah some are being outed as liar cheaters bad parents so what? We can all make up our minds about that as well. Why are you so against the truth? It's not judgment when it's a factual statement. I can forgive or understand when people make mistakes I've made mistakes I've hurt people I've also taken responsibility and I also know I can't force anyone to accept my apology and will forever be not liked by someone. However I can't forgive rapists or pedophiles I don't have it in me.

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Steve Sherwood 2 years ago

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ljbeanfield 2 years ago

Go to therapy

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Dr. Carlos Dangercat 2 years ago

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John Crandall 2 years ago

Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.

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Tami 2 years ago

Agreed. We can be grateful for their best and try to learn from their worst.

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ᶜʰᵃᵒᵗⁱᶜ ˡᵉᵍᵃˡ 2 years ago

yes! I was gonna say this if someone else didn't. Thank you!

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Mary Jeffries 2 years ago

It’s also important to remember their cultural context. If you’re going to be great and remembered, you have to be somewhat ruthless.

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Katelyn Ver Helst 2 years ago

well except for Hitler or Stalin.

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Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

Some of these actions are contemptible by any standards. Mother t acted with impunity bc "the church and god" had her back.

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Brian Lockett 7 months ago

0points

Katinka Min 2 years ago

0points

Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Jfc YES

0points

Max Blancke 2 years ago

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TheDivineMsM 2 years ago

Donald Trump- He's not the man you delusional people think he is

37points

NAVYA PRASAD 2 years ago

Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke

67points

Scott Burd 2 years ago

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Jamie Greco 2 years ago

8points

Briana Kessler 2 years ago

Biden ain't much better

5points

Katinka Min 2 years ago

I am pretty sure the the vast majoprity of the world has a good idea who Trump really is. History will never glorify him.

2points

Gavin Johnson 2 years ago

1point

Sam J 2 years ago (edited)

1point

Lindy Mac 2 years ago

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Viv Hart 2 years ago

He's worse!

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JJ Buddhabrot 2 years ago

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

35points

Kristin Ingersoll 2 years ago

But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.

22points

Kookamunga 2 years ago

Trump is a given, he's pond scum. But you know who's missing? Walt Disney. He was anti-Semitic and sexist as well. LOTS of people don't want to hear that.

7points

Zero 2 years ago

Elon's not the messiah his fans make him to be and not deserving of the devotion he receives, but is actually a bad person or have done horrible things?

4points

Brivid 2 years ago

We really should avoid idolizing anybody, or anything for that matter. Not because of any religion, but because it will always lead to disappointment.

3points

Immortal Emperor Paradox 2 years ago

Elon Musk is no genius. Check out the YT channel "Adam Something" and "Common Sense Sceptic".

1point

Jo Firth 2 years ago

Can we add Bill Clinton to that list?

1point

daniel280456 2 years ago

You people really are NPCs.

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Walking On Sunshine 2 years ago

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Brobro McDuderson 2 years ago

23points

Just saying 2 years ago

People are people. Don't idolise anyone.

13points

Zero 2 years ago

10points

Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

What about Will Smith ?

2points

Daria Z 2 years ago

There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?

9points

Quasar 2 years ago

when it's against horrible people then yeah

1point

Jerry The Joker 2 years ago

Don't forget Bing Crosby, who was a horrible child abuser.

8points

Powerful Katrinka 2 years ago

Yes! What a horrible, sadistic man.

1point

Voodoops_13 2 years ago

Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.

8points

Zero 2 years ago

And general predatory behavior.

6points

Sandra Charlot 2 years ago

Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.

7points

Firefly 2 years ago

Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/

3points

Holly Ahearn 2 years ago

Surprised Walt Disney wasn't on the list.

6points

T JNC 2 years ago

Surprised at how far I had to scroll to see his name come up! A horrible racist who even ensured that his racist movies could not be remade

1point

Soggy Crumpet 2 years ago

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Exactly. If you're raised in a racist community, you will become racist too. It's hard to break this circle

3points

Larissa Herrboldt 2 years ago

5points

Jette Wang Wahnon 2 years ago

5points

Shane S 2 years ago (edited)

4points

Supernatural 2 years ago

Jimmy Page Bill Wyman Elvis..all peadophiles

4points

NsG 2 years ago

Haven't heard of a few of these, but for all the ones I have absolutely NONE of them come as a surprise.

4points

Felipe Pereira de Sousa 2 years ago

The Wright Brothers, who did not invent the airplane.

3points

Nadine 2 years ago

There's many beloved rock stars who slept with very young girls and it never comes up now.

2points

Sawyer Kidder 2 years ago (edited)

well, it’s official! Human beings are the worst!

2points

HorseMuse 7 months ago

1point

Mike Denyer (Wildcap) 2 years ago

1point

JacPot 2 years ago

Was thinking Nelson Mandela would make this list as well.

1point

Richard Kimmell 2 years ago

Very easy to form an opinion on one source, and very foolish.

1point

Msc Wa'erstone 2 years ago

1point

Adriana Loborec 2 years ago

1point

Lp Johnson 2 years ago

I don't understand how Rhodes, of "The Rhodes Scholar" fame, didn't make the list.

1point

MagNat 2 years ago

Pope John Paul II, but risky to say this in Poland.

1point

Kristina Funkycrew 2 years ago

Men 😒

1point

Willa L 2 years ago

Facts lol

1point

Daniele Tigli 2 years ago (edited)

Where's Margaret Hilda, Baroness Thatcher?

1point

Kristie French 2 years ago

1point

-mafīafrog- 2 years ago

Walt Disney and Joe Biden are missing

1point

MJLstrd 2 years ago

Too often “genius” comes with an enormous slice of poor character. This just substantiates it.

1point

Rob Eman 2 years ago

Lol. Weird use of the word "genius" when I look at list above. Scientifically I can only see 1 on the list (though the list partially debunks that claim...)

0points

Daniel Ikelman 2 years ago

Add Walt Disney to this list...Nazi

1point

Cobalt.spike 2 years ago (edited)

1point

Manu 2 years ago

I abandoned reading CRACKED when it sadly became a trash dump. Now I'm on the brink of abandoning bored panda. It is getting full of posts of hate and negativity. So sad

1point

Solitaire Burton 6 months ago

What about Walt Disney?

0points

Jude Laskowski 7 months ago

Funny how no bl*ck people are labeled racist, even though some are.

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Sanjay Jahagirdar 7 months ago

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Michael Riehle 7 months ago

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Teri Grace 1 year ago

There's some real propaganda believers in some of these incomplete bios.

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Lindy Mac 2 years ago

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blatherskitenoir 2 years ago

Where much is given, much is taken away. You really shouldn't ever meet people who achieve greatness; they're always deeply flawed and missing other areas.

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Mare of Maers 2 years ago

Stauffenberg. Everybody remembers the attempted assassination of Hitler. Nobody remembers the fact he was just as much of a nationalist antisemite.

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Mary Finn 2 years ago

0points

Bob D. Lin Quint 2 years ago

Why are these always so vague. Give us examples and info ffs

0points

Lorene Schafer 2 years ago

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Katinka Min 2 years ago

0points

Briana Kessler 2 years ago

This is such black and white thinking. And not everyone is racist lol good grief guys

0points

daniel280456 2 years ago

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and any communist dictator.

0points

Erik Ivan 2 years ago

According to Samuel Vimes (Terry Pratchett character), people that get a statue was mostly horrible human beings.

0points

DC 2 years ago

0points

Pan 2 years ago

0points

Pan 2 years ago

1point

Marilyn Molinari 2 years ago

0points

JJ Buddhabrot 2 years ago

Hope you guys cancel them all.

0points

Tim Pierce 2 years ago

Eye opening article

0points

Om 2 years ago

0points

Neal Patrick 2 years ago (edited)

0points

Mry Cstl 2 years ago

0points

K Wit 2 years ago

Not everyone believes in your Bible so your point doesn't stand. I've read the Bible I'm a recovering Catholic it furthered my justification in atheism.

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Idalia 2 years ago

Honestly..... Are we even surprised at this? Humans are awful creatures. Higher intelligence does not make for a better species. We all suck.

0points

Idalia 2 years ago

Except for Betty White, probably.

2points

Jenny Lorenz 2 years ago

sooooo humans being (bad) humans. Just cuz they are famous doesn't make any of them good.

0points

Mahesh Pathak 2 years ago

Xxxtentacion should be here too

0points

Janice Bontrager 2 years ago

So basically humans suck and nothing has changed since the beginning of time.

0points

Rob Eman 2 years ago

Well we now have about 1-5% of the worlds population that is no longer enslaved. Technically that's a big increase from a thousand years ago. Wonder if it's a linear adoption curve or....

-2points

Jackie Lulu 2 years ago

What - no Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin?

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Is one of them widely beloved?

6points

J. F. 2 years ago

Well, they all were/are humans, and humans are nasty creatures - why would anybody expect that they never did such things?

0points

RoseTheMad 2 years ago

David Bowie ... he slept with and dated a 13-14 year old, who he cheated on with several men and women.

0points

K Wit 2 years ago

Steve Tyler of Aerosmith groomed a 14 yr old got her parents to sign rights over to him so he could adopt her then moved her into his home got her pregnant and forced her to have an abortion.

2points

Prestigous Cactus 2 years ago

Basically none of these are beloved. Most of them achieved some kind of widespread good, we celebrate that part, we don't really celebrate any of them as a person.

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MagNat 2 years ago

If being literally considered a saint is not celebrating someone as a person, then I don't know what is.

3points

karen snyder 2 years ago

Please add Margret Mead, Ayn Rand, Margret Thatcher, Joan Crawford, and Pope John Paul 2.

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Sam J 2 years ago

What did Margaret Mead do that was wrong, out of curiosity? I've studied her in a couple classes and we've not really been told anything bad about her.

0points

Snowstuff 2 years ago

Muhammad should probably be on top of this list. Look what he turned this world into.

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daniel280456 2 years ago

The Cuomo brothers, the Clintons, Biden the pedo.

-2points

Gakamat21 2 years ago

-2points

HardTruths 2 years ago

To all the people actively contributing to hate - I recommend the photo of a mirror as the number 1 post. Like so many of us are loveable saints... 🙄

-2points

MagNat 2 years ago

I doubt that many of the commenters are widely beloved/idolised and, from the other side, sold children, enslaved people etc.

1point

IlovemydogShilo 2 years ago (edited)

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Christina Hodge 2 years ago

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Gianna 2 years ago

And where are people getting these "facts" from?

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Tom Lippert 2 years ago

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der sebbl 2 years ago

Well, it's abote people who are generally beloved, so the number of communists is bound to be small

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John Crandall 2 years ago

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K Wit 2 years ago

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Steve Sherwood 2 years ago

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ljbeanfield 2 years ago

Go to therapy

1point