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Philosophers and writers have long debated the roles people have played in influencing the progress of civilization. While Thomas Carlyle, for example, felt that great figures are key to guiding us forward, Leo Tolstoy, on the other hand, was of the belief that no individual can single-handedly steer the course of humanity, no matter what position they held.

Regardless of what the case might be, there are two kinds of people: those who are forgotten and those who live on in our collective memory. In an attempt to figure out if some of the latter are getting undeserved praise, Reddit user TGYHJDFGH made a post on the platform, asking everyone: "What beloved person in history should be hated?" and it was immediately flooded with answers.

But before you scroll down to check them out, I want to make things a little bit more interesting and/or complicated for you. Tell me, can we judge someone's morals after hundreds of years, when the entire cultural landscape has changed course? And where do we draw the line between what we can and cannot accept about someone's personal life if their work has transcended time and allowed countless people to find meaning?

I know, these are pretty tough questions. But humans are walking contradictions and it would be irresponsible to instantly dismiss the legacy of, say, the Founding Fathers or Mother Teresa.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Christopher columbus...didnt discover s**t and brought misery wherever he went.

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Aran Lindvail
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This needs to be higher. Columbus was THE WORST. Slavery, murder, torture, you name it.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Mother Theresa. My father was a taxi driver in Australia and one of his customers was a man who'd been raised in Mother Theresa's orphanage. He said she beat him terribly.

Another user also added: She was obsessed with preventing wartime sexual abuse victims from getting abortions.

Her order sold babies.

She buddied up to dictators and accepted stolen cash from them.

Collected millions in donations and never spent them on her "houses of the poor" which were vermin infested crapholes where people went to die.

Refused pain medication for the dying and ill because she believed suffering = being close to god.

Had nothing but top of the line medical care for herself.

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Lucifer
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Teresa was a horrible human being. She believed that only through pain you can reach Christ, so let the people suffer in her care. And it was backed by the Catholic Church so that she can convert as many people as possible to Christianity. And the Western world backed her with billions in donations. (Read 'Missionary Position' By Christopher Hitchens)

Nathaniel
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She denied her patients basic medical care. But when she fell ill? Only the best hospitals would do. Paid for by donations.

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Piet Puk
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Finally some more awarness about this absolute monster!

Firkin Dirkin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Read about her "hospitals of pain" where patients were refused pain relief because "pain was god's gift". Seriously. Or was it so she could pocket the money? Millions in donations disappeared. And she never lived in poverty but in luxury. Another megachurch snake oil salesperson...

Tom Tom
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This, so called "Mother" Theresa was a monster. She chose not to send the sick people to the hospital next door, which would have treated them for free, and could have cured many of their conditions (like cancer or autoimmune diseases), but she gave them only paliative care without painkillers and said a load of religious nonsense to them (and most of them were not Christians), so she actually caused far more harm than the available alternatives had to offer, and she inflicted upon these people long and painful deaths. She was a merchant of pain and suffering, which actually makes her an agent of evil!!!

Alexandra Konigsburg
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was called Mother because it was her clerical title, not because people found her especially maternal.

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Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Read "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens about her. He wanted to call it "Hell's Angel" but the publisher overrode him. She was a horrible human being. She could have built the first world-class hospital in the third world with all the money she received. Instead she let people suffer. Not as much as an aspirin.

Aaron W
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Theresa could have prevented so much suffering among the people she worked with, but she refused to do so believing that their suffering brought them closer to God.

Leslie Brown
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most of the comments are from reading Hitchens' book. He was rabidly anti - religion, anti-catholic, and anti-anything that pointed to these. His book is a mishmash of hints, lies, and suspect testimony. I cannot blame his anger toward the Church and toward organized religion in general, in fact I share those emotions. However, I call BS on a lot of the anti-Theresa stuff. She was a difficult woman; her overriding devotion to God and carrying out of what she believed to be His will, was a tough act to be around. My best friend spent six months in Kolkata in her Houses of Dying. She was on the ground at the pallet side of these people and saw only kindness and the best treatment they could afford for them. Where are all these supposed millions that she received. She at one time was given money from a wealthy man. When it turned out that he was crooked and had used her for photo ops to sanitize his image, she returned the money and closed the door to any future donations.

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TKFitzy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. That’s terrible. The sad part about Christianity is that the most corrupt people are the most well known Christians of today.

Bedlamite
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's my opinion that the more religion someone has in their mouth the less they have in their heart.

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Marco Hub-Dub
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THIS!!! “The Missionary Position” by Christopher Hitchens has ALL the horrid receipts.

Id row
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish more people recognized this. She was a monster.

Panda Kicki
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And all the money that was unaccounted for was never found. Millions, one really big scam. While people died in dirt without pain relief.

DC
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Among the worst persons of 20th century - right there with Joseph, the other Josepf, Adolf, Mao, all those, but, other than those, nowadays hated everywhere rightfully, she is still displayed as outstandingly good. She was evil.When SHE died, she received everything on hand to lower her pain and make it as bearable as possible, while she herself refused morphine to the dying, no matter how cheap it is (morphine really is THE cheap strong analgetic, and therefore - and because allergic reactions are very rare - the one pain med EVERY pharmarcy on the planet has in stock).

Gavin Johnson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And the Catholic Church has made her a Saint FFS. She was evil personified and as such is deserving of zero respect or care, much like the Catholic Church. When you beatify evil and excuse and hide pedophiles within your ranks then you are morally bankrupt and should have no standing within the communities you claim to serve. Instead they dodge tax, control huge sums of money (between $10 - 15 billion) which outstrips many countries and promote controls that actually harm the human race. Between Mother Theresa and the Catholic Church they’ve fecked up a lot of lives. Evil personified, don’t forget that.

Cara G
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She is at the top of my list of if I had to make this list myself.

Mark Fuller
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ok. Blimey. Wasn't overly enamoured but wow, there's some bad vibes out there. How much of this is true? As a Brit, I was annoyed that her death got overshadowed by Princess Diana's but maybe I'm not aware of the full picture.

Lucifer
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

https://www.vice.com/en/article/gvzebx/mother-teresa-was-kind-of-a-heartless-b***h And that's just the preview. She's done much more horrible things.

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IlovemydogShilo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Obviously a typical Catholic nun. I had enough of those witches when I was schooled by them. Despots, the lot of them.

Enlee Jones
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let’s not forget her self-righteous, self-serving letter to Ireland when they finally allowed divorce, basically saying people should be forced to suffer through miserable marriages fOr ThE cHiLdReN. Then she turned around and said she was so happy when her good friend Princess Diana got divorced since nobody was happy in that marriage anyway. Hypocrite.

James Arvidson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her motivations were the opposite of Christ-like. The very thing she claimed to believe. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

LSR
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your jisus kraist is a non existan piece of shite idea, you delusional f**k.

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Erin Eubanks
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well this sounds like it's worthy of a Netflix documentary. I have never heard this before. Now I'm super intrigued. I loathe the Catholic church

Sheena Leversedge Wood
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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've heard about it many a time, but yes, it would make a very interesting netflix doc.

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iseefractalz
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She had lost her "faith" decades before her death. She spent the last half of her life simply going through the motions, trying to live up to the publics image of her. She didn't even believe what she was selling....one of the best examples of why religion, and humanities reverence of those selling it, needs to go extinct.

molshree ambastha
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She used to feed hungry people only if they convert to be a Christian.

Béla Kun
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Religion is the canker that will rot humanity to nothing or the dark ages.

Kantami Blossom
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Forgot the fact that she and her order withheld treatment and aid from people till they converted and would forcibly baptise dying patients, she was so busy trying up her numbers that she didn't care that you can't force someone to be Christian since its clearly stated the person has to welcome God into their heart freely.

Imogene Cargeaux
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jesus Christ. She sounds more like the devil. This sounds like a fucken horror movie.

Earl Grey
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a total tool. She did not love “the poor.” She loved poverty and all the adulation attendant to her human ranching operation.

Johanne Trudeau
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Catholic church has soooo many skeletons in their closet that the door is forcing the hinges...

Dhritendu Tiwary
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She freaking converted vulnerable and poor Indians to Christianity exploiting their conditions in the name of Charity

T'Mar of Vulcan
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's an online book I read over ten years ago by an Indian person who saw up close what went on. He said that her claims to picking up people from the streets in Calcutta (Kolkata) were blatant lies, and that if you want to hear how people really felt, you should ask the people in India who would know. They hate her. (I cannot remember the name of the book or I would link it.)

Edward Cook
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And this is why Jesus said " many will stand before me on judgement day and say Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and heal the sick in your name and cast out demons in your name? And I will say to them; Depart from me, for I never knew you." GOD will not be mocked, nor will HE be deceived. This is why Jesus said "It is not by works, lest any man should boast, but by the grace of GOD." Also why he said "It is not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit." For the record, "Mother" Teresa worked to convert as many as she could to Catholicism, not Christianity.

Real Princess
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not much has changed re: people addicted versus people that NEED pain meds for chronic illnesses. Keating Five Scandal left a lot of GenX without higher Ed because the S&L crashed and savings vanished. Yep this gnarly ugly b***h was involved.

Anjelika
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She baptised people from different religions while they were suffering with sickness without them knowing

David Henry
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Makes me wish Hell were real so I could close my eyes and imagine her screams right now.

Evelyn Haskins
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The woman was mad. It was the silly peole who sanctified her that were bad.

Shortstuff
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I detest all religion. Evil and control of people. Will never understand how intelligent people get sucked in.

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Z Alexi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Teresa [the title "mother" is as daffy as "father" for priests; leave our parents out of religion] ignores where unwanted babies end up. In prison. An entire book traces her duplicity: "The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory & Practice" by ferocious-intellect Christopher Hitchens [1995]. Hitchens called Teresa a fraudulent fanatic. He died at 62 of pneumonia, a complication of esophageal cancer. "A great voice fell silent. A great heart stopped," wrote Salman Rushdie. Richard Dawkins called Hitch "a valiant fighter against all tyrants incld'g god." Read his memoir "Hitch-22."

John Cordova
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She also forcibly baptized Muslims and Jews as they lay dying and unable to stop her.

Lola Nino
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was as bad as they come..hungry? you had to swear to be christian before the witch fed you...what a POS.

Tamra Stiffler
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Which kind of falls in line with a lot of modern Christian ministries who will sometimes feed a group of homeless or less privileged people, after making them listen to a sermon.

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DetongLhamo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She also despised her ‘patients’, who she viewed as being ‘unclean’.

yellowphantom
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because of her opposition to birth control, she probably encouraged the creation of more poor people than she helped.

Amanda Hunter
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because a person associates themselves with religion doesn't mean they're good people.

shodokai
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was deeply sick and disturbed. Religious fundamentalism is now being defined as a mental illness in psychiatry.

Kim Charles
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Toatly agree! Went to her orphanage to volunteer and had a horrendous time.

May light defeat the darkness
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s the warped vow of poverty perpetuated by so- called Godly people. Vow of poverty and suffering for those they deem below them but they lie in comfort and wealth.

Joshua Moon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hope I see her in hell when I get there. I got a whooping for her and my father when I see them them in hell.

mikedtw
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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So just how did she attain so much "love" and money? What witchery was this?

EJN
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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had hoped that maybe she was truly different from Catholic nuns before her...

Bernadette Shekleton
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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did Hitchens who wrote lies quoted here about Mother Teresa pick up dying people off the streets of India and take in orphans? I think not.

T'Mar of Vulcan
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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've never read "Missionary Position" but I have read a book by an Indian person from Kolkota who wrote basically the same stuff. Including (which I haven't seen mentioned) the fact that the money people donated didn't go to the poor - the money was used to open more Catholic convents around the world.

Eddie Heron
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Christopher Hitchens expressed particular horror regards many features of her. Some may not appreciate him, but he’d for sure done his research before spouting about anything or anyone. Yes, he’d been in favour of invading Iraq, Sadat Hussain being as bad as he was. Unfortunately, with hindsight, there were unforeseen extremist opportunism thereafter. Hitch died Dec-2011

GPZ
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Was not aware of this but then the Catholic Church uses it's enormous spin dept to make her out to be some miracle worker

Pamela Blue
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It doesn't matter now. She's dead and she had to face her God. Whether she was good or awful, He will already have dealt with it.

Shortstuff
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here we go again. Religious zealots who think they are above everyone else when they are the lowest of humanity.

Jc Bold
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you Google 'Mother Theresa was a little shithouse' you will find that those of us in God's own country of the North East of England have been saying this for years. She was a nasty piece of work.

Donna Corliss
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is eye opening to say the least and terrifying This needs to get out to the rest of the world so we don't hero worship a monster

Oddly Me
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I remember when Mother Theresa died (Right after Princess Diana). I was truly sad (I'm not even religious). Most of what I knew from her was thru the news, and a nun who had worked under her. The nun told me she was fiesty, and sometimes down right mean. Then later I hear stuff like this and it makes me sad. I think a lot of the stuff is just as much the blame of the religion, and the time period she came from, as it is her doing.

patricia sandoval
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if all these opinions comes from Catholic people who were present to see these so called atrocities

Mary Finn
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I could not agree more. My most "Christian" comment on her when she was alive "she means well." Someone should have spoken out then

bill marsano
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother T. was a mass-media creation. That's what you get for uncritically believing mass media.

Jan the doris
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So how come we get all the nit-picking stuff that minor celebrities get up to, that we're really not interested in? I mean did nobody NOTICE! ? What a juicy expose that would have been!

Firearms Sanctuary
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

it is a shame no one put her out of her misery before she did so much harm.

Lynda Kuncl
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She died at the same time as princess Diana. There was hardly a word about her.

Ally R
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I never knew this. The sixth form I went to had a new building named in her honour... I really hope they've changed this.

Susan Widomski
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I learned things here today that I wish were not true. Is there anyone that is really what they purport to be?

Ricardo Teodoso
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mother_teresa_was_documented_mass_murderer/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

ljbeanfield
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You've been down voted but there's literally a book and documentary proving she was a murderer

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Gloria Julian
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What horrible comments - look here for some truth about her, if you care about truth. https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mother_teresa_was_documented_mass_murderer/

Sofie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a Swede this reminds me of "Kommandoran" in Astrid Lindgren's kids movie Emil i Lönneberga 😠

Briana Landers
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah, Catholicism. Not all of them are bad but the bulk are usually worse..

eddy edward
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I visited one of her places in Calcutta (palliative care). It was pristine, and nobody was suffering.

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Let me just point out that is a TERTIARY SOURCE. This person is basing their accusation on a random person that his father had never met, will never meet again, and most likely was a lying scoundrel. This is a man in a TAXI.

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As expected from Albanian person. I heard that she even sold orphans to rich people as sex slaves.

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It just shows that no mather if muslim or christian - all albanians are horrible people :D All they do is kidnap kids and sell heroin (to kids) :D LoL No but really, before the serbs did what they did to kosovo, albanian kosovars were kidnapping kids and selling them for organs.. they dont tell you that very often do they?

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I think I’ll do some of my own research instead of taking the word of 1 thing I read on the internet 1 time, thank you

Mindy Haun
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good idea. You'll find plenty to back up this part of the article. It's horrific.

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I believe most of your above statements are distorted truth (lies), and those who attack St. Mother Theresa are inspired (knowingly or not) by beelzebub.

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Yeah, BP, you need to check your sources before you post false claims. https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2013/04/mother-teresa-and-her-critics https://religionunplugged.com/news/2021/5/22/mother-teresa-in-defense-of-a-saint https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mother-theresa-critics_b_2824776 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/04/mother-teresa-admiration-sainthood-dying-kolkata

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Should we believe a story that was told to us by someone who heard it from a taxi driver, who heard it from an anonymous person? No!

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So I'm hearing that she encouraged suffering to bring more people to Christ. Which sounds like a horrible thing but did it work? Because if it did work then it was worth it. Even though I don't support that method. If it prevented permanent suffering in hell then how could anyone call it a bad thing? Unless you don't know the truth about Hell in which case you cannot comment because you cannot understand her reasoning.

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You guys are liars. Her order did a lot of good. You cannot save everybody.

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Isn't that called hearsay??? Bored Panda what have you done for humanity???

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There's a middle ground between "Mother Theresa was a saint" and "Mother Theresa should be hated". Mother Theresa was a human being who tried to do good, but who had flaws and made mistakes.

Aria Whitaker
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mistakes? A mistake is giving someone the wrong dose of medicine or getting a lunch order wrong...I wonder if it were YOUR kid or mom writhing around in filth and screaming out in pain while pain meds are fully accessible to them but withheld...if you would feel the same way. Literally hundreds died in terrible pain and horrible conditions. How are you "trying to do good" when you literally live like a princess and let others "eat cake"? Or you beat children when they come to you crying from hunger? "Flaws and mistakes" are pretty weak terms for what they suffered at her hands.

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He electrocuted an elephant to death to prove his point about AC/DC electricity and I will forever detest him for that.

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Reagan is the reason why America is in such a mess right now. He was the original cult leader, before Trump took over the GOP.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Coco Chanel was a goddamn Nazi spy. Yes, she was an incredible designer, and she's probably one of the most influential humans of the 20th century, based on the number of people who have worn clothing directly inspired by her over the past 100 years. She really did change the way women dress in a truly radical way, and I respect that - knitwear, feminized menswear, ditching the corset, transforming black into an everyday color, the essential skirt suit, costume jewelry, synthetic fragrances in perfume, the list goes on.

But she was a goddamn Nazi spy. Coco was a wretched anti-Semite, like so many other members of the European elite during the 30s. She dated a number of staggeringly wealthy British aristocrats and they'd all sit around talking about the Protocols of Zion and s**t, trying to figure out whether any members of the royal family were secretly Jews, etc. When war broke out, the two Jewish brothers who ran her perfume empire (aka Chanel No 5, the best selling perfume in the world then and now) had to flee to the US for safety. How did Coco respond? By writing to the Nazis to ask them to transfer ownership over to her, a good Aryan, so she could make more money. But that's not the half of it.

She fell in love with a dashing German spy named "Spitz" who'd been seducing bluebloods all over France and England for years leading up the war. Coco was a useful woman - she was simply one of the richest women in the world, and she knew everyone in the British aristocracy, including her old hunting buddy and dear friend, Winston Churchill himself. She and Spitz socialized with all the biggest Nazi names in town, especially Otto Abetz, the Nazi ambassador to France, who invited them to every party in town. Spitz convinced her to join the Abwehr (aka the German secret service) and make trips to Spain. Operating under the code name "Westminster", she attempted to broker a "separate peace" between Germany and England. (In the meantime, she may or may not have reported at least one woman at the Hotel Ritz whom she suspected of being Jewish to the SS.) She had a grand old time going on her adventures, and wrote about the excitement of working for the Abwehr in her private notes.

Chanel was arrested only a few days after the liberation of Paris - absolutely everyone in town knew what she'd been doing and who she'd been doing it with - but for rEaSoNs UnKnOwN she was released without charges. It's widely believed that Winston Churchill personally intervened. It might be because the two of them had been close friends for decades. It might be because she was going to embarrass the s**t out of Britain by outing all the anti-Semites and pro-Nazis in the British aristocracy - including the recently abdicated Edward VIII who used his f***ng honeymoon as an excuse to tour Nazi Germany and shake Hitler's hand. She spent the rest of her life being a nasty, bitter morphine addict living in the Hotel Ritz. The House of Chanel has very, very little to say about the matter, and every few years a few more bits of damning evidence are declassified from the vaults.

If you want to learn more, I did a whole episode about her Nazi days in my French history podcast: "The Collaborator"

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Eric G
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Add Henry Ford and Walt Disney to this list. Both noted anti-semites.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Pablo Picasso, he was misogynistic and sexually assaulted women

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Gandhi. After learning all the colorist and racist s**t he would say to those who had darker complexion or those of African descent in my 8th grade year i haven’t seen him the same.

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#8

Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Bill Cosby. America's dad. Up until those allegations started

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

he had creepy eyes IMO even when I was little, and being little, I'd say "creeper eyes"...

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Woodrow Wilson.

Guy was majorly racist, segregated the military, kicked black people out of the government, he screened a KKK movie in the White House and was a strong defender of the KKK. Even for his time he was considered racist

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers PT BARNUM.

Most people know but due to the romanticization of The Greatest Showman, people should know that he was a maniac that did an ungodly experiments on living beings, locked people in cages, abused them, and mocked them. All whilst earning pocket from them.

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Florence
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i loved the greatest showman and i knew these things but i didn’t realize how the greatest showman was covering up the true stories of how shitty he was

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers John Lennon. Treated like s**t during his childhood, whinges about it his whole life, then does the exact same thing to his son Julian.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Based on personal experience with Oprah Winfrey at Barnes Municipal Airport on New Years Eve in 1991, I would say it would have to be her. Cosby's private jet brought her and Steadman into the airport under cover of darkness to go to the Cosby estate up North. I watched from the tower and she shoved a lone child out of the way and slammed the door to the limo. All the child wanted was an autograph. Oprah's kindness and compassion was an act. If she didn't get something out of it, she was quite capable of stepping on feelings of a lone child when the cameras were not on her

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Elvis Presley. He groomed a then 14 year old and slept with her while he toured.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers King Edward the VIII was a nazi sympathizer who possibly colluded with the Germans to retake the throne in the event of an invasion and conquest of Britain.

He wasn’t just a love sick romantic who gave up his kingdom for a woman.

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Joy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The royal family have more secrets than the Vatican and are just as determined to hold onto the devotion, worship and wealth.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Steve Jobs. The way he treated his family is horrible.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Alfred Hitchcock, the guy probably was one of the best filmmakers ever, yes. but it's worth mentioning how much he abused his actors, including sexually harassing Tippi Hedren

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Joy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Indeed. He was a miserable sonofabitch who used his skill to belittle, mock and humiliate actresses.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Not quite beloved, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..

He decided that Rosemary (his daughter) who was 23 at the time should have a lobotomy; he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed. And then they sent her away to an institute.

In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly.

Sick f**k, who would do this to their own child.

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Who would do this to their own child". In that era? Quite a few people, unfortunately. The lobotomy at that time was peddled as a "cure" ----- they truly didn't know better.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers 8000 comments so it might be here Apparently John Wayne needed to be restrained from assaulting a native American actress in the 70s at the academy awards or something. I think her name was Sacheen Little feather. And Clint Eastwood allegedly was mocking her too.

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Eric G
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

John Wayne was definitely racist. Remember the playboy article where he said “I believe in white supremacy,” he said, and spoke harshly about African Americans, saying, “We can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks.” “I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,” he said. This is just the tip of the iceberg. And Clint Eastwood talks to invisible people in chairs.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Einstein wasn’t a great guy. Brilliant, sure, but kinda douchy in his personal life.

He refused to marry his long time lover for years, even after she got pregnant. The child was assumed to be given up for adoption, but no record has ever been found.

He and his wife, Mileva Marić, worked together on their research. People saw them do it. They made jokes about it at parties. He proudly told people that she did all his calculations. They only put his name on their work and he went on to claim all the credit - ignoring any work she had done. Part of their agreement was that she would get the Nobel prize money but he tried to prevent that.

She raised two children - one schizophrenic - took care of the house and tutored to bring in extra money because he couldn’t get a job for a long time. He started getting more notoriety and then began an affair with his first cousin.

He moved to a different country to be with his new hillbilly mistress. He divorced his wife and quickly married the new, younger model. He had rules she had to abide by, such as leaving the room immediately when told and not expecting or asking for any sort of affection except when necessary for appearances sake.

Elsa, his second wife, was dying and he worked nonstop because he didn’t know what to do (I guess). She was basically abandoned her last few months.

He cheated on both his wives, numerous times. Ignored his children. Oh - and he was pretty into his second wife’s daughter and thought about marrying her instead.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

About the missing child, there is a series called The Missing By Marget Peterson Haddix, book fives discusses it

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Charles Dickens had his wife, the mother of his children, committed to an insane asylum so he could run off with a teenage actress.

Edit- I have been informed that this wasn't successful, he tried to have the mother of his ten children committed but it didn't work. Which is still quite bad

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Tigerpacingthecage
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People (men, or ok "not all men") still try to label women as crazy or mentally unfit to get what they want.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Joseph Smith-

I grew up LDS and left with my family when I was in junior high. After some reading and learning from historical documents without church bias, I realized how drastically different he was when he wasn’t viewed in the eyes of the church.

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Tonya Wallace
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Joseph Smith...Big pimpin' (I saw that on a t-shirt that I regret not buying. 😭)

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Churchill. He started the Bengal Famine which killed 3 million people. He also was incredibly racist and liked killing through gas.

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Lucifer
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Winston Churchill, a hero according to the UK & US. Churchill carried out a genocide in India (4+ million killed through deliberate famine). And Churchill believed that eugenics could solve race deterioration and reduce crime and poverty. US & UK were very much on the side of Hitler, until they realized that he posed a threat to their power on the global stage. That seems to be missing in the narrative of why WW2 started.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Andrew Jackson.

He’s always presented as the “common man’s president” but he treated the Native American’s terribly . He also had a huge rowdy party and trashed the White House

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Travis Scott, still ain’t over what insane s**t he did

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Oliver Cromwell

Tried to make England a republic, ended up being a king in all but name. Butchered the Irish, banned Christmas and is partially responsible for the puritans (who fled to America after the monarchy was restarted)

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Charlie Chaplin definitely. Dude groped/assaulted girls and married a woman 40 years younger than him

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Nicole Weymann
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First wife had (falsely) announced a pregnancy at 16, then they married, later divorced. Second wife announced pregnancy at 15, he married her, otherwise might have been prosecuted because she was a minor when she got pregnant. Also divorced. Marriage no. 3 was relatively unspectacular age wise (she was 21). Within and in between marriages multiple affairs. His last wife, Oona, was 18 when they married (he was 54). They stayed together until his death, had eight children. (All according to Wikipedia - not good, but I found no 40 year age gap).

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Benito Juárez

He was the type of president who kills his opposition instead of negotiating. He did a lot of illegal executions.

He was going to be executed in Guadalajara, however one of his ministers convinced the soldiers not to kill him with a famous phrase "alto, los valientes no asesinan", the soldiers forgave his life and risked theirs as the disobey an order. Well, as soon as Juarez returned to Mexico city, he immediately ordered to kill all of those soldiers with no mercy (source: my sister worked with the Sargent's descendant)

After Juárez's government, there's a period Known as the porfiriato, where Porfirio Díaz was Mexico's president for 30 years. It was possible just because there was no opposition alive

Juarez suddenly died in 1872 from a heart attack. It's believed that a woman, to avenge his husband, worked on his home as a maid, and when she had the opportunity, she put an infusion of "veintiunilla'" a herb known by the natives for being poisonous and cause a heart attack 21 days (veintiún dias) after it was drank

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Lorraine
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. Not to mention he reformed the Mexican state by removing the church influence (which was not wrong) only to enrich himself and his family with all the resources confiscated. Also, he was indigenous but ashamed of it so he was extremely racist. If he hadn't died, he was ready to change the law to stay in power indefinitely.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Andy Warhol was a fraud and an abuser.

The book Edie is a great read, but sad.

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Luther von Wolfen
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Warhol wasn't great as a person, but I've done a little research into him. He was a complex person who suffered in some ways. He did horrible things, but he also served at his church's homeless shelter well into his later years. Derinitely suffered from trauma and possibly depression.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Dr Suess cheated on his partially disabled wife and she eventually committed suicide because of how distraught she was.

“I am too old and enmeshed in everything you do and are, that I cannot conceive of life without you,”

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Kinda coming much more into light now but The Founding Fathers, all of them owned slaves and by modern day standards they would be horrible people. But something I think lots of people don’t remember is even if these things are utterly reprehensible, everyone was doing it and they were all children of their time.

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Leo Domitrix
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What history books didn't mention that fact? I learned that in the 1970s! And we had debates in Ethics class about this stuff....

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers William Hurt. I remember seeing tons of praise for him when he passed recently.

Thing is, he beat and raped Marlee Matlin back in the 80s. She discussed it in her memoir. When he was approached about it, his response wasn't to deny it, but to apologize for any pain he "may have caused" to her.

If you want to praise his acting, fine. But remember what sort of person he was behind the characters you loved on film.

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John Lennon.

I'll have to find some links to stuff but what I heard was he screamed his son's eardrums out and was generally apathetic about his familial duties and flew off the handle in violent fits often.

BRB gotta Google.

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Felipe Pereira de Sousa
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah. Paul wrote Hey Jude about Lennon's son, Julian, because his father was a d**k to him. But, hey! All you need is love.

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Gandhi , dude was a pervert. Mostly to kids

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Someone Asked "What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?", Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers Margaret Sanger was pro-eugenics and a racist.

In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”

She is seen as a saint to many.

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is one of the biggest "it's complicated" issues to examine in terms of structural oppression. We can't separate what the Nazis did with eugenics. Two generations earlier, however, having a severely disabled child or children was rarely viable, especially for poor families. There were no resources, no funds, and very little education. There were no Special Olympics, no "mainstreaming," nothing. If you are a poor immigrant mother with four children already, living in a tenement in NYC during an economic panic, and you have a child with severe disabilities, what other options were there? Put them in expensive institutions rampant with sexual and physical abuse? Sell the kid to PT Barnum? Abandon it? The science at the time was all they had. This is ultimately about women having little power and few options, not a hatred of disabled people/minorities. Now that we know better, we do better.

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PT Barnum. I mean, the movie was entertaining and great to watch, but it was definitely the life of PT Barnum the way he might have told the story. The man had a slave woman as part of his freak show. He scammed people and was just generally a nasty human being.

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Helen Keller did some fantastic things in her personal life and for society, so that's great. She was also a staunch supporter of eugenics, which is uterly horrible. And while on the topic, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telophone and fought for the inclusion of deaf people... by trying to outlaw sign language and forbidding deaf people from marrying to prevent the birth of more deaf people, whom he saw as "the defective race"

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Mrs. Jan Glass
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a woman who grew up severely disabled, and only had the opportunities she did because her parents were wealthy, Keller used her platform for her entire, hardworking life to spread awareness. She spoke about birth control for prostitutes, since babies born of syphilitic mothers was one of the leading causes of blindness, in a time when an angelic disabled lady wasn't supposed to know about prostitutes and sex, much less talk about them in Boston parlors. She performed on vaudeville stages to earn money to pay for other deafblind children's educations. "Tireless" doesn't even begin to describe her work. We have GOT to stop using "they supported eugenics" as an easy way to cancel out everything else, because that was the scientific understanding at the time, and it was related to economic and social accessibility. It's not all Nazis then. It is expensive to be disabled. If you were a "fallen woman" in the early 1900s with a blind baby, you didn't have many options or support.

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if Penn and Teller ever taught me anything it’s the answer to this question, and that answer is Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and The Dalai Lama

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Dalai Lama has never advocated for the return of serfdom to Tibet.

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