Learning history can be a transformative experience. It can challenge your long-held beliefs and assumptions about societies, their culture, and humanity in general.
Discovering that what you've been taught is not the (whole) truth, and that events you thought were isolated incidents are actually part of a broader pattern is jarring. But as uncomfortable as it may be, this process can liberate you, providing you with a new level of clarity and understanding.
So let's take a look at a Reddit post, created by user u/FlickTheSwitch167 that asked everyone "What historical fact have you learnt that ruined everything you ever thought you knew about this life?" And it has received a fair share of insightful replies!
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The more we find out about Native Americans, the more I realize the entire history of the United States is complete white-washed b******t.
The saddest thing is we talk constantly about the atrocities committed against them in the past yet rarely discuss the horrible things we still do to them every day. The Trail of Tears was a crime against humanity but today we are still denying them food and water. So much effort into trying to get reparations for atrocities committed centuries ago while Navajo children living in sight of the largest river in the Western US don't have access to running water and kids started going hungry again because congress eliminated free school lunches in January. We should never forget our past but its criminal that we keep doing things just as bad and won't talk about it.
And then people can't figure out why they still don't trust white people. And the whole "just get over it and move on, it's been centuries" is total BS. What as done to their people cannot and SHOULD NOT b forgotten. When we ignore/forget our history, we r doomed to repeat it
Load More Replies...It’s a sad story that’s happened to so many peoples through out the world. The Americans were invaded and colonized by groups of larger and more technologically advanced forces. The Native American groups that lived there were far from united and organized and stood little chance of resisting. Their numbers dwindled and weakened by the introduction of novel diseases. Battles with the Europeans settlers and among themselves further diminished their military capabilities. It’s a tale repeated throughout human history and arguably not the worst. The dead might argue if they could. The Roman Empire invaded many other kingdoms and was technologically superior to nearly all they came upon. Killed, enslaved, and erased so many. Like the Vikings, Nazis, Belgian Congo, and the British, Ottoman, Japanese, Timurid, Assyrian empires and many more. For outright brutality though it’s hard to overlook the Mongolian Empire. Look up Merv. No treaties and one was intentionally left alive and allowed to escape.
Load More Replies...Yes, waves and waves of genocide. I recently read An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States by historian Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz and I was shocked by the cruelty and persistence of the genocide. Highly recommend the book to anyone interested in learning a more balanced view of American history.
Load More Replies...Back when Americans owned slaves, it was normal all over the world. Britain and Denmark were the first two countries to begin freeing slaves. www.reuters.com/article/uk-slavery-idUSL1561464920070322 Check here if you want to see the chronology of abolition. As you follow the timeline, you will see how pretty much the rest of the world also had slaves and eventually freed them.
And now states are trying to outlaw teaching the real history of our country and white washing what can be taught
Same people that are rolling back women's rights. How long before they push for separate water fountains
Load More Replies...History taught in american schools is very different in some points than history taught elsewhere. I once met a guy, otherwise well educated, successful engineer, who was 100% sure WW2 started with Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. He was adamant than prior to that event, there was no war in Europe. One wonders, if well educated man was so wrong, what with the less educated.
Dude, I'm a card-carrying enrolled member of an actual native tribe and I STILL am shocked by what I learn about native Americans, what happened to them, even when it involved my own tribe and direct family. It's like, school taught me the "Thanksgiving" version, and I only hear bits and pieces of the real history, when relatives get drunk enough to mumble small stories during actual Thanksgiving. I'm still putting the truth together in my head. That blows my mind every time...
I mean, I was pretty young when I learned about the Holocaust. I'm german, and we take this topic really seriously of course. It dawned on me then that the world wasn't as innocent as I thought it was back then. But I'm glad I learned about it at that young age. I was able to gain interest in that topic, and that's pretty important considering the latest events in the East of Europe. And it's important for my generation to really understand and grasp the horrors of the 3rd Reich to ensure that this won't happen again. Sadly it seems not all countries get educated that well in this topic. Not listing any names, there are many countries that now start to go into a rather fascist direction, which is more than concerning.
It worries me, as a Brit, that after defeating the Nazis in WWII (along with the rest of the allied forces, of course), we are now effectively being led by politicians with a very similar ideology, especially when it comes to immigration etc. The conservatives do not represent the whole of the British people.
Hear, hear, Maggz. Same is true in the US. There's some dark magic happening but the majority of us are not in league with those pulling the levers.
Load More Replies...The US had a sitting president openly support a Nazi march in Charlottesville, NC in Aug 2017. He hosted a dinner for several holocaust deniers in November of last year. It wasn't the only time he did either of these things. He's likely to re-win the nomination of his party even though he attempted a coup after his last defeat.
And yet half the country thinks the man is literally 'sent by god'. Half the country wants the us to be a white, nationalist, patriarchal, christian country. It's terrifying. The other half is either working hard to stop it or completely oblivious because they are just trying to eat and keep a roof over their heads.
Load More Replies...I read Night by Elie Wiesel, which is his account of his time in the concentration camp. It's horrifying. But I found the scariest part was not in the camp. It's at the beginning. The Jewish people in his town beloved they were being sequestered and then relocated for their own protection. When an escapee returned and tried to tell them what was really happening, no one believed him. "It's 19xx, no one would do such a thing" and "no one would ever let that happen .." Everyone was sure they were being sent by train to a safe place until they saw the initial horrors right off the train. Then it was way too late. I can hear denials like these being said today. It was not that long ago, it can absolutely happen again. People need to be able recognize the red flags as they appear and remember evil is not in the past, it can be found right here and now.
It's exactly what the barstard Tory's are doing now. With the plan to deport refugees, not to their originating country (which is disgusting enough) but to camps in Rwanda. See first comes the plan, then the camps, we know what comes after that.
Load More Replies...The fact that the USA is banning books about this subject is highly disconcerting to me. Antisemitism is rising again too.
Load More Replies...Every one needs to learn about the holocaust. Let's make sure that it never happens again
The 2nd sentence of your statement is why I stopped participating in that Holocaust memorial culture. That was in 1995, I live close to a former concentration camp. People went there praying that it never repeats itself, while it just did repeat itself at that very moment in a country not far away. Shortly after it did repeat itself in another country. And you know what: people didn't give a dime. It didn't matter to them at all as long as they could go to the memorial and pretend to be in horror. Then it dawned upon me: people life in the past so they don't have to face the present. Yes you need to learn about the holocaust, but you need to understand that this was not a once off in history and you have to apply it in present. And when you look at many comments here you'll see the red flags that lead to it... people don't like to be reminded of it, that's why they downvote the voices of reason here.
Load More Replies...I too am German,but have lived in the US for the last 11 years of my life and my parents had to teach me about that.They don’t teach that in school.
lol at all the racists being downvoted though. You yell that Labour is antisemitic when that bumbling boris you all loved so much literally called muslim women "letterboxes"
Israeli here, horrifically enough the current government in Israel is borderline fascist and openly racist. The resemblance to processes in 1930's Germany is disturbing, to say the least. As an Israeli and a person of Jewish heritage, I find it infuriating and heartbreaking that this is happening not even 3 generations after WW2.
That's why, as an American, I believe American children need to learn about ALL of our history, especially the ugly parts, that way they don't repeat them (as we seem to be doing now with racism and segregation). BTW, it shouldn't matter, but I'm white and I don't feel bad about myself, or guilty (like the GOP fears our kids will be) for what happened because I didn't do any of it and I am working to never let it be repeated or forgotten.
The Holocaust deniers are the crazies.. There is more than enough photographic evidence to prove that it was real, let alone all of the stories of the survivers their tattoos and all of the things they took with them. You can't erase history. And it is nice to hear you take some responsibility. Unlike Americans who take responsibility for very little in the history of the USA.
Ghandi was a hypocritical pieces of s**t.
Mother Teresa stole loads of money and left people to die.
I propose creating a church built around the teachings of St. Mr. Rogers.
Where the neighborhood church is the Neighborhood Church.
Load More Replies...Not an expert, but I've heard that Mother Theresa's mantra was along the lines of "suffering brings one closer to God." There was a lot of suffering under her "kindly" watch...
The late great Christopher Hitchens stated categorically that Mother Teresa was not a friend to the poor; she was a friend to poverty. There's a really good piece on YouTube by him about her. Definitely eye-opening.
Load More Replies...And the Dali Lama just invited a child to suck his tongue. Idolatry run amok.
How could he think that was ever appropriate?! The apology was meaningless, and I dread to think about what goes on behind closed doors.
Load More Replies...Eh rather than religion it’s the people who commit atrocities in its name are stupid - religion evolved as way to help or actually it’s purpose was to bring different kinds of people together in coexistence however it’s not working out is it
Load More Replies...They fast tracked her sainthood. People who are the true saints don’t get/want publicity. They just live their lives quietly being sheep instead of goats. In Catholic high school we knew a priest (I know we’re not supposed to name names, but he has passed away and people need to know about him and what he did) Father George Leach. After being the priest for our school he went to be the priest on a rez. This was back in the 70’s. People knew they could trust him. They told him all about the history of abuse by the church. Forget the Vatican. He gave a formal & a personal apology that he meant. He built a counselling centre staffed by professionals and had the people build their own traditional healing centre attached to it. A Saint, but quietly.
Mother Teresa wrote a ridiculous self-righteous letter to Ireland to protest them finally allowing divorce back in the 90s, yet when her good friend Princess Diana got divorced MT said it was good thing because everyone was miserable in that marriage anyway.
This article presents the worst of the criticism against her, but read to the end to see the responses, too. They are much more minimal, but effective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa "Three prominent palliative care professionals, David Jeffrey, Joseph O'Neill and Gilly Burn, responded to Fox [the accuser, not the network] in the Lancet and argued that it was disingenuous to single out Mother Teresa's hospices for healthcare limitations that were common to most care facilities in India. They noted Indian healthcare generally suffered from: "1) lack of education of doctors and nurses, 2) few drugs, and 3) very strict state government legislation, which prohibits the use of strong analgesics even to patients dying of cancer". They concluded Mother Teresa's homes were being unfairly held to the standards of "Western-style hospice not relevant to India."
That's ridiculous considering the millions she raked in from donations. And I mean MILLIONS. Which apparently all went to the Vatican because she believed in suffering and poverty rather than actually helping people.
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I'm from Texas, born and raised.
I found out within the past few years that the Texas Revolution was mainly due to Mexico outlawing slavery and Texas... not wanting to do that.
So everyone at the Alamo essentially died to preserve slavery. Yay.
i have lived in texas my whole life and i didn't know this even though i took texas history last year-
There's much more to it than that, but yeah. There was an economic crisis in the USA in the 1820s that cause a lot of Americans to immigrate to Tejas. The Mexican government allowed them to as long as they obeyed the laws. After about 20 years, the immigrants far out numbered the natives and war broke out. I always laugh when I see Republicans yell they want to put up a boarder wall. If it wasn't for the Mexican government allowing them to settle here, Americans wouldn't be here.
Load More Replies...I lived in Texas for HIgh School. Our history teacher was also the football coach. I learned a lot about football in that class
That made me do the same thing as your profile picture.
Load More Replies...That is not exactly true. At the time 3 Mexican states broke away, Texas being one of them, and 2 Republics were founded, Texas and Republic of the Rio Grande. Some, a small miniority in Texas wanted to preserve slavery, but that was a minor secondary cause. The breaking away began years earlier due to mexico sliding into a brutal dictatorship. 45% of those who signed the Texas Declaration of Independence and 50% of the Texas army were Tejanos, who aside from being against slavery, were the ones who came up with the idea. Also several major players like Davey Crockett, who led the defense of the Alamo opposed slavery by that time, and had transitioned to an opponent of the practice. Your "overcorrection" is just as much as a myth, and claiming those who died at the Alamo (70% Tejano) died to preserve slavery is 100% false
Ozzy Osbourne peed on the the alamo. it got him banned for 10 yrs from entering TX.
He peed across the street from the Alamo. He was banned from performing at San Antonio's city facilities for 10 years.
Load More Replies...THANK YOU!!!! i know and have relatives in texas. their 'lone star' attitude grates on me. and, that attitude isn't just limited to family/friends/acquaintances. seems most people in texas have at least a smidge of that mindset. and, it was more than just slavery. texas was mexico territory and it allowed people from the then states to homestead there. in addition to no slavery they did ask if they would convert to catholic religion but it wasn't really enforced - kind of a request/suggestion. by the time the alamo happened there were statesmen who addressed congress with the cry of 'american blood on american soil' which was a total crock - they just wanted to legislate the attack on mexico as well as the chase of santa ana/troops. we ended up taking not only texas but california territory as part of our plunder. they have wanted to secede from u.s. for a long time; let them.
We started to change what was in the history we were taught, I got the Davy Crockett/Alamo version. They have shot that down with the "anti-woke" stuff and I just can't understand what difference it makes if our kids learn that there were more than white men involved in our history. Oh, I get it, if kids are taught that other people were involved in making our history, then we would have to learn to respect those people. Heaven forbid that we should explore other races/people and their contributions.
I am of Mexican decent but from Texas and I love saying when people say "Remember the Alamo" I usually say " Yup when every who wasn't Mexican died and we won that battle"
For details on this read the book Forget the Alamo: THE RISE AND FALL OF AN AMERICAN MYTH By Bryan Burrough, Chris Tomlinson and Jason Stanford. It goes into great detail about the slavery and how the heroes, Davy Crockett, William Travis, and Jim Bowie were racists, slave traders, and failures, and the whole Alamo myth was fostered to glorify white Texans.
The church began the vow of celibacy for priests, not for any Biblical reasons, but so the priest didn’t have a spouse or any offspring who could inherit his wealth. This way the Church inherited all of it.
It's absolutely true. Like the Catholic Church doesn't have enough wealth. Sell a few of your treasures and really help the poor. Isn't that what Jesus would do?
Here is the thing - in my opinion the gods of any religion just want to have people to lead a life were they coexist with one another - this is the ideal of any religion. However people being people take advantage of people and adding b******t rules along the way.
Load More Replies...Religion is for people who lived in caves with no understanding of disease, weather phenomenon, or physics.
Load More Replies...That's not entirely true. There's biblical examples of ministers called to celibacy. The Roman Catholic view is here-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_in_the_Catholic_Church. I'm sure there will be folks on my porch with pitchforks and torches before dawn, but there it is.
I think he meant as far as actual historical records. The bible says a lot of things, but not a lot of it can be verified.
Load More Replies...The Catholic church is the largest commercial landlord in Italy due to this.
Yeahhhhhhh… that’s where church got messed up. It stopped being about Jesus, rather it was all about being capable of keeping the church “afloat” when that sometimes meant “rich”
Many people assume all priests take a vow of poverty along with ones of chastity and obedience. But most diocesan (parish) priests don't, and I have known some very wealthy priests. Even those in religious orders that require a vow of poverty don't always follow it. I audited such a priest who was a prosperous silent partner in his family's real estate business.
Which apparently also meant they were free to f**k little boys against their will and that, when they finally had no choice but to remove said priest due to him molesting too many little boys and they were receiving a lot of complaints, swiftly move the priest to a new location with some fresh meat for him - some have been moved around A LOT.
That we domesticated pigeons thousands of years ago and then decided we didn’t want them anymore. People treat them like vermin after we relied on them for so much (food, messengers etc)
The pigeons you see in your cities are not wild, they’re abandoned.
The ending of the last sentence, ‘ abandoned.’ Pigeons are actually highly intelligent!
Because they eat trash and spread diseases, just like rats.
Load More Replies...NO, they were not "abandoned". Their great, great, great, grandparents might have been. They were introduced to the US in the 1600s. They are a food source with wings. Some of them escaped. They eat just bout anything and breed - hence more pigeons. So yes, they are wild. A species not being NATIVE to a geographical location does not mean it isn't wild. Another example in my area (besides pigeons) is black squirrels. They are not native to this area and the are right a-holes to the greys and reds. But they are definitely wild. I have all three varieties living on my property.
No, they're not wild, they're feral. Most pigeons did not escape, people didn't need them as a source for food anymore and they were set free. The heavy breeding rate was also forced on them by human selection. Besides, they just eat anything because they have no other choice. The things they would naturally eat are not available for them.
Load More Replies...Their 'cousins' morning doves are obnoxious bullies who chase other birds away from food, and then s**t in it...
Let's not forget the fact that we hunted an entire species of pigeons to extinction. Millions gone in about 50 years.
I LOOOOOOVE pigeon. I use to have that would walk next to me when I got out of work and stay with me until I got home. I miss him!
Who treats them like vermin? Where? Wtf? I'm Romanian and I've only seen people who love them here. We even feed them and take photos with them
Old norse runes were found carved up like 20 feet in a cave- when they were translated, they just said "this is very high"
God I love people aksjsj
Everyone always seems to expect that everything written down long ago must have some significant meaning (and a lot of it does) but I feel like a lot of the stuff that we haven't figured out the "meaning" of (and some that we think we have) was actually just someone bored and drawing random stuff, or leaving random messages like this. There wasn't any TV back then. What else are you gonna do at night?
Also, I feel like most of the stuff humans left behind in ancient times has simply been lost to weathering. Stuff in caves survives because it's not subjected to sun, wind and rain. I just get this gut feeling that any big rock with a suitable surface was decorated with some sort of paint (made from ochre, fat, berries, whatever). Humans love leaving our mark.
Load More Replies...People have been sh*tposting, are sh*tposting and will always find ways to sh*tpost
The Vikings were known for sailing all over to rape, pillage, and shitpost. https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/61841/11-samples-authentic-viking-graffiti
Load More Replies...There's a Neolithic cairn in Scotland called Maeshowe. At one point, around the year 1,100, Vikings broke into it to take refuge from a storm that lasted 3 days. During that time, they carned runes on the inside, essentially graffiti. It's been translated to tell some stories of treasure and such, but there are also.aome that say "Earl was here" and some that basically make "Your Mama" jokes, lol
this honestly seems like the kind of thing that I would write lol
African kings were the ones who advertised their people as work force/labor to the world.
They died regretting those decisions.
Exactly. Slaves were sold by Africans to Europeans. And then onto the Americas. They sold their own people. It was wrong for it to continue as it did in Europe, America and other countries but they sold their own, so reparations? I think not. There isn't one person alive in California who was a slave...so Gov Newsome, do some research before you bankrupt your State, again!
Load More Replies...Slavery was just what you did when you conquered a place. Romans, Vikings, the Ottoman empire, the Chinese, Koreans, the list is endless. One thing every person on this planet has in common is that we all descend from both slaves and slave owners at some point. This is something that is missed when they talk about slavery in the US, that while it was awful it very much wasn't unique.
Yeah, most people here seem to think that slaves were only ever of African descent. The idea of white people being slaves will confuse them, since "all slaves are black" and loads of those people who still fly the losers flag from the confederacy think all blacks should be slaves.
Load More Replies...True enough, but does not absolve those that practiced slavery in any way.
African kings are sadly still selling off our people today, this time in different ways.
I know. Is was in Congo DRC in Lubumbashi a couple of years ago. It still makes me sad and angry.
Load More Replies...Oh yes. This went on for thousands of years. From the time of the Egyptian empires, on through the Greeks and Romans, until today. Yes even today especially in places like Nigeria, Africans buy and sell each other as slaves to warlords, or as disposable domestics, sexual slaves, etc. . . . And seeing how long it has continued, I am not so sure how many regretted supporting this.
The slave trade is continuing all over the world, although it's now illegal unlike centuries ago. Sex slavery, domestic slaves, children forced to work as cheap labour... Apparently it's estimated that there are more slaves now than ever, and of all races.
Load More Replies...Can't remember who said it, but "Absolute power corrupts absolutely," no matter the ethnicity. People with power over others will almost always do almost anything to preserve or expand upon it
Especially when, if you don't, the British canons will blast you into next week!
Load More Replies...All this equivocation in the comments... This post and the comments assume all of Africa was one people, so "sold their own." There were tribes and cities and nations and straight up kidnapping like anywhere else. The difference is slavery in the western trade being permanent, having zero human rights, and selling apart families. That was not custom in the majority of African cultures until white colonization. Read about Belgium and King Leopold for starters. What they took can never be replaced and that kind of devastation leads to people selling enemies and strangers.
I don’t mean to divert from the importance of the message, but I’m in love with the beauty of that picture. I’d make it my new screen-saver if I could :)
From what I know, it was more that some tribes sold their enemies into slavery. Slavery could not have existed without their cooperation, as people from Europe had a high mortality rate in Africa due to malaria and yellow fever.
That cooperation was also not optional, as the alternative was Europeans teaming up with your enemies to enslave you.
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“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?”
- Norm MacDonald
History books are written by the winners, I'd love to see history through the loser's pov.
There's a book entitled "The Dracula Tapes" (by Fred Saberhagen) that's the story of Bram Stoker's Dracula, but written from Dracula's perspective. "No, no, you got it all wrong! I wasn't trying to kill Mina Harker! I was trying to SAVE her! It was Van Helsing who was killing her with his transfusions of untyped blood! We vampires have known about blood types for CENTURIES! I was sucking the bad blood out!"
When I got older and realized the countless atrocities the United States has committed. Genocide, collusion, bombing our own cities. I used to feel a sense of safety knowing that I lived with the good guys and we stood for justice. That feeling is fleeting
Not to mention overthrowing other democracies around the world. Read up on Iran.
Iran was hardly a democracy, by that metric Rusia is a democracy, but Putin reelected himself with like 90% of votes. come on.
Load More Replies...I used to think that America was fundamentally a decent country. Few flaws, sure, but who doesn't? But as I watch the republicans today and their moral bankruptcy, greed, corruption, intolerance, hatred, 'more guns, no abortion' etc etc etc - and the fact that about half the population thinks this is all A-ok, I have a strong feeling that I am watching an empire in terminal decline.
Yes, the Usa seems to be on the decline, especially when seen from outside. And not only because of the Republicans. Democrats have a large part of it too. Corruption, intolerance can be applied to them too.
Load More Replies...But the radical far right do not want any of this mentioned in our history books. And they are doing their best to ban books and teachings of the terrible mistakes we have made, thus allowing this history to repeat itself.
I'm an American living in Europe. Yeah, the consensus is America invades countries for money.
They learned from the best. Did you know France is STILL receiving colonial payments from 14 African countries? It’s preposterous. And they only agreed to this deal of “independence” to ensure France didn’t destroy everything on their way out.
Load More Replies...It's a lot more complicated than that. "Good guys" and "bad guys" only exist in fiction.
Well, we don't throw poo anymore as a general statement. We use verbal poo.
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Ancient Antarctica was actually a rainforest, a lush and verdant paradise, filled with flora and fauna.
Despite the interesting fact that there was a whole continent of animals who lived on this planet that we’ll never know about - as their remains are locked beneath miles of ice - it blew my mind that Antarctica only fully froze over about 35 million years ago, despite breaking from its supercontinent ~ 180 million years ago.
That means Antarctica supported independent life for ~ 145 million years, which ruined any sense I have for time and perspective. We really are specks on this planet.
There's a large lake somewhere under the permafrost in the middle of the continent. Who knows if there's any aquatic life still living in there or if there's any frozen over that is unique to that lake.
If nothing else there are tardigrades down there, because tardigrades can survive anything and are so freaking awesome!!!!
Load More Replies...The continent we call Antarctica used to be a lot further north, too. Want another mindfuck? The coal mines in Wales and the coal mines in Appalachia are the same deposit. That coal is older than the Atlantic Ocean.
The Australian continent is moving North at almost 7cm every year.
Load More Replies...This fact here is damn near amazing, I’m just now learning about this. Goes to show history really does repeat itself, as now it’s slowly getting warmer there again. Climate change, if not successfully stopped, just might result in Antarctica turning back into a rainforest of sorts.
If climate change happened millions of years ago Turing a lush rainforest continent into a barren ice desert when humans were not even around at that time , how do you propose stopping such an event from ever happening again? Think about it.
Load More Replies...That picture - center front 'rock' looks like a face staring at me with snow on his nose.
Pro Tip: Flora = Plants (commonly understood) Fauna = Animals (somehow less-commonly understood)
If you look at the history of mankind, you quickly see that nobody ever learned from our history.
That's why we shouldn't ban books or whitewash history. Teach the (ugly) truth to stop it from repeating itself. Why is the GOP so afraid of the truth being known?
"If the definition of insanity is to repeat something over and over again and expect a different result, then humanity must be insane." -The Illiminae Files
I'm starting to believe that Americans truly deserve Biden and the Democrats. You reap what you sew after all..
Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like, If the entirety of human (Homo) history was condensed into a 500 page book, modern anatomical humans wouldn't show up until page 450, and homosapiens wouldn't build empires until page 490, the atomic bomb and the foundation of Rome would be on the final page and only a paragraph apart. And yet in all of this the vast amount of technological advancements from the discovery of the atom to the modern day would fit in the last few sentences, of the last paragraph of the last page. And people wonder why we are reckless, we're still effectively great apes, but with shiny toys.
Sounds like the Cosmic Calendar ( a 12 month calendar of the history of the universe), first explored by Carl Sagan in Cosmos. On the calendar, the Big Bang occurs at exactly midnight on January 1. The solar system forms on September 2. The extinction of the dinosaurs occurs on December 30 at 6:24 AM. Anatomically modern humans appear at 11:52 PM on December 31. Stonehenge is constructed at 11:59:47. Rome falls at 11:59:55, the Crusades, the voyage of Columbus, and the Renaissance all occur at 11:59:58, while the founding the U.S., both World Wars, the moon landing, and the COVID pandemic all occur during the last second, of the last day of the year...at 11:59:59
Yeah, the events are way way closer to the end than the OP thought.
Load More Replies...There are two kinds of people: Those who know we're very odd apes, and those who think they're God's reflection. I know we're odd apes. There's a reason our branch of the family tree ends at *us*....
This. If we're "god's reflection", then I am NOT impressed.
Load More Replies...the last paragraphs will be literally wild. how does one even transition from discussing ancient rome to discussing nuclear warfare
Well, it was said that the Romans "make a desolation and call it peace." Nuclear bombs are basically just an efficient way of doing that.
Load More Replies...Yet millions of people believe that the universe was created just for us.
Every scientific advance pushes us further from being the 'center' of the universe, while literal BILLIONS are still operating with a bronze age world view.
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The inventions of Nikola Tesla and what little Edison actually invented himself
Yes, he was. There’s even an episode of Bob’s Burgers about this, so hopefully this is becoming more common knowledge
Load More Replies...And Alan Turing, the founding father of computing that was disgraced and discredited for being gay
Turing was given a royal pardon in 2013, and I think there’s been a university wing named after him…
Load More Replies...Edison was one of the first big tech barons. More of a parent holding company than an invention laboratory. We see lots of this now. And many of the 'genius tech pioneers' we hold up as icons do the same thing now.
Also he potentially may have been involved in the disappearance of Louis Le Prince and stole his invention.
Most of the advances of the modern age would not have occurred without Tesla. Radio and radio remote control, alternating current, the bladeless turbine, hydroelectric power, the induction motor, and loads more.
Yep, Marconi violated 17 or 18 of Tesla's patents to create the radio
Load More Replies...Nikola Tesla might have received credit for his inventions if he hadn't been an immigrant, had a 'whiter' name, & looked like Edison. We just never learn.
The Irish famine was an opportunity the British took to commit genocide against the Irish. They were intentionally starved, while other crops were shipped off island to the British citizens.
Yes. I have a degree in Irish Studies and this was brought up early and often throughout the course of my degree. It was overwhelming at times to read the individual stories and statements.
Britain during the colonial era was horrible and covered up a lot of crimes against humanity in the name of colonialisation
Load More Replies...Can we refine this to “The British Aristocracy” - just a few thousand people who brought misery to the working classes of both Britain and Ireland. The everyday life of an ordinary British worker was s**t - ruled by and kept poor by Industrialists with no vote to change anything. Read Dickens’ “Hard Times” for a snapshot of the degradation.
The misery of British urban poor was real. BUT there is no competition. British poor were exploited but not usually subject to PENAL LAWS that actively sought to annihilate Irish Catholics. The brutalities were beyond belief.
Load More Replies...It's hard to call it a famine when there was plenty of food in the country. There's a reason why some Irish people don't have O or Mac at the start of their names, they were forced to "take the soup". Meaning Anglicise their names and convert (albeit mostly temporarily) to Protestantism. You didn't get help if you refused.
The potato blight affected many countries, especially in Central and Western Europe. However in Ireland the poorest were dependent on this crop as they didn't have enough land to grow any other crop. The British/land owners saw this as opportunity to clear out the occupants and replace them with more profitable crops. Same as what took place on the Highland clearances.
Quoting another contributor: 'That is wrong. The Highland clearance were undertaken by Scottish landlords, and these were primarily Lowland Scots.'
Load More Replies...The British have done some horrible s...t to a LOT of people. I don't hate Britains. The USA has done some things I'm not proud of either. I would like to think (hope) we have both left the most barbaric stuff behind us.
I only learnt of this in the last few years or so. Makes you sick to your stomach
Yes, my great grandparents came from Ireland. My great grandmother became an indentured servant for a rich family in Boston that owned a brewery. My great grandfather was a sailor, his ship sailed out of Baltimore, MD. They actually came from the same village in Ireland and knew each other.
Yup. Queen Victoria paid $2,000 to aid the government when she promised $10,000 of aid!
Many towns and cities in the industrial North of England found their populations expanded by up to 60% at this time. Many of the Irish "escaped" to England and Scotland to work as cheap labour in the new factories. They were essentially backbone of the industrial revolution. The starvation was deliberately to clear the land in Ireland and also to to create a cheap and disposable workforce where it was needed. Mortality rates for these workers was terrible, industrial accidents were common and due to poor nutrition and living conditions in slum housing they didn't live long lives. The factory owners would have used slaves if it were legal but displaced Irish peasants would have to do instead.
Leopold of Belgium,treated congo as "his personal property"
And people who failed to collect enough Cocoa had thier hands/the hands of their kids cut
And france forced Haiti (one of the poorest countries ever) to take a loan from a french bank,to pay the french government "a compensation for kicking the french occupation and slave traders out"
They paid it for nearly 100 years,
I knew humans could be s**t but somehow i thought there was a limit
I find that a lot of the anti-American sentiment on this website completely ignores the nasty things the commenter's own country has done. Remember that the US has an extremely short history when compared to European countries, and y'all been at this a LOT longer than we have. Some of your countries still do nasty things. Perhaps we might unite as Pandas who decry nasty things—no matter who is perpetrating them—instead of punching down based on xenophobia. Because if the sane people don't stick together, the inmates will take over the asylum.
Pretty much, the comments under a US bashing post are forever. When you get a post like this, it's only a few comments long. Europe and the rest of the world really loves to hate on the US, I don't know why, but you guys are really the Karen neighbors
Load More Replies...I don't think there is a limit. Sad that those who become power leaders all too often end up being the types who shouldn't be in power.
Don't know why you were down voted for telling the truth, have an upvote.
Load More Replies...Correction, Leopold pillaged Congo for ivory and rubber, not cocoa.
King Leo owned The Congo outright. After plundering it, he sold it to Belgium, which kept plundering. If interested, read the book King Leopold's Ghost.
Sometimes it comes full circle. In the UK now we have a Prime Minister of Indian descent and a Scottish leader of Pakistani descent. Both of whom could be overseeing the partition of the UK.
There is never a limit to what humans will do to other humans for profit.
95% of native people before Columbus died of diseases brought by explorers. That's 19 of 20 people, for two continents.
Columbus was a pr!ck, and all he brought were disease and misery.
You forget murder, rape, slavery, and of course the biggest one, christ. He brought the systematic rape and destruction of countless cultures.
Load More Replies...Every time I read this you have to think that people at this time new little about germs. So I don’t think they were aware they were immune to diseases the natives were not. Every time I see these statements it reads as if they purposely came over to spread disease. Yes this happens later in history when virology was better known, but everyone acts as if the explorers purposely committed germ warfare.
Germ warfare has been known about for centuries (millennia actually). There are examples dating back to 12th-15th century BC of armies using biological warfare. So it was absolutely possible that in Columbus time there was active germ warfare being used on the natives. Not saying it absolutely was, but it was certainly possible.
Load More Replies...There's a really good book called Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond that discusses just such a thing. His books are very interesting and informative.
Columbus didn't even discover America, ffs. Notice how it's not 'The United States of Columbia'? He 'discovered' the Caribbean, Central America, and South America. ('Discovered' in quotes because you can't 'discover a new land' when there are already people living there.) None of his four journeys brought him to the lands which would eventually become the US, so why tf do we even have Columbus Day?
Columbus was a f*****g genocidal maniac who's first thoughts when he arrived in America was "these kind people who welcomed me would make great slaves, lets kill them all" (I'm paraphrasing)
He wrote in his own diaries about how 12 year old native girls were prized as currency among he and his men, they chopped off natives hands and made them wear them around their own necks as punishment for not collecting enough treasures.
Load More Replies...Columbus also took some native Americans back on his journey. Syphilis killed almost the entire (90%) Habsburg nobility (and almost 20% of the Austrians at the time).
I am proud of my brown Mexican skin. My native ancestors managed to survive. I am sad that I'm 70% European and have lost the Nahuatl language and the knowledge of my native ancestors when the Spaniards burned the books containing vast knowledge of the native peoples of Mexico.
Disease certainly wiped out incredible numbers of pre-Columbians. And vast numbers of lived far, far away from first contact, or had no part in what follows: Western (typically anti-Catholic) historians dismissed out of hand as gross exaggerations stories by the Spaniards of incredible rates of human sacrifice among the Aztecs... until the bodies of 80,000 victims were found, all of whom were sacrificed almost simultaneously, and in one location. That's out of a population of 120,000 Aztecs. And that was BEFORE Columbus arrived. https://www.history.com/news/aztec-human-sacrifice-religion
There was a Spanish explorer that first visited the Inca empire and saw lots of prosperous cities and a great civilisation, and told his peers about it when he returned home. But when other folks went to visit the siad cities they found nothing but jungle and thought the explorer lied about his story. The fact that blew my mind is that nowadays we discovered that his story was true and the people he encounterd died from diseases brought into the new world and the cities and civilization they build were consumed by jungle in the spam of a few years
Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, SPAAAAM wonderful spam.
Load More Replies...The Europeans arrived with measles and smallpox, and took syphilis back home with them.
We really need to stop going places. Everywhere we go we seem to destroy stuff and people. I know. I’ll get downvoted. Like I care.
I can't imagine how the North Sentinels of Andaman and Nicobar are living without modern facilities but I'd still like them to be oblivious about this s****y world.
Load More Replies...Also true of the North American civilizations. The diseases outran the white people, so they saw "savages living in poverty and misery" or whatever they said, but in fact, just a few years earlier, those folks had amazing stuff going on. *sigh*
i believe the poster got two stories mixed. The Incas are central Americans, thin guatemalan region. And yes they recently discovered new cities with some new laser tech there. But the theories about why they died out are not even close to formulated. That theory about the brought diseases from Europe is more widely accepted in the history of Mayan , Mexican and other north American cultures, which were colonized by Spain whee today is Mexico and the US
You're mixing them up worse. The Mayans were from the Yucatan peninsuala and surrounding regions of Mexico and Central America. Aztecs were from the Mexico City area. The Incas were from Peru and other Andean states.
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I grew up in a conservative hometown. When I was in late college, I began to learn how the Bible is essentially a long game of telephone and one where the members playing telephone purposefully exagerrated and changed what they repeated to the next person.
The Bible was written by men who never met Jesus, who got their information about Jesus from other people, in a time period that relished mystics and it was normal to change facts, did not have any understanding of "facts" in general or reliability. The men also changed what they wrote about Jesus based on political changes at the time.
And deliberate mistranslation too, to keep the masses in line.
Load More Replies...This is some of the "discussion" I have had with bible-thumpers who say "It's the word of God"---no, it's the wordS of men (and NO women) who wrote what THEY wanted, who left out things they didn't want/like/believe and often mis-translated others.
I tried explaining this to my mom and she still thinks the bible is some source of truth and written by god. You can't reason with the unreasonable. Might as well try to convince the cat down the street.
Ok Mom. When Dad died, I will make sure you marry his brother, that is what the bible says to do. Also make sure to remove any imagery depicting Jesus, definitely a sin.
Load More Replies...Don't forget various Popes over the years changed wording in the bible for their own benefit...
Response to Boston. They changed how they preached because people couldn’t read the Bible. The people who changed the wording in a literal Bible were the people who wrote the King James Bible, but Popes did Change some things
Load More Replies...More proof that you shouldn’t take life lessons from a book of nonsense.
I'll just state this..... The fact that Jesus is depicted as a white man with blue eyes is..... False... He probably had black curly hair dark skin and brown eyes.
i mean there is no record of Jesus actually existing, so this might not even matter and even if he did, he is a minor character compared to God who we know for a fact that does not exist (we have known for centuries now ) and is the basis for the relevance of wether the stories are factual or not.
@Uncommon Boston, dude, give it up. You're talking nonsense and nobody is buying it. Most of what you're claiming is just plain not true.
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I spent a lot of time at the library in my early 20's and learned that the Old Testament isn't very old and some of the oldest stories are just copies or much older Sumerian myths. The Exodus has no real world evidence whatsoever, and the Egyptians ruled over the holy land for thousands of years without ever mentioning the Hebrew people until the Bronze Age Collapse.
And that whole baby in the Nile story was REALLY common among the "important" people.
That explains a lot, my egg was found in a similar manner
Load More Replies...The stories in the Bible can be found in every religion with just the name of the characters changed. Why ppl think it’s a book of nonfiction is both hilarious and dangerous.
The bible is problably a fiction book people would read to their kids
Load More Replies...The Hebrew bible is a mostly political document, which includes the Israelite versions of Semite / Mesopotamian myths, alongside commentary on then-current events, and some poetry. Its purpose was to uphold and foster a grouped national sentiment among Hebrews during the Babylonian exile. Basically, most of the content prior to the Israelites conquering the Land of Israel is a myth, or very embalished half-truths. It was meant to creat an "origin story" that would solidify the Hebrews as one people. From about the period of Saul onward, it mostly checks out and aligns with real events that are well documented in other external old-world sources (Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Phoenician, etc) Saying this a member of the Jewish people myself.
Christianity is built up on other religions and their myths and holy days. Basically, it's an MLM (multi level marketing) scam.
Most religions that have existed since BCE have a flood story. Most of these civilizations were built in river valleys where the soil is rich with nutrients. If you've never been outside the river valley, and glacial melting begins, YOUR whole world is flooded. (Also, the gospels were written after Jesus died, and by men who never met him.)
For those curious, Bronze Age Collapse circa 1200 BC, and you can compare many ancient myths and find similarities. We seem, as as pecies, to have a fetish for certain things.
Christians are so brainwashed that to tell them actually historical facts drives them crazy. The whole thing is actually the equivalent of a fairy tale & the Christ story has been repeated several times through other cultures. Look up the Egyptian God Horus.
As a Jew, I have to say, at least we are smart about it. We read it for tradition, not because we think it is the literal truth. My rabbi even says "In our tradition" when studying a concept.
The Japanese murdered more Chinese than the Germans did Jews. We praise Japan for their society and technological advances and despise the Germans because of Hitler. Whats worse? The Japanese boiling babies or the germans corraling jews into gas chambers? Yet the Japanese don't get much mainstream attention for all their atrocities.
We don't despise the Germans any more than we despise the Japanese. Neither Nazi Germany nor Imperial Japan survived past 1945.
It's not a f*****g competition. Plus, which generation and specifically who was responsible? Certainly not anyone alive today. When are we going to leave people alone, who had nothing to do with the atrocities of the past, just being born in a country with a dark past? That's a lot of weight to carry around for people who are just wanting to live their life and make the world better, or even just survive. We all got our own problems in the present to worry about. We all need to learn to get along and accept everyone for who we are now, and not what our ancestors did. Learn history, good. Blame people of today for history, bad. So, in this context of the Japanese today, no they're not perfect, but they have come a long way as a society and country.
i would say we praise Germany for their current society and technological advances as well
I know right, German knives, cars food and then Japan for electronics, cars and food 😆 both are awesome now
Load More Replies...Some of us prefer to hold “militarism” to blame, not peoples. But, as an American, where militarism is held up as a virtue, I don’t get much traction.
You know this stuff still goes on in other countries, right? But Time changes and new generations have new ideas. During WWII in germany if you didn't act like you supported hitler you would disappear. So not all germans; not all japanese. America's atrocity is valuing guns more than children
Not all Americans, though. And we won't go missing if we speak up and speak out.
Load More Replies...uh? Modern Japan is as far from that as modern Germany is from Hitler! Luckily societies can evolve for the better in a few decades. Sadly there are exceptions, for example if you have a dictator who still lives in the 1950s and believes his run-down country is interesting enough so "The West" wants to attack it - FCK PTN
Not a damn competition. As a Chinese person, they were BOTH atrocious. But it’s the Nazi not the Germans. There’s a difference. Also, the Japanese guys who did all these horrible stuff to us are dead now. All of them are dead. Fortunately
What's worse is that japanese don't learn about it in school. In Germany kids learn about the nazi regime early on so it never repeats again, but the japanese just completely deleted that part of history and don't mention it in their history books. Also japan has never apologized for those atrocities (in china and in korea), not even once
We could also add into this debate what the UK government and the USA government did with zero repercussions. The UK used POWs as slave labour in the UK, the USA built internment camps for Japanese US citizens, many of whom had over 100 years of US descent. Slavery has been around since humans decided that other humans were "less than", most of them were the victims of a losing side in war. Many nations' leaders chose to use their people as currency to appease a foe or to prevent colonization. Slavery is not truly about colour, it's about who dominated who thousands of years ago, before modern religion. The Roman Empire enslaved millions of people across the world from mainland Europe to North Africa to Scandinavia. The much maligned British Empire is barely 300 years old. The French, Dutch, Spanish, German and Austrian nations colonised countries around the world. History is destined to repeat for as long as humans think we are the superior species.
« We praise Japan for their society and technological advances and despise the Germans because of Hitler » Who wrote this s**t?
As an African, probably learning about all the empires and developments on the African continent. Things that fly in the face of the claim that Africans were backward savages. We probably know more about the empires in the northern parts of the continent but other developments like the Kingdom of Zimbabwe and Mapungubwe, the latter whose discovery was kept hush-hush because it didn't fit in with the narrative that justified continued colonization of Africans. There's another more newly discovered civilization, named the BoKoni, that's still subject to all sorts of rumours just because it couldn't have been Africans that did that. That even the "huts" some Africans lived in were a proactive choice because of certain advantages they held such as their ability to deal with the local climate and not simply because that's all they knew. A bunch of little things that make history seem a lot less "black and white".
Also, Timbuktu. I took a couple of courses from a woman who became an Urban Anthropologist, in Africa. This teeny, tiny Jewish woman from Connecticut (as she described herself) received quite a few raised eyebrows when she voiced her career intentions. She spent years in Africa studying urban cultures, and of the past cities, before most people even recognize that people in Africa were capable of great civilization. The knowledge was there, but most people didn't want to hear it.
“ Things that fly in the face of the claim that Africans were backward savages” I agree with this 100 percent . Like wtf the colonial invaders just destroy knowledge and usurp the resources . Then freaking enslave the people of the land *they just took * and have the guts to call them “backwards” like this wrong propaganda was seen everywhere and the people took it as the truth
Load More Replies...Yes! Yes! Only a few years ago did I start learning of these neglected stories of how far our civilization had come before the colonizers arrived, an example is the Benin Empire. We as Africans truly need to write our own history from our point of view, and teach ourselves this history from early childhood.
https://www.pbs.org/show/africas-great-civilizations/
Load More Replies...This. Just b/c it isn't Greco-Roman doesn't mean it wasn't civilization.
The Moors from Africa who ruled parts of Spain and Italy for over 700 years, They opened universities, built street lights, sanitation system. Many Sicilians are descendants of Moors. Because of them, the world could have been more advanced today.
Yes the choice people made NOT to build their buildings from stone, means even today people think that means they had no culture or intelligence. But rather they put their time and efforts into other things. Most of us have never carved a rock or constructed a bridge, yet we are cultured educated intelligent beings. Same with those people, they just didn't try to change the world to fit their ambitions. With all the destruction that entails.
The powerful always need to present themselves as superior, and the rest as needing their help or intervention. The same happens in politics, religion, etc. You can see that even in movies nowadays. Just see the way any city in Africa or south of the Rio Grande is depicted in Hollywood movies. Technology, high rises, or anything related to the modern world does not exist outside the "civilized north".
The kingdom of Mali was at one point ruled by the richest man to ever lived ( Mansa Musa) he had more money then, than Elon Musk or Bezos has today
Indeeds. I highly recommend a documentary series called Africa's Great Civilizations hosted by Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr on that very subject. It's very good. You can find it here: https://www.pbs.org/show/africas-great-civilizations/
Victorian era London was a terrible place to be alive as a member of the working class. If I recall correctly. You could pay a penny to sit indoors on a bench but no sleeping! Two Pennies and you could swing your arms over a rope and sleep standing up or if you made hella money that day you could pay 4 Pennies and sleep in a coffin. The water is undrinkable and children expected working hours were 12 to 18 a day starting at 4 yrs old. By those standards a lot of us would look like royalty to them.
All it takes is baby steps backwards so we normalize it. On a TOTALLY unrelated subject, did ya hear? Wisconsin just made it legal for 14 year olds to work until 11pm (18 hour work weeks during school, 40 any no school week).
Load More Replies...In many places of the world today, a lot of us do look like royalty. When folks complain, I wish they would keep this in mind. There are still over 40 million slaves today. Many of them children.
When my husband asked me what I wanted out of life (when we were dating), I said "I just want to be comfortable". That's it. I'm so grateful for the hot water in my bath or shower because I know that my grandmother had to pump water out of a well outside. I'm grateful for the air conditioning when it's too hot outside because, again, my grandmother didn't have a/c until she was in her 30s. I'm grateful for food that I didn't have to kill myself and sometimes don't even cook myself(take out)! There are lots of little things I get to have on a daily basis that even some people today would LOVE to experience and that's what I tell myself when I'm having a bad day. I don't care to ever be rich, I just want to be comfortable, and to me, that's all that matters in life.
Load More Replies...And still people whine about how they want to go back to the "good old day" forgetting that they themselves would probably die of dysentery after a week
i mean at this point in time you should probably blame the bourgeoisie, since the monarchy was already a constitutional one.
Load More Replies...I read about pubs and such, that had a rope, really drunk people got put on to sleep, that way they puked on the floor and it was easier to clean up
The GOP has already started repealing super basic child labor laws..we are heading backwards so fast in so many ways
Yes, and the wealthy corporation owners of the world, very much wish they could bring this back about.
No Capitalism but Imperialism. Remember at that time The British Empire was the biggest and richest but the people in the UK lived the most miserably.
Load More Replies...I once heard a saying that goes *“if you trace someone’s ‘land’ back far enough in time, it was bought in blood.”*
No way, look for example at Flevoland, one of the provinces of the Netherlands. Before it was created in the fifties it was mostly water. Noone fought over it and no blood was spilled creating it. (Okay maybe someone cut their finger while digging)
Load More Replies...And yet it is pretty accurate. How does anybody “own”, and maintain ownership of land?
Load More Replies...Except for the native cultures who understand that land cannot be owned by any person but is owned by all living creatures....
My property is so bad, people actually paid blood to get rid of it.
And Not all the blood was human, s we expanded our range we encountered other animals there first that would have been happy to eat us
Prior to 1976 student loan debt could be discharged immediately after graduation by filing for bankruptcy. Then the "education amendments of 1976" stipulated that student loans could not be discharged in bankruptcy until five years of repayment, barring proof of "undue hardship." 1984 this was extended to cover private student loans as well. The "crime control act of 1990" extended the period before which bankruptcy proceedings could commence to 7 years after repayment began. And in 1991 the six year statute of limitations on collection was finally eliminated after it had been enacted in 1985. By 1998 there was a big push to eliminate any methods of discharging student loans via bankruptcy and seven years later, in the year 2005, all qualified student loans (including most private) were excepted from discharge with the passage of the "bankruptcy abuse prevention and consumer protection act." Since then there have been a few attempts to give modern college educated people the same fighting chance that the old college educated folks had, but to little avail. Many of the same boomers that vote against helping college grads get out of exorbitant debt are the same ones who had their own college education funded by taxpayers. Still think those old folks in politics have the people's best interest in mind?
I never thought they had the people's best interest in mind. The moment they start taking on big campaign donations is the moment whatever noble intentions they had are compromised.
What's crazy (only talking about the state) is I saw a bill for somebody paying the minimum of there student loan on time for years, the original loan was 4 150,000 the outstanding balance was almost a million dollars. The only way u get out of paying ur loan off is to die still owing. That's not right!!!
They had the same thing with credit cards. Minimum payment never covered the interest charge so balance would never be paid with min payments. Government changed that a few years ago I believe.
Load More Replies...I had $80K in student loans (USA) and became permanently disabled when I was 30. It took me 7 years to get my loans forgiven under the disability waiver act, and then the state I live in still wanted to charge me tax on the $80K that was forgiven, stating they viewed it as "income." It took another 4 years and hiring a lawyer to get that settled. The way the US handles student loans and charging for higher education is disgusting.
I just caught part of a vice news story where they tracked down the former government employee who devised this plan and he is unrepentant, they increased the loan repayment, it worked in his eyes.
Thanks for the rec! Will have to track down
Load More Replies...I thought having educated citizens was supposed to be good for a country?
The difficulty is that if most students go bankrupt on graduation then why would you lend them money? Non-dischargeable student loans were the only way the government could get out of having to pay for education itself.
So don’t lend, make education free at the point of need. Govt underwrites student debt so the state pays in any case. Student loan policy is massively more costly to u the tax payer than just providing education and maintenance grants for free
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There are graffiti that got preserved in Pompei and Herculanum. Because they didn't have paper, public announcement were directly painted on the walls.
Some of those graffiti are on par with what you can find on the toilet's wall of trucker's stop. "i f****d the barmaid", "Felix f***s like a god", "Take of your clothes and show us your hairy privates"
In one documentary, the host showed one in a public toilet saying "I had a good s**t". Very candid bunch of people.
I was a bit horrified when I visited and saw what was basically a concrete bed with a concrete pillow. I would suffer without my comfy mattress and pillows.
They still had mattresses. Not everyone was sleeping directly on concrete.
Load More Replies...I take pride in having an academic article out there about these and getting the C word published in it hehe
That's a big slay. What's it called? Where can I find it?
Load More Replies...Plus, Pompeii has so many d***s etched into walls/rocks/etc. that were graffiti of the time. However, as research has started to show/develop that may have been advertising for cathouses rather than graffiti.
That Oxford University is older than the Aztec empire.
Okay bored panda, I don’t really like being ‘that guy’, but… This is a photo of a Mayan architecture (temple at Chichen Itza), not Aztec.
I thought that the picture was of Oxford University! /s
Load More Replies...I read something recently about the inaccuracy of saying “ancient Aztec” or “ancient Inca” because they were contemporaneous with Shakespeare and we don’t refer to that period as ancient - puts things in perspective!
OK, and it is far younger than the Mayans ---- whose temple this is, btw ----- and who cares if Oxford is older than the Aztecs? One is a uni, one is a whole civilization.
Mexicas, not Aztecs. Aztecs were nomads, Mexicas were not, there was never an Aztec empire because of that, even though the latter were the former's direct descendants.
Does that mean it's okay for the esteemed university to just go ahead and take their stuff like they did in Africa and India? Asking for a friend... Edit: I am stoned and have been drinking. I'm sorry.
It's the old joke - why are the pyramids in Egypt? Because they were too big for the British to steal! I can say this as a Brit.
Load More Replies...Nalanda University is considered to be older than Oxford University. Nalanda University was established in the 5th century CE in Bihar, India, while Oxford University was founded in the 12th century CE in Oxford, England. Nalanda University was one of the oldest and most renowned centers of learning in ancient India, attracting scholars from all over Asia. It was a Buddhist center of learning and housed thousands of students and teachers. Oxford University, on the other hand, was established as a university town around the teaching of theology, and gradually developed into a center of learning in various fields of study.
Learning about the depth and breadth of slavery in human history was a real eye-opener. We have really detailed documents from more modern history to show WHY that idea is so heinous, but it's always been a significant part of cultures all around the world serving as anything from a social construct to the very currency of war and with autonomy ranging from that of livestock to that of a low caste. Evidence of slavery predates written records and is even included in the code of Hammurabi where it was already an established institution and we still haven't stamped it out today, April 10th 2023, where slavery affects an estimated 46 million people (that's more than the total population of California, and approximately the population of Spain). It's crazy how awful humans have always been to one another and that we still can't seem to hold each other accountable for basic human rights, despite indelible proof.
Humans and a few monkeys are the only species, I believe, who kill for reasons other than survival. Our big brains do us little favor.
No, cats kill for fun, orcas separate baby whales from their mums, kill then and only eat the tongues. Lions kill the cubs in any pride they take over. There’s tons of examples of none human animals killing for reasons of their own. We aren’t that different from any other animal, both good and bad
Load More Replies...People with money have always, and will always, enslave those without.
When i wrote that humans always had and always will have slaves, my comment got downvoted by the kindergarden militia. I didn't invent it, i just look at history and today.
I think it's short sighted to say "always will". I'd like to be a little more optimistic and believe that eventually we'll evolve enough and our technology will render slavery obsolete. Probably not in our lifetimes though.
Load More Replies...And if Republicans have their way, you would be imprisoned for teaching about this subject.
There are more slaves now than there has ever been before in history. Let that sink in.
What gets me is extremists. Get rid of such and such a statue as they supported slavery. That’s a waste of time as slavery is STILL happening. Campaign against that!
For over 300 years, the coastlines of the south west of England were at the mercy of Barbary pirates (corsairs) from the coast of North Africa, based mainly in the ports of Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli. Their number included not only North Africans but also English and Dutch privateers. Their aim was to capture slaves for the Arab slave markets in North Africa. The Barbary pirates attacked and plundered not only those countries bordering the Mediterranean but as far north as the English Channel, Ireland, Scotland and Iceland, with the western coast of England almost being raided at will.
No one outside of America thinks the Puritans were a bunch of sweet, oppressed, morally-pure goody-goodies.
Puritans were clearly religious fanatics. They were thrown out of 3 separate places.....England, Holland, Brazil.....before settling in New England at a time of year when it was too late to plant a crop.
They came to America b/c they were too intolerant for the European religions
The Puritians were religious fanatics, as were the Piligrams. They left England / Europe so they could follow their religious beliefs. I learned this in NJ public school in the 1960's. They rejected anyone who didn't follow their religion. Massachusetts was not founded on religious freedom, but on intolerance.
Nobody with an education thinks this either. The problem in America right now is that 70% of the population reads at or below the 3rd grade level. You wouldn’t believe it. But as a teacher who knows the science of reading instruction, I will get punished if any higher ups know that instead of forcing kids who can’t read to “read” the curriculum, I am teaching them how to read and think critically with actual evidence-based materials. Hence, the repetition of history and class and color- based discrimination continues.
I live in New England. No one here thinks the Puritans were anything but a bunch of repressed religious fascists.
I love the Robin Williams joke: ah the puritans, people so uptight the English kicked them out
Also, they were expelled from England and tried living in Holland practicing their "faith", until they were no longer wanted there and, basically, forced to go to America bc no rational country wanted those radicals.
When I learned that NASA had discovered over 100 billion GALAXIES and seeing the image to put into perspective that our entire solar system is only about the size of a coin compared to our galaxy which in relation would be the size of the United States.
We are so incredibly small within the universe.
Edit to add: Here’s a [photo](https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2021/hubble-gazes-at-a-galactic-menagerie) of just a snippet of the various galaxies. Keeping in mind, we haven’t even ventured outside of our solar system which is within our Milky Way galaxy, just a grain of sand in context to the universe.
I always wish people would use "known universe" or "observable universe". I see so many people trying to do relative size comparisons and saying "the universe is this big so the milky way is that big" when the simple truth is we don't know how big the universe is and it could in fact be infinite so trying to render scale is literally impossible.
In my faith science and all that is being discovered such as more and more about the universe was created by God. God created the rules by which it operates. We believe “God made” but will we ever really know how? I strongly doubt that. Don’t know how, doesn’t matter how. The point is “God created”. I’m an astronomy, astrophysics, quantum type person who reads a lot by experts in their fields. I don’t think you need to know the math. But how all this got here and how it just works is mind blowing to me. I question the Big Bang because where did all that is the universe come from if it was just some big bang. How did it all come to be to explode into the universe. A singularity? How did the singularity get there? I do have my own faith, but my dad always said “I look up at the night sky. That is my church”.
I have a deep space telescope. I marvel at how many galaxies I can see when the milky way is on the opposite side of my view. I also realize I am seeing less than one percent of the universe. It still makes my imagination run wild after years of observing.
When Andromeda collides with the Milky Way it's likely not going to affect Earth and solar system in a grand way. We're not going to be flung into outer space or smashed by Andromeda's stars and other debris. It will take a relatively very slow process, taking millions to billions of years. Same with Betelgeuse going supernova, despite NASA astronomers getting us all hyped to see it in our skies. It's not happening in our lifetimes. The timelines are incredible. On Earth we measure distance with distance measurements. In space, we measure distance with time. Makes you rethink the idea of time and travel.
I think the best photo yet that puts us in perspective with the universe is Pale Blue Dot which was taken by Voyager I in 1990. sKkPMxR-64...fa9119.jpg
In "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" forcing the knowledge of the size of the universe is an execution method
I loved the newer Star Wars/Star Trek/Space-themed Marvel movies. The idea that space can be so beautiful because of the various stars, planets, nebulae, etc, is out there.
That Napoleon wasn’t cartoonishly short. All those cartoons were a lie…
Next you’ll be telling me Hitler has more than one ball. And that the other is not in the Albert Hall.
Load More Replies...It's not even funny as a joke. Pretty lame. If he was short, so what? He wasn't short, so what?
It was based on a difference in units, if I remember correctly. In the British definition of feet and inches, his height was short, but in the French it was normal.
That is one explanation, the other is that he surrounded himself with exceptionally tall soldiers. It's the propaganda part that probably makes it stick
Load More Replies...One problem was that he was often seen and pictured standing with members of his Imperial Guard. To be in the Guard you had to be at least 6 feet tall.
And if I remember correctly, the unit used tall hats as part of the uniform, adding to the height, while Napoleon had a tricorne.
Load More Replies...British rule of India caused at least 10 famines yet we almost hear nothing about it
The issue is more complex than this. Famine occurred on the Indian subcontinent in the areas ruled by English interests AND in areas ruled by Indian princes. It was also the English who first studied how to prevent famine and came up with the Indian Famine Code guidelines that were modernised by the Indian government..
You think no-one before the English had thought "How do I stop this?"
Load More Replies...Kipling has been tarred with an understanding of "white man's burden" that is almost the exact opposite of what he meant. He did not mean that because of their self-imagined superiority, white men were obliged to share their blessings with those poor, primitive pagans. To the contrary, he saw the British rule over India as an abomination, but nonetheless one for which Britain had to assume responsibility. You might say his opinions were closer to "you broke it, you bought it."
“...for history is written by the victors and framed according to the prejudices and bias existing on their side.” - George Graham Vest, a Senator in the Confederacy.
I guess humans got so many famines that they forget to count. Edit: That we forget to count...
Read a bit about Churchill's exploits in India and south Africa and his views on the indigenous people (and the Boers in SA), then, if you voted for him as the greatest Englishman in history, have a rethink. He was a complete c**t.
Which "we" are you referring to? ........ I am thinking that folks don't read enough? Don't know their own country's history enough? IDK. Like one class on modern British history (the last 250 years) would be sufficient?
It broke me the first time I learned that the library of Alexandria burnt down, and the scholars at the time still were trying to decipher parchment from even older and more ancient civilizations. I heard that and instantly realized we don't deserve our own intelligence
Never really burned down at all. Just anti-Christian mythmaking constructed by Edward Gibbon, who claimed Christians rejoiced in watching it burn sometime in the 4th century AD. The fact is the library was in steep decline since Cleopatra's Dad (Ptolemy VIII), FIVE centuries earlier. Caesar burned it in 48 B.C., but not so much anyone dates that as its destruction or even sharp decline. The final destruction has been attributed to Muslim Caliph Omar in the 7th century (by Muslims), but this is probably an empty "boast" (if you could call it that). "Omar's rejection of pagan and Christian wisdom may have been devised and exploited by [fundamentalist] authorities as a moral exemplum for Muslims to follow in later, uncertain times, when the devotion of the faithful was once again tested by proximity to nonbelievers"
Load More Replies...We do, I see it as proof that even though there are barbarians in our species there are always intellectuals trying to learn and improve. It is however depressing when the barbarians win.
“ I heard that and instantly realized we don't deserve our own intelligence” yep those in power just love to hang onto their gaint egos and destroy things that could always increase humanity’s quality of life and so much more
you give Julius Caesar too much credit, this was an act of ignorance rather than a power grab, this military men didn't understand the value of what they burned.
Load More Replies...That thing burned down so many times we don't even know WHAT is missing.
It was basically emptied out before it burned, don't worry. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/atoy93/til_that_the_library_of_alexandria_was_never/ https://youtu.be/hYDYkQaxSFg
One of the parchments that was saved referenced a history book that was supposed to go back about 100,000 years
Bruh! the earliest form of writing I'd 5500 years old, and calling I writing is a stretch.
Load More Replies...And Alexandria was so jealous of Ephesus that they refused to share papyrus with them - which led to the use of hides which didn’t roll as well which led to binding flat pieces together = books!
That's what happens when you use naked *lames to light places.
That, during WW2, all the other countries did not help the Jews escape from Nazi Germany, but on the contrary, closed their borders! For instance, the St. Louis was denied at a number of ports, until they finally had to return to Denmark, which was under Nazi occupation. They COULD have let those Jews on board in, say, Cuba or Florida or wherever!
So did Cuba, and to a lesser degree Switzerland and Spain.
Load More Replies...this doesn't tell the whole story. For example the Cuban gov't did not deny entry to all the refugee ship passengers (there were 3 other ships besides St Louis). They admitted all those who had valid passports and a valid Cuban entry visa. Additionally, in 1940, the Cuban gov't changed their policy and eventually accepted over 12,000 Jewish refugees.
Valid passport. Valid Cuban entry Visa. Good luck with that if you were Jewish.
Load More Replies..."they finally had to return to Denmark" FALSE : " The British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain agreed to take 288 of the passengers, who disembarked and travelled to the UK via other steamers. After much negotiation by Schröder, the remaining 619 passengers were also allowed to disembark at Antwerp. 224 were accepted by France, 214 by Belgium, and 181 by the Netherlands. Based on the survival rates for Jews in various countries during the war and deportations, historians have estimated that 180 of the St. Louis refugees in France, 152 of those in Belgium and 60 of those in the Netherlands survived the Holocaust. "
An Indian King gave refuge to a massive group of Jewish children and women
So true. Aerial bombs destroyed streets and train tracks that were important supply chains for the germans. What they didn't destroy were the tracks to the concentration camps.
off course you dont bomb the railroads to the camps. that was also the way the camps (including prisoners ) got food etc.
Load More Replies...The racism against the Jews was a norm. Hitler could have been from any county in Europe and he would have had his weapon.
I just went to the Holocaust Museam in DC, where I learned while the US had much more room, they only let 30,000 Jewish Europeans into the country because of their prejudice on both Jewish people and immigrants in general. It's beyond upsetting
Completely untrue. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's website, which is located in Washington DC, "Though estimates vary, somewhere between 180,000 and 220,000 European refugees immigrated to the United States between 1933 and 1945. The United States accepted more refugees fleeing Nazi persecution than any other country in the world. Most of these refugees were Jewish and from central and western Europe." Edit to provide a link to page. https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/how-many-refugees-came-to-the-united-states-from-1933-1945
Load More Replies...And today, the right wing politicians want to criminalize helping african refugees that are stranded in the Mediterranean sea. They WANT the people to drown.
The right wing, and their idiot constituencies don't care about anyone not them. You know, just like their precious-@$$ jesus taught. Conservatism is a mental disorder somewhere between sociopathy and brain damage. Here in 'Murica they let people "drown" every damn day.
Load More Replies...In defense of the USA, we were trying very hard to do what we'd never do now: stay out of a war.
That when the pyramids were being built, mammoths were walking the earth. Woolly mammoths lived there until 1700 BC. The Great Pyramid was completed around 2560 BC.
"Lived there" don't you mean "here"? Gotcha, you scaly skinned lizard alien people!
There were mammoths as recently as 1700 BC but only in isolated areas (like the Aleutian Islands iirc).
If they had lived in places where humans could get to them, the McDonald's chain would have been founded much sooned.
Load More Replies...I had to Google this and it has officially broken my brain. Does anyone else struggle with contextualising history, particularly human history, as nonlinear? Like different civilisations existing at the same time period? Like how 18th century Europeans thought sub-Saharan Africans were ignorant tribes people, meanwhile those Europeans were cave people when the Egyptians were building a great empire in Africa?
As someone who grew up going to an evangelical church at least 2 times per week, Alan Turing's story is the one that made me re-examine what I thought I knew about homosexuality being immoral/unnatural/sin. I was probably 19 or 20 at the time. It's probably the most pivotal thing that led me to question more about my faith despite it being so vitally important to my parents.
I think the two things that convinced me religion wasn't real was original sin (ie: a baby wouldn't automatically get into heaven) and that dogs wouldn't be there either. I was pretty young at the time but it was like "you're saying this place is perfect", "Yes", "But my dog won't be there.", "No he doesn't have a soul". "Well I'm out".
As a Christian, if my cat isn't in heaven it's not gonna be heaven, that's what I always say 😅😆 As for religion itself...I just think many Christians have really awful opinions based on prejudice, and they use the Bible to "prove" their terrible opinions with out of context verses. I respect whatever people want to believe, but I will admit it makes me sad that people stop believing because of these terrible takes and religious trauma. I like my religion, so it makes me sad to know it's hurt so many people
Load More Replies...In the original Latin, the Bible does NOT say anything against homosexually. Rather than say "man shall not sleep with man" it actually says "man shall not sleep with boy" i.e. it is an instruction against paedophilia. (Given the church child abuse scandals, how ironic is this!)
Please don't think that hypocrisy is restricted to the Jewish religion. Perhaps the most obvious examples today are: a. Confusing antisemitism with criticism of the government of Israel (who should be ashamed of treating the Palestinians in a very similar to how Jews were treated by the Germans in WW2. b. The right-wing so-called Christian communities in the USA who demonstrate little (if any) conformity to the love-thy-neighbour turn-the-other-cheek preaching of Jesus that seems to me to be the fundamental creed of Christianity. c. Islamic extremists (who like most extremists are in a minority - so please don't believe that their beliefs are the same as the majority of Muslims) who pervert the teachings of the Koran to wage a religious war or Fatwa. My point? Respect those people who genuinely follow their religious teachings, and robustly criticise those who pay lip service in order to justify their abhorrent behaviours.
Load More Replies...As a person who was always gay, I've lived this. I was raised Catholic till I was 10 when my parents divorced and had to find new churches because you can't be Catholic and divorced. They taste tested Pentecostal, Anglican, Presbyterian, Baptist (Father stuck with them), and Victory/Prosperity Gospel Church (Mom went with them). While I was Catholic church was just a boring hour on Sunday. Then when forced to attend evangelical services I truly learned what white Christian hate was. Man did those people torture the s**t out of me. Luckily my mom could only afford to send me to a standard indoctrination camp (I was denied food for not participating in prayer and Quaking). She always wanted to send me to a Pray Away the Gay camp but couldn't afford it. One time people gave her enough money and she was giddy with glee and showed me the cash that would be used to further enable my torture. In self-defense I broke into her room, stole the money, and burned it. She called the cops
What a terrifying, cruel, INHUMAN treatment you faced as a child. I'm so sorry. I will never understand how people can rationalise treating other people with such hateful controlling methods, because the magic guy in the sky says they have to. No shade on those with faith who DON'T presume to know better than everyone else what is right and wrong. If you're not hurting anyone, believe what you want. I just don't understand, personally.
Load More Replies...this man helped win world war 2 by coming up with ways to decrypt enemy communications what they did to him was terrible man was a hero
It was the Jesus conception that did it for me. I grew up in an area with high rates of teen pregnancy when it was still shameful to be an unmarried mother. 'The angel gave me God's baby' yeah right, Mary
Faith is still very important to me, and while I am straight myself, most of my friends, half of which are Christians themselves, are in the LGBTQ+ community. I respect them so much, especially since all they want to do is love who they love. What I find baffling is that even though homosexuality is rarely mentioned in the Bible (if at all) especially compared to other things, some Christians are /obsessed/ with it. They just want to be right, and they want to convince people something that makes them uncomfortable is wrong. It's all stupid. We're supposed to act like Jesus. And yet so many Christians only want to hate and judge. It's why so many people hate a religion that at it's core should be focused on love, compassion, and understanding. People hate Christianity because the stereotype of Christians (and rightfully so) is so terrible. Anyways, for all you guys in the community, stay strong, stay proud, and if you believe in God, know He loves you and created you to be exactly who
This is lovely. You're right, its how religion SHOULD be!
Load More Replies...I'm sitting here reading these with my newborn 3rd daughter sleeping on my chest. That anyone would tell me she somehow has 'sin' enrages me and totally discredits Christian religion.
More of a fun one, but lighters predate strike matches by a couple centuries. They originated from repurposed flintlock pistols that ignited tinder shoved in the barrel that were set aflame by the trigger mechanism.
That actually makes a lot of sense… kinda sad that we have more advancements from weapons than other useful items.
An unfortunate fact. War produces more transferable innovations than peace does.
Load More Replies...Well, sure, matches were created to be simpler to carry and use (no refilling) than lighters.
I always grew up thinking that something like 50-75% of all white Americans owned slaves during the 1700s/1800s, my mind was kind of blown when I learned that it was closer to 1-3% of Americans. edit: for context since this comment has received some upvotes.. 25% of white families in the south likely owned a slave. In a few southern states (Mississippi for example) that number is closer to 45-50%. However, I was speaking about all Americans and not just those in the south. It's possible if not likely that the overall number of whites in America owning slaves were closer to 5-10% rather than 1-3%, however my point stands that I always assumed it was closer to 50-75%.
Think about it. The majority of white immigrants arrived in the US during the 19th century. Most white Americans are only 3-5 generations away from being immigrants, whereas black Americans' families had been there at least double or triple that time.
Native Americans owned slaves as well. And something I learned a few years ago is that there were cases where freed Blacks would sometimes be in such a position where they could purchase their own family members - it was a way, in part, to keep the family unit together and not have everyone split up and sent to different plantations.
Load More Replies...Don't forget a lot of slaves were actually white - a lot of Irish and British criminals were sent to the colonies to work as slaves / indentured labour ; they cost much less than an African slave.
RICH white Americans owned slaves. Poor people couldn't afford them. That's why so few white Americans owned slaves (but, they owned A LOT of them).
Here's another thing for you: Slavery was devastating to the economy. The real reason Lincoln didn't want to go to war over slavery wasn't because he was OK with it, but because he thought it was so dysfunctional, it was about to die out. The notion that the Civil War was over "State's rights" is absolute trash, bizarre case where northeastern elites who hate liberty are colluding with southern apologists trying to create a just cause. The South wanted to compel the North to do their dirty work (Fugitive Slave Act), and to force most new territories to adopt slavery so they could export their slaves. (WAIT WHAT? The South wanted to export their slaves??? Yea, they were convinced they faced the "vengeance of a just God" through the actions of the slaves; that Blacks, once freed, would slaughter them all.)
I recently learned that many slave owners were actually black!! Mind blown!! https://www.havefunwithhistory.com/black-slave-owners/
I doubt that the ambiguous word "many" is the right one to use here. The more revealing question is: What percent of slave owners were black? The answer is a tiny, tiny amount - an amount that does not deserve the description of "many".
Load More Replies...In 1860 the total U.S. population was about 31.4 million, including more than 3.9 million slaves. That left about 27.5 million free people in the U.S., according to 1860 data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The U.S. had 395,216 slaveholders at that time, so about 1.4% of free people were classified as slave owners in the 1860 census.
Only because most white people couldn’t afford slaves. Many more supported slavery but just couldn’t afford some of their own. That’s why so many people fought on the side of the Confederacy.
Slaves were expensive. They cost as much as a horse, or a new car, my professor used to elucidate. Some were stolen or kidnapped, and if they escaped, there were people who made money catching them. Lots and lots of people profitted from human trafficking.
I saw this in a WWI documentary. It's not so much a "historical fact" as much as "holy s**t I never thought about that" We are taught that during the Great War, the allies were the good guys and the central powers were the bad guys. There were no good guys. Both sides used chemical warfare, both sides experimented with new tactics, both sides tortured and killed each other.
WW1 was basically a family squabble between European royal families. Except instead of throwing plates or slamming doors, they sent millions of poor people to their deaths
We read some of the 'W***y and Nicky' letters in one of my high school classes, and it made the human cost real in ways that are hard to grasp when you're talking about hundreds of thousands of anonymous deaths. They were people who cared about each other and didn't want to fight, and saw what was coming but did not know what else to do. (Edit: Really, BP? We're censoring *that?*)
I pasted this in browser and it took me to what you are referring to :-). 'W***y and Nicky' letters
Load More Replies...I learned that the “allies” was WWII: WWI was the “entente.” If you’re aware of their equivalent of the destruction of the library at Louvain, shooting Belgian hostages, or the Armenian Genocide, it would be news to me.
Kurgun, Baralong Incident and poison gas come to mind, though poison gas was used by everyone and their dog back then.
Load More Replies...And the really f’d up thing was when they stopped fighting on Christmas Day. They celebrated with each other, shared what food they had. They have film of it. They were actually having a good time. But, oh the next day. It’s back to trying to kill the guys you partied with yesterday. Sick.
One good thing to come out of WW1 was that army chaplains finally got to meet men who were not church goers. When the church endorsed the war, many churches were vandalised in protest - hence why the head honchos sent their junior staff as chaplains. While doing this the chaplains became aware of the terrible social problems endured by the conscripts and volunteers (not to mention how these people were sacrificed in their 1000s for rich people’s benefit) and returned from the war asking why the church was ignoring these people. The Bishops were concerned that the wartime experience had turned them or clergy into communists but it caused a sea change in the focus of the church on to those in need - rather than making the churchgoing middle classes feel pious on a Sunday.
One that suprised me, the fact that the Geneva convention was written is due in a large part to the actions of the Canadians during WW1 with POW's.
WWI wasn’t a battle of good vs evil or evil vs good. It was just allied powers vs central powers. WWII was different in that one side was the aggressor who committed horrific crimes against humanity, and the other side was simply defending themselves.
The birth of the Australian national identity was on the shores of Gallipoli. It took me years to realize that we were the bad guys and were invading someone's country. Kemil Atäturk was the hero.
Don't forget all the rich people sent their sons to command peasants and sent them to their deaths, then the rich sons mostly came back and got medals, while millions of poor people were slaughtered so rich people could keep riching
That’s a myth. Actually, the upper classes had a higher death rate than the lower classes in ww1. 12% of enlisted men vs 17% of officers were killed. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two.
Load More Replies...That I'd been living in the same society with all of those people who hatefully protested racial segregation in the 60s. They just went into hiding when it became socially unacceptable to wear your bigotry loud and proud. I no longer wonder what makes such a person as I get to watch the actual people announce their bigotry loud and proud today. Ignorance was bliss.
As a white male growing up in the south I always wondered why if the klan was so proud of what they represented why did they hide behind the hoods? Show your faces, you cowards!
When I was young, I wondered why they wore those pointed hoods. Later I realized that it wasn't the hoods that were pointed.
Load More Replies...In the UK. I worked with a Turkish guy. In 2016 he said "Brexit gave them the permission to be racist again. People changed from being ashamed of racism, to being allowed to say those things again. In 6 months it all changed, now I get the names, and the insults again, after 20 years here, it has started again."
Just like the ride of Trump in 2016 brought all the nasty people out of the woodworks in America.
Load More Replies...Trump made all the white supremacists feel it was okay to come out of the shadows because HE thinks just like they do.
Dear friend was called a "good black" just last week. She was devastated. He was kicked out.
Please don't think the states (actually some) can't revisit the laws and social attitudes of the 1950s Jim Crow mindset. Observe how many of our politicians are pushing and passing more setbacks for their citizens. Gerrymandering, banning of a lot of America's history, healthcare challeges and etc. will have us on the fast track to more open bigotry, hatred and a general sense of hopelessness for more than half our the U.S.'s people. Yes, there is still Klan members and Nazi salute folks out there but it's the elected politicians you really need to challenge.
I was there too. White people believed in the status quo of the time, and viscerally opposed anyone who sought to upset it. Just-world fallacy made them think Black people somehow deserved their condition. But I’m here now too, and today people still cling to our current status quo, and believe that others’ oppression is somehow deserved.
I went on a tour of Gettysburg only two days ago. Our tour guide reminded me that east of the Mississippi, the Civil War has never truly ended. It really opened my eyes as someone native to the west coast. And it makes sense...he also said he's toured people around who to this day wish the south won. It's an eye-opener
Go visit DC and hear an official government tour guide refusing to call the Civil War by its proper name because (tee-hee -they giggle while amusing themselves) it was "anything but civil." I was 6 and knew that was wrong.
Load More Replies...As a kid, I thought everyone thought the JFK and MLK assassinations were a terrible thing, nope, there were plenty of Americans who thought they deserved it. Even the victims of the Kent State massacre, some who were just bystanders and not protesting, had their parents receive hate mail about how the deserved it.
Hearing my mom talk about attending university of Chicago in the late 60s and calling home to Cleveland freaked out by the Kent State travasy only to hang up on her mother ("those kids 'deserved' it!" she said) has been eye opening. If you get the chance, look up some of the docs on the lead up to Kent. The divide then was parent v child. The events of Kent State almost happened elsewhere
Load More Replies...Willing to see Japanese folks to share what they learnt about the relationship between Korea. From what Japanese were taught in school, they “industrialized” Korea when they actually colonized and tortured millions of Koreans.
Japan tried to destroy Korean culture during the occupation by forcing Koreans to speak Japanese
They are also taught in school that they "Liberated" the Chinese people and that the US "overreacted" to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
when the koreans were freed by the americans, they made the japanese people send back all the koreans they stole. the japanese put all the koreans on that boat, and when it was in deep water, torpedoed the entire thing. lucky my great grandfather was born by then bc my great great grandfather was killed
History copy and paste using Google translate. Humans are s****y in every language and culture. It’s like “oh you guys did that too, huh?”
You should see first time visitors from Japan show up at the USS Arizona memorial. They have an entirely different view of their country's participation in WW2.
From what I've seen, the Japanese like to blame the Koreans for any missing citizens. So and so 'must' have been kidnapped, they disappeared and 'those' Koreans must have taken them! Not to mention the ugly "comfort women" thing fron WWII occupation of Korea by Japan
That the Middle East was once then center of knowledge and learning, particularly Bagdad. As well as the amazing extent and advanced civilizations in South and Central America prior to the 1500s.
They were called that but not created there. India i believe
Load More Replies...If anything, I thought the whole of our ancient history focuses on the Middle East!
This area, after all, is referred to as "the Cradle of Civilization".
The Meso-American and Andean cultures were advanced in astronomy and time/calendar knowledge, but the superstitions that also saw them slaughter thousands with obsidian knives counters their "advanced" status. Of course, the same could be said of the insane European "witch hunts" and tortures of the Inquisition.
Mesopotamia was the center of what we now call the birth of civilization.
Just look at Mosques from Before the Roman Times or even during. Beautiful Interiors and Architecture! No Self Agrandising Sculptures anywhere!
Ruined in an interesting, not bad way: ancient Greek and Roman polychromy. The Parthenon temple looked a bit like Disneyland.
Thank you! Some people use big/unusual words to sound clever.
Load More Replies...This is one I learned in the last few years. It's hard to imagine all the marble statues being brightly painted since we're so used to them looking like, well, marble.
To be fair, the colors probably weren't as garish as they've been depicted. A good artist will start with a base coat & then apply other layers/colors on top to give it depth & hue. Sure, the flakes sticking to the marble might be eye-searing, but who knows what went on top of it to tone it down?
With the buildings, they wanted the temples and such to catch the eye, and bring potential worshippers and money. They *had* to be bright, especially along the top, to lure the curious closer.
Load More Replies...Colorful doesn’t mean disneyland. Please don’t mix up classic art made with the best marbles by the best sculptors and s****y sub culture made of cheap fake materials.
Dude, Disney hires extremely talented people. There is a guy that hand carved the wooden signs for some rides. They are HUGE on safety, so even if that wall looks like it's going to crumble, that's because designers wanted it to look that way. Again, I can't speak for materials sourced but there are extremely talented artists at Disney parks. Don't be a snob dude. The talent is the artist, not the medium.
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Being raised in all catholic schools it was really surprising to me to learn that a lot of sections in the bible and a lot of religious practices were instated by people who basically decided so and justified it with ideas that were hammered to fit whatever they said
Like it wasn't always that priests had to be celibate. Some pope decided that they should be and that was that but really all it would take to reverse that is a pope to say otherwise and a bunch of cardinals to support it. And it doesn't really matter what religious texts say, since the chuirch basically controls the "official interpretation", they can say whetever they want
edit: to the based redpilled people out there being all "oMg dId YOu ThINk rElIgionS aRe ReAL", yeah no, the surprising part was to learn how easily the church can change any aspect of their dogma when they actually manage to agree on it. And if their own texts refute said change, they can just say "oh we looked at it again and it actually means we are right now"
Thus Martin Luther's rebellion, and the Protestant Movement...which really changed nothing, because most people still rely on other people to tell them what the Bible says and what it all means. But at least it is no longer illegal or heretical to translate it into any language, and to read it for one's self, if one is so inclined.
Like I said before - what started as way to make people live a harmonious life was manipulated by such bastards
Load More Replies...FYI: there is no Christianity in the Bible. Jesus did not establish a religion separate from Judaism.
There IS Christianity in the Bible, but it's post-Christ, i.e. in St Paul's epistles. (Friedrich Nietzsche and others have pinpointed this as the moment the whole Christian project went right off the rails)
Load More Replies...Celibacy was enacted so that priests couldn't pass on property to their families. All the wealth had to stay with the church
It wasn't just the celibacy. They sold the wives and suddenly illegitimate children as prostitutes and slaves.
Load More Replies...The first clue should have been the man in the sky 😂 Then probably the 7 day heaven and earth thing, and if you were still waivering, Adam from mud, eve from ribs and talking snakes 😂🤷🏼♂️
Every religion is like this. And I grew up Mormon. Catholics and Mormons are the worst for this kind of behaviour!
My grandfather's family belonged to a free church known as Catholic Diocese of the Old Catholics in Germany. This free church broke away from the mother church after some factions disagreed with a Vatican council in 1870. They disapproved of celibacy and papal infallibility. Today the religion is a mix of Catholic and Protestant traditions. Even though they are nominally Catholic, they don't acknowledge the Pope's authority. Women can become priests. They don't use confessional booths or incense. They don't idolize statues. They don't believe in Catholic magic such as the immaculate conception or transsubstantiation. I don't go to church anyway, but I always thought that if I went more often, it would make sense to convert.
That's probably the reason they didn't want people to have the Bible in any other language than Latin
Yep, one reason. If you have sole access to the Magic Book then it says whatever you want it to. The other reason is job protection - if the proles can read the Magic Book for themselves, what do they need the priestly caste for?
Load More Replies...Not necessarily a historical fact but more of a fact of history; out of everything we know, there is so much more we don't know and simply never will know. Even worse, the a lot of the things we believe we know are from commonly accepted theories that are held onto by elitist, ageing historians which only become refuted and debunked as they literally die off. The field of history as much as history itself is so ridiculously fascinating.
This is why I think Heaven has a giant library. So we can learn what we missed, if we want to. Hear that, God? Books! I want books in Heaven.
Even worse the longer it goes the harder it becomes to actually get an accurate picture. If people are alive the older they get the less you can rely on their memories, and their memories are biased in the first place. So you need to contrast those with other peoples reports. And once you get to a certain point you can't rely on written records. So much of ancient history seems to be "best guess".
This, so much this. It truly pains me to think about all the knowledge we've lost, the advancements we could have all benefited from, all the rich cultures that have been snuffed out, the written words that have disintegrated, the languages lost, the music we'll never be able to hear, and even the dishes we'll never get to taste. So much of human history is just... GONE. And for some things, even though evidence exists, it's considered 'inconvenient' and is simply swept under the rug because it doesn't conform to traditional historical dogma. If something else is brought up, the traditionalists don't argue against the actual evidence or theories... no, they jump straight to personal attacks. We should be told about what history is THEORETICAL, instead of teaching everything as FACT.
And that's what I always think about. I trust science, especially science related to modern life, that's indisputable. But I think theories about creation, about distant evolution, despite a /ton/ of scientific evidence to prove a theory, we will never know. Because there is simply no way of knowing. To say evolution isn't real is insane, and I say that as Christian. Knowing humankind has gotten taller over centuries, for example, so obviously proves that evolution does in fact exist. But do I personally believe we evolved from one species to another? No. I respect anyone that does, but some history is just so far in the past that there will always be gaps in the evidence, no matter how good the evidence is.
Even on an anecdotal level. I study the history of sidesaddle, and the amout of bs that was and still is written on this subject is astounding. When you see historians twist the truth to fit their own narrative on such a mundane subject, makes you start doubting everything you read elsewhere on more important matters.
My favorite: every large room in a structure--think Egyptian or Mayan/Aztec/etc.--non-Christian religions particularly--has to be a storeroom because the builders, not being Christian, weren't advanced enough for anything else. Evidently, neither are historians!
Load More Replies..."Elitist, ageing..." People need to learn to express their opinions without being nasty to anyone else. My history professor in college was 70 if he was a day, and he discussed all aspects of his field.
Most historians are. And usually, for reasons unknown, deeply into their religion and having a deep need to twist any unusual facts to fit their particular sect. I think the ageing part comes because it takes so long to get a reputation in your field, and writing and publishing monographs, papers and articles takes time.
Load More Replies...The real reason chainsaws were invented. F**k that.
Mortality rates for women during child birth is on the rise in the US.
Load More Replies...'F**k that'? The instruments were invented because there was a need for them, because without them mother or child or both might die during the childbirth process. They weren't invented solely to satisfy some sadistic whim.
The chainsaw had nothing to do with saving the mothers life, it was used after she died or when she was nearly dead. At that point it was about attempting to save a baby who would probably also die without it.
Load More Replies...Had to google it, because it sounded so outrageous. https://allthatsinteresting.com/why-were-chainsaws-invented
The aliens probably don't visit us out of fear. T...They are literally sawed from their mother's womb...then a few months later if she survives SHE DOES IT AGAIN!? AND HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR HISTORY BOOKS? If we give them portals they will turn it into a planet killer in a few months...
Not really ruined, but have you read Ben Franklin's diaries and s**t? Dude was a dirty horn dog.
Bed Franklin had an estimated 60 children out of wedlock. I think Franklin was the real Father of our Country.
An internet Fact Check website claims that is a myth.
Load More Replies...the interesting part of knowing about ben franklin is that he, at a time when such behaviors were not accepted, was unapologetic in his actions. some of the stuff he wrote makes me wonder about the things he didn't put down for posterity. and, his actions were not so different from some of the other 'great men' from history. he just didn't give a rat's a*s as to who knew about his predilections.
Nothing wrong with that as long as he didn’t hurt anyone. Which I hope he didn’t? Do I want to know…
He was a colorful character to say the least but his personality and willingness to play the political games with French aristocracy helped us in getting help from the French to secure our independence.
If you want to learn a language, get yourself a sleeping dictionary. B.F.
That Cleopatra is closer in time to us than the construction of the pyramids.
It would be an interesting debate to compare her history to immigrant families today who have been in a country for several ganerations and to still call them by the country of origin of their ancestors.
Load More Replies...Yes. I believe the one we know about more was the 17th?
Load More Replies...That African Americans were "bred" once the slave trade was banned. I was so sad once I learned that. Those poor people. I cry sometimes when I think of that. No wonder there is so much hate.
There is a reputedly haunted plantation house where they still have the "breeding" records. Supposedly, one male slave had been used at stud for several hundred children
I’m gonna throw up. One of the best documentary series on the slave trade was a Canadian documentary done by the CBC. It’s called “Enslaved”. If you can find it somewhere so you can watch it, it’s a series. Samuel L. Jackson was one of the hosts. They actually travelled to all these places they were talking about. Eye opening. Horrific. Heartbreaking. The artifacts they recovered from shipwrecks full of slaves were iron manicles for little children. Speechless. Desantis can go F himself. This stuff needs to get out there. Yes it’s a shameful horrible history that’s hard to face. But face it we must. Learn from it and do everything we can to change things. That’s the point of learning about it.
Load More Replies...What's really disturbing is that despite this history there are around 40.3 million people enslaved today, including children who suffer generational enslavement, where their parents debt is passed to the next generation to be worked off in servitude. They just aren't as visible, but they are there.
The principal reason the South agreed to the end of the slave trade was that it stopped competing products from entering the American market. Therefore the slaves they bred in American became more valuable.
At the time of the civil was Maryland's major export was slaves and since it did not leave the union its slaves were not freed till sometime after. Juneteenth is not when the last of the slaves were read told they were free, just the last of the confederacy's slaves
And masters, master's sons, overseers, and other whites contributed to the breeding by impregnating every female of childbearing ability, regardless of age, then kept their own children enslaved or sold them. Not all, but an awful lot. I think Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr. remarked on his Finding Your Roots program that all blacks whose families have been here since the pre Civil War days have some white blood.
95 percent of our species' history is lost forever.
Judging by much of the examples above, that may not be an altogether bad thing.
Yea - sad that ancient knowledge was also lost along with history - works done by ancient cilvizations if replicated would still give a major boost to society today
Load More Replies...I think it is WAY more than that, imagine all the daily lives of all those people from all those times and civilization. I mean we don't register 95 of all that happens to us and we live to share information these days. Think about cleaning, tell me about the British house cleaning habits, how obscure is that? Now tell me about the cleaning habits of the ancient Greece. We are lucky to find a few vague mentions about a few things, that are definitely important.
Just did some calculations; it's more like 99.99%. Most of human history has been lost. We know so, so very little about our own human history.
Load More Replies...Modern humans have been around for something like 300,000 years (and really, who's to say humans didn't have culture and history even before then?). Written language didn't appear until around maybe 5,500 years ago (that we know of). It's really more like 99.99%, since even things from the last 5,500 years have still been lost.
Load More Replies...true, I posted this elsewhere but it's appropriate here too. Written human records only go back to about 3400 BC. But the earliest known city existed from approximately 7400 BC to 5200 BC. The earliest known building is a temple in Southeastern Turkey and has been dated back to between 9500 - 8000 BC. Homo Sapiens appeared on the scene about 200,000 years ago. Entire civilizations have risen and fallen in human history that we know absolutely nothing about, or that they even existed.
Yes, but all that time we were just walking around looking for something to eat.
I was raised as a Christian (C of E, UK) and was a fairly gullible child. I *loved* so many of the Bible stories - especially Moses being delivered the 10 commandments direct from God. Now, I know this makes no sense but hear me out - I assumed that the Bible had arrived this way too. I believed the book was delivered by God as a miracle. When I learned that humans had not only written the books but also chosen what books were to be included (excluding 20 or so Gospels) my world collapsed. I was about 13 at the time but that was it. The entire foundation collapsed in an instant and my belief followed.
You weren’t gullible you were a child educated by adults who had n either never questioned, or suppressed their own doubts. Don’t be too hard on them, they were bent up in a similar way
I think there's more to it than this. My parents were raised as Christians, as were their parents before them, and I'd guess my family tree has more back through the generations. But despite the influences of my parents, grandparents, church ministers, etc., I've always found religion (creationist or not) to be confusing, hypocritical, and even harmful. So if my education was pro-religion, why am I steadfastly against it?
Load More Replies...I reneged on our religion when I was about 12. A very unpleasant teacher who taught us scripture insisted that animals had no souls and didn't go to heaven. I grew up with pets and knew they had feelings and felt love and sorrow and that was the end for me. Miss Carter, about 66 years later I remember you amongst those humans I will never forget, for the wrong reasons. Learning the truth about the modern bible was just an anticlimax.
I went to catholic school but I was the total opposite and that annoying kid that couldn't accept these bible stories and "Lorna let it go!!" I was (and still am) a sceptical kid and would pick everything apart, and when I thought something was b******t I wasn't shy about saying so - my teacher hated me
I went to Catholic school and I always absorbed and accepted everything that they told us, my teachers loved me because I was such a good student. Now I’m skeptical about most religions and I see how ridiculous the stories sound. It’s funny how things turn out sometimes.
Load More Replies...Today's technology can produce a burning bush that does not consume itself simply by projecting a holographic fire onto a physical bush. The bush appears to be on fire but it's just a hologram.
How about this, that people are so desperate for there to be something greater that we make up things like burning bushes to show how amazing god is. Wouldn't it be more impressive if said god just showed up and said, hey, itsa me, god? If god really wanted you to do something, why the big mystery? Some all powerful being that can't even use his words like a big boy? .... Come on
Load More Replies...The top spire of Empire State Building was designed for docking blimps
During construction in October 1930; the USS Los Angeles, ZMC-2 and a J-class blimp seen overhead Zeppelin_b...a9a615.jpg
They actually put it there so they could say it was higher than the Chrysler building,the image with the blimp was photoshopped by a paid man as proof
No it wasn't. It was designed so Dalek Sec could become a Dalek-human hybrid.
that the beach boys made up kokomo and that it is not a tropical caribbean island
I was told once that all the places mentioned in the song were because they had a very young (or no) age of consent and that the song was basically about an old guy talking to a very underage girl and telling her "lets go to these places where I can get you drunk and (legally) do you, you incredibly young girl". I am hoping it was BS because they had also said it was why the particular member(s) involved in writing it were not allowed to write songs for the group again because the lead singer/songwriter was so horrified they had done that. I really enjoyed the song until then and just cannot face doing a check on if they were BSing or telling the truth
Kokomo is less that an hour north of Indianapolis. The Beach Boys played in Indy many times. They almost certainly saw lots of highway signs there with the name "Kokomo" on them.
Well, TIL. The other places mentioned in the lyrics are real so I just assumed Kokomo was. Funny to picture them straining to think of another rhyming place while writing the song and then finally just saying screw it and tossing some letters together. it's not like anyone had internet and cell phones back then to do a quick check.
Apparently it's also a place in Hawaii? Although the song is not about that.
Aruba, Jamaica, ooh, I wanna take you to Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama Key Largo, Montego Baby, why don't we go?
People are stupid…historically
It might interest you to know that after a period of increased average intelligence due to better life conditions, average intelligence in America has stopped increasing and has plateaued and lowered in the last 50 years. Researchers don't know why. Yet.
Ues I come from a long line of stupid people if you're lucky than so are you!
in ancient Rome, they once had a horse as a senator... **neighs**
here in america we have cats, dogs, bears, and even seals for mayors.
We do the same thing in the US. But at least the Romans elected both ends of the horse.
Whereas here in the U.S. we only have the horses' asses in our Senate.
That up until the 1980s newborn babies used to get operated on without anaesthesia because it was believed they couldn't feel pain.
Edit: spelling fix
Edit 2: you experts can calm your tits now. I may not be a doctor, but that doesn't make the history of it any less disturbing...
Yes I just read that it wasn’t because they didn’t think babies could feel pain, but because they didn’t have the ability to safely anaesthetise them (iirc).
Load More Replies...Not true on that believing part. Unfortunately true with no anesthesia part, but because they hadn't developed non-lethal anesthetics for babies 😞
unbelievable because it's not true. As noted above, they knew babies could feel pain but they didn’t have the ability to safely anesthetize them.
Load More Replies...Learning about the link between leaded gasoline and violent crime made me question free will.
Very much so. The correlation isn’t conclusive but it’s pretty persuasive all the same.
Load More Replies...1. At one point in time, multiple different species of Homo Sapiens existed and were all probably killed off by Homo Sapien Sapien, i.e. us. 2. Most mammal species went for a couple millions of years before their extinction, which means we're basically at the starting quarter of Human Species and not the finale. 3. Most current dictatorships and brutal regimes in the world were aided or created by the Americans in some way who just threw money and weapons at third world countries and watched them be burned down as they suck out the resources that country had. 4. Most post-WW2 Independance Struggles of colonies succeeded not because of their tenacity, but due to Europe being driven into a depression after back to back wars. 5. Most historical figures are a******s whose assholery was never documented.
On #1. If you do a DNA test, you will probably see that the other species were in fact not killed off. They lost their distinct identities via interbreeding. Many of us still have a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA in us, and other strains as well. These show up on these tests.
Exactly. They are discovering archaic strains in our DNA that they can't even identify. Seems like we made love not war.
Load More Replies...Point 3 is oversimplifying too. Not denying that dictators and regimes were supported but it's not just about plundering resources. I think a pretty common reason is to create a buffer to another expansionist power, usually Russia or China. So strategic reasons rather than economic.
We really just have no way of knowing if homo sapiens killed off the other species of 'human'. It's just as likely that we out-competed them for resources and technology, rather than outright man slaughter. Plus, we were all f*****g each other. Sounds like we got along at least a little bit.
With regard to #2, I don't realistically see humans lasting a couple million years. We're likely closer to our finale than we think.
That Paul Revere did NOT do the midnight ride. He was captured. It was another dude altogether, but his name wasn’t as poetic, I guess.
Sybil Ludington was a 16 year old girl who actually made a "midnight ride" to warn of the British arrival rode all night until collapsed from exhaustion.
Revere family owned a copper smithy. Reverewear is still the best brand of copper bottom pots and pans!!
Hitler isnt even in the top 3 of mass killers
The main horror, besides the obviousness of the deaths, of Nazi Germany compared to, say, Ghengis Khan, is the cold, literally calculating, meticulous record-keeping, scientific approach to mass murder. They were the first to employ time-management efficiency studies to carrying out genocide. And perhaps the only allegedly cultured people from the nation of Bach and Goethe to save the hair, shoes, eyeglasses, and gold fillings ripped from victims' teeth. All this in the 1930s and 1940s, not the 1540s or 1340s, makes Hitler and company serious contenders for "worst."
i'm not gonna take the time to research rn but i assume ghengis khan and stuff.
Load More Replies...Sporus A young slave boy Nero had castrated and then married
Nanking.
The Nanjing Massacre (simplified Chinese: 南京大屠杀; traditional Chinese: 南京大屠殺; pinyin: Nánjīng Dàtúshā, Japanese: 南京大虐殺, romanized: Nankin Daigyakusatsu) or the Rape of Nanjing (formerly romanized as Nanking[note 2]) was the mass murder of Chinese civilians in Nanjing, the capital of the Republic of China, immediately after the Battle of Nanking in the Second Sino-Japanese War, by the Imperial Japanese Army.[2][3][4][5] Beginning on December 13, 1937, the massacre lasted six weeks. The perpetrators also committed other war crimes such as mass rape, looting, and arson.[note 1]
Photos of it were found very recently, providing undeniable proof and were turned over to the Chinese government
Load More Replies...Drilling down in to the history of armed conflict, there are no good guys.
Option A: posters hasn’t done the deep drill as claimed, is just playing the worldly cynic. Option B: poster sees Zelensky and Putin as two sides to the same coin.
Don't read what the author didn't write. The post is a generalism and you are complaining about one specific case. And that's not even addressing whether their claim is accurate (which you haven't done either).
Load More Replies...The Ukrainian war totally contradicts this statement. You have good guys fighting to keep their country free, while a real psychopath in Russia is killing them because he's a psychopath.
yup, churchill and hitler really weren't that different. They both believed in a master race and eugenics. they both believed our races shouldn't mix. churchill is only looked up to becuse of ww2. if he wasn't prime minister he would be one of the people we are taught were bastards. read up on churchill if you dont believe me. all the information is available and maybe start with his public statements from the earlier 1900s.
that guillotines weren't to sharp (and even less sharp after some use) . several attempts were needed to decapitate a person, in a horribly and painfully way.
So from the beheading to the cinema watching Star Wars.
Load More Replies...The use of beheading machines in Europe long predates such use during the French Revolution in 1792.
The Halifax Gibbet : the first recorded execution in Halifax dates from 1280
the Maiden : (SCOTLAND) The first execution on record was that of Thomas Scott of Cambusmichael, on 3 April 1565. these two machineries are never mentioned and I wonder why ? LOL . PIC : the Maiden the-Maiden...2b728f.jpg
I think if I had to be executed, though, the guillotine would be my preferred way. The thing was designed to be humane. Unlike hanging or quartering or burning or drowning or electrocution, or even modern day or euthanasia. Just pop off my head.
Mary, Queen of Scots : Mary was not beheaded with a single strike. The first blow missed her neck and struck the back of her head. The second blow severed the neck, except for a small bit of sinew, which the executioner cut through using the axe. Afterwards, he held her head aloft and declared "God save the Queen."
Good men do not become rulers that history remembers.
There's that comment about 'push this button and win $1m. But someone else dies. And billionaires push that button every day' this is what kings and most rulers did too. They're almost all sociopaths. The greatest 'heros' of history were probably all monsters. Everyone of them.
Every one of us will be a monster at some point in our lives, many of us may never even know that we've been and done it. Goes back to the victors writing history. Everything is perspective. You have absolutely shattered people in your daily quest that is this life. The struggle is just trying to do more good things than harmful ones.
Load More Replies...Reminds me of that quote that’s something like “well-behaved women seldom make history.”
The moral of the story is: never give anyone absolute power because it corrupts absolutely.
The Caspian Sea has a second coastline deep underwater. It was a freshwater lake originally before it was flooded by the Mediterranean Sea. That appears to be the origin story for Noah’s flood. That was the beginning of the end of Christianity for me. Edit: I’m told it’s the Black Sea, not the Caspian.
There is a terrific book on this topic, written by a couple of geologists. Noah's Flood by Ryan and Pitman.
Btw, I don't know why this scientific info would have any bearing on someone's faith. I am a person who believes that religion and science are compatible.
Load More Replies...Learnt that in geography lessons along with continental drift. Nothing lIke actual scientific fact for erasing religion out of you.
How Gravrilo Princeps just happened to run into the Archduke after his groups previous failed assassination attempt makes me think he was a time traveler. https://www.thecollector.com/gavrilo-princip-ww1/
More like he was the Mr Bean of assassins. Stumbling and bumbling into a world changing event.
That Akbar was a ruthless king. He probably became wiser as he grew old. But in his early age he was neither liberal nor secular.
I mean,he never got any formal education and became the emperor at 13, so the only instructions he probably ever received were ' be the most violent you can with those who won't listen to you.'.
Yep - all major historical figures seen as amazing or “good” people is false - each person were both “bad” and “good” . I really wish we stop the glorification of them and just see the *complete* picture
Load More Replies...The Colonel died years before I was born, which means the guy in the suit at KFC I met when I was a kid wasn't the real Colonel.
Wait until you hear about how the honey packets have been changed to honey flavored corn syrup.
The real colonel killed his rival over selling his gas station chicken in the same town.
Yes, he died years before you were born. But would it make you feel any better if you found out that the guy you met still really was the Colonel?
The Colonel himself called it wallpaper paste when he sued the company he sold KFC to.
Load More Replies...It is widely known that at the end of WW 2 the Russian army raped hundreds of thousands of German women and girls, the youngest victims not even 3 years old. What is not that widely known is that American,British an French soldiers also raped their way through the western part of Germany. There were 900 000 reported cases of rape committed by allied soldiers (USA, UK, France and Russia), but the numbers might be in the millions. Most women did not report the assault, because the people they had to report to were also members of the Allied Forces and they were afraid of the consequences.
Japan too. The concept of “comfort women” is horrible.
Load More Replies...That, by his own account, Christopher Columbus was evil. His own logs talk about selling young native girls into sexual slavery. There's more that I don't remember, but that alone is enough. I wish we could end Columbus Day in the US. It's starting to be called Indigenous People's Day, and I like that much better.
Most Spanish took Native girls and women as wife or just raped them. That's why their is now mestizo in Latin America.
Load More Replies...I find it concerning that some as calling out certain counties, religions, parties when in a tual fact if you look I to it every country has its dark past. We all have committed atrocities in our past. The only important thing is we choose not to repeat our ancestors and do our best to act like decent human beings.
It is important to study history in depth and form our own thoughts from it, ask questions, and research the real facts behind events, not just believe what is in our school history books. Also, no one alive now is responsible for what happened in history, and should not be held accountable. Hold people accountable for their own actions, not those of ancestors that they have no control over.
Lots of revisionist history going on here....the internet is not a quality source of information
To the person who downvoted me about the 7 books....are you saying it is not true???
Idk about your comment, but downvote sucks in practice, I try not read too much into it. They upvote my bad comments and downvote the good ones, I don't care anymore.
Load More Replies...had a great professor in college that made a statement when it came to history that is on spot: "a written history never remembers - an oral history never forgets." the people who write it down can always insert an agenda of how it is meant to be perceived. but, those who pass history by verbal rote learn it verbatim as to how it unfolded such at the griots of africa.
I wouldn't say it ruined my perspective, but it did throw me for a loop. Gruel wasn't nasty poor people food. It was literally just oatmeal or grain meal that was milled into flour instead of bits. It could be thick or thin, and it could be made with sugar and cream and spices. It could be eaten for breakfast or fed to kids, and was considered a comfort food for invalids. The reason we think bad about it now is because it always gets referred to as a 'thin gruel' in novels. We don't realize that the adjective is completely seperate. Oatmeal would also suck if it were thin. Technically speaking, storebought mashed potatoes are gruel!
It is widely known that at the end of WW 2 the Russian army raped hundreds of thousands of German women and girls, the youngest victims not even 3 years old. What is not that widely known is that American,British an French soldiers also raped their way through the western part of Germany. There were 900 000 reported cases of rape committed by allied soldiers (USA, UK, France and Russia), but the numbers might be in the millions. Most women did not report the assault, because the people they had to report to were also members of the Allied Forces and they were afraid of the consequences.
Japan too. The concept of “comfort women” is horrible.
Load More Replies...That, by his own account, Christopher Columbus was evil. His own logs talk about selling young native girls into sexual slavery. There's more that I don't remember, but that alone is enough. I wish we could end Columbus Day in the US. It's starting to be called Indigenous People's Day, and I like that much better.
Most Spanish took Native girls and women as wife or just raped them. That's why their is now mestizo in Latin America.
Load More Replies...I find it concerning that some as calling out certain counties, religions, parties when in a tual fact if you look I to it every country has its dark past. We all have committed atrocities in our past. The only important thing is we choose not to repeat our ancestors and do our best to act like decent human beings.
It is important to study history in depth and form our own thoughts from it, ask questions, and research the real facts behind events, not just believe what is in our school history books. Also, no one alive now is responsible for what happened in history, and should not be held accountable. Hold people accountable for their own actions, not those of ancestors that they have no control over.
Lots of revisionist history going on here....the internet is not a quality source of information
To the person who downvoted me about the 7 books....are you saying it is not true???
Idk about your comment, but downvote sucks in practice, I try not read too much into it. They upvote my bad comments and downvote the good ones, I don't care anymore.
Load More Replies...had a great professor in college that made a statement when it came to history that is on spot: "a written history never remembers - an oral history never forgets." the people who write it down can always insert an agenda of how it is meant to be perceived. but, those who pass history by verbal rote learn it verbatim as to how it unfolded such at the griots of africa.
I wouldn't say it ruined my perspective, but it did throw me for a loop. Gruel wasn't nasty poor people food. It was literally just oatmeal or grain meal that was milled into flour instead of bits. It could be thick or thin, and it could be made with sugar and cream and spices. It could be eaten for breakfast or fed to kids, and was considered a comfort food for invalids. The reason we think bad about it now is because it always gets referred to as a 'thin gruel' in novels. We don't realize that the adjective is completely seperate. Oatmeal would also suck if it were thin. Technically speaking, storebought mashed potatoes are gruel!
