Maestro.

That’s true! However, there also might be long term side affects with this. It’s 50/50 when it comes to long term stuff.

Well, and intelligently said Susie. Also, a large portion of a vaccine structure exists, having been used for years, which is then adapted for a new virus protein. You don’t do the whole development from scratch anymore, it’s building blocks.

Also, I do think there’s a huge gulf in ability for unbiased, analytical thinking based on whether your country views healthcare as a commodity as opposed to a basic human right.

Susie, you are right, but I'm stating this not at our current timeline. I'm giving my viewpoint back in 2020, not 2022. Once again, I am NOT against vaccination. My mentality back then was hesitant because my family was in a delicate point in our lives. If I were to blindly accept every word my doctor was saying, I might come across something I'd regret. Do I know better than doctors and researchers? Absolutely not. When I mean "blindly accept," I mean "am I understanding what they're saying." If I don't understand what's going on, I had to ask questions because it was a life and death situation for my dad. If I didn't do any research on my own, I would've missed a ton of things that affected him directly. I almost killed my dad by blindly following doctors orders. I was told to administer blood thinners prior to his stomach surgery. In a couple of weeks I was holding him when he passed out vomiting blood and tumors. I will never forgive myself for not asking the doctor about the risks

I am not against vaccination, I am for understanding what it is and what the virus is. I'm a healthy adult, I doubt it would affect me and the chances of it is slim. But what about my dad at the time. I made so many mistakes, what if this vaccine would be one of them. How would I know? There were no trials verified at the time. His oncologist was the one who told him to wait because for people like him, they didn't know. I am not against vaccination, I want people to understand it and choose for themselves. Understand the risks and the gains. Not be pushed toward a decision that they know nothing about (both against and for a vaccine).

The reason we had the covid-19 vaccine so fast was that there was about 20 years of active research into mRNA vaccines for the very similar SARS & MERS viruses. Remember that covid 19 is also named SARS-COV-2 because of their close relationship. It happened quickly because there wasn't too much work to be done.

It was 2002 wasn't it? So 20 years ago. Lot of time to work on it! Not short at all.

mRNA vaccines have been studied for 40 years.

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But testing on humans wasn't done until recently. Edited to add source: https://speakingofresearch.com/2021/08/27/human-mrna-vaccine-trials-in-the-2010s-a-history-lesson-in-animal-research/ A first human trial that ran from 2013 to 2016 seems pretty recent to me, given the typically long trials required for drug approvals.

I know that coronavirus is not new. This is why we specificy Covid-19 as it was discovered in 2019. I need to specify I am NOT against vaccinations, that is not the point I am trying to make. I am more than willing to listen to both sides which is precisely why I was hesitant to jump into it. Not because I don't believe in a single vaccine, but because I knew nothing about it. I just believe understanding what is going on is better than knowing nothing. For example, what is a vaccine? Or what is a virus? A lot of people can't explain simple things and that also brings with it a level of uncertainty and hesitation. Learn about it, ask medical professionals, read actual papers that have supporting documentation (not facebook posts...). And by supporting, I don't mean supporting my opinion, I'm referencing to supporting facts. What is Covid-19? How does it affect us? Who developed the vaccine? Which vaccine should I take? Why is it wrong to ask things like this when I know nothing

You had a year from the onset of the pandemic to availability of a vaccine to look into these things - which were basically current affairs at that point - via accessible, credited sources.

Yes Lis, but I'm not stating this with my mentality now. I'm stating this with my mentality in 2020 when these things directly affected me. I have access and know how to find valid information on this vaccine. Long term affects I'm still iffy about, but I'll find out in a few years or so. But what about older individuals? With all due respect, the day my Great Aunt finds actual facts instead of facebook posts online is the day I buy the lottery.

My mentality as an average joe, early 2020 - topline ‘what’s the virus, what does it do, how to avoid it, how to keep others safe, how long do vaccines take, what’s involved in the vaccine development plan, who develops vaccines’. All of which I ‘researched’ (aka read pertinent, available, credible sources like I would any other news item that interested me day to day) within the first week. Volunteer as a clinical trial candidate based on this knowledge. It was our role to try help others understand the situation if they couldn’t for themselves.

What is a virus is missed opportunity in biology class I hope most people go through. Also what is a bacteria, virus, fungi usually is gone through in biology class. The differences in the way bacteria and viruses exist in the world is also a school education issue. I agree with asking questions, get second or third opinion. But if you go further looking for other opinions you're just looking to get agreements. Most people don't understand the technologies used in pharmaceutical setting, let alone hospit settings or what goes on in medical labs. That's why we have specialised careers. A general practitioners cannot do surgery, a nose and throat doctors isn't oncologist, and medical device creator isn't a medical doctor. Please ask questions, but also learn to listen. And accept that you might be wrong, you could be right but it's all about communication, and saying I Don't understand, please explain more

Personally any time I'm stuck I ask to be explained how they would explain to a child. This usually makes people think better and easier ways to explain. You don't trust blindly, but it's a bad sign if you only accept explanations that agree with you or from people you like. You learn more from disagreeing and listening. Actually listening and not just listening to fight back.

Hence discussions over arguments. You can learn more from one than the other

This is what I was going for! Thank you lifa. This was the basics of what I learned in school, but this was never a subject in school for my parents during their time. It was too late for my dad to see through the pandemic, but my mom asked me for help understanding some of the terminology like viruses and vaccines. I'm not a doctor or a researcher by any means, but I can at least remember basic biology from school and when I forgot something I always went online to check to make sure I wouldn't be feeding her any misinformation. For the more complicated things I have to ask a specialized doctor or surgeon for help. I don't understand a lot of medical terminology so I can't just throw these words around like I know them. I'm fine being wrong, I iust want to understand the subject. If I'm told that there could be complications, explain it to me, regardless of how small so I know what actions to take (universe forbid) if it does happen.

You couldn’t find the answers to questions a child would ask in over two years of COVID??? I strongly suggest the issue for you here isn’t the availability of credible information, at a basic understandable level, if two years later you are still unclear and have been unable to understand the very, very basics of this pandemic.

Alright

Not true. 1 in a million. That is the number, that is a very low rate compared to many drugs that people routinely get prescribed that have gone through all the routine testing procedures. A higher protection rate than many flu vaccines. Countries later admitted that the ban was political, not medical and a poor decision. CDC figures: "breaking out case and death rates by vaccine product. In mid-August 2021, at the peak of the latest wave, unvaccinated people made up the greatest percentage of COVID-19 cases, at an incident rate of 736.72 cases per 100,000 people. Johnson & Johnson had the second-highest incidence rate, at 171.92 cases per 100,000 worse than Pfizer and Moderna. Finding out what you are getting was easy then, easy now. Listen to virologists on TV frequently explaining things. That 'kill count' is also most likely the people who covid would have killed as covid causes clots. Remember how vaccines work?!

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Absolutely agree. As a person involved in animal vaccines I know the difference in test time between simple IB vaccine for polutry and Covid-19 vaccines. In my opinion the Covid vaccines work, but have not been tested as throughly as they should, thus I fully understand the hesitation

Imogene also appears to forget that other countries were also doing research and testing the vaccines. They all had standards that had to be met and approval to be given for each and every drug that they agreed to administer to their citizens.

Yes. I wish I could upvote Dilly more than once. The fact that this was being supported by the international scientific community, not just our FDA, was an absolutely massive factor in my trusting the vaccine. Without that, I would've been hesitant.

Agreed Honu, agreed!!

I love that because people don’t trust the CDC or FDA, for whatever reason, then they’re done. Like US government and medical organizations speak for the scientists, researchers and doctors from London to Mumbai to Lima to Johannesburg.

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Imogene Cargeaux, you are perfectly fine. Its just hard to process for some brains that you can be anti-trump and pro-vaxxines but also question the medical industry, corporations and the government.