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People Drop Some ‘Hard Pills To Swallow’ On This Honest Thread About Alcoholism
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People Drop Some ‘Hard Pills To Swallow’ On This Honest Thread About Alcoholism

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With everyone around us having holiday parties, and many of us celebrating getting through some major crunch times at work or university, it’s easy to run into situations where we’re surrounded by alcohol. And it’s even easier, when alcohol is such a normalized part of all of our social lives, to forget its dark side.

This “hard pill to swallow” for students who do a lot of social drinking inspired a couple of other Tumblr users to share their qualms with how society understands alcoholism. But while the first two posts in the thread are pretty fatalistic, another user imparted some advice for people who are looking for a way out of drinking habits that are causing problems in their lives.

These people shared some hard truths about alcohol and alcoholism

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As for what constitutes alcoholism and what doesn’t, medical professionals actually make a distinction between binge drinking and alcoholism, but acknowledge that the former can lead to the latter as well as being harmful in its own right. While alcoholics develop an addiction alcohol, often physically, most people who binge drink in social situations don’t drink outside of those situations.

But Harvard Health found that even though only 10% of Americans who reported binge drinking by the numbers were physically dependent on alcohol, many reported alcohol-related problems with their health, employment and relationships even without meeting the criteria for alcoholism.

For people who realize that they need support to overcome their problem with alcohol, Alcoholics Anonymous is usually promoted as a lifeline, but not everyone manages to connect with it. Although AA gives the option for participants to define their understanding of a higher power however they see fit, some people don’t connect with the step of appealing to a spiritual force at all. Other non-religious people feel that even if the language to include them is technically in the manual, their local AA branches seem unwelcoming to them.

One person in the thread shared their experience with SMART recovery, an approach that addresses addictive behavior and unhealthy coping mechanisms of all kinds by examining the motivations behind it and imbuing participants with similar principles to cognitive behavioral therapy. It doesn’t preclude other treatment programs, and some participants say that its flexibility has benefited them in their recovery more than programs with other structures could.

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Leo Domitrix
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No addiction treatment program works for *all*, and if you want to insist you don't need help from a "higher power", that's fine, but I've got lots of dead relatives who said that. AA, SMART, whatever works to help someone realize evolutoin and addiction are not answerable to human ego. Focus on helping people, not tearing down what you don't like about what helps some of them, maybe?

Sandrine Muller
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Addict and alcoholic. Resisted AA, convinced that it was a sect. Truth is I had never tried this program. Went back after a relapse two years ago. Gave myself one year: for one year, I would try AA but this time with acceptance, willingness, and honesty. I am so glad I did that. This program has helped me tremendously and not only with my sobriety but with my life as a whole. I would like to ask the people who comment rather negatively against AA what event, story, experience that drove them to the conclusion that AA is a sect? I among many in AA don't believe that AA is for everyone and IF another method is what keeps you sober, then, you are exactly where you are supposed to be. Interesting that many of anti AA cannot give any objective reason as to why AA is close-minded and a sect.... Very ironic. Anyway, it would be great if instead of being at war, we join forces... no worries: no coolaid in the coffee 😜

Hans
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Five posts by random people and some commentary make a posting? Please BP, for next year give us less social media bla bla and more "A" content (Artistic, Adorable, Awesome). Merry Christmas!

Sonelle van der Merwe
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Boredpanda - Is this article a sponsored ad for SMART? Here's my two cents: I don't believe a real alcoholic can drink moderately. If you can, you're probably just overdoing it, you're not an addict. AA allows for addicts to come together and support one another, it is NOT religious, unless you want it to be. I think publicly bashing something that has kept addicts clean for decades is irresposible and frankly, dangerous.

Chuck Schad
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA made me feel worse and I would have a tall beer in the car after. I was convinced that I could never be sober. Finally stopped on my own, got hooked on benzodiazepines and then, not knowing what else to do, I tried meditation. Five years later I am still sober!!

Magpie
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA is not meant to be religious, but some groups can get focused on one particular definition of "higher power". .... group dynamics can happen and make it uncomfortable. I live in rural Australia, so there are only 2 groups I can get to, and it is not quite a good fit. But other groups ( from when I was travelling ) are a brilliant fit for me. THANK YOU for this lead to SMART. might be a better personality/ group fit for me.

danielw
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Is not meant to be religious.." .... Yes. Yes it is. AA was founded as a basically christian organization. 'Higher Power' does in fact refer to some deity rather than a specific deity (probably to avoid loosing funding derived by so many court-ordered attendees.) but it's still religious. Also, the notion that I'm fundamentally incapable of changing who and what I am because it's how some god made me is fundamentally insulting.

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Jaybird3939
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Alcoholic. I tried AA, but it wasn't for me. Turning over my life to a higher "power" who/what ever that may be, wasn't a concept I could accept. I ended just doing it cold turkey (which I don't recommend. You need support and someone to talk to , I just don't have anyone like that in my life). Whatever it may be, AA, Recovery House, SMART, you'll feel a lot better sober than you ever did during your "best" drunk.

Gabby
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I developed a bit of a drinking problem after getting out of an abusive relationship. And one day, after a week of intense struggle, I decided to attend an AA meeting. Just to see what it's like. I was there for a whole five minutes. The minute the word god left their mouths, I was up and leaving.

Carol Emory
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not sure if the rules differ from AA meeting to AA meeting, but my sister informed me that her biggest obstacle was the extreme to which they take the "nonjudgemental" thing. The meetings she went to, people could stand up and share their story and no one was allowed to say anything, not even in support of the person. It was like a bunch of drones saying "Thank you, (Insert Name)" She said what she wanted was to be able to share with people and have them respond so she could find anyone that could relate to her situation and give her advice on how they handled it.

Nunya
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA might not be aligned to a specific religion but it IS DEFINITELY religious. Also, if a specific religion is the dominant one among the attendees, then that religion will be prevalent and end up being the measuring stick that is used for the entire group. That's how it ends up being off-putting to so many others. Like most religious groups, AA becomes a clique.

Colin Leetham
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA does not have a good track record for treating alcoholism, with more about 95% relapsing within 5 years. I used it, and it made me an atheist (I wasn't before I started). That is the only thing I can thank them for. There are so many good social support programs and psychologists that are better for treating dependency. Please don't think that AA or NA is the only game in town.

Chris DiFonso
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Colin Leetham, please cite source(s) to support your claim that "more (than) 95% relapsing within 5 years"

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El Dee
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What constitutes an alcoholic has changed waaay much since I was young and out every weekend. We used to refer to someone as a 'drinker' or a 'heavy drinker' and not think of them as having any kind of problem or being an alcoholic. Back then alcoholics were those people on the streets or couldn't control how much they drank, constantly drunk unable to function or hold down a job. But now it's realised that many alcoholics DO hold down jobs and CAN control themselves but they are damaging themselves long term. More than a couple of drinks a day is too much for you to not cause damage long term. What I found VERY strange is how something (literally) so poisonous to us is still so acceptable. We've banned smoking in pubs (and other public places) but the bigger killer is the booze itself. You can drink yourself to death in an evening but you cn't possibly smoke yourself to death that quickly. We banned tobacco advertising but not alcohol advertising. Why??

Irene Walton
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Addiction treatment like AA is not for all, but is amazing for those who have hit rock bottom. There are AA meetings all over the world. It is NOT religious based, but, spiritual based. Religion is for people who don't want to go to hell, AA is for people that have been there. I'm in AA, nothing else worked, I tried. No one should ever put it down, it saved my and my son's life

Danimal
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this site has some good content but is so overtly far left on many things its ridiculous. highlight posts and comments bashing peoples path to sobriety through AA because they believe in god... you guys are so WOKE...

Steven Cook
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"When we say 'god', it's the god of YOUR understanding whatever that is" Me: My understanding is; There is no god . Also, you may wish to avoid Milwaukee, WI... Your heads will explode...

Ingrid Collender
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that AA may not be for everyone, but some of the comments made are not based on facts. AA in South Africa welcomes all genders, races, religions and creeds. We have a large LGBT community, who are received with love and acceptance and without judegement. AA is not a sect. Neither is it religious based. What AA does do is save the lives of those wanting help from alcoholism. I was one of these and I am 2 and a half years sober. Thank God for the AA. I truely have found freedom from the bondage and hell of addiction.

Donald Schofield
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went to a Christmas party with a friend about 3 years ago and, speaking to a friend of hers, she was telling me about her stressful job. She explained she drank a bottle of wine every night. I said "Every Night???" She said yes and it was "no big deal". I finally said "You do know that you're an alcoholic, don't you?" She was shocked and my date dragged me out of there as she was so embarassed. I was at the grocery store about 6 months ago and a woman came up to me and said "do you remember me?" (Wow, do I hate that question?). I finally said "no idea" and she told me. She had joined AA right after the Christmas party and has been sober ever since. Hugging me she cried....in the store....in front of everyone. So cool!

India Frost
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that has a very lovely ending and I appreciate people who speak their mind. That being said, labeling a relative stranger as an alcoholic in a party setting could be pretty upsetting. I'm glad it had such a wonderful outcome.

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Brian Baldwin
Community Member
4 years ago

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Chris DiFonso
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA is not a sect nor is it a cult. A central aspect of the program is asking for help from a "higher power" and if some people think of that entity as God then that's their thing, while for other people it isn't God. On a separate note, there are two types of addicts: active addicts (my term) and RECOVERING addicts.

Sandrine Muller
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA offers secular, atheist, LGBT men only and women only, young people groups all over the country for those of you who believe aa is dogmatic and against certain groups in society. I have many gay friends in aa. Not one ever told me they felt unwelcomed or...

Colin Leetham
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I did. The big book is condescending to secular ideas... all of chapter 4 is basically "don't believe in god? You will, just wait." I got ths same attitude from multiple groups.

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Andrew Hall
Community Member
4 years ago

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LoL - stupid lazy americanistanis always looking for easy answers - all it takes is a one descision and a strong will.

westwing
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

Watching drunks argue over which addiction treatment solution is better is so the Internet......

Leo Domitrix
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No addiction treatment program works for *all*, and if you want to insist you don't need help from a "higher power", that's fine, but I've got lots of dead relatives who said that. AA, SMART, whatever works to help someone realize evolutoin and addiction are not answerable to human ego. Focus on helping people, not tearing down what you don't like about what helps some of them, maybe?

Sandrine Muller
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Addict and alcoholic. Resisted AA, convinced that it was a sect. Truth is I had never tried this program. Went back after a relapse two years ago. Gave myself one year: for one year, I would try AA but this time with acceptance, willingness, and honesty. I am so glad I did that. This program has helped me tremendously and not only with my sobriety but with my life as a whole. I would like to ask the people who comment rather negatively against AA what event, story, experience that drove them to the conclusion that AA is a sect? I among many in AA don't believe that AA is for everyone and IF another method is what keeps you sober, then, you are exactly where you are supposed to be. Interesting that many of anti AA cannot give any objective reason as to why AA is close-minded and a sect.... Very ironic. Anyway, it would be great if instead of being at war, we join forces... no worries: no coolaid in the coffee 😜

Hans
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Five posts by random people and some commentary make a posting? Please BP, for next year give us less social media bla bla and more "A" content (Artistic, Adorable, Awesome). Merry Christmas!

Sonelle van der Merwe
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Boredpanda - Is this article a sponsored ad for SMART? Here's my two cents: I don't believe a real alcoholic can drink moderately. If you can, you're probably just overdoing it, you're not an addict. AA allows for addicts to come together and support one another, it is NOT religious, unless you want it to be. I think publicly bashing something that has kept addicts clean for decades is irresposible and frankly, dangerous.

Chuck Schad
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA made me feel worse and I would have a tall beer in the car after. I was convinced that I could never be sober. Finally stopped on my own, got hooked on benzodiazepines and then, not knowing what else to do, I tried meditation. Five years later I am still sober!!

Magpie
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA is not meant to be religious, but some groups can get focused on one particular definition of "higher power". .... group dynamics can happen and make it uncomfortable. I live in rural Australia, so there are only 2 groups I can get to, and it is not quite a good fit. But other groups ( from when I was travelling ) are a brilliant fit for me. THANK YOU for this lead to SMART. might be a better personality/ group fit for me.

danielw
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Is not meant to be religious.." .... Yes. Yes it is. AA was founded as a basically christian organization. 'Higher Power' does in fact refer to some deity rather than a specific deity (probably to avoid loosing funding derived by so many court-ordered attendees.) but it's still religious. Also, the notion that I'm fundamentally incapable of changing who and what I am because it's how some god made me is fundamentally insulting.

Load More Replies...
Jaybird3939
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Alcoholic. I tried AA, but it wasn't for me. Turning over my life to a higher "power" who/what ever that may be, wasn't a concept I could accept. I ended just doing it cold turkey (which I don't recommend. You need support and someone to talk to , I just don't have anyone like that in my life). Whatever it may be, AA, Recovery House, SMART, you'll feel a lot better sober than you ever did during your "best" drunk.

Gabby
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I developed a bit of a drinking problem after getting out of an abusive relationship. And one day, after a week of intense struggle, I decided to attend an AA meeting. Just to see what it's like. I was there for a whole five minutes. The minute the word god left their mouths, I was up and leaving.

Carol Emory
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not sure if the rules differ from AA meeting to AA meeting, but my sister informed me that her biggest obstacle was the extreme to which they take the "nonjudgemental" thing. The meetings she went to, people could stand up and share their story and no one was allowed to say anything, not even in support of the person. It was like a bunch of drones saying "Thank you, (Insert Name)" She said what she wanted was to be able to share with people and have them respond so she could find anyone that could relate to her situation and give her advice on how they handled it.

Nunya
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA might not be aligned to a specific religion but it IS DEFINITELY religious. Also, if a specific religion is the dominant one among the attendees, then that religion will be prevalent and end up being the measuring stick that is used for the entire group. That's how it ends up being off-putting to so many others. Like most religious groups, AA becomes a clique.

Colin Leetham
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA does not have a good track record for treating alcoholism, with more about 95% relapsing within 5 years. I used it, and it made me an atheist (I wasn't before I started). That is the only thing I can thank them for. There are so many good social support programs and psychologists that are better for treating dependency. Please don't think that AA or NA is the only game in town.

Chris DiFonso
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Colin Leetham, please cite source(s) to support your claim that "more (than) 95% relapsing within 5 years"

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El Dee
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What constitutes an alcoholic has changed waaay much since I was young and out every weekend. We used to refer to someone as a 'drinker' or a 'heavy drinker' and not think of them as having any kind of problem or being an alcoholic. Back then alcoholics were those people on the streets or couldn't control how much they drank, constantly drunk unable to function or hold down a job. But now it's realised that many alcoholics DO hold down jobs and CAN control themselves but they are damaging themselves long term. More than a couple of drinks a day is too much for you to not cause damage long term. What I found VERY strange is how something (literally) so poisonous to us is still so acceptable. We've banned smoking in pubs (and other public places) but the bigger killer is the booze itself. You can drink yourself to death in an evening but you cn't possibly smoke yourself to death that quickly. We banned tobacco advertising but not alcohol advertising. Why??

Irene Walton
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Addiction treatment like AA is not for all, but is amazing for those who have hit rock bottom. There are AA meetings all over the world. It is NOT religious based, but, spiritual based. Religion is for people who don't want to go to hell, AA is for people that have been there. I'm in AA, nothing else worked, I tried. No one should ever put it down, it saved my and my son's life

Danimal
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this site has some good content but is so overtly far left on many things its ridiculous. highlight posts and comments bashing peoples path to sobriety through AA because they believe in god... you guys are so WOKE...

Steven Cook
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"When we say 'god', it's the god of YOUR understanding whatever that is" Me: My understanding is; There is no god . Also, you may wish to avoid Milwaukee, WI... Your heads will explode...

Ingrid Collender
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that AA may not be for everyone, but some of the comments made are not based on facts. AA in South Africa welcomes all genders, races, religions and creeds. We have a large LGBT community, who are received with love and acceptance and without judegement. AA is not a sect. Neither is it religious based. What AA does do is save the lives of those wanting help from alcoholism. I was one of these and I am 2 and a half years sober. Thank God for the AA. I truely have found freedom from the bondage and hell of addiction.

Donald Schofield
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went to a Christmas party with a friend about 3 years ago and, speaking to a friend of hers, she was telling me about her stressful job. She explained she drank a bottle of wine every night. I said "Every Night???" She said yes and it was "no big deal". I finally said "You do know that you're an alcoholic, don't you?" She was shocked and my date dragged me out of there as she was so embarassed. I was at the grocery store about 6 months ago and a woman came up to me and said "do you remember me?" (Wow, do I hate that question?). I finally said "no idea" and she told me. She had joined AA right after the Christmas party and has been sober ever since. Hugging me she cried....in the store....in front of everyone. So cool!

India Frost
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that has a very lovely ending and I appreciate people who speak their mind. That being said, labeling a relative stranger as an alcoholic in a party setting could be pretty upsetting. I'm glad it had such a wonderful outcome.

Load More Replies...
Brian Baldwin
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment has been deleted.

Chris DiFonso
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA is not a sect nor is it a cult. A central aspect of the program is asking for help from a "higher power" and if some people think of that entity as God then that's their thing, while for other people it isn't God. On a separate note, there are two types of addicts: active addicts (my term) and RECOVERING addicts.

Sandrine Muller
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

AA offers secular, atheist, LGBT men only and women only, young people groups all over the country for those of you who believe aa is dogmatic and against certain groups in society. I have many gay friends in aa. Not one ever told me they felt unwelcomed or...

Colin Leetham
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I did. The big book is condescending to secular ideas... all of chapter 4 is basically "don't believe in god? You will, just wait." I got ths same attitude from multiple groups.

Load More Replies...
Andrew Hall
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

LoL - stupid lazy americanistanis always looking for easy answers - all it takes is a one descision and a strong will.

westwing
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

Watching drunks argue over which addiction treatment solution is better is so the Internet......

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