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Man Draws The Line At Girlfriend’s Insane Rent Request: “She Says I’m Just Making Excuses”
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Man Draws The Line At Girlfriend’s Insane Rent Request: “She Says I’m Just Making Excuses”

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Moving in together is like unlocking a new level in a relationship—it’s fun, it’s exciting, but it comes with a unique set of challenges. Last week, Reddit user Throwawayl4081 made a post on r/AITAH about a dilemma he’s facing with his girlfriend.

The woman owns a house and wants him to move in, but she’s uncomfortable adding him to the mortgage. While he said he understood, she asked for “rent” that’s double what he currently pays, and they got into a standoff where neither is willing to budge, and the man is growing increasingly unsure if he’s being unreasonable or if she wants too much.

A couple should progress through their relationship when both feel like taking the next step

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So after this man got into a disagreement with his girlfriend about moving in together, it cast a shadow over their entire future

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According to Dr. Stephanie Zepeda, having clear financial communication is crucial for any couple that is looking to increase the level of commitment in their relationship

The idea behind the girlfriend’s proposal doesn’t sound bad. To get a more rounded understanding of its conditions, we contacted a marriage and family therapist from Texas, United States, Dr. Stephanie Zepeda.

“I dislike categorical terms like ‘financially compatible’ or ‘financially incompatible’ because I have seen how beautiful different financial philosophies can be in couples. The YOLO/Carpe Diem person always seems to attract the Frugal MacDoogal and vice versa,” she told Bored Panda. “I believe that finance is an area where the saying ‘Opposites attract!’ rings true. So instead of focusing on determining how compatible you are financially with your beloved, have each partner instead ask ‘What strengths does my perspective bring? And what risks?’ together in a conversation.”

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“Then you can find creative ways to use each other’s perspective well. This can also increase their Financial Intimacy, which can lead to an overall feeling of closeness and safety in the relationship.”

The landlord/tenant arrangement may seem cold, but it could meet the interests of both parties.

Since the girlfriend owns the house, she bears all of the associated risks. These include a decline in the property’s value, expenses associated with its future sale, as well as the required maintenance and upkeep. If a dog-walker slips and falls on the icy driveway, she’s the one who is liable. But that means the guy shouldn’t be paying for a snowplow service, either.

In return for shouldering these risks and expenses, the girlfriend would build equity and perhaps one day sell the house for more than what she bought. But for the time being, that doesn’t concern the author of the post. It’s unfair to expect these returns if you are not bearing any of the risks. To justify asking for part of those returns, you would need to become a joint owner (and borrower) of the property. However, the woman said she doesn’t want to add him to her mortgage, so that option is out of the window.

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The tricky part is deciding how much to pay the girlfriend for his “rent.” As an owner, his girlfriend should cover the costs associated with ownership — property improvements, repairs, insurance — like any landlord would. To determine the monthly payments, the couple could check out current rental rates for similar properties nearby. By that logic, it would make sense for the man to pay either half the mortgage or a fair rental rate for a similar property, whichever is less.

“When discussing cohabitation, couples take different approaches,” Dr. Zepeda said. “Some couples that are still in the early stages split everything 50/50, regardless of whose income is larger. Other couples that might be further along in their commitment level do a percentage-based approach (i.e. if someone makes 70% of the household total income, then they split the bills 70/30). And some couples even completely merge their finances (i.e. they put all income into one account and pay all the house bills from that account).”

Zepeda said each case is different and it depends on what you each see as the ultimate goal of the relationship. “I would strongly urge that no matter which method you choose, there should be an annual, prospective budget where you chart out what the expenses for the year will be and then discuss how these expenses will be covered,” she added. “Planning this out can not only be helpful for moving in together but it also can be helpful in shining some light on financial habits and goals that each person might want to work on as well.”

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The therapist said that it’s possible for the couple to blend their financial goals instead of having them work against each other

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However, it’s worth pointing out that the relationship dynamic might switch when one partner is feeling like a tenant in the other’s home. “With some of my clients, this shift can be really difficult 3 especially if the person owns the property and the other partner is paying rent to them,” Dr. Zepeda said.

“Something that I have seen some creative couples do to help balance this power dynamic is addressing the fact that the other person is helping to put equity into the property by paying rent. I’ve seen this done a couple of ways: 1) The property owner gives a discount on the rent price to account for this; 2) They make an agreement that if they end up separating, a percentage of the equity will be reimbursed to the non-property owner.”

However, the most important piece, according to the therapist, is to make sure to communicate expectations well before the move-in date. “If expectations are clear, it helps to avoid hurt feelings,” she explained.

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So at least this particular couple tackled the question sooner rather than later. However, they might be missing the bigger picture. In addition to discussing budgets, Dr. Zepeda suggests the couple dive deeper, so that both know what’s important to them — he may want to be saving for a down payment on a house himself, she may want to build a comfortable emergency fund. “Once they discuss the virtues and values that are linked to their budget decisions, they can approach the topic with more understanding of each other. This understanding opens up a path for them to blend their values, rather than just vilifying the other person’s position.”

The reactions to the story are mixed—some people said the man is being perfectly reasonable

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While others believe both the man and woman could approach the argument with more empathy

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A few also said the man is the one who is in the wrong

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Nina
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on the info, NTA. It would be berserk to pay a rent that covers the whole house. If she wanted that type of rent to be paid, she should move out en become a landlord of the place. It's fair to split the cost so they both contribute evenly to the cost of living there. It's not okay to let your partner pay a rent as if they're renting the whole place without a roommate.

Schmebulock
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's simple math. He should pay half the mortgage and bills. He is getting no equity where he rents now so that should not matter until/if they get married. If she wants more than that then dump her greedy a*s.

Donna Peluda
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Carefull mate, while you are paying rent she is building equity. Even splitting the cost 50/50 is not fair because you get nothing out of it. You should move in and cover utilities and buy a place a rent it so that way when break up you'll have somewhere to live. Think 10, 15 years ahead. I've never asked my GF to cover my mortgage, just expenses.

Sto Cristian
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So it's fine paying a stranger's mortage, but when it's your parteners then there's a problem? You get notjing when normally renting neider, but at least now youre helping somebody you love

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Surly Scot
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't charge rent based on "market value" when you have a set mortgage, I don't know where she's pulling this nonsense from. If you live together, you split the costs. That's half the mortgage/rent and utilities, food/household items can be worked out between you, but the actual bills that come in the door every month are what gets halved, NOT what the rent would be if the house was available on the market. Sounds like she's trying to get him to pay her mortgage off faster by jacking up his monthly 'rent' at her place. OP Should keep the same apartment he has and dump the woman. She's not ready to be fair and equitable with a live-in partner.

Grenelda Thurber
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hubby moved in with me in the house I owned before we got married. He offered to split the mortgage with me, and I said no. I get the tax deduction for the mortgage interest, I get the home equity, he'd be paying half of my homeowner's insurance, all not fair to him. I think he ended up paying maybe 35-40% of the mortgage, don't recall exactly. We split the bills. The current rental market didn't even come into play, because it was irrelevant. This woman thinks she's figured out a way to make a profit on her boyfriend's rental situation. I bet that's why she was so excited about the idea. Dude, renew your lease. Edited to add more advice: If she really thinks the deal she's offering is fair, she either doesn't have a head for numbers or doesn't understand how mortgages work. Be very careful combining money with her. Also, if you do decide to move in with her, have a lease written and have it looked over by a real state attorney.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Charging rent is absolutely fair, but she wants to make money off him. Half the monthly expenses (or salary proportional) is the done thing in a relationship. If you're trying to make a profit off your bf, you're terrible.

Julia H
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I need more information. How much is the mortgage? and how much is she requesting from OP. We're missing a whole section of the story.

Sedona
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's info missing so its hard, but I think the dude is a little mad she didn't want to put him down as owner of the house.

Grenelda Thurber
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once more, for the people in the back! If your goal is to split the household expenses and you cover half the mortgage without any ownership or equity rights to the property, you are getting screwed. You are actually paying more than half of expenses. There are financial benefits to owning a house that offset the cost of the mortgage.

GirlFriday
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my partner and I moved in together, we decided to move into my place since I owned and he rented. We sat down and calculated all of the bills and split them down the middle. I had been living there and paying the mortgage for 12 years when he moved in, there is no discussion about putting his name on my house. When the home is paid off in a few years, both of our expenses will go down. If repairs are needed at the house, or we need a new appliance, we split it.

Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like seeing the unhinged YTA trash be down voted at least. This isnt complicated.. he should pay half the bills and half the mortgage. Full stop. Why is this even a question?

CBolt
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whatever the other issues & arrangements are, she shouldn't add him to the mortgage, deed, or anything else that gives him part ownership of the house - Imagine the mess when they break up. They don't seem to have any kind of long-term commitment or real plans for a future life together. They're either just roommates or he's just her tenant. Things would be easier if he just had his own place & let her deal with her mortgage payments on her house.

Norine Farrar
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I liked the idea of him buying his own place. If he can afford to pay that much, have his own asset. Rent out the two homes, and then they can make a 3rd purchase to live in.

Paul Rabit
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the last commenter had it right - OP pays half the mortgage and other expenses. Or she puts her house up for rent and she and OP buy or rent another place together. Yes GF gets the sweeter part of the deal, but it's always sweeter when you come into any relationship with outside investments.

zovjraar me
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not fair for her to charge him "market price" which is the cost of the mortgage + costs for upkeep. and then she's living there rent- free. 50%+20% of the 50% for upkeep would be fair, imo.

R Dennis
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As if reading the story isn't bad enough, the ESH and YTA make me so glad I don't ever have to deal with this bs... if she wants him to move in, half the rent and half the utilities. If there is a major repair, homeowners should cover it - at the end of the day, she is the one gaining equity. ***I really don't understand this yours and mine stuff... my wife and I had joint accounts and a house seven years before we got married. You're either all in or your not. We've been together 34 years, thick and thin, good and bad.

Nimitz
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The breakdown doesn't make sense. She wants him to pay to rent the entire house while she lives there? She won't let him gain any equity while living together, so in that situation I would max at 1/3 the mortgage plus half utilities. There's no mention of him signing a lease, so I imagine he'd be giving her cash or a bank transfer every month, meaning she wouldn't be paying taxes on that income like a real landlord. Sounds like the GF just wants him to pay her mortgage until she decides he's good enough to marry. And if she dumps him, she got her bills paid by a sucker till she got tired of him. This is a big red flag

G Bono
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she wants to make a profit here. It seems more, or equally, plausible that he mentioned the reality of sharing expenses after they got married than him wanting to be added to the house, but there is a lot of info missing

Apatheist Account2
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should pay rent until they marry; but if they split, she'll get all the benefit from selling the house eventually, so it should take that into account. Perhaps 1/3 of the mortgage and half the bills is fair.

MoMcB
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spread sheet. All outgoings for the house put on. Mortgage, utilities, any other bills and split them. Any loans are yours to pay, and what's left is yours.

Grenelda Thurber
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IMHO, splitting the mortgage with someone who doesn't have any ownership of the house isn't fair to the non-owner, if the goal is an even split of expenses. Mortgages include tax-deductible interest and the owner gets the equity. The non-owner doesn't get either.

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Joe Bloe
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guy make a whole post complaining about the rent, never once put the price...

UncleJohn3000
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She had second thoughts, found an insurmountable obstacle, and is waiting on OP to get a clue.

Pamacious
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I sense there's more to this and would like to know her POV.

Nina
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on the info, NTA. It would be berserk to pay a rent that covers the whole house. If she wanted that type of rent to be paid, she should move out en become a landlord of the place. It's fair to split the cost so they both contribute evenly to the cost of living there. It's not okay to let your partner pay a rent as if they're renting the whole place without a roommate.

Schmebulock
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's simple math. He should pay half the mortgage and bills. He is getting no equity where he rents now so that should not matter until/if they get married. If she wants more than that then dump her greedy a*s.

Donna Peluda
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Carefull mate, while you are paying rent she is building equity. Even splitting the cost 50/50 is not fair because you get nothing out of it. You should move in and cover utilities and buy a place a rent it so that way when break up you'll have somewhere to live. Think 10, 15 years ahead. I've never asked my GF to cover my mortgage, just expenses.

Sto Cristian
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So it's fine paying a stranger's mortage, but when it's your parteners then there's a problem? You get notjing when normally renting neider, but at least now youre helping somebody you love

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Surly Scot
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't charge rent based on "market value" when you have a set mortgage, I don't know where she's pulling this nonsense from. If you live together, you split the costs. That's half the mortgage/rent and utilities, food/household items can be worked out between you, but the actual bills that come in the door every month are what gets halved, NOT what the rent would be if the house was available on the market. Sounds like she's trying to get him to pay her mortgage off faster by jacking up his monthly 'rent' at her place. OP Should keep the same apartment he has and dump the woman. She's not ready to be fair and equitable with a live-in partner.

Grenelda Thurber
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hubby moved in with me in the house I owned before we got married. He offered to split the mortgage with me, and I said no. I get the tax deduction for the mortgage interest, I get the home equity, he'd be paying half of my homeowner's insurance, all not fair to him. I think he ended up paying maybe 35-40% of the mortgage, don't recall exactly. We split the bills. The current rental market didn't even come into play, because it was irrelevant. This woman thinks she's figured out a way to make a profit on her boyfriend's rental situation. I bet that's why she was so excited about the idea. Dude, renew your lease. Edited to add more advice: If she really thinks the deal she's offering is fair, she either doesn't have a head for numbers or doesn't understand how mortgages work. Be very careful combining money with her. Also, if you do decide to move in with her, have a lease written and have it looked over by a real state attorney.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Charging rent is absolutely fair, but she wants to make money off him. Half the monthly expenses (or salary proportional) is the done thing in a relationship. If you're trying to make a profit off your bf, you're terrible.

Julia H
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I need more information. How much is the mortgage? and how much is she requesting from OP. We're missing a whole section of the story.

Sedona
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's info missing so its hard, but I think the dude is a little mad she didn't want to put him down as owner of the house.

Grenelda Thurber
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once more, for the people in the back! If your goal is to split the household expenses and you cover half the mortgage without any ownership or equity rights to the property, you are getting screwed. You are actually paying more than half of expenses. There are financial benefits to owning a house that offset the cost of the mortgage.

GirlFriday
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my partner and I moved in together, we decided to move into my place since I owned and he rented. We sat down and calculated all of the bills and split them down the middle. I had been living there and paying the mortgage for 12 years when he moved in, there is no discussion about putting his name on my house. When the home is paid off in a few years, both of our expenses will go down. If repairs are needed at the house, or we need a new appliance, we split it.

Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I like seeing the unhinged YTA trash be down voted at least. This isnt complicated.. he should pay half the bills and half the mortgage. Full stop. Why is this even a question?

CBolt
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whatever the other issues & arrangements are, she shouldn't add him to the mortgage, deed, or anything else that gives him part ownership of the house - Imagine the mess when they break up. They don't seem to have any kind of long-term commitment or real plans for a future life together. They're either just roommates or he's just her tenant. Things would be easier if he just had his own place & let her deal with her mortgage payments on her house.

Norine Farrar
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I liked the idea of him buying his own place. If he can afford to pay that much, have his own asset. Rent out the two homes, and then they can make a 3rd purchase to live in.

Paul Rabit
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the last commenter had it right - OP pays half the mortgage and other expenses. Or she puts her house up for rent and she and OP buy or rent another place together. Yes GF gets the sweeter part of the deal, but it's always sweeter when you come into any relationship with outside investments.

zovjraar me
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

not fair for her to charge him "market price" which is the cost of the mortgage + costs for upkeep. and then she's living there rent- free. 50%+20% of the 50% for upkeep would be fair, imo.

R Dennis
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As if reading the story isn't bad enough, the ESH and YTA make me so glad I don't ever have to deal with this bs... if she wants him to move in, half the rent and half the utilities. If there is a major repair, homeowners should cover it - at the end of the day, she is the one gaining equity. ***I really don't understand this yours and mine stuff... my wife and I had joint accounts and a house seven years before we got married. You're either all in or your not. We've been together 34 years, thick and thin, good and bad.

Nimitz
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The breakdown doesn't make sense. She wants him to pay to rent the entire house while she lives there? She won't let him gain any equity while living together, so in that situation I would max at 1/3 the mortgage plus half utilities. There's no mention of him signing a lease, so I imagine he'd be giving her cash or a bank transfer every month, meaning she wouldn't be paying taxes on that income like a real landlord. Sounds like the GF just wants him to pay her mortgage until she decides he's good enough to marry. And if she dumps him, she got her bills paid by a sucker till she got tired of him. This is a big red flag

G Bono
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she wants to make a profit here. It seems more, or equally, plausible that he mentioned the reality of sharing expenses after they got married than him wanting to be added to the house, but there is a lot of info missing

Apatheist Account2
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should pay rent until they marry; but if they split, she'll get all the benefit from selling the house eventually, so it should take that into account. Perhaps 1/3 of the mortgage and half the bills is fair.

MoMcB
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Spread sheet. All outgoings for the house put on. Mortgage, utilities, any other bills and split them. Any loans are yours to pay, and what's left is yours.

Grenelda Thurber
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IMHO, splitting the mortgage with someone who doesn't have any ownership of the house isn't fair to the non-owner, if the goal is an even split of expenses. Mortgages include tax-deductible interest and the owner gets the equity. The non-owner doesn't get either.

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Joe Bloe
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Guy make a whole post complaining about the rent, never once put the price...

UncleJohn3000
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She had second thoughts, found an insurmountable obstacle, and is waiting on OP to get a clue.

Pamacious
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I sense there's more to this and would like to know her POV.

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