Phobia is being scared/afraid of something. She never said she was afraid of trans-women, she was stating a biological fact.

That fact is false. There have always been people not male or female. Societal norms just made them hide. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Intersex births make up less than .05% of all births. (That is a REALLY small number.)

I agree that that is where the word came from, but it now can mean a dislike of or prejudice against

Robbie, you know nothing about biology if you think JK's hateful outpourings are any kind of "fact".

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Rayne, it is absolutely a biological fact. You need to learn what biology is.

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Well, they aren't... Only in their own heads. But that's OK. Just don't expect everyone ro agree.

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That is exactly Rowling's point. Should a women's refuge for example, full of women fleeing domestic violence and rape, allow people who are genetically male, and have a penis, into them, irrespective of how they identify? It IS a point worth discussing, and closing down the argument with "TRANSPHOBE!!" benefits no one.

Maybe when they stop converting the men's shelters into women's shelters we will have enough room for them.

Watching Olympics yesterday I saw a trans 'woman' beat the s**t out of a 'regular' woman in the boxing competition. Seemed totally fair. It's funny though how nobody who has transitioned the other way is jumping up demanding to compete in men's sports

no you didn't. there was a woman whose testosterone levels were high (women DO produce testosterone, some more than others) against a woman who wasn't feeling well due to, I believe it was a tooth ache, which is definitely going to make being punched an issue, who decided to drop out. there IS a trans person competing. that person is a trans man. nobody is whining about that.

@Manana Man - I would like to introduce you to Patricio Manuel, a trans man and professional boxer who is currently dominating all his fights. I'm hardly surprised that you don't know anything about trans people beyond what you've heard on fox news.

That woman isn't even trans. Being lgbt is illegal in Algeria. She's possibly intersex but was born a woman and her father didn't even want her to box as a kid because he didn't think girls should box.

That “trans woman” tested as a woman (a “real” one). Her opponent acknowledged this.

Exactly.

No they aren't, and they never will be, except in their own heads. That's OK. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you.

Men who have surgery are still men, they aren't women. Let's not confuse biology with gender. Male & female species are not interchangeable regardless of how loud you shout or try to shut people down/cancel them with silly 'phobia' nonsense...

If someone identifies as a woman, why should it matter what they were born as? I understand the conflicts with sports, but this seems unrelated.

You seem to have confused gender with sex. Sex is a set of physical attributes that approximately conform to an expected binomial distribution. Gender is a social construct on expected societal roles.

It's not "silly phobia" nonsense Aiden. It is literally spreading hatred and telling people they have no right to be who they truly are. Whether you like it of not, trans women ARE women and trans men ARE men. Science has proven this. What we have between our legs does not determine what our gender is.

Science has not proven any such thing. The only 'proofs' are achieved by bait-and-switch word games, switching between sex (biological reality) and gender (social construct).

And besides, why would it matter, to anyone, what someone else is or does? Is it my business? Nope.

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Well it does matter when they want everyone to help pay for their delusions. Or when they want compete in sports, or use the wrong bathroom.

Reference please. Where are the facts to back up the claim that all trans people want everyone to pay for their "delusions"? In Canada, 41% of trans people are on a wait list for healthcare in a country where halthcare is federally covered. Once they can actually see a doctor, they have no access to gender affirming care such as hormones until a GP confirms a diagnosis of body dysmorphia AND a psychiatrist signs off as well. All travel costs required for treatment are out of pocket (generally required as this kind of treatment is done by specialists) and additional surgeries are, again, paid for by the patient. I have no idea where the idea that trans people expect everyone else to pay for their care comes from, but it's wrong, period. Do your research before making ignorant statements like this. Here's an article you might want to read: https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/trans-health-care-in-canada-needs-major-improvements-advocates-say-1.5439295

Well, in czech republice, if you are diagnosed with transexualims, you get complete care covered by public health care system. Truth Is, getting the diagnose is complicated process, you need to be assesed by a lot of specialst, but again, it's completely free (apart some traveling costs) and thanks to this, we have basically zero case of detransition, because about half of aplicants won't get the surgery approved. But they do get treatment from psychiatrists, terapists, sexuologist and so on (And those Are the people who would regret their transition in the long term)

What science is that then?

Couldn't have said it better. Why do so many people feel entitled to scream about "real" women or men? Just MYOFB.

I refuse to engage in your delusion. Trans women are not real women. You can not force me to tell you what you want to hear. We are not in the 1984 novel ..and you are not big brother. Why do u even need me to affirm your identity you confused human ?! Lol

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calm down, dude

Science has NOT proven this, nor ever will, prove this. Gender identity is a purely psychological/sociological construct with no basis in science.

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we are doing opposite, we are saying people can.be who they are, you want to act like a woman, go ahead, just don't have the disillusion you really are a normal natural woman. you aint'

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No one in the locker room cares what you look like nekkid. And no transwomen are stalking yourgrand babies. Just breathe.

Even I have no desire to get anywhere near you and I am as cis/het as they come.

@Zsazsa Light - That is such an ignorant thing to say. Trans people aren't going after your grandkids. I would feel safer with my kid being with a Transwomen then most straight cis males. They aren't going into locker rooms to watch people undress just like you aren't, they are going in the to change, just like you. And I guarantee that you wouldn't be able to tell anyways. Stop being just a hate filled ignorant person spreading lies.

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If all they want is a place to change then why can't they do it where all the other people with d***s do it?

Because there are ignorant people in them who will mock them, judge them and potentially harm them. Trans people are 4 times as likely to experience violence, especially in situations you describe That's why. And again, do your GD research. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

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Aiden, dear, shut the f**k up.

They shouldn't.

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never will someone who was born a male and feels hed rather be female and then goes to women only spaces while still having a male body be a real woman. so its perfectly fine for women to be uncomfortable for a guy to come into their private space. that's the whole reason why we seperated male and female spaces in the first place.

I'm curious as to why people are so screamingly worried about trans women and yet never seem to be up in arms about trans men.

It's all about the imbalance of power. Think about it: men are under no threat from women who identify as male. Men don't need to worry about their physical safety if a woman walks into male locker rooms, bathrooms, etc. Men have no real concerns about women invading men's sports and winning all the prizes. If a woman joins a men's rugby team or boxes against men she's unlikely to be a physical threat to the men. The opposite does not apply. Men have always been a danger to women, and a man identifying as a woman does not magically remove the danger. That is why women are demanding - and need - to have single-sex spaces and sports preserved as such. For the record, I am not a transphobe; people should be allowed to express themselves however they wish. But people need to realise that there are biological differences between the sexes (,on average) that do not change because of somebody's gender identity, and they need to accept that their sex is immutable.

@ukgranddad you're still being disrespectful by referring to trans women with male pronouns. And referring to trans men as "women". That is not who they are.

But it is WHAT they are, regardless of how they identify. Facts are not disrespectful, they're just facts.

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Facts can be disrespectful depending on how they’re phrased

Are you telling us how to think? Are we not allowed to judge for ourselves what to believe?

UKGrandad, so it would seem to me the actual problem is male bodies, and therefore generally cismen. That would seem to be the threat to women. But that's complicated and hard and socially established as "just how it is" so in the name of "protecting" women it's apparently okay to go after transwomen. Easier, plus you get to be a bigot in the name of "defending women". If you don't want to deal with the *actual*, big scary problem, then STFU about transwomen.

Because men don't feel unsafe when there are biological females in their washroom/shelter/change room/prison cell etc. Women do feel unsafe when someone with a penis is in their space. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about this. There is nothing wrong with being trans but accepting trans people shouldn't have to mean making biological women feel unsafe in places that we're designed specifically so that they could have a safe space.

Sorry, I'm a woman and I can't let the comment "women do feel unsafe.." go unchallenged. Penises are not inherently scary. What is scary is anyone who displays their willingness to harm others by acting in a threatening manner. Which is not only something men do.

THIS! If women *are* unsafe because of how men act, then it's *these* men's fault. If women *feel* unsafe just because men are present that doesn't mean they *are* unsafe. Feelings are subjective. Abusers (male or female) need to be called out, and change their behaviour. I don't want safe "islands" for women, because they imply my consent in abuse whenever I leave them! I want uniséx toilets, I want decent people to step up to abuse, and keeping people segregated has never been a good way to produce a safe or healthy society.

exactly. a penis isn't threatening, unless its owner is using it to abuse someone. a trans woman in the toilets, just like any other woman, is there to go into a cubicle and have a pee. nobody else is even going to know if she has a penis or not. I know a young trans woman who is very vocal that she's not having anything done below the belt. some of them, getting bottom surgery is very important to them. you won't know unless they're wearing very revealing clothing. used to have a regular customer when I worked in retail who was a VERY tall, broad, and physically masculine looking trans woman. but she HAD the surgery. looks a lot less feminine than the aforementioned friend. . I only know this because a colleague was sniggering about her looking as she does, so she cornered him and told him in graphic detail about what they did to her penis during the surgery. he looked like he was going to throw up. it was great

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It's great that you're ok with biological men invading every aspect of your life.

Trans men don't go into changing rooms to gawp at other people changing (recent NHS case in Britain)

neither do trans women. or gay men. or lesbians. people go into changing rooms to get changed

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Sixty years ago people were saying the same thing about Black women.

@except that's not what is happen Power Puff. They have ALREADY gone through the transition of being and looking more feminine to match who they truly are. They're born female, their body just developed the wrong way. And of course you'd be disrespectful and still use he/him pronouns for trans woman. 🙄

Emie, where in the narrative is it mentioned that they went through the whole transition process, had surgery and everything? you are just making up your own facts here. They are not born female, they are born male, that's why they want to transition but they didn't have the same experiences, challenges, hormones, body, they jist wished they were female. everything else is just in your fabrication of reality.

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Yeah, lil em is just stupid.

Your ignorance concerning biology is truly mind boggling. The chromosomes an individual is born with determines their sex, male or female. Their psychological makeup determines whether or not they are man or woman. Learn the difference.

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Not disrespectful; it's the truth, babe. If you have a d**k you're a HE.

I wouldn’t call that person a guy

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@mario but science as proven that trans people are real. Gender and sex are not the same thing.

Yes, which is why the problem is with those with a female GENDER identity demanding access to females' single-SEX spaces, facilities, sports, etc.

Science has proven no such thing. Ever. And it never will.

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Look up "difference between sex and gender", please... "Woman" is not a sex.

skyrender: what is woman according to your definition?

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Just because the woke crowd has changed the meaning of those words to fit their agenda doesn't turn it into some kind of factual argument.

You cannot rightfully call yourself a human, fifou.

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No they aren't. The are cosplaying as women.

@stuart. No they are WOMEN. They're born female, their bodies just developed the wrong way.

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Lol

If we as women are labeled as TERFs what are the men who agree with our view? TERMs? Or are they not allowed the same views as us because they don't have a f***y?

TERF stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist, meaning feminism for only cis women. Hope you can infer the rest

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Well duh. I can infer an absolute s.h.i.t load, not least of which is that TERF stands for "trans exclusionary radical feminist". You still haven't answered my question which is: what acronym do men get if they agree with so called terf views? Or are men excluded because they aren't biological or trans women? Stop f.u.c.k.i.n.g name calling and give an honest answer to an honest question.

Men can be feminist, and those that exclude trans women are TERFs. Also, there was no name calling

WE as women? you do not speak for all of us. also, the F stands for Feminists. you think men can't be feminists? a feminist is someone that believes that men and women are equal. decent men believe that, so are feminists. I prefer to call them FARTs. Feminism Appropriating Rabid Transphobes. they are not feminists. it's misogynistic to think that a woman is defined by her reproductive organs and reproductive status. I seriously wouldn't care about getting changed in a communal space with a trans woman even if she hadn't had bottom surgery. she's there to get changed the same as I am.