@Forrest Hobbs You can easily do a web search and confirm all of that information from multiple mainstream news organizations.

I tried and failed. Perhaps you could provide the links here, because they don't exist in my part of the internet. Air traffic controllers have to have the skills needed to do the job and there's no sign that either Obama or Biden decided to hire those without the required skills. The closest I can come to your claim is a Trump-era policy from 2019 seeking to hire suitably skilled people with disabilities - but even though Trump was in charge, the applicants had to demonstrate their ability to do the job. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyeg61pnl5o and https://web.archive.org/web/20241127211628/https://www.faa.gov/jobs/diversity_inclusion/aviation_development_program

You either chose to bend over backwards to avoid an article about the biographical assessment or your web search capabilities are equivalent to my 98 yr old grandpas. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/jan/30/faa-diversity-hiring-practices-scrutiny-long-air-d/. Since I doubt you'll actually read the article here's a quote from it - "The FAA’s focus on diversity began under the Obama administration. In 2013, the FAA started using a “biographical assessment” to increase the hiring of preferred minority racial groups at air traffic control centers". Here's another one for ya https://nypost.com/2025/01/31/us-news/faa-embroiled-in-lawsuit-alleging-it-turned-away-1000-applicants-based-on-race/?utm_source=aol&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=referral

Yeah, but those reports you link to are about unproven allegations. The links I posted show that the real policy ensured everyone hired was competent. The BBC reports a new DEI scheme was introduced under Trump in 2019 to allow the best candidates to get the jobs despite the fact that they weren't white able-bodied men. All these unproven allegations were made by those who want to see white guys getting the job rather than more capable non-white non-guys - white supremacist nonsense. P.S. I'm a white guy. 😘

You are supporting reverse racism as a way to combat *allegations* of current discrimination against non-whites. If you truly want the best candidates to be hired race and gender cannot be a part of the hiring criteria. It is not possible to be non-discriminatory and have race factor into whether you hire someone or not, the two things are contradictory. To combat discrimination with discrimination only divides and breeds racism. There is a reason the Supreme Court ruled against affirmative action in colleges in the US. I do not want to see a white guy get a job, I could not care less what race or gender someone is, I want the most qualified person hired, period. P.S. I am not a white guy.

whiterabbit, you're making no sense at all. The phrase "reverse racism" has no meaning. It's well known that the only way to stop racist and sexist hiring policies is to implement anti-discrimination schemes. What you need is the most capable people in the job and the FAA ensured that all their hires were capable. Having qualifications prior to entering the profession just means you had opportunities denied to others, not that those others are less able. As far as I can tell, the reason the US Supreme Court ruled against affirmative action in colleges was to support white supremacy - but hey, what do I know?

Why am I being down voted for stating the truth? You actually can do a web search and confirm all of the information from multiple mainstream news organizations.

Warren Peece, I tried and failed. What are these "mainstream news organizations" backing up your claims? Air traffic controllers have to have the skills needed to do the job and there's no sign that either Obama or Biden decided to hire those without the required skills. The closest I can come to your claim is a Trump-era policy from 2019 seeking to hire suitably skilled people with disabilities - but even though Trump was in charge, the applicants had to demonstrate their ability to do the job. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyeg61pnl5o and https://web.archive.org/web/20241127211628/https://www.faa.gov/jobs/diversity_inclusion/aviation_development_program

Because this site is extremely liberal biased and that's the only response they're capable of making when they are presented with facts or God forbid a differing opinion. I state a very simple truth and I get called a Russian asset and that apparently our constitution has a major stipulation that nobody has ever heard of. They are incapable of a thoughtful discussion unless your view aligns perfectly with theirs.

😂 What's your problem with people being "biased" in favour of truth and freedom (that is, "liberal") rather than the authoritarian lies you take pleasure in spreading? Is someone paying you to spread your lies, or is your motive pure malicious pleasure? 🤣

@Forrest Hobbs Thankfully I'm not hamerican, although for better or worse I'm from one of the grown-up countries that perpetually has to clean up the f*****g mess you lot make. See the amount of demonstrable lies you've told in this thread, the ridiculous and baseless accusations you've made, your sycophantic desire to bring about The National Socialist People's Democratic Republic of Hamerica where the cult of personality "wins" every election with 117% of the votes, and dissenters are sent to concentration camps along with five generations of their family? The reason Trump is in power has nothing to do with his policies or plans, because he doesn't have any. The vast majority of americans *didn't* want a racist degenerate to be in charge - but the other option was to be subjugated by the delusional extreme left, people like you who want to throw them in jail for thought crimes.

Steve Sharpe, I'm a Brit. I assume you're aiming at some sort of humour, only I don't get it. I see signs of irony and completely over the top sarcasm but can't figure out the joke(s) - I mean, politically I consider myself fairly centrist and moderate, being both economically and socially liberal and conservative ("liberal" as in favouring the most freedom for the most people; "conservative" as in, if it ain't broke, don't fix it - and if a change makes things worse, reverse the change). I'm guessing your characterisation of me as "far left" with all the other silliness in your post forms some sort of joke. I'd appreciate it if you would be so good as to explain. Thanks.

Liberal views and policies equate to bigger government and more regulation. Bigger government = less individual liberties. Why am I even surprised you would actually think larger government equals more freedom.

@whiterabbit: Liberal views and policies = more liberty. Liberal means "in favour of liberty" - the clue is in the words. Why am I even surprised that a lying liar like you would try perpetrating such an obvious lie as this? 😉

Forrest, liberalism in a political sense is much more complex than that: Part 1 - "Like other political doctrines, liberalism is highly sensitive to time and circumstance. Each country’s liberalism is different, and it changes in each generation. The historical development of liberalism over recent centuries has been a movement from mistrust of the state’s power, on the grounds that it tends to be misused, to a willingness to use the power of government to correct perceived inequities in the distribution of wealth resulting from economic competition—inequities that purportedly deprive some people of an equal opportunity to live freely. The expansion of governmental power and responsibility sought by liberals in the 20th century was clearly opposed to the contraction of government advocated by liberals a century earlier."

Part 2 - "In the 19th century liberals generally formed the party of business and the entrepreneurial middle class, but for much of the 20th century they were more likely to work to restrict and regulate business in order to provide greater opportunities for labourers and consumers." -Britannica

That quote dishonestly misrepresents a long and detailed article which begins: "liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics." https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism It's all about freedom. One strand of liberal thinking is to use the power of the state to increase individual liberty. Regulating businesses so that their workers and customers have more liberty: freedom from wage slavery (having to do anything the boss demands), freedom from abusive practices such as dangerous or insecure employment and selling dangerous goods, all that is greater freedom - but of course, many US self-identified "conservatives" argue that such regulations are "large government" (a nonsense term which boils down to "ideologically unsound" or "politically incorrect") and "bad for the economy" which is utter nonsense - regulating businesses including preventing monopolies increases overall wealth and increases overall personal freedom. If being liberal means anything at all, it means being in favour of liberty.

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Lol. It is a fact that the FAA is involved with a class action lawsuit over discriminatory hiring. It is a fact that the Obama administration started the biographical assessment in the FAA. A simple internet search will prove that. You respond by claiming I'm in cahoots with Russia 😂🤣 The Constitution already protects against discrimination in the workplace, DEI is unnecessary. The only way to have actual merit based hiring is if race and gender demographics are not a part of the hiring criteria. When you're riding in a plane do you hope your pilot is the most qualified candidate or do you want them to have a certain skin color?

Constitution consistently only protects wealthy property owners.

@whiterabbit, the reason I like "DEI" type initiatives is that I'd rather the pilot was the best on offer rather than having got the job because they happened to have the "right" skin colour - namely, white, in white-majority nations. I'm a white man myself and I'd rather the anti-white discrimination prevalent in my society didn't *continue* to bar the best people from getting safety critical jobs such as airline pilot. Racist/sexist, unfair, and excusionary hiring practices just lock out the best candidates - hence the need to strive for diversity, equity, and inclusion.

😂 Ah yes - downvoted by another racist bigot. Always the same...