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Grandparents Pressure Son To Cut Kids Off Until They Come To Family Events After Election
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Grandparents Pressure Son To Cut Kids Off Until They Come To Family Events After Election

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For many Americans, this holiday season looks like it might be even more full of tension—and not just related to hosting your family and cooking lavish feasts. Research indicates that the presidential election is a huge source of stress and is causing many people to spend less time with their relatives.

A good rule of thumb is not to touch on any overly sensitive topics when you’re at the dinner table with your family. But when it’s an election year, things tend to get spicy. So much so that some people have decided to avoid meeting their relatives for the holidays altogether. Case in point, one anonymous dad went viral online after explaining how he’s supporting his two daughters who decided to skip out on family Thanksgiving and Christmas this year due to political differences. Scroll down for the full story.

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    Election years can cause a lot of stress among relatives with different political values, especially with Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up

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    A dad turned to the internet for advice after getting stuck in the middle of a drama involving his family, the holidays, and the elections

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    The man later clarified a few things and added more context

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    According to research, many Americans feel stressed due to the election, politics, and thinking about the future of their country

    The American Psychological Association (APA) reports in their poll ‘Stress in America 2024: A Nation in Political Turmoil’ that a jaw-dropping 77% of Americans reported that the future of their nation is a significant source of stress in their lives.

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    73% of respondents said that the economy was also affecting them negatively, while 69% of Americans admitted that the 2024 US presidential election was also a major source of stress.

    Some other common stressors included things like healthcare (55%), crime (54%), the environment (51%), global conflicts (51%), and gun regulations (49%).

    Furthermore, the APA reports that 65% of adult Americans said that housing costs are stressing them out, as well as false news (62%), and the social divisiveness of the US (60%).

    Here’s a bit of historical context to show you that the situation is very similar to what we’ve seen in the recent past. According to the APA poll, 68% of Americans were stressed out due to the presidential elections in 2020, compared to 69% in 2024.

    However, things were, ironically, not quite as bad 8 years ago. Polarization wasn’t as acute in the past. Specifically, in 2016, 52% of Americans stated the presidential election was a source of stress. That’s significantly fewer people than in 2020 and 2024. It’ll be very interesting to see whether the situation improves or deteriorates further 4 years later, in 2028.

    According to the poll, 41% of Americans also reported that they have considered moving to another country due to the existential stress rising from the state of the nation. Around 39% revealed that they’d consider moving to another state. A whopping 64% of respondents opened up that they felt like their rights were under attack.

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    Meanwhile, 32% of Americans said that the current political climate in the US has strained their relationships with their family members. 30% admitted that they limit the time they spend with their family because they don’t share the same values as them.

    What’s happening during the holiday season now is similar to what the US went through in the past

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    For those of you with a good memory, you can probably remember what the atmosphere was like 8 years (aka two US presidential elections) ago. All of this probably feels like déjà vu. You’ve been here before. Many of the tensions and reactions you’re seeing on social media and the internet likely feel very familiar because they’re echoing a similar sentiment to all those years ago.

    No matter your personal political beliefs and who you voted for, you probably also remember people dreading going to family dinners and even considering skipping celebrating the holidays together.

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    It’s possible that you’re one of those people who’ve decided to take a break from meeting up with your family this year to keep the peace and avoid arguments over the election. Or you might be someone who has decided to bite the bullet and go to dinner, regardless of those differences.

    Those choices—whether to skip the holidays or still go—are very personal and there’s no single right answer. Everything depends on your values, beliefs, and family dynamics.

    Some families understand that everyone will see things like politics, religion, etc. differently, but that despite all of this, it’s possible to put those things aside and be civil for the sake of a nice meal together.

    It’s also not a terrible idea to spend some time around people who have different opinions than you to be a more open-minded, well-rounded individual. Actively listening to someone and honestly trying to understand their perspective might reduce the polarization in the country. Of course, this takes into account that both parties put in the effort to be respectful of each other’s views at the table.

    On the flip side, in other families, things aren’t as clear-cut. Some people decide that not sticking up for their principles or values would be tantamount to betraying a core part of themselves.

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    So, they view their political and religious differences with their relatives as something fundamentally at odds with each other. And they suspect that if they do show up for Thanksgiving or Christmas, election discussions will be inevitable. Instead, they decide to take a stand and skip family gatherings. At least this year. After all, nobody likes being preached at or being told their values are ‘wrong.’

    But what are your thoughts, dear Pandas? What would you do if you were in the OP’s shoes? Would you do what he did and support the daughters skipping the family festivities this year? Or would you try to mediate the conflict so that everyone gets together despite their differences? Share your thoughts in the comments, just remember to keep things civil.

    As the online post went viral, the dad interacted with some of the people sharing their thoughts in the comments

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    Here’s what other internet users had to say about the sensitive issue

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    Jonas Grinevičius

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    Storytelling, journalism, and art are a core part of who I am. I've been writing and drawing ever since I could walk—there is nothing else I'd rather do. My formal education, however, is focused on politics, philosophy, and economics because I've always been curious about the gap between the ideal and the real. At work, I'm a Senior Writer and I cover a broad range of topics that I'm passionate about: from psychology and changes in work culture to healthy living, relationships, and design. In my spare time, I'm an avid hiker and reader, enjoy writing short stories, and love to doodle. I thrive when I'm outdoors, going on small adventures in nature. However, you can also find me enjoying a big mug of coffee with a good book (or ten) and entertaining friends with fantasy tabletop games and sci-fi movies.

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    Storytelling, journalism, and art are a core part of who I am. I've been writing and drawing ever since I could walk—there is nothing else I'd rather do. My formal education, however, is focused on politics, philosophy, and economics because I've always been curious about the gap between the ideal and the real. At work, I'm a Senior Writer and I cover a broad range of topics that I'm passionate about: from psychology and changes in work culture to healthy living, relationships, and design. In my spare time, I'm an avid hiker and reader, enjoy writing short stories, and love to doodle. I thrive when I'm outdoors, going on small adventures in nature. However, you can also find me enjoying a big mug of coffee with a good book (or ten) and entertaining friends with fantasy tabletop games and sci-fi movies.

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    Kristen Sharp
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your girls are scared of the president elect. I am completely terrified of what he's going to do, but glad you're trying to hold onto your kids!!

    Vinnie
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyways, his daughters sound like much better company than his family of origin. The OP is a champ!

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    Skogsrået
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good for OP and his kids. People who say it's just politics are wrong, this has gone way way beyond that. Also believe the saying goes: "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb", meaning the bonds you've chosen are more significant than those formed by familial or blood relations. Family that chooses to support someone that wants to hurt you or the ones you love are not family, do yourself a favour and cut them out of your life for good.

    HTakeover
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    4 weeks ago

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    While your point is good, that phrase is a false, albeit comforting, narrative spread in the past few years. It has always been "blood is thicker than water/wine/gold" (depending on the century and civilization. Womb variant didn't appear until the late 1800s while the other goes back at least 900 years with the concepts going back over 3 millennia.

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    FreeTheUnicorn
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's a hard position for OP to be in, but he's doing the right thing. You can't force a relationship on an adult (and you shouldn't force them on a children).

    Verena
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am invited to a wedding in Las Vegas next march. Not going. By this time the whole country will be even fuller with gun nutters and haters. Not worth the money to travel overseas and too risky for a single white woman.

    Bookworm
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Over the next 4 years I fully expect other countries to issue safety warnings to their citizens considering travel to the US, especially women. I can't wait for the oompa loompa in chief to be out of office and ineligible for re-election. Until then I consider myself a presidentless American.

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    DC
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. All truly political issues aside - we can disagree on a lot of things, civilizedly so, and still be friends, loving relatives and such ... well, some of us can... -, the cult following Donald Trump has opted out of reason. Those most moralizing, virginity-praising people around - evangelicals - support a man who is a convicted sexual predator, who literally fücks around whereever a hole on roughly a crotch's level opens up, basically has proudly and openly committed any and every sin mentioned in the bible, in their vast library of stupid pamphlets and so on - but, as he promised them a few crumbs, he's a most mysterious god's way or something. Yeah, sure - would THEIR son behave so, they'd cut him off. Would THEIR daughter be engaged to a similar man, they'd cut her off. Heartless and without second thoughs - given, god's on their side, so why think again? Why think at all, even? All answers have resided in a little book for about 1900 years or so, and many parts are much older. New answers, logic, even accepting scientific facts that don't have many political implications to them, even more so those that have, but are true nonetheless? They won't, the inability to do that is praised and reinforced among people in those cults. Cutting off these people is just the only option to deal with them currently. Evangelicals need to hit rock bottom, be left alone with their delusion, to finally be able to see. Don't brake their fall, push them! Reason and truth, in their view, have a different meaning. Truth is what feels true to them, and serves their purpose of making the US a christian theocracy, with slightly milder racism - they won't do the hanging of negroes for none, supposed, fabricated or minor offense, but will, without any letter of the law stating it, issue more severe sentences, the darker your skin. They won't openly admit being racist, but act with that casual racism, that often credits a "supreme feel for rhythm" to darker humans (... how generous of them to admit ...), but otherwise, every non-formal racist bigotry is to be expected. And, being credited a superiority in some singled-out niche doesn't really cover or compensate the other side of it. Truth is, in their view, not consisting of proven facts and logically sound principles, but arbitrarily is assumed to whatever they feel is right, was nice and ... serves the purpose. It's a rather practice-oriented definition thereof, and that's about as frightening as it gets - a rational human who, by being given wrong information, has become a racist is, at least in principle, able to return to reason, to correct and to adapt their views, habits, decisions. These people are no longer open to any of this. Lesbians? Hated with a passion they never ever applied to any love they feel for anything. The only thing they love is a made-up Jesus who spreads love with an AR15. I think I should congratulate your daughter on the Dad they have. Uncles, aunts, grandparents - well, you don't get to pick these. They suck, you can't do much about that, but at least, you can decide that they're to do that elsewhere. NTA, a few thousand times so!

    DrBronxx
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP and his children are absolutely in the right. (the following is my belief. Even if you don't agree with the belief itself, I don't think there's any arguing the logic behind cutting off family). Trump is a vile man who has shown himself to be racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, and a person who has regularly committed sexual assault. And that's leaving out the felonies and is dire need to literally be a dictator. Now, if you are against those things or not, and the people you love vote for him, they are *bare minimum* telling you that they are at least ok with a racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, rapist, wannabe dictator in charge, who *completely unnecessarily* threatens the lives of millions of people. Your loved ones are telling you they don’t care how this election will affect you. That is a scary thought. I would certainly cut people who vote that direction out of my life.

    Mark Stewart
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a class act OP's mother is wanting her granddaughters to attend family events through financial coercion and not by choice, no wonder she told her to shove it.

    Sand Ers
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She's a maggot. Forcing women to obey with any means available is half of their agenda.

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    StumblingThroughLife
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. What a solid dad, backing his kids. Kudos to him. Also, the OP being able to support them like that is no one's business except his own, tbh. I'd have done the same for mine if I'd been able to afford it.

    MartiBob
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone from the US, I'm convinced this is happening in most families. Tearing us apart over an orange man cult. Also, I want to apologize to the rest of the world. Please know that not everyone in the US is involved in this cult, and we are equally horrified. Voting day was scary, police were guarding the polling place. This won't end well, and we're terrified. Especially if we are female.

    Sand Ers
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Considering that police departments are heavily infested with msggots, seeing them "gaurding" polling places seems just as frightening as seeing them unguarded.

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    Enlee Jones
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Voters of He Who Must Not Be Named better start getting used to spending holidays and birthdays alone.

    jasper
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    4 weeks ago

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    Yah, that won't happen. Most of the country voted for him you know.

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    Sand Ers
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That man's siblings and parents are Nazis, and they did their little part to turn the US into a White-Nationalist Fascist dictatorship. I have actively excluded Nazis from my personal sphere, and that's permanent. I could go on for thousands of words, but there's not really anything left to say. The war is over. The Cylons won.

    Gwyn
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I totally understand where the man's daughters are coming from. After this last election I have no interest in having a relationship with my parents anymore after they voted for Trump. They are voting for things that are motivated by hate - a hate they surely must feel against me and my kids since we are in the demographics they claim are the enemy. We're planning to move away.

    Diana Lucas
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am definitely in yours and your daughters' corner on this one. Way too many Trump supporters sure like to pretend they are good people, but I've found that many of them are terrible people and even worse parents.

    The Starsong Princess
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I thought for a long time that Trump voters were ignorant and just didn’t realize what he was. But now I understand that I was wrong. They understand what he is and they love it. His true gift is his ability to understand what people want in the dark, sick part of their soul , to bring it out and make it mainstream. The racism, misogyny, transphobia and cruelty is the point and what they voted for. I hope they choke on it because Trump has screwed over everyone who ever sold their soul to him and they are going to find this out. In the meantime, spend your holidays elsewhere.

    FluffyDreg
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some of it is ignorance. People ultimately perceive what they WANT to perceive. If they WANT to see trump as someone who's kind and loving to everyone no matter what they look like, they will... and its dangerous.

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    Guess Undheit
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The adult children are women, one is a lesbian. The "family" voted for the legalization of r@pe, and they whine because the two women and responsible father cut them off. Anyone who has a problem with is decision is likely a r@pist who wants to commit r@pe.

    Seedy Vine
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP did the right thing by supporting his kids. Funny how proudly hateful, abusive family members always expect to be showered with love.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mouthy morons seem to think that their words/actions have no consequences and nothing can be further from the truth. "Those people" have spent *years* mouthing off about the Biden election and everything that followed while pointing fingers and screaming about a stolen election. They have been bit¢hing and crying and talking $hit for years and the people who were forced to endure them are now just over it. The younger folks chose to absent themselves from the situation because, hey, it's their choice (more power to them!) and the old grumps STILL feel like they can control the behavior of other people cause, apparently, they have more to say. Those young folks need to tell them to FO and establish their own traditions that don't involve a bunch of hateful bigots who feel like their are entitled to order people around. Go screw yourselves you nasty old crones, and anyone else who espouses that agenda. I know I'm gonna get jumped on by the soft-headed sycophants of the orange, but 🤷

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That update makes me sad - why do people drag people they have never met like that? I enforced a no politics rule in the family chat because we are all so polar and my brother and I got into it at a family lunch one day - my gay Trumpist brother... lol. If your kids have been exposed to their rhetoric and choose to not be subjected to it, good on them, glad dad is supportive!

    Sherribobbins
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They call gay republicans log cabin republicans. I'm not sure why. I should look it up sometime. It seems like a bad idea to vote for someone who wishes you didn't exist or are a plight on humanity. I can't imagine voting for someone like Trump as a member of the LGBTQIA crew. Much less, already as a woman. I'm past the age of pregnancy, and I only have two male children, but I still didn't vote for the felon.

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    Mr. Karate
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is for these things that the vote is secret... Everyone believes that they have the right to tell you who you should vote for, and if you don't do what they want you become an enemy, that's why I give an apolitical image... I never say who I'm going to support or who I'm going to vote for. , that only concerns me and no one else...

    Sand Ers
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you vote for Nazis, you are the enemy. We fought a war that killed millions of people trying to wipe the stain of Nazism off the earth. It didn't work. And the Nazis have seized control of the US. People seem to think WWIII is going to be the West (including the US) against Russia and possibly China. If it does happen, it's going to be the Fascist US and Russia and possibly China against the civilzed world. I don't see civilization faring well in that conflict.

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    Sherribobbins
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I heard some comedian make a point. America had a historical presidential race, where the people would rather vote for the first felon president instead of the first female or woman of color. It makes me nauseated it's gotten this bad. It's been a sad month.

    Mark Childers
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good for him. The next four years are going to be very hard on his daughters, and the last thing they need is to hear it from their own family.

    Scott Rackley
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, my brother is hosting Thanksgiving this year. I told him the first time I hear some Trump maga BS I'm bouncing. It's not him, it's a couple cousins. I expect I won't be staying long because it's their entire personality.

    Donkey boi
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A simple set of rules that all members of my family are taught from a very young age for any family function: 1) NO POLITICS! At all! end of discussion! 2) Respect religions (most are Catholic, many are atheist, a few Hindo & others). If it's a religious event, you respect traditions/services. You don't have to take part, but you don't spout your mouth off or take the p**s. 3) Sports can be discussed, but you have to respect other teams (I think you have to compliment them or something. IDK I don't like sports). 4) Any so called 'controversial' opinions WILL be met with discussion, because we are such a varied lot, so only bring it up if you won't get upset when asked about or challenged. 5) Meat will be there! Over half of us are fecking farmers, if you are, or are bringing, a vegan or veggie, then there will be options, but beef is in our blood. Follow the rules and the family stays good. Break the rules and you'll be turfed out or likely end up unconscious.

    Janelle Collard
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This exact situation will be happening all over the US this year. It's hard when people pick politics over what's good for their families.

    Captain Grump
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not "politics" FFS, it's endorsing fascism, hate, and persecution of women, lgbtq folks, etc. It's rewarding a f**king rapist and felon. My loyalty to my own family does not extend to overlooking vile behaviour.

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    Jocelyn
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, my mother had one last chance to choose me over her politics. She didn’t. She and her equally disgusting sisters still haven’t figured out that I am going to live with my biological father’s family in the UK in a few months. I have been moving in the shadows. Egg donor and her sisters will receive a letter after I’ve left the country, because I wouldn’t put it past at least one of the aunts to kidnap me for “reeducation” and/or to murder me, given she has sincerely threatened to murder other democrats.

    TTorrest Author
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The question at the end of this article is phrased wrong. Support of DJT goes well beyond "political differences" and why stories like this one about families being torn apart are becoming all too common. It's not about politics anymore; it's about how DJT has exposed the previously hidden ugly truth about people we thought we knew.

    Leoninus Fate
    Community Member
    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    like a good Chuck {think like 98%} of Reddit has the same IQ as Trump so its no wonder they like that {and i know for a fact most of Reddit {think 99.9%} is made of up people that came from 4Chan back when it was a mess

    Chickie
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    4 weeks ago

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    What a shame that in today's world that people cannot keep negative comments to theirselves. Listen, everyone has a right to their opinion. However, if it causes problems in a family, politics should be left at the door. What's more important...family or politics?

    Sunny Day
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    4 weeks ago

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    "Educated women (people) with opinions of their own and the strength to stand up for what they think is right is incredibly infuriating and scary...." --- that goes both ways in this scenario. The daughters do not respect the different opinions of the elders, and the elders decisions and opinions have nothing to do with daughters life choices. Newsflash - NO ONE agrees 100% with any candidate's positions on issues. You might agree with 80%, or 50%, or you might think they're an idiot but the other side is worse. Whatever voting decision is made is not made "so Pookie won't be offended". It is much bigger than Pookie or Pookie's feelings.

    Tamra
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No. There IS NO reason a gay woman should respect someone who voted for a man who is responsible for the current hate against LGBTQ. Those elders' decisions to vote for the orange felon DIRECTLY impacts their lives, and they have every reason to cut contact.

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    RAM31280
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    4 weeks ago

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    NTA, OP is stuck in the middle and shouldn't be chastised for not forcing his adult children to attend family gatherings. If the grandkids are so intolerant that they want to cut people out of their life for marking a box on an election form they are choosing to live a lonely life.

    Sand Ers
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "If you refuse to socialize with Nazis, you're intolerant". If openly embracing Fascism isn't enough, at what point do we get to cut them out of our lives?

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    Manny
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    4 weeks ago

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    More entitled college idiots that are still too young to see how the world works. If they are like this now it'll just get worse for them when they get older

    Wheeskers
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    4 weeks ago

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    Oh the maturity of you all. Adults leave politics, sex and religion out of the conversation and simply enjoy the presence of your loved ones. But the attitudes here don't surprise at all.

    Rayne OfSalt
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nah. I don't share love with people who vote for folk that want me and mine dead. You're not mature, you're an excuser.

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    T.O.S.o.R.
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    4 weeks ago

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    Blood is thicker than water, meaning family is always more important. That's what my mom always said when I was younger. If I rejected every member of my family that disagreed with my political views, I'd lose half my family. I'm not willing to give that up!

    Bernd Herbert
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But those family members don't simply have a different political view, but they voted for someone, who is a rapist and mysoginist, a moron and who will enable every racist and mysoginist to, and this will especially have an effect on the two daughters, one of which is queer. the daughter in this story was right: The family members put their vote for the orange clown over their own family members. Why would they hang around with these people?

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    Kristen Sharp
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your girls are scared of the president elect. I am completely terrified of what he's going to do, but glad you're trying to hold onto your kids!!

    Vinnie
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyways, his daughters sound like much better company than his family of origin. The OP is a champ!

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    Skogsrået
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good for OP and his kids. People who say it's just politics are wrong, this has gone way way beyond that. Also believe the saying goes: "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb", meaning the bonds you've chosen are more significant than those formed by familial or blood relations. Family that chooses to support someone that wants to hurt you or the ones you love are not family, do yourself a favour and cut them out of your life for good.

    HTakeover
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    4 weeks ago

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    While your point is good, that phrase is a false, albeit comforting, narrative spread in the past few years. It has always been "blood is thicker than water/wine/gold" (depending on the century and civilization. Womb variant didn't appear until the late 1800s while the other goes back at least 900 years with the concepts going back over 3 millennia.

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    FreeTheUnicorn
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's a hard position for OP to be in, but he's doing the right thing. You can't force a relationship on an adult (and you shouldn't force them on a children).

    Verena
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am invited to a wedding in Las Vegas next march. Not going. By this time the whole country will be even fuller with gun nutters and haters. Not worth the money to travel overseas and too risky for a single white woman.

    Bookworm
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Over the next 4 years I fully expect other countries to issue safety warnings to their citizens considering travel to the US, especially women. I can't wait for the oompa loompa in chief to be out of office and ineligible for re-election. Until then I consider myself a presidentless American.

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    DC
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. All truly political issues aside - we can disagree on a lot of things, civilizedly so, and still be friends, loving relatives and such ... well, some of us can... -, the cult following Donald Trump has opted out of reason. Those most moralizing, virginity-praising people around - evangelicals - support a man who is a convicted sexual predator, who literally fücks around whereever a hole on roughly a crotch's level opens up, basically has proudly and openly committed any and every sin mentioned in the bible, in their vast library of stupid pamphlets and so on - but, as he promised them a few crumbs, he's a most mysterious god's way or something. Yeah, sure - would THEIR son behave so, they'd cut him off. Would THEIR daughter be engaged to a similar man, they'd cut her off. Heartless and without second thoughs - given, god's on their side, so why think again? Why think at all, even? All answers have resided in a little book for about 1900 years or so, and many parts are much older. New answers, logic, even accepting scientific facts that don't have many political implications to them, even more so those that have, but are true nonetheless? They won't, the inability to do that is praised and reinforced among people in those cults. Cutting off these people is just the only option to deal with them currently. Evangelicals need to hit rock bottom, be left alone with their delusion, to finally be able to see. Don't brake their fall, push them! Reason and truth, in their view, have a different meaning. Truth is what feels true to them, and serves their purpose of making the US a christian theocracy, with slightly milder racism - they won't do the hanging of negroes for none, supposed, fabricated or minor offense, but will, without any letter of the law stating it, issue more severe sentences, the darker your skin. They won't openly admit being racist, but act with that casual racism, that often credits a "supreme feel for rhythm" to darker humans (... how generous of them to admit ...), but otherwise, every non-formal racist bigotry is to be expected. And, being credited a superiority in some singled-out niche doesn't really cover or compensate the other side of it. Truth is, in their view, not consisting of proven facts and logically sound principles, but arbitrarily is assumed to whatever they feel is right, was nice and ... serves the purpose. It's a rather practice-oriented definition thereof, and that's about as frightening as it gets - a rational human who, by being given wrong information, has become a racist is, at least in principle, able to return to reason, to correct and to adapt their views, habits, decisions. These people are no longer open to any of this. Lesbians? Hated with a passion they never ever applied to any love they feel for anything. The only thing they love is a made-up Jesus who spreads love with an AR15. I think I should congratulate your daughter on the Dad they have. Uncles, aunts, grandparents - well, you don't get to pick these. They suck, you can't do much about that, but at least, you can decide that they're to do that elsewhere. NTA, a few thousand times so!

    DrBronxx
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP and his children are absolutely in the right. (the following is my belief. Even if you don't agree with the belief itself, I don't think there's any arguing the logic behind cutting off family). Trump is a vile man who has shown himself to be racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, and a person who has regularly committed sexual assault. And that's leaving out the felonies and is dire need to literally be a dictator. Now, if you are against those things or not, and the people you love vote for him, they are *bare minimum* telling you that they are at least ok with a racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, rapist, wannabe dictator in charge, who *completely unnecessarily* threatens the lives of millions of people. Your loved ones are telling you they don’t care how this election will affect you. That is a scary thought. I would certainly cut people who vote that direction out of my life.

    Mark Stewart
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a class act OP's mother is wanting her granddaughters to attend family events through financial coercion and not by choice, no wonder she told her to shove it.

    Sand Ers
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She's a maggot. Forcing women to obey with any means available is half of their agenda.

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    StumblingThroughLife
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. What a solid dad, backing his kids. Kudos to him. Also, the OP being able to support them like that is no one's business except his own, tbh. I'd have done the same for mine if I'd been able to afford it.

    MartiBob
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone from the US, I'm convinced this is happening in most families. Tearing us apart over an orange man cult. Also, I want to apologize to the rest of the world. Please know that not everyone in the US is involved in this cult, and we are equally horrified. Voting day was scary, police were guarding the polling place. This won't end well, and we're terrified. Especially if we are female.

    Sand Ers
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Considering that police departments are heavily infested with msggots, seeing them "gaurding" polling places seems just as frightening as seeing them unguarded.

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    Enlee Jones
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Voters of He Who Must Not Be Named better start getting used to spending holidays and birthdays alone.

    jasper
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    4 weeks ago

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    Yah, that won't happen. Most of the country voted for him you know.

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    Sand Ers
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That man's siblings and parents are Nazis, and they did their little part to turn the US into a White-Nationalist Fascist dictatorship. I have actively excluded Nazis from my personal sphere, and that's permanent. I could go on for thousands of words, but there's not really anything left to say. The war is over. The Cylons won.

    Gwyn
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I totally understand where the man's daughters are coming from. After this last election I have no interest in having a relationship with my parents anymore after they voted for Trump. They are voting for things that are motivated by hate - a hate they surely must feel against me and my kids since we are in the demographics they claim are the enemy. We're planning to move away.

    Diana Lucas
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am definitely in yours and your daughters' corner on this one. Way too many Trump supporters sure like to pretend they are good people, but I've found that many of them are terrible people and even worse parents.

    The Starsong Princess
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I thought for a long time that Trump voters were ignorant and just didn’t realize what he was. But now I understand that I was wrong. They understand what he is and they love it. His true gift is his ability to understand what people want in the dark, sick part of their soul , to bring it out and make it mainstream. The racism, misogyny, transphobia and cruelty is the point and what they voted for. I hope they choke on it because Trump has screwed over everyone who ever sold their soul to him and they are going to find this out. In the meantime, spend your holidays elsewhere.

    FluffyDreg
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some of it is ignorance. People ultimately perceive what they WANT to perceive. If they WANT to see trump as someone who's kind and loving to everyone no matter what they look like, they will... and its dangerous.

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    Guess Undheit
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The adult children are women, one is a lesbian. The "family" voted for the legalization of r@pe, and they whine because the two women and responsible father cut them off. Anyone who has a problem with is decision is likely a r@pist who wants to commit r@pe.

    Seedy Vine
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP did the right thing by supporting his kids. Funny how proudly hateful, abusive family members always expect to be showered with love.

    Mike F
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The mouthy morons seem to think that their words/actions have no consequences and nothing can be further from the truth. "Those people" have spent *years* mouthing off about the Biden election and everything that followed while pointing fingers and screaming about a stolen election. They have been bit¢hing and crying and talking $hit for years and the people who were forced to endure them are now just over it. The younger folks chose to absent themselves from the situation because, hey, it's their choice (more power to them!) and the old grumps STILL feel like they can control the behavior of other people cause, apparently, they have more to say. Those young folks need to tell them to FO and establish their own traditions that don't involve a bunch of hateful bigots who feel like their are entitled to order people around. Go screw yourselves you nasty old crones, and anyone else who espouses that agenda. I know I'm gonna get jumped on by the soft-headed sycophants of the orange, but 🤷

    KatSaidWhat
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    4 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That update makes me sad - why do people drag people they have never met like that? I enforced a no politics rule in the family chat because we are all so polar and my brother and I got into it at a family lunch one day - my gay Trumpist brother... lol. If your kids have been exposed to their rhetoric and choose to not be subjected to it, good on them, glad dad is supportive!

    Sherribobbins
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They call gay republicans log cabin republicans. I'm not sure why. I should look it up sometime. It seems like a bad idea to vote for someone who wishes you didn't exist or are a plight on humanity. I can't imagine voting for someone like Trump as a member of the LGBTQIA crew. Much less, already as a woman. I'm past the age of pregnancy, and I only have two male children, but I still didn't vote for the felon.

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    Mr. Karate
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is for these things that the vote is secret... Everyone believes that they have the right to tell you who you should vote for, and if you don't do what they want you become an enemy, that's why I give an apolitical image... I never say who I'm going to support or who I'm going to vote for. , that only concerns me and no one else...

    Sand Ers
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you vote for Nazis, you are the enemy. We fought a war that killed millions of people trying to wipe the stain of Nazism off the earth. It didn't work. And the Nazis have seized control of the US. People seem to think WWIII is going to be the West (including the US) against Russia and possibly China. If it does happen, it's going to be the Fascist US and Russia and possibly China against the civilzed world. I don't see civilization faring well in that conflict.

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    Sherribobbins
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I heard some comedian make a point. America had a historical presidential race, where the people would rather vote for the first felon president instead of the first female or woman of color. It makes me nauseated it's gotten this bad. It's been a sad month.

    Mark Childers
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good for him. The next four years are going to be very hard on his daughters, and the last thing they need is to hear it from their own family.

    Scott Rackley
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, my brother is hosting Thanksgiving this year. I told him the first time I hear some Trump maga BS I'm bouncing. It's not him, it's a couple cousins. I expect I won't be staying long because it's their entire personality.

    Donkey boi
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A simple set of rules that all members of my family are taught from a very young age for any family function: 1) NO POLITICS! At all! end of discussion! 2) Respect religions (most are Catholic, many are atheist, a few Hindo & others). If it's a religious event, you respect traditions/services. You don't have to take part, but you don't spout your mouth off or take the p**s. 3) Sports can be discussed, but you have to respect other teams (I think you have to compliment them or something. IDK I don't like sports). 4) Any so called 'controversial' opinions WILL be met with discussion, because we are such a varied lot, so only bring it up if you won't get upset when asked about or challenged. 5) Meat will be there! Over half of us are fecking farmers, if you are, or are bringing, a vegan or veggie, then there will be options, but beef is in our blood. Follow the rules and the family stays good. Break the rules and you'll be turfed out or likely end up unconscious.

    Janelle Collard
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This exact situation will be happening all over the US this year. It's hard when people pick politics over what's good for their families.

    Captain Grump
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not "politics" FFS, it's endorsing fascism, hate, and persecution of women, lgbtq folks, etc. It's rewarding a f**king rapist and felon. My loyalty to my own family does not extend to overlooking vile behaviour.

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    Jocelyn
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, my mother had one last chance to choose me over her politics. She didn’t. She and her equally disgusting sisters still haven’t figured out that I am going to live with my biological father’s family in the UK in a few months. I have been moving in the shadows. Egg donor and her sisters will receive a letter after I’ve left the country, because I wouldn’t put it past at least one of the aunts to kidnap me for “reeducation” and/or to murder me, given she has sincerely threatened to murder other democrats.

    TTorrest Author
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The question at the end of this article is phrased wrong. Support of DJT goes well beyond "political differences" and why stories like this one about families being torn apart are becoming all too common. It's not about politics anymore; it's about how DJT has exposed the previously hidden ugly truth about people we thought we knew.

    Leoninus Fate
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    like a good Chuck {think like 98%} of Reddit has the same IQ as Trump so its no wonder they like that {and i know for a fact most of Reddit {think 99.9%} is made of up people that came from 4Chan back when it was a mess

    Chickie
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    4 weeks ago

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    What a shame that in today's world that people cannot keep negative comments to theirselves. Listen, everyone has a right to their opinion. However, if it causes problems in a family, politics should be left at the door. What's more important...family or politics?

    Sunny Day
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    4 weeks ago

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    "Educated women (people) with opinions of their own and the strength to stand up for what they think is right is incredibly infuriating and scary...." --- that goes both ways in this scenario. The daughters do not respect the different opinions of the elders, and the elders decisions and opinions have nothing to do with daughters life choices. Newsflash - NO ONE agrees 100% with any candidate's positions on issues. You might agree with 80%, or 50%, or you might think they're an idiot but the other side is worse. Whatever voting decision is made is not made "so Pookie won't be offended". It is much bigger than Pookie or Pookie's feelings.

    Tamra
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No. There IS NO reason a gay woman should respect someone who voted for a man who is responsible for the current hate against LGBTQ. Those elders' decisions to vote for the orange felon DIRECTLY impacts their lives, and they have every reason to cut contact.

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    RAM31280
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    4 weeks ago

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    NTA, OP is stuck in the middle and shouldn't be chastised for not forcing his adult children to attend family gatherings. If the grandkids are so intolerant that they want to cut people out of their life for marking a box on an election form they are choosing to live a lonely life.

    Sand Ers
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "If you refuse to socialize with Nazis, you're intolerant". If openly embracing Fascism isn't enough, at what point do we get to cut them out of our lives?

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    Manny
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    4 weeks ago

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    More entitled college idiots that are still too young to see how the world works. If they are like this now it'll just get worse for them when they get older

    Wheeskers
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    4 weeks ago

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    Oh the maturity of you all. Adults leave politics, sex and religion out of the conversation and simply enjoy the presence of your loved ones. But the attitudes here don't surprise at all.

    Rayne OfSalt
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nah. I don't share love with people who vote for folk that want me and mine dead. You're not mature, you're an excuser.

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    T.O.S.o.R.
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    4 weeks ago

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    Blood is thicker than water, meaning family is always more important. That's what my mom always said when I was younger. If I rejected every member of my family that disagreed with my political views, I'd lose half my family. I'm not willing to give that up!

    Bernd Herbert
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But those family members don't simply have a different political view, but they voted for someone, who is a rapist and mysoginist, a moron and who will enable every racist and mysoginist to, and this will especially have an effect on the two daughters, one of which is queer. the daughter in this story was right: The family members put their vote for the orange clown over their own family members. Why would they hang around with these people?

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