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From retail chains to online marketplaces, some businesses allow customers to try out their products before they decide to buy them. And it’s kind of convenient. But today, more and more companies looking for employees implement the "try before you buy" concept and expect their applicants to work for free as part of the recruitment process.

Think of trial assignments ranging from presentations to entire projects all made for free. And what if a job opening doesn't even exist? No wonder it's so controversial. Liz Ryan, the CEO of Human Workplace, has recently shared an illuminating thread about one such instance which stirred a solid debate on Twitter.

Liz tweeted: “I met a woman who applied for an events planning job. She interviewed for the job and they said, We want you to plan and execute an event for us as a test, so we can see how well you do.” Turns out, “there was no job opening” in the first place and “they placed an ad for a full-time events planner just to try to rope someone into planning and executing a job fair for them—for free.”

As enraging as it sounds, this is all too common among job seekers. So now people with similar experiences took it to Liz’s thread to share how employers, hiring managers, and business owners have tried to outsmart them.

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Bored Panda reached out to Liz Ryan, the author of this viral Twitter thread. Liz is a keynote speaker, multiple book author and the founder and CEO of Human Workplace. Human Workplace helps working people, job seekers and leaders navigate the human side of work. Liz also shares super useful daily advice on Twitter, so make sure to follow her!

“Whether it’s a conscious effort to get free work out of job candidates or not, it’s very common for the hiring process to include an involuntary ‘donation’ of unpaid labor,” Liz told us. “Sometimes it’s an interview that feels more like an unpaid consulting session, where the candidate explains how they would solve a business problem while the interviewer furiously scribbles down notes that will be used by the company later to solve the problem—without hiring the applicant.”

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    Virgil Blue
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Since they rejected it plus did not pay him I'm pretty sure it's still his copyright.

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    Liz continued: “Sometimes it’s a take-home project that the candidate is required to complete if they want to stay in the recruiting pipeline. I’ve heard from candidates who have been asked to take on 30- to 40-hour projects, unpaid, just to remain in the process.”

    She urges jobseekers to be on the lookout because sometimes, there isn’t even a job opening. “The company may not intend to hire anyone. I saw a startup CEO tell a room full of business people from a conference stage that he regularly posts fake job ads and interviews candidates just to get their ideas—for free,” Liz said.

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    Alma Muminovic
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lol it sounds super suspicious when they ask you to make something. Pretty sure that’s what a portfolio is for..

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    Ozacoter
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sadly most animal related jobs take advantage that animals lovers are often willing to work for free. Most places I have worked on exploit this and have mostly "interns" working with the same responsibilities as a worker but no pay.

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    “My advice to jobseekers is to trust your instinct. After all, your trusty gut evolved over millennia to keep you safe. Listen to it!” And if you feel that your time and talents are being taken for granted in a recruiting process, walk away, Liz argues. “There’s another employer out there that deserves you on their team more than this one does.”

    However, “if you submit any written work to an employer as part of the hiring process, add ‘original work by [your name], not to be used without express permission’ and the date.”

    Having said that, Liz added that this isn’t foolproof. “An organization unscrupulous enough to try to steal your ideas won’t necessarily respect this boundary either—but it may stop them from using your work in, let’s say, a product brochure or on their website.”

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    NJWanderer
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She is not the first, it happened to me, and she won't be the last. Know who YOU are interviewing.

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    Laura Edwards
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would be very careful if doing this. If you are not an employee and there is any complication ( allergic reaction, chipped tooth, etc.) You could be held liable as you are not yet under their insurance. Never underestimate people who will throw you under a bus.

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    Moreover, Liz shared advice on things you could say in an interview if you’re asked to solve a problem in excruciating detail. “You can say, ‘I can walk you through exactly how I would put together your marketing plan [for instance]—that is, the steps I would follow to get there. I can’t tell you what that plan will look like, as I sit here right now, because I don’t know your situation well enough yet.’”

    Another way to respond is to say “‘I don’t know enough about your goals, your competition, your product mix or any of the other relevant factors to design your marketing plan here and now’; ‘Here’s how I would gather the information I need to put that plan together…’”

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    add a line of superfluous code that can work as a signature to prove you own it, not the company?

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    Anna Banana
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Was it in the terms of the contest? Because that's usually what those types of contests are for.

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    Ozacoter
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes its very common in lower paying jobs. Some years ago I applied for a job at a plant store and they demanded that i worked 2 days for free before deciding to hire me. Sure...

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    Meanwhile, in terms of take-home assignments, some people are comfortable donating one hour of work. “If you’re asked to do more than one hour of work for free at home, you can let the hiring manager or recruiter know that you’d be happy to complete the assignment on a consulting basis—and let them know your hourly fee,” Liz said.

    When asked what the recruitment consultant thinks of unpaid internships, Liz said that they are also unethical: "they should be abolished.”

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At least this Xerxes guy can unleash the might of the Persian Empire against these scammers. Wait until the "Immortals" show up at their corporate HQ.

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think a lot of places charge "rent" to their salon employees (who aren't actually employees, but rather "independent contractors") for having a space/chair to cut hair or whatever, and the salon employee then sets their own prices and the salon owner gets a cut off their profits.

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would coming up with a marketing plan be part of buying it tho? Sounds suspicious from the bat.

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not sure why Wilvanders comment was downvoted os much. It might not apply to all, but it certainly applies to many' charities'

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    Alma Muminovic
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats his bad for showing up for a month without some type of contract signed. But this is something he can take to small claims court if he can prove he was there and did the labor. A month is a long time to screw someone. I had a job that said weekly pay was 400-800$ and when I went to the interview it seemed sketch and I said I had another interview the next day and would let them know. They seemed offended. But anytime there is a pay thats a range it means it’s a scam, cause the pay is suppose to be set. Also they seemed too eager which was suspicious in and of itself.

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    Brooke Weber
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This happened to my mom years ago! Plagiarized her literally word for word on a big PR article. She's still bitter Years later... I don't blame her!

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    Courtney Lunsford
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok little angry man.. yup you have the ability to fire someone from all of London... when they never worked for you... lmao

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you have your own business, you work for free until you make a deal or a sale. Can make the most but is also the most risky.

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are a real gem...thats how it should be .....crunchy mama

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    Alma Muminovic
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh god pyramid schemes are the worst! I had a couple try to rope me into one once, they wouldn’t tell me the pitch till like the 3rd meeting and at which point the guy starts trying to explain it to me and starts drawing little “triangles” all over the paper. So Im like “ohhh like a pyramid scheme.” He’s like “well we don’t like to call it that.” And I said, “you may not like to but your sitting here drawing little pyramids in front of me.” He seemed offended. I told them no thanks and boogied on outta there.

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    advice5cents
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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Working for salary isn't the same as working for free, but I'll bite. Damn the man!

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    2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most places I've worked that pay under the table try to convince you that it's a perk they offer. "No social security! No unemployment insurance! No PTO. And if you get hurt on the premises, we'll deny knowing you!"

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    2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You actually sign 3 new clients and recover past due balances, and they didn't hire you right away? They were so stupid!

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    If it's all true, they did the defamation themselves when they acted like that

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    2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is illegal. If you produce something as a "test" or "trial" for employment, you still own it. You can sue them for not only what they should have paid you, but for all money derived from your work. It's only theirs if you are a regular employee of theirs when you make it.