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Woman Upset Over Her Daughter’s School Offering Only Halal Meat From Now On, Rants Online

Woman Upset Over Her Daughter’s School Offering Only Halal Meat From Now On, Rants Online

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Many people have food preferences, but some also deal with dietary restrictions due to allergies or other health conditions. Needless to say, these restrictions usually significantly limit the variety of meals an individual might enjoy.

One of these people is the OP’s daughter, who is both dairy and gluten intolerant. Recently, her school switched to serving only halal meat, which her mom doesn’t allow her to eat. Now, the girl’s options are so limited that she basically has only one meal there. So, her mom turned to the internet to ask whether it was unreasonable for her to want non-halal meat options at school.

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Having dietary restrictions significantly limits a person’s food choices, and when preferences are added into the mix, the options can become virtually non-existent

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The author of today’s post is unhappy that her daughter’s school now serves only halal meat, which she thinks is cruel to offer to her girl

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The girl also has dairy and gluten intolerance, which already limits the foods she can eat

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Now, since she’s unable to eat halal meat, the daughter can only eat one meal, so her mom went online to ask whether expecting non-halal meat options is so terrible

The school of the original poster’s daughter offers only halal meat options for lunch. The word “halal” describes everything that is allowed under the teachings of Islam, thus halal meat is permissible for Muslims to eat. 

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You might wonder: what makes this meat so special that Muslims are permitted to eat only it? Well, what differentiates it from other meats is the method of slaughter. Before slaughter, animals need to be raised in humane and hygienic conditions, and fed only vegetarian food and grass. 

Then, a method called “dhabihah” is used. Basically, it involves making a swift and deep incision in the animal’s throat with a sharp knife, cutting the trachea, jugular veins, and carotid arteries while leaving the spinal cord intact. Only one animal can be slaughtered at a time, as others cannot witness the death. While all of this is being done, the butcher must call upon Allah’s name for each animal. 

The OP views this slaughter method as overly cruel and doesn’t want her child to eat meat obtained this way. Some would agree that it is a cruel method, but others might disagree. 

They would say that this kind of slaughter can be as humane as it is conventional, as long as it’s performed properly. In fact, some might even say that it can be more humane, as the quick act of slitting the animal’s throat doesn’t leave any time for them to feel pain. Contrary to the conventional methods, where animals are stunned before butchering, there’s no guarantee that they won’t feel the pain. 

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Well, seeing as there are different views on this, we can’t agree with or debunk the OP’s stance. What we can do is acknowledge how she feels. In her post, she also said that her views do not, in any way, discuss the healthiness of halal meat. Well, if she doesn’t want to discuss that in her post, then neither will we. 

Apart from all of this, the author’s daughter is both dairy and gluten intolerant, which limits her options for lunch even further. Typically, foods that don’t contain either of those ingredients are meat, fish, fruits and veggies, potatoes, rice, corn, or anything labeled “gluten-free and dairy-free.” 

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In school, the girl can’t eat meat, because, as we acknowledged, it is halal, and her mom doesn’t like it. Then, knowing that school cafeterias don’t offer every single known food, her options are very limited. Actually, the only meal she can eat every day is a jacket potato with beans. 

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Eating the same thing over and over again is not only boring but can be bad for your health, too. Our gut microbiomes need a variety of foods to achieve a healthy balance. Plus, a lack of diversity can lead to nutrient deficiencies, as the body wouldn’t get enough of the necessary vitamins, minerals, protein, and healthy fats. 

So, all of this combined is the reason why this girl’s mom became this post’s OP. She vented about halal meat being the only option at school and asked whether her wishing there would be more choices made her unreasonable. 

There were a few people who said she wasn’t being unreasonable and their justification was that, since they don’t live in Muslim countries, they should have an option for non-halal meat. They also argued that, since the girl has specific dietary restrictions, she should have a special menu catered to her. 

Others said that the woman shouldn’t expect the school to cater to every single kid’s food preferences, as it would cost way too much. And even if they did provide non-halal meat, it likely wouldn’t be any more ethical. 

Some suggested the mom prepare lunches at home instead of relying on the school’s cafeteria, but she said that she has tried that and it didn’t work – the girl didn’t eat her lunch, possibly due to sensory issues. 

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This leaves the situation kind of unresolved. Some people think it’s reasonable to expect schools to cater to a specific child’s diet, while others don’t. Just as many things in life – the answer depends on the person. We just hope that this mom will find a way to diversify her daughter’s school lunches, even if that means it’s without meat.

Some people online thought it was logical for her to expect that, while others pointed out that it’s unrealistic to expect schools to cater to every single student

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Ace
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I suspect more of a motivation than animal welfare here. If the mom really cared she'd be more upset by the much worse conditions that factory produced chickens are kept in, compared with the much higher welfare standards required for Halal.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Conventional" livestock is slaughtered in basically the same way in Western culture - the cow or pig is hoisted up by a hind leg and a blade is used to slice the animal's neck (arteries/veins) to kill it via bleeding it to death. That's EXACTLY how halal meat animals are killed - cut with a blade in order to bleed it to death. OP is so self-righteous about how she feels about halal slaughter when it's not all that different from how Western cultures slaughter livestock. The only difference is that in conventional slaughter, the animal is (theoretically) stunned before its throat is cut (via a bolt fired into its skull, via gassing it, or via electrical shock) but there's plenty of cited studies/proof out there that show that stunning is rarely perfect and sometimes the animal is NOT unconscious/stunned when it's slaughtered. If slaughtering an animal in a halal fashion is "wrong", then ALL slaughter is wrong, since we can't guarantee that the animal doesn't feel pain as it dies.

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Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Halal method of slaughter has always disturbed me as a Muslim kid. I saw it first hand... Sad to see so many ppl so misinformed in the comments down here. The animals have their throats slit and they thrash around in pain for minutes before they die... Yhe it is not pleasant... Currently in europe most countries employ an instant kill method with a lethal sock or a bolt to the brain stem. Instant death so fast that the nerves do no have time to shoot pain signals... BECAUSE LAWS have been put in place to reduce animal cruelty (More still needs to be done tho with the farming methods) As a Muslim apostate myself I ask. Why is Islamophobia bad? I don't understand it. Why defend something you are not informed about? It is compassion? Compassion for my fellow humans is why i left Islam... Seeing how women are treated. How gay ppl are prosecuted or "not existing" because it is against allah's design. Would you defend the "pray the gay away" Christians? It is the default in Islam...

Rayne OfSalt
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Really? Europe still allows that? Cos here in Australia, Muslims decided that giving the animal a ceremonial little nick that bled a tiny bit still counted as halal and modern instant kill methods could then be used.

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Sarah Matsoukis
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The way these animals live before being killed is a bigger problem but aside from that just pack her lunch yourself like most parents worldwide.

Nimitz
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I grew up in ranch country. I've seen regular slaughterhouses (nightmares) and I've seen Halal kill floors (vomit). I really don't think there's anything wrong in asking not to be served Halal meat. Regular slaughter involves stunning the animal or electrocuting it before hooking their feet into a lift and jamming a trocar into their jugular and draining the blood from the body. The Halal kill floor I saw did not require the animals to be stunned. A VERY sharp knife was drawn across the animal's throat and the animals bled out. The were awake. The died thrashing and trying to scream but the knife cuts through the windpipe. Not all halal meat comes from conscious animals, but ALL regular slaughter requires the animals to be stunned. The processes aren't perfect, about 1/10 don't get stunned right, and 1/4 don't get electrocuted right, but man, I will never EVER forget what I saw in that Halal plant. That is nothing short of extreme animal cruelty to me.

Nimitz
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The knocker you see in No Country for Old Men doesn't punch through the skull of cows and pigs the way it did the people in that movie, it just hits them in the head with a steel bolt, hard. That knocks them out and then the animals died of blood loss as they hang. It takes about 3 minutes. The Halal process was 1-2 minutes of thrashing in terror, then twitching as they lost strength and died with their eyes open. No. Just... No. Some Halal places to knock the animals, but not all.

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Papa
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm confused (which I will readily admit is not unusual). OP said all the meat served in the school cafeteria is halal, which I believe is a Muslim practice, but she also mentioned pork sausages. As far as I know Muslims don't eat pork, so what's the situation at the school? I would like to make it clear that I'm not making any judgments whatsoever, I am only asking for information.

Onan Hag All
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Halal and kosher are inherently cruel, and based on someone chanting gibberish over an animal while it's subjected to a painful demise. However, if you point out this unnecessary suffering it's because you are racist.[.sarcasm]

meeeeeeeeeeee
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Go listen to the videos of pigs being gassed to death and squealing in horrific pain then pretend that method is better.

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SummerVeE
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like this parent is going to have to pack their kid's homemade lunches

Nina
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Halal killing is barbaric. Animals are bled to death and it's slow and drawn out, which is cruel. The UK use lethal shock and it's quick and over with. Eating meat isn't wrong, but making the deaths merciful is the very least that can be done.

Rachel Pelz
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Except in the industrial slaughter house, there are many accounts of the lethal shock not being lethal and staff either does not care or is instructed/pressured not to care/act. So these animals bleed to death too.

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LonelyLittleLeafSheep
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OMG so much f*****g hate and controversy when the solution is so simple: PACK THE CHILD'S LUNCH AT HOME. If you don't like the food that is offered, pack your own lunch.

Gary
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You cannot just lump this under 'halal meat' there are two methods that I know of. And its part of my daily job. Non Stunned Halal meat. As the name suggests animals are literally slaughtered whilst conscious. This is much less common in schools in the UK, the more common method (And likely what most of us are eating whether it says halal on the packet or not) is stunned first. Chicken for instance (in the UK at least )is most likely 'halal' in that prayers have been said at its slaughter. These prayers as I understand are basically played over a radio 24 hours a day. Thats the only difference. I also believe that in the UK non halal meat all has to be stunned first, you cannot simply run a blade through a cow whilst its awake.

T'Mar of Vulcan
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There might be a racist aspect to it as well. I know some people who won't eat halaal meat because it is prayed over. However, from a Christian perspective, there is precedent in one of Paul's epistles to eat such meat. (There's a section on 'meat offered to idols', which Christians are allowed to eat, and you can extrapolate.)

Rayne OfSalt
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They won't eat Halal meat because it's been prayed over, but then they go and pray over their entire meal? religious people are weird.

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René Sauer
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

*googles it* Hm, Halal means no pork, alcohol/intoxicants, poison, harmful ingredients or unhygienic elements (so basically clean organic products) as well as cleaning machines and utensils after Islamic law. So what´s this Karens problem? I smell simple racism from this.

Janissary35680
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Halal is essentially identical to Kosher isn't it? Would the OP have a problem with that too?

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Invisible Potato
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

sooo, its okez to force halal on others, but not have option for non halal eaters? what a s**t world we have

Karl der Große
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Sikh Rehat Maryada prevents Sikhs from eating kosher or halal meat.

Forrest Hobbs
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've looked up things about Sikh Rehat Maryada and not found anything which forbids SIkhs from eating kosher or halal meat. E.g., https://www.sikhitothemax.org/rehat-maryadha/en. I'd appreciate further information regarding this point.

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Deividas Jankauskas
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2 weeks ago

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Spencer's slave no longer
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If she's not happy with the school lunches then she needs to make her child a packed lunch. It's really easy to batch cook chicken drumsticks or gluten free sausages, fritatta etc. Ethical slaughtering of meat animals not the issue if the child regularly eats meat at home.

Lorrie Crabtree
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From what I have learned (I am not Muslim, but I am going by what I have been told by Muslim friends, as well as much reading on the subject), it's still halal if the animal is stunned before slaughter, provided that -if- the animal is not slaughtered, it can recover from the stun completely. So, shooting a bolt into its brain -- which, technically, will kill it immediately -- is not halal (and, IMO, not stunning), but just about any other form of stunning could be considered proper. Frankly, the OP doesn't sound like she's more concerned for the animal's welfare. I think she has an issue with it being halal -- as in, associated with Islam. I get that she doesn't want her daughter to eat certain foods like dairy or gluten, because she can't tolerate them. But if she is so opposed to the cheap, and craptastic food the schools serve, why doesn't she solve the problem by packing the kid a lunch?

Sarah Léon
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No matter hallal or not. If your kid has allergies, you make their lunch and everybody is happy. My nephew was allergic to paprika growing up, and maybe you don't know but there's paprika everywhere ! So for few years, his parents made him his lunch for school and didn't bother anyone.

Cooking Panda
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The way Muslims slaughter animal actually provides better quality beef, if done properly (no stunning, no stressing the animals etc.) . There are studies on this, but I'm aware that the pratice isn't always ideal. I'm sensing a not-so-subtle Islamophobia here. OP should let her daughter eat whatever is possible for her at school, and give her the "right" options at home. Or pack her lunch. Why is this even a problem?

KitKat
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pork is the only meat that categorically may not be consumed by Muslims. . The Quran forbids it, Surah 2:173 and 16:115, other foods not in a state of purity are also considered haram (taboo).

Roan The Demon Kitty
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You may think Halal is more brutal, but the truth is that the animals that are "slaughtered" for halal meat are generally kept within much higher animal welfare standards than that factory farmed chicken that comes from a barn so cramped they can't even move. Besides, the "western way" (or at least in the UK and Europe) is traditionally also to cut it's neck. It's called "sticking" and it's very much still done by many slaughterhouses today. So lets stop the "holier than thou" attitude, shall we?

Amused panda
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whilst I'm not clear where OP lives, in the UK it is not currently a requirement for halal and kosher meat to be labelled as such. It is possible that OP's DC has already eaten halal meat without knowing it, the difference now is that the school are labelling and effectively guaranteeing the meat they serve is halal, which benefits other pupils' (religion based) dietary restrictions.

michele mbennett101044@yahoo.c
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Excuse me mom, but what is keeping YOU from preparing your daughter's lunch to take with her??? Since you are so concerned about her dietary needs YOU should be providing her with what you consider to be proper and safe, quit relying on the school to feed her, that's your job as the parent. Get up earlier in order to prepare her lunch.

Gaea van der Aa
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The explinaison on halal is incorrect. I bin in does country's and one thing is surten there not hygenic at all. And give here a lunch or look for a differant school

Esther Archuleta
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did the daughter eat meat before mom found out it was halal meat? Once its cooked, can you tell the difference?

Red Skye
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You either go vegan if ou have such a problem with Halal, because it doesn't change a damned thing the animal is STILL DEAD after the fact, whether it is killed in a Halal fashion or not. this is purely a complaint, based on religious issues. Or here's a thought SEND YOUR KID TO SCHOOL WITH YOUR OWN PACKED LUNCH.

Tony Zecco
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She;'s insane. Who cares if it's halal meat or not. Meat is meat.If she doesn't like it, send the kid with a sack lunch or just shut up and tell her she can only have the one other meal available because mommy doesn't want her to eat the meat because of her own reasons. This isn't on the school. It's on the mom being ridiculous.

Pollymere
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. I've worked in schools which are Halal-free and also where both Halal and non-Halal chicken has been a lunch option. Jews and many Christians do not wish to eat Halal for religious reasons as prayers are offered up at the time of slaughter and the way the animals are slaughtered does not align with their religious beliefs. Others just don't like the way Halal meat is slaughtered. It's not fair to impose the religious beliefs of one group on others. If we are going to provide Halal meat, we need to provide the same non-Halal. And it works fine in schools!

Sera
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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Caring what recording an animal heard before it was slaughtered for your consumption is the most first-world problem I've heard in a while.

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bookladydavina
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

by law, if the child has a diagnosed food allergy/intolerance, the school is required to provide food she can safely eat, you will need to contact your district office to get the correct paperwork filled and filed. Now, that said, yeah, school budgets are c**p and she's not likely going to get a whole lot of options and if the meat they have on offer is currently gluten free, that does meet the requirement as far as they will be concerned. If you do not like their options, you are going to be better off sending her with a packed lunch from home

Alexandra
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The school is for everyone, therefore the food should be catered to everyone's taste: there should be something for everyone. To force people to eat halal meat is absolutely dictatorial whatever the motivation. Why not just offer no meat at all? Then most parents and students can be disgruntled and the whole underlying motivation, that there should not just be one particular religion imposing its dietary laws on those who aren't of that religion can be avoided.

Jihana
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then the non-vegetarians will complain that the vegetarians are imposing their dietary laws on them.

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Upstaged75
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why does she have a problem with this? Animal treatment: Animals must be raised humanely, given ample space to roam, and fed hormone-free food. Slaughter: A Muslim must slaughter the animal with a sharp knife in a single stroke, severing the carotid artery, jugular vein, and windpipe. The animal's face must be pointed toward Mecca, and no other animals should witness the act. The Muslim must recite a dedication, known as the tasmiya or shahada, while slaughtering the animal. Blood drainage: All blood must be drained from the carcass, including the organs. Sanitation: Halal butchers and meat producers follow strict sanitation procedures. Storage and processing: Halal meat must be stored and processed separately from non-halal products.

FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just bring lunch. Either way the food provided if convenience is more important or pack a lunch if moral stance is more important. From the schools perspective, they can't cater to each child's preferences. If enough students want a particular dietary item, and it fits within budget and the kitchens ability, I'm sure change can eventually happen. But OP's perspective seems to be why isn't my one child, with specific and complicated dietary concerns, more important than all the Muslim children who are asking for a readily available ingredient?

R Dennis
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am American and one of my favorite things is goat curry. I buy my goat (and lamb) from a halal butcher. It is the best meat available and their butcher shop is impeccably clean. If an option is halal or not is likely a bs excuse... don't get me wrong - you can have my bbq, Italian sausage, and pulled pork when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands. But something being halal is really a non-issue - plenty of items can be made kosher/halal without changing anything about the food. As one comment stated: If you're OK with eating dead animals then a slight change in how they are slaughtered really shouldn't be a problem.

BrunoVI
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A huge issue in judging this is where is it? If she's one of the few foreigners living in a Muslim country, I'd say you gotta adapt to your new surroundings and if you don't like it, why are you there? If we're talking some place that has a huge immigrant population and they've imposed Islamic law on everyone, aw, hell no.

meeeeeeeeeeee
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seems more that she hates the foreigners. Every wanker under the sun likes to pretend animals are killed humanely for their bellies but dead is dead. You cannot humanely murder and you can't be that delusional that your way is somehow ''better''.

Jihana
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, if I was caught by a murderer, and they tell me they're ginna slit my throat, but I can decide if I want to be stunned first, I know what I am going to choose.

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Snow_White
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2 weeks ago

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I don't understand the comments pushing to accept halal. I don't eat halal meat and will avoid it any costs because it's a torture of an animal. Most of Europe is Christian and not Muslim. But somehow we have to cater to this minority. Halal should be banned!

XenoMurph
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Using animal welfare as an excuse for xenophobia/islamophobia. Most of the Western world has not been majority practicing Christian for decades. Not attending church, but screeching "this is a Christian country", how hypocritical

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Ace
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I suspect more of a motivation than animal welfare here. If the mom really cared she'd be more upset by the much worse conditions that factory produced chickens are kept in, compared with the much higher welfare standards required for Halal.

LakotaWolf (she/her)
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Conventional" livestock is slaughtered in basically the same way in Western culture - the cow or pig is hoisted up by a hind leg and a blade is used to slice the animal's neck (arteries/veins) to kill it via bleeding it to death. That's EXACTLY how halal meat animals are killed - cut with a blade in order to bleed it to death. OP is so self-righteous about how she feels about halal slaughter when it's not all that different from how Western cultures slaughter livestock. The only difference is that in conventional slaughter, the animal is (theoretically) stunned before its throat is cut (via a bolt fired into its skull, via gassing it, or via electrical shock) but there's plenty of cited studies/proof out there that show that stunning is rarely perfect and sometimes the animal is NOT unconscious/stunned when it's slaughtered. If slaughtering an animal in a halal fashion is "wrong", then ALL slaughter is wrong, since we can't guarantee that the animal doesn't feel pain as it dies.

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Ben Aziza
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2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Halal method of slaughter has always disturbed me as a Muslim kid. I saw it first hand... Sad to see so many ppl so misinformed in the comments down here. The animals have their throats slit and they thrash around in pain for minutes before they die... Yhe it is not pleasant... Currently in europe most countries employ an instant kill method with a lethal sock or a bolt to the brain stem. Instant death so fast that the nerves do no have time to shoot pain signals... BECAUSE LAWS have been put in place to reduce animal cruelty (More still needs to be done tho with the farming methods) As a Muslim apostate myself I ask. Why is Islamophobia bad? I don't understand it. Why defend something you are not informed about? It is compassion? Compassion for my fellow humans is why i left Islam... Seeing how women are treated. How gay ppl are prosecuted or "not existing" because it is against allah's design. Would you defend the "pray the gay away" Christians? It is the default in Islam...

Rayne OfSalt
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Really? Europe still allows that? Cos here in Australia, Muslims decided that giving the animal a ceremonial little nick that bled a tiny bit still counted as halal and modern instant kill methods could then be used.

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Sarah Matsoukis
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The way these animals live before being killed is a bigger problem but aside from that just pack her lunch yourself like most parents worldwide.

Nimitz
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I grew up in ranch country. I've seen regular slaughterhouses (nightmares) and I've seen Halal kill floors (vomit). I really don't think there's anything wrong in asking not to be served Halal meat. Regular slaughter involves stunning the animal or electrocuting it before hooking their feet into a lift and jamming a trocar into their jugular and draining the blood from the body. The Halal kill floor I saw did not require the animals to be stunned. A VERY sharp knife was drawn across the animal's throat and the animals bled out. The were awake. The died thrashing and trying to scream but the knife cuts through the windpipe. Not all halal meat comes from conscious animals, but ALL regular slaughter requires the animals to be stunned. The processes aren't perfect, about 1/10 don't get stunned right, and 1/4 don't get electrocuted right, but man, I will never EVER forget what I saw in that Halal plant. That is nothing short of extreme animal cruelty to me.

Nimitz
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The knocker you see in No Country for Old Men doesn't punch through the skull of cows and pigs the way it did the people in that movie, it just hits them in the head with a steel bolt, hard. That knocks them out and then the animals died of blood loss as they hang. It takes about 3 minutes. The Halal process was 1-2 minutes of thrashing in terror, then twitching as they lost strength and died with their eyes open. No. Just... No. Some Halal places to knock the animals, but not all.

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Papa
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm confused (which I will readily admit is not unusual). OP said all the meat served in the school cafeteria is halal, which I believe is a Muslim practice, but she also mentioned pork sausages. As far as I know Muslims don't eat pork, so what's the situation at the school? I would like to make it clear that I'm not making any judgments whatsoever, I am only asking for information.

Onan Hag All
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Halal and kosher are inherently cruel, and based on someone chanting gibberish over an animal while it's subjected to a painful demise. However, if you point out this unnecessary suffering it's because you are racist.[.sarcasm]

meeeeeeeeeeee
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Go listen to the videos of pigs being gassed to death and squealing in horrific pain then pretend that method is better.

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SummerVeE
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like this parent is going to have to pack their kid's homemade lunches

Nina
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Halal killing is barbaric. Animals are bled to death and it's slow and drawn out, which is cruel. The UK use lethal shock and it's quick and over with. Eating meat isn't wrong, but making the deaths merciful is the very least that can be done.

Rachel Pelz
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Except in the industrial slaughter house, there are many accounts of the lethal shock not being lethal and staff either does not care or is instructed/pressured not to care/act. So these animals bleed to death too.

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LonelyLittleLeafSheep
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OMG so much f*****g hate and controversy when the solution is so simple: PACK THE CHILD'S LUNCH AT HOME. If you don't like the food that is offered, pack your own lunch.

Gary
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You cannot just lump this under 'halal meat' there are two methods that I know of. And its part of my daily job. Non Stunned Halal meat. As the name suggests animals are literally slaughtered whilst conscious. This is much less common in schools in the UK, the more common method (And likely what most of us are eating whether it says halal on the packet or not) is stunned first. Chicken for instance (in the UK at least )is most likely 'halal' in that prayers have been said at its slaughter. These prayers as I understand are basically played over a radio 24 hours a day. Thats the only difference. I also believe that in the UK non halal meat all has to be stunned first, you cannot simply run a blade through a cow whilst its awake.

T'Mar of Vulcan
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There might be a racist aspect to it as well. I know some people who won't eat halaal meat because it is prayed over. However, from a Christian perspective, there is precedent in one of Paul's epistles to eat such meat. (There's a section on 'meat offered to idols', which Christians are allowed to eat, and you can extrapolate.)

Rayne OfSalt
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They won't eat Halal meat because it's been prayed over, but then they go and pray over their entire meal? religious people are weird.

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René Sauer
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

*googles it* Hm, Halal means no pork, alcohol/intoxicants, poison, harmful ingredients or unhygienic elements (so basically clean organic products) as well as cleaning machines and utensils after Islamic law. So what´s this Karens problem? I smell simple racism from this.

Janissary35680
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Halal is essentially identical to Kosher isn't it? Would the OP have a problem with that too?

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Invisible Potato
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

sooo, its okez to force halal on others, but not have option for non halal eaters? what a s**t world we have

Karl der Große
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Sikh Rehat Maryada prevents Sikhs from eating kosher or halal meat.

Forrest Hobbs
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've looked up things about Sikh Rehat Maryada and not found anything which forbids SIkhs from eating kosher or halal meat. E.g., https://www.sikhitothemax.org/rehat-maryadha/en. I'd appreciate further information regarding this point.

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2 weeks ago

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Spencer's slave no longer
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If she's not happy with the school lunches then she needs to make her child a packed lunch. It's really easy to batch cook chicken drumsticks or gluten free sausages, fritatta etc. Ethical slaughtering of meat animals not the issue if the child regularly eats meat at home.

Lorrie Crabtree
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From what I have learned (I am not Muslim, but I am going by what I have been told by Muslim friends, as well as much reading on the subject), it's still halal if the animal is stunned before slaughter, provided that -if- the animal is not slaughtered, it can recover from the stun completely. So, shooting a bolt into its brain -- which, technically, will kill it immediately -- is not halal (and, IMO, not stunning), but just about any other form of stunning could be considered proper. Frankly, the OP doesn't sound like she's more concerned for the animal's welfare. I think she has an issue with it being halal -- as in, associated with Islam. I get that she doesn't want her daughter to eat certain foods like dairy or gluten, because she can't tolerate them. But if she is so opposed to the cheap, and craptastic food the schools serve, why doesn't she solve the problem by packing the kid a lunch?

Sarah Léon
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No matter hallal or not. If your kid has allergies, you make their lunch and everybody is happy. My nephew was allergic to paprika growing up, and maybe you don't know but there's paprika everywhere ! So for few years, his parents made him his lunch for school and didn't bother anyone.

Cooking Panda
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The way Muslims slaughter animal actually provides better quality beef, if done properly (no stunning, no stressing the animals etc.) . There are studies on this, but I'm aware that the pratice isn't always ideal. I'm sensing a not-so-subtle Islamophobia here. OP should let her daughter eat whatever is possible for her at school, and give her the "right" options at home. Or pack her lunch. Why is this even a problem?

KitKat
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pork is the only meat that categorically may not be consumed by Muslims. . The Quran forbids it, Surah 2:173 and 16:115, other foods not in a state of purity are also considered haram (taboo).

Roan The Demon Kitty
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You may think Halal is more brutal, but the truth is that the animals that are "slaughtered" for halal meat are generally kept within much higher animal welfare standards than that factory farmed chicken that comes from a barn so cramped they can't even move. Besides, the "western way" (or at least in the UK and Europe) is traditionally also to cut it's neck. It's called "sticking" and it's very much still done by many slaughterhouses today. So lets stop the "holier than thou" attitude, shall we?

Amused panda
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whilst I'm not clear where OP lives, in the UK it is not currently a requirement for halal and kosher meat to be labelled as such. It is possible that OP's DC has already eaten halal meat without knowing it, the difference now is that the school are labelling and effectively guaranteeing the meat they serve is halal, which benefits other pupils' (religion based) dietary restrictions.

michele mbennett101044@yahoo.c
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Excuse me mom, but what is keeping YOU from preparing your daughter's lunch to take with her??? Since you are so concerned about her dietary needs YOU should be providing her with what you consider to be proper and safe, quit relying on the school to feed her, that's your job as the parent. Get up earlier in order to prepare her lunch.

Gaea van der Aa
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The explinaison on halal is incorrect. I bin in does country's and one thing is surten there not hygenic at all. And give here a lunch or look for a differant school

Esther Archuleta
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did the daughter eat meat before mom found out it was halal meat? Once its cooked, can you tell the difference?

Red Skye
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You either go vegan if ou have such a problem with Halal, because it doesn't change a damned thing the animal is STILL DEAD after the fact, whether it is killed in a Halal fashion or not. this is purely a complaint, based on religious issues. Or here's a thought SEND YOUR KID TO SCHOOL WITH YOUR OWN PACKED LUNCH.

Tony Zecco
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She;'s insane. Who cares if it's halal meat or not. Meat is meat.If she doesn't like it, send the kid with a sack lunch or just shut up and tell her she can only have the one other meal available because mommy doesn't want her to eat the meat because of her own reasons. This isn't on the school. It's on the mom being ridiculous.

Pollymere
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. I've worked in schools which are Halal-free and also where both Halal and non-Halal chicken has been a lunch option. Jews and many Christians do not wish to eat Halal for religious reasons as prayers are offered up at the time of slaughter and the way the animals are slaughtered does not align with their religious beliefs. Others just don't like the way Halal meat is slaughtered. It's not fair to impose the religious beliefs of one group on others. If we are going to provide Halal meat, we need to provide the same non-Halal. And it works fine in schools!

Sera
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4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Caring what recording an animal heard before it was slaughtered for your consumption is the most first-world problem I've heard in a while.

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bookladydavina
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

by law, if the child has a diagnosed food allergy/intolerance, the school is required to provide food she can safely eat, you will need to contact your district office to get the correct paperwork filled and filed. Now, that said, yeah, school budgets are c**p and she's not likely going to get a whole lot of options and if the meat they have on offer is currently gluten free, that does meet the requirement as far as they will be concerned. If you do not like their options, you are going to be better off sending her with a packed lunch from home

Alexandra
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The school is for everyone, therefore the food should be catered to everyone's taste: there should be something for everyone. To force people to eat halal meat is absolutely dictatorial whatever the motivation. Why not just offer no meat at all? Then most parents and students can be disgruntled and the whole underlying motivation, that there should not just be one particular religion imposing its dietary laws on those who aren't of that religion can be avoided.

Jihana
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then the non-vegetarians will complain that the vegetarians are imposing their dietary laws on them.

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Upstaged75
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why does she have a problem with this? Animal treatment: Animals must be raised humanely, given ample space to roam, and fed hormone-free food. Slaughter: A Muslim must slaughter the animal with a sharp knife in a single stroke, severing the carotid artery, jugular vein, and windpipe. The animal's face must be pointed toward Mecca, and no other animals should witness the act. The Muslim must recite a dedication, known as the tasmiya or shahada, while slaughtering the animal. Blood drainage: All blood must be drained from the carcass, including the organs. Sanitation: Halal butchers and meat producers follow strict sanitation procedures. Storage and processing: Halal meat must be stored and processed separately from non-halal products.

FreeTheUnicorn
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just bring lunch. Either way the food provided if convenience is more important or pack a lunch if moral stance is more important. From the schools perspective, they can't cater to each child's preferences. If enough students want a particular dietary item, and it fits within budget and the kitchens ability, I'm sure change can eventually happen. But OP's perspective seems to be why isn't my one child, with specific and complicated dietary concerns, more important than all the Muslim children who are asking for a readily available ingredient?

R Dennis
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am American and one of my favorite things is goat curry. I buy my goat (and lamb) from a halal butcher. It is the best meat available and their butcher shop is impeccably clean. If an option is halal or not is likely a bs excuse... don't get me wrong - you can have my bbq, Italian sausage, and pulled pork when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands. But something being halal is really a non-issue - plenty of items can be made kosher/halal without changing anything about the food. As one comment stated: If you're OK with eating dead animals then a slight change in how they are slaughtered really shouldn't be a problem.

BrunoVI
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A huge issue in judging this is where is it? If she's one of the few foreigners living in a Muslim country, I'd say you gotta adapt to your new surroundings and if you don't like it, why are you there? If we're talking some place that has a huge immigrant population and they've imposed Islamic law on everyone, aw, hell no.

meeeeeeeeeeee
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seems more that she hates the foreigners. Every wanker under the sun likes to pretend animals are killed humanely for their bellies but dead is dead. You cannot humanely murder and you can't be that delusional that your way is somehow ''better''.

Jihana
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, if I was caught by a murderer, and they tell me they're ginna slit my throat, but I can decide if I want to be stunned first, I know what I am going to choose.

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Snow_White
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2 weeks ago

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I don't understand the comments pushing to accept halal. I don't eat halal meat and will avoid it any costs because it's a torture of an animal. Most of Europe is Christian and not Muslim. But somehow we have to cater to this minority. Halal should be banned!

XenoMurph
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Using animal welfare as an excuse for xenophobia/islamophobia. Most of the Western world has not been majority practicing Christian for decades. Not attending church, but screeching "this is a Christian country", how hypocritical

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