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Boss Says “You Can’t Continue Working From Home Because You Go Idle In Chat Too Often”, Employee Maliciously Complies
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Boss Says “You Can’t Continue Working From Home Because You Go Idle In Chat Too Often”, Employee Maliciously Complies

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The abrupt closure of many offices and workplaces during the peak of the pandemic ushered in a new era of remote work for millions of employed people around the world. The Pew Research data shows that today, more American workers say they are working from home by choice rather than necessity. Among those who have a workplace outside of their home, 61% now say they are choosing not to go into their workplace. With companies shifting to either hybrid or fully WFH models, the option is becoming somewhat of a no-brainer.

Or that’s what one Redditor and an employee at an unnamed company thought. In a post on the Malicious Compliance subreddit, they said they really wanted to work from home full-time and “hated the office with burning passion.” But contrary to their expectations, the Redditor got assigned as in office full-time. “It made no sense to me,” they wrote.

Turns out their company implemented a pretty unusual productive measurement to determine who is allowed to WFH and who isn’t. “Basically we have a company-wide IM system that shows you as available, idle, or in a meeting. If you don’t touch your keyboard for 5 minutes, you show as idle,” they said. The author was told they were simply shown as idle too often to be allowed to switch to remote work.

But the Redditor didn’t give up and came up with a savage plan to maliciously comply with their management. Read on to see what they did below and share your thoughts about the whole situation!

This employee has recently shared how they were not allowed to work from home because they were shown idle on work chat too often

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To find out what an expert had to say about this whole situation, Bored Panda reached out to Liz Ryan, a keynote speaker, multiple book author and the founder and CEO of Human Workplace. Her illuminating Twitter thread about fake job openings to get free employees has recently gone viral and you can read our post about it here.

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“The tide is turning as The Great Resignation continues, with record numbers of employees leaving their jobs to take better opportunities every month,” Liz Ryan, a keynote speaker, multiple book author and the founder and CEO of Human Workplace, told Bored Panda. “What does this mean for working people? It means they don’t have to stay at a toxic workplace. They can jump into the job market and find something better.”

But the author didn’t give up and came up with a savage way to outsmart the controlling management

Liz explained that “a manager who evaluates your results based on keystrokes, participation in the group chat or any other process metric is not someone who deserves your talents.” In fact, you’re wasting your time with that company, Liz argues.

“Even if your manager changes course and lets you work from home, do you think that will make them less suspicious? Once you’re working from home full-time, do you think they will see your talents and your contributions any more than they do right now?” The CEO of Human Workplace said that they won’t.

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“It’s painful to get a message like the one you got when your manager told you they evaluate your success based on stupid metrics, but it’s also a gift. Your situation is not going to get better at this job but that’s OK because there are other employers who deserve you more than this one does – and most of them are hiring.”

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Liz suggests asking yourself: “Why to waste any more time working for people who don’t deserve to have you on their team?” She encourages the author of this story to go onward and upward. “Keep this in mind: only the people who get you, deserve you.”

And this is what people had to comment about this whole situation

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Liucija Adomaite is a creative mind with years of experience in copywriting. She has a dynamic set of experiences from advertising, academia, and journalism. This time, she has set out on a journey to investigate the ways in which we communicate ideas on a large scale. Her current mission is to find a magic formula for how to make ideas, news, and other such things spread like a virus.

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Denis is a photo editor at Bored Panda. After getting his bachelor's degree in Multimedia and Computer Design, he tried to succeed in digital design, advertising, and branding. Also, Denis really enjoys sports and loves everything related to board sports and water.

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Martha Meyer
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think a lot of people would like to work from home precisely because they do not have enough to do at work. Having to sit at a computer all day pretending to have work you don't actually have is a form of torture imo. I've had jobs with too little to do and jobs with too much to do and I can't decide what's worse, honestly.

Victoria Pitt
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And for this reason exactly I find myself at work, in the office, replying to your post. lol

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Leodavinci
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The really sad thing is that in WFH situations, they have always already had a really simple metric to use that doesn't require any complicated software or to even monitor employees... and it's apparently not even used. Does the work get done and by the time it's needed to be done? Yes? Then no problem. No? Then there's a problem that needs to be solved.

RafCo
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. If you get your job done, and are generally available for questions and such, I don't care if you work ten minutes a day. If you spend twenty hours producing garbage, then you suck. Output not hours. I also tell my employees, "you won't be on your deathbed regretting not finishing a work project".

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Lauren
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Firefighters hahahahahaha. I calculated my brother's pay once. He made about the same as me per hour but brought home almost thrice as much because he's paid in 24-hour shifts.

R L Walker
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The firefighter comment really hit home. I worked security for a hospital that covered several blocks, with many buildings of over 10 stories. We had to call in every floor we checked. That was the measure of effectiveness, and if we took too long on helping people, they counted against us. Then they changed the metric to calling in floors, and time busy with calls, but dispatchers were gigged if they did not dispatch a call within a minute of getting it, so we would sometimes get two new calls before arriving at the first, then get gigged fir taking so long to arrive at the other two calls. They finally measured time spent in all activities. That worked until a new vice president decided to count total tasks, and averaged how long he thought they should take, so he downsized the department, right after good insurance ratings got reported. Then they complained that response times were too long. They never learned, the only metric is safety.

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Kate Jones
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been working from home now for 2 years and it's been great but they're requiring us to come back starting next week and I'm infuriated about it. We are an extremely busy call center so it's not like anyone is horsing around. But it's quiet at home, no distractions, and I don't have to do that corporate-ese language where every corporate office forces their employees to lie to them and pretend they're so happy and smile all the time. I can roll my eyes at the person on the phone and not feel like I'm being watched. The reason they want us to come back? They miss everyone and want to have the family atmosphere back (which never existed). Keep in mind most of us can't afford to live in Boston- where our job is because they don't pay us enough to live near our jobs- so we commute an hour or more to work. I'm not a person who gives a s**t about my fellow employees. I'm sorry but I'm just not. I just don't understand this forced 'family' crap corp's try to force on us.

Kate Jones
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

@Reality Check ...Well, I'm well into my 40s so I'm not a millenial. And I think I work normally just fine. I think it's less normal to require people to put on a uniform for a non-customer facing job, force them drive on one of the most dangerous highways in the US to work everyday for a job that could be done from home, all for the sake of 'wanting to be together'. Also, they once filmed us and made us lip sync to RESPECT by Aretha Franklin while making us dance as a promotional video for a retreat they were having for the bigwigs (and couldn't see the irony of forcing employees to do such a thing to a song about respect) and then not allow us to continue a system that has been working well for 2 years to continue. They asked us to vote for how we wanted to work and the results were over 90% wanting to work from home, then decided against it because the bosses wanted everyone together for 'family' comradery. Meanwhile they are still working from home. So...yeah.

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Random Anon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get the morons calling this dude a "shi**y employee". He did his job and fulfilled his role. For the duration of his working hours. This is what he is paid for. It's not about reserving his time exclusively for work in that 8 hours. This is 2022 right? I cannot fathom why people would rather be treated like slaves for that 8 hours.

Wesley Rossal
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about productivity, it's about spite and compliance. Upper management, owners and executives DESPISE the idea of getting a day's work done in less, and spending the rest as we will. Free, enjoying living, not tied to our job, and pursuing self interest. Low and middle management feel that they must be active in the job at all times and despise the fact that other employees could manage without that. Or them. Thus, this.

Shane S
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I spent the money on a mouse mover. I’m the same way. I am highly productive and get stuff done that it takes other workers all day to do. My boss isn’t a clock watcher but my coworkers are and so my mouse mover saves me drama when they think they are assigned more work than I am. If I were in the office, I’d just be playing on my phone or some other time waster. So what’s the difference between that and doing a load of laundry at home?

Robin Smith
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My reward for doing a large job in tech very quickly and correctly? I was made to do another techs same project that he messed up. That was the begining of the end and I quit soon afterwards.

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Michelle LF
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder why we feel like we have to pretend to have something to do at our cubes instead of being able to just not have anymore work to do?

RafCo
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Companies that track these sorta of metrics are dumb. I had a company track number of bugs introduced. Indeed the total number of bugs went down. As did the number of new features. Another company based metrics on coffee coverage, and our code became overly complex, in order to increase coverage. It became mock city in that codebase. Metrics can be good, but as a view into a trend. Not as individual performance indicators. This chat idle nonsense is particularly stupid. What if they're in a meeting. When I'm on zoom, I go idle. When I'm on the phone, same. Do you know when I'm not idle. When I'm chatting on slack about movies or some other pointless nothing.

James Arvidson
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why companies need to learn they reward what they track. Performance measures should be based on objective, controllable outcomes for that position. This requires understanding the process at a level of detail many are unwilling to commit to for many reasons.

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Drea Benoit
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Awesome :) people are almost always more productive working from home with no distractions and interruptions.

JayWantsACat
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im a project accountant. My monthly 'schedule' is essentially two weeks of frenzied work & overtime to meet my monthly revenue & cost recognition deadline & then two weeks of 'down' time where I only have a few required tasks but still deal with any manager and/or client questions, processing budget & cost estimate requests, etc. It's asinine to expect me to be at 100% capacity each & every day & with any position with similar requirements to mine. That's also with me being a team player by suggesting positive changes, taking on more responsibility & difficult accounts with no expectation of a pay adjustment. So if OP can complete their work in less than 8 hours a day, in what world is that not a good thing? They are fulfilling their obligations. Any issue should be with management & maybe load management, especially considering they state the main metric they're being judged on was 'idle' time & task completion doesn't seem to be an issue. Its sad when morons are anti-labor.

R L Walker
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, did you ever hit that on the head! I remember an extraneous prestigious name being hired from another organization, put in charge of some high-budgeted public-help project to justify his presence, when interns and residents had already been running the same project out of pocket or from donations. Some downsizes and delayed raises followed that move, and imagine how those volunteers felt, being grandstanded by somebody who just arrived.

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Darcy Marie
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A few years ago I got in trouble for going idle/away in office chat AT work because I would be up away from my desk helping someone else, as my job required as team leader. They were mad because "what if we need to contact you?" Stand up and yell for me Tiffany is a g*d d*mn open room full of cubicles. My team constantly submitted me for these dumb corporate awards and we had this interoffice praise system that you could send a thank you for a coworker for helping them and at the end of the quarter for ever one you got your name was put in a drawing for a grand prize. My team loved me because I was always there for them and put them first. They were dealing with customers/general public and I was there to support and help them not sit around sucking corporates d*ck. My name was always removed because of my idle/away status. It's such a dumb metric.

Nowyermad
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As long as you're getting your job done, no one should complain, but STFU about what you are doing. Eventually some corporation will catch on to this and shut everyone down.

Donna Galanti
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And this is why I now work for myself! No more jiggling the mouse 😂

Nolgoth
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked for apple a few years back, from home, as an apple care rep. Managers actively watch their team’s screens from their own monitor. They can bring up your monitor without you knowing, turn on your webcam, they can even take over (which can be weird if you are trying to do something and your mouse randomly starts moving on its own).

Jo Choto
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The biggest problem here is that someone is being paid to work 8 hours but only has 3 - 5 hours work a day. I wonder how many other people experience this. Why on earth are they hiring if the people they have don't have enough work?

Jonathan Nichols
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because those inane mid level managers are absolutely incapable of actual management of people, whether through the design of the corporate structure, or by incompetence.

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Jessica N
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My sister tied a mouse to an oscillating fan. Your script is a much more elegant solution! My last office job definitely did not have enough work for 8 hours a day, we had to create tasks in the slow months esp February. I liked to stare thoughtfully at spreadsheets or create problems just to fix them.

Kiryn Silverwing
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, you've managed to find a real-world example of the autohotkey script I use to keep myself from getting disconnected due to AFK in online games. (When it takes 2-4 hours to log in, you definitely don't want to have to do it all over again because of pesky things like eating)

Robert Hicks
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The same guy used to measure employees by who was at their desk at 5:30 pm Same Dbag, different technology, Worked with a guy who was going to school, every day at 3 he would get out his books, study at his desk until 6 and go to class. If he didn't have school work it was a novel. Guess who was employee of the year? "his dedication is obvious". After he left for another company (employee of the year AND a masters degree did not warrant a raise) I told the boss what he used to do. I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel.

Paul Davis
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just a reminder that most managers, if they have degrees, have a degree in business...which I learned from rooming with business majors is the most half-assed, easy to pass curriculum in all of university.

Paula Allison
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right. If you enjoy your job minus the corporate BS and you're doing a good job minus the corporate BS, you have no reason to look for another company that "deserves" you ..and who cares if you do it in three hours. That's a stupid archaic concept that you have to "fill" 8 hours.

Samuel Pelatan
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd like to add the fact that it's not like he is "stealing" time to his company by working actively 3/5h during a 6/7h day. It is almost physically impossible to stay focus this long and is actually average office efficiency. Besides, he is matching his expectations so who cares ? You can't ask for both means and results. He gave them results, they asked for means, he showed them he could do that too, period. And for the "he could work more" people: maybe he can manage to successfully complete his work this fast because he has time to rest, change focus and anticipate. Charge him more and he will be slower and more prone to mistakes.

Tony Culler
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know how so many people avoid feeling guilty for getting paid to play video games. Most of your paycheck comes from clients. I don't know, maybe it's just my job.

Jenn Jackson
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The vast majority of workers do not even handle clients, unless you're using the word to encompass every sort of end customer (internal or external). The entirety of my paycheck comes from an administration that refuses to establish guidelines on deadlines and workflow making the economics of time management impossible. It will never affect them when effective and competent workers like me are forced to mitigate it without authority or support. This means 4 months out of the year I am extremely overworked (and before anything is assumed, I'm hourly non-exempt) with no life preserver at the ready. The remaining 8 months, I'm in maintenance, which doesn't even begin to fill out the clock. I use a good deal of that spare time developing, writing, and presenting proposals on how to balance out the workflow and increase efficiency, proposals which are never heeded. I also screw off a not insignificant amount of the time. I'm not going to feel bad about it when I've done my due diligence.

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Marvelous Rex
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have to be careful with those mouse mover exe's depending on where you work because they can get flagged by corp security software. This script could get flagged too. I know they show up in our security events and are technically against corp policy because they are circumventing security policies. I know ppl who were using them to keep machines from locking while doing large, time consuming file copies because if it locked, it would drop the connection. I completely understood why they were using them but management still flipped out when they saw the exes on some reports. Also had to laugh at the person who talked about just adjusting the timeout settings. A good system admin will lock those settings through group policy so you can't change them.

Kat Behm
Community Member
2 years ago

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Mark Dawson
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another solution is open notepad and place a weight on your keyboard to trigger keystrokes. I use an old Samsung dex device. Remove weight and close notepad when u need to work.

Jenn Jackson
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Careful on this. A single keystroke is a command sent. Constant rapid fire commands can have unforeseen and devastating consequences. If anyone in the Midwest remembers the 3-day blackout of weather radar in the early-00's, I can assure you it was the direct result of this "solution". 😆😆

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Pamela Blue
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't understand why a company would use such a stupid way to see if their employees were working. I would have thought that the productivity of that employee would tell the tale, rather than how many times their keyboard blipped away. My daughter works from home, and if she didn't do her job, dozens of others wouldn't be able to do their's. So they know she's working, because everything is finished and ready for the other people who need her work to get their jobs done.

Quiet Space Photo Studio
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It actually just shows how much the workplace MUST change. How many of you waste time in the bathroom or employee break room during the day? Or linger at someone else's desk? Or fizzle out at 3, which renders you pretty much useless for the rest of the day, even after that afternoon coffee? And you still get your work done. Hmm? Shorter work days & workweek, regardless of remote or in office. Let employees who love the office atmosphere, stay there, while the rest work from home. As long as the work gets done & done right, that's what actually matters. So many factors for people who want to work remote. It's anxiety ridden, noise hating distractions, bright light headaches, nail biting traffic, time sucking travelers that NEED to work from home. Working in the office has caused so many people years of stress that we can't take it anymore. We're done. So, managers, presidents, if you want to miss out on great workers because you can't have a person in your face to control, your loss.

Mark Lundequist
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do not know much about the pay scale of Firefighters, but a lot of our local departments are "volunteer." As for your work day being 3-5 hours of productivity, may e your company should drop your full time status to part time status. It is only right to do so. Hate me if you will, but there are many who would love to work from home but can't or are not offered it like myself who works in an office.

Jessica Macklemoore
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hahahah all I kept thinking of was 1 of those red bird statue things with the top hat and monacles that people put on their desk that constantly dips down like its taking a drink and then up again, then down again every few seconds and how u could just put it over ur keyboard so it would be clicking a letter over and over all day lol but I agree with another comment on here where someone said they had jobs with 2 little 2 do and 2 much 2 do & cant decide what's worse. I used 2 lay on the floor of my bar wen I worked a very fancy country club & we had no closing time, it was wenever the last member decided 2 leave. Id b there alone 4 HOURS & the bar was tiny so id clean it 10 times & still have hrs left of nothing. Didnt kno if I'd leave at 8pm or 1 am if someone wanted a late dinner. Then id have nightmares at my office job of being buried alive under mortgage refinance orders.

Jonathan West
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why I simply can't work for employers who aren't goal oriented. If I can't see a finish line, I can't see a point. I'm no factory machine. And I'm also not stupid. I already know 100% what I gotta get done and in what order. Any twerps input into my workflow is nothing but a hindrance. You're not my supervisor in any literal sense of the word. Since around the time I hit 30, there hasn't been a supervisor I've had that could even do my job half as well. They're there to field "ideas" from management and to buy tools, parts, chemicals when WE say we need it. You do small budgets and time cards. I haven't had a supervisor tell me how to work since I was around 25. But I'm not an office worker. I think white collar jobs could learn a lot from some blue collar jobs. You guys do realize that management doesn't set goals for you cause if they did they'd lose the ability to constantly nag you, right? And that script? His bosses think they "fixed" him.

David Dazo
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I thank God I don't work in an Office.. What a horrible life it may be.. I am a contractor and make 2-3 times more then most and I mean MOST office workers but I get dirty.. People always look at us like we are fools who know nothing and just cuss and drink.. But guess what we don't have to jiggle a mouse or have someone telling me to type all day.. Most of the time I tell my guys if you finish early you get your 8.. That's most construction companies.. Office life is for the birds..

Donna Wagner
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What happened to giving 8 hrs and get paid for 8 hrs. If you only work 3 to 5 hrs that's what you should be paid for. So salary 8n office hourly at home. If you were the owner you would see it that way too.

Mrs Mulka 2.0
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's because boomers and old hierarchies don't understand what the concept of being paid to be available means 9 out of 10 you're there in case you need to do something okay something pops up you can handle it immediately they don't understand that nobody can be 100% busy 100% of the time burnout alone would take out someone this concept of there's always work is a lie and it's something that they tell themselves so they don't feel like they're wasting money paying a bunch of people to sit there when inevitably that's what they do with that's part of having a physical workforce and we need to stop allowing this wrong and stupid mindset to keep going

Jeremy
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The comment/suggestion up above to chnage to show inactive after X minutes is something companies can disable/override via group policy. My prior company overrode this via GPO despite whatever the user would set. My current company appears to have removed/hidden the option and or also overrides it. Fortunately, my current boss directly told me he doesn't care what I do or when, as long as I get my work done. I have fear of big brother watching engrained in me regardless from the years of being conditioned to check my status though.

Ryan C
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imagine being mad at this. Imagine thinking ppl actually "work" for 7 hours a day. Ppl are stupid. Change the work day to be shorter TBH.

Erica GrnEyez
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am so confused...if you are actively listening in a MEETING...well...shouldn't you NOT be distracted by chatting with others or doing stuff on your computer...but rather writing notes while watching the meeting...very odd from the manager...and shouldn't the manager be focusing on the contents of the meeting rather than keep checking status of his or her workers...extremely odd...micromanaging

Amy Mable
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an employer, I find this deceitful. WFH doesn't work with people that read books and watch TV on the employer's dime. That's stealing, imh.

Dan dan
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe instead of complaining you should tell the boss hey I only work three hours a day. Even though you paid me for eight hours a day. I’ve actually been robbing you. Please send me more work to do. I have 3 to 5 hours a day of extra time and could be so much more productive. Please send me more work because I don’t want to be a scumbag robbing you of your money for doing nothing. Maybe that should be the response and I bet the response you got would’ve been a lot different. You should be ashamed not proud

Chris Wesley
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't need a mouse jiggler and you don't need to program. Just put any weighted object on the control key. Done. You're welcome

Monkey Spunk
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just stick a webcam up in a browser, as long as the video's running it keeps you "green".

Pat Bond
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This guy needs to read between the lines. His face doesn't fit in that company.

AmjD S
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol honestly reading this article makes me laugh honestly and especially a comment where the person was putting a book on keyboard button to keep the laptop active and stopping it from into screen lock or idle mode. Shocked absolutely. I wish I could educate these people. Do one thing Google a tool called "mouse jiggler", run it and you won't have to deal with such a crap mentioned in this artile

AmjD S
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol honestly reading this article makes me laugh honestly and especially a comment where the person was putting a book on keyboard button to keep the laptop active and stopping it from into screen lock or idle mode. Shocked absolutely. I wish I could educate these people. I wouldn't even hire such naive people. Do one thing Google a tool called "mouse jiggler", run it and you won't have to deal with such a crap mentioned in this artile

Donna Galanti
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hilarious! I jiggled the mouse fifteen years ago to not be idle 🙂

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Marina Rocha
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Company should raise his goals. If they are paying him a salary for full 8 hours and he is only working 5, his goals are not adjusted to his workload. If he were paid by task then yes, the idle thing doesn't matter. Otherwise it does

Jenn Jackson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually, if they raise his goals they should also raise his pay since he clearly supercedes the expectation they laid out for him and for which they assigned a monetary value. To do otherwise is explicitly treating people as resources to be exploited.

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William Walton
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And yet lemme guess, none of these people make a “livable wage” or whatever the hell, god we have it so so good, we were all born in the cushiest time of all time.

TiDus Mark
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Oh, the guy who watches TV, plays video games and reads books on company time is the hero in this story? Wtf is this entitled world coming to? You don't want to go back to work because the metrics prove you're more productive at home? Why the f**k would anyone want to pay for 8 hours of work when you only admit to actually doing 5? I hope they make you hourly and only pay you for work done. This type of mentality sickens me.

Boblawblaslawblog
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's free market capitalism isn't it? If one guy can work 50 percent faster than the rest, doesn't that mean his time is worth more? If he or she accomplished in 5 hours the same amount of work as someone else does in 8 hours, I fail to see the problem. If you think he should get more work to do, what does that say about the others? Are they not pulling their own weight at work? The problem is management. Not the employees. As a manager, I accommodated my most productive employees. I needed them more than they needed me. As long as the production goals were met, and we ran out of work, I'd let them leave early, or go read the paper. Nobody got hurt. No one died. Everyone was happy. We all made money. Austerity for the sake of austerity makes everyone miserable. There were enough employers willing to hire away my crew that I couldn't afford to micromanage my employees to death. What good would it do to be "that guy"?

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Reality Check
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Nope young people today dont work. They dont know what it takes to work. Their whole lives they were given a participation award and they've lived off that their whole lives. In the real world its dog eat dog and if they dont get their way they cry in their cry room. Todays young people have zero work ethic. Work from home they accomplish zero then dont understand when they are fired. Sorry, you do no work you dont get a participation award your gone little biden supporter. Todays adults need to grow up and be adults

Alisha Reyna
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is your metric on that statistic? Most companies are seeing astronomical profits, and the job market is insanely competitive and you basically need a masters degree and a laundry list of requirements just to get an interview. But tell me again how no one is working because Fox News or some of your boomer friends posted a fake quote on FB...

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Tom
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If you only have 3-5 hours of work per day, then you should only be getting paid for those hours IMO.

Shane S
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So you should be assigned more work than someone else who is less competent? If it’s the same work and it takes me 3 hours but my colleague 8 hours, why should I be punished? Sounds like jealousy to me.

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Jackson Stewart
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This entire post makes me sick. You millennials have no idea what its like to work your ass off for 9+ hours a day only to go home, stress over it and go back and do it again. Wait until you entitled cry babies are 50 years old and you really have to work for a living.

Jyndaru
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most of us do know what that's like though. For years I worked 12+ hour days, going to one job from 7AM-4PM, then straight to another job from 5-11PM. I've done physical labor, retail, and office work. Some of it was easy, some of it was damn nigh impossible. But there's absolutely nothing good about overworking yourself. And there's nothing wrong with finding ways to be efficient and to make your workday more bearable. This idea, that we should only be proud if we're constantly working, is the reason you're so angry now. I know how it feels; I hurt myself and made myself physically ill for work. And guess what? I'm NOT proud of what I did to myself just for money! So please stop telling people they're not good enough just because they don't live for work. The OP got their work done; it shouldn't matter what they did afterwards.

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Rick Seiden
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If you don't have enough to do at work to fill an 8 hour day, either your job isn't full time and you should be moved to salary, or you should talk to your boss about finding other work. This isn't about being a boot licker, this is about the fact that you are paid for a full time job, and you're not giving that. Maybe you can pick up something new and exciting. Who knows. Having said that, I had a company that wouldn't let me turn on the flipping screensaver. I built a plug in USB device that pretended it was a mouse and moved in a 10 pixel square every minute.

Lauren Caswell
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have a huge society built up around automation of tasks, labour saving devices, paring down the jobs more than they create them. At the same time the population grows, the wealth has not transferred to a new generation, retirement schemes aren't working for older people, and so much more. Of course we need to contribute to society, all of us who are able at any given time. But it's not just as simple as 'the job should be part time'. Even in a basic view, his idle time will likely be interspersed with work, not separated into neat loppable categories 🤷‍♀️ we have changed our systems before (industrial revolution, ending feudalism, agriculture). This has been a big technological revolution, and there is a generational knowledge gap like we have not seen since the industrial revolution. TLDR: times change.

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Tom Hanlin
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Another happy little case of worker fraud. There may be some reason your manager doesn't trust you.

Kris
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see you focused on the fix but none of the context. Do you not understand the ridiculousness of why it was necessary? Micromanaging a good employee bc they're getting all work done and have nothing to do is the embodiment of stupidity.

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Martha Meyer
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think a lot of people would like to work from home precisely because they do not have enough to do at work. Having to sit at a computer all day pretending to have work you don't actually have is a form of torture imo. I've had jobs with too little to do and jobs with too much to do and I can't decide what's worse, honestly.

Victoria Pitt
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And for this reason exactly I find myself at work, in the office, replying to your post. lol

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Leodavinci
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The really sad thing is that in WFH situations, they have always already had a really simple metric to use that doesn't require any complicated software or to even monitor employees... and it's apparently not even used. Does the work get done and by the time it's needed to be done? Yes? Then no problem. No? Then there's a problem that needs to be solved.

RafCo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. If you get your job done, and are generally available for questions and such, I don't care if you work ten minutes a day. If you spend twenty hours producing garbage, then you suck. Output not hours. I also tell my employees, "you won't be on your deathbed regretting not finishing a work project".

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Lauren
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Firefighters hahahahahaha. I calculated my brother's pay once. He made about the same as me per hour but brought home almost thrice as much because he's paid in 24-hour shifts.

R L Walker
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The firefighter comment really hit home. I worked security for a hospital that covered several blocks, with many buildings of over 10 stories. We had to call in every floor we checked. That was the measure of effectiveness, and if we took too long on helping people, they counted against us. Then they changed the metric to calling in floors, and time busy with calls, but dispatchers were gigged if they did not dispatch a call within a minute of getting it, so we would sometimes get two new calls before arriving at the first, then get gigged fir taking so long to arrive at the other two calls. They finally measured time spent in all activities. That worked until a new vice president decided to count total tasks, and averaged how long he thought they should take, so he downsized the department, right after good insurance ratings got reported. Then they complained that response times were too long. They never learned, the only metric is safety.

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Kate Jones
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been working from home now for 2 years and it's been great but they're requiring us to come back starting next week and I'm infuriated about it. We are an extremely busy call center so it's not like anyone is horsing around. But it's quiet at home, no distractions, and I don't have to do that corporate-ese language where every corporate office forces their employees to lie to them and pretend they're so happy and smile all the time. I can roll my eyes at the person on the phone and not feel like I'm being watched. The reason they want us to come back? They miss everyone and want to have the family atmosphere back (which never existed). Keep in mind most of us can't afford to live in Boston- where our job is because they don't pay us enough to live near our jobs- so we commute an hour or more to work. I'm not a person who gives a s**t about my fellow employees. I'm sorry but I'm just not. I just don't understand this forced 'family' crap corp's try to force on us.

Kate Jones
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

@Reality Check ...Well, I'm well into my 40s so I'm not a millenial. And I think I work normally just fine. I think it's less normal to require people to put on a uniform for a non-customer facing job, force them drive on one of the most dangerous highways in the US to work everyday for a job that could be done from home, all for the sake of 'wanting to be together'. Also, they once filmed us and made us lip sync to RESPECT by Aretha Franklin while making us dance as a promotional video for a retreat they were having for the bigwigs (and couldn't see the irony of forcing employees to do such a thing to a song about respect) and then not allow us to continue a system that has been working well for 2 years to continue. They asked us to vote for how we wanted to work and the results were over 90% wanting to work from home, then decided against it because the bosses wanted everyone together for 'family' comradery. Meanwhile they are still working from home. So...yeah.

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Random Anon
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get the morons calling this dude a "shi**y employee". He did his job and fulfilled his role. For the duration of his working hours. This is what he is paid for. It's not about reserving his time exclusively for work in that 8 hours. This is 2022 right? I cannot fathom why people would rather be treated like slaves for that 8 hours.

Wesley Rossal
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about productivity, it's about spite and compliance. Upper management, owners and executives DESPISE the idea of getting a day's work done in less, and spending the rest as we will. Free, enjoying living, not tied to our job, and pursuing self interest. Low and middle management feel that they must be active in the job at all times and despise the fact that other employees could manage without that. Or them. Thus, this.

Shane S
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I spent the money on a mouse mover. I’m the same way. I am highly productive and get stuff done that it takes other workers all day to do. My boss isn’t a clock watcher but my coworkers are and so my mouse mover saves me drama when they think they are assigned more work than I am. If I were in the office, I’d just be playing on my phone or some other time waster. So what’s the difference between that and doing a load of laundry at home?

Robin Smith
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My reward for doing a large job in tech very quickly and correctly? I was made to do another techs same project that he messed up. That was the begining of the end and I quit soon afterwards.

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Michelle LF
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder why we feel like we have to pretend to have something to do at our cubes instead of being able to just not have anymore work to do?

RafCo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Companies that track these sorta of metrics are dumb. I had a company track number of bugs introduced. Indeed the total number of bugs went down. As did the number of new features. Another company based metrics on coffee coverage, and our code became overly complex, in order to increase coverage. It became mock city in that codebase. Metrics can be good, but as a view into a trend. Not as individual performance indicators. This chat idle nonsense is particularly stupid. What if they're in a meeting. When I'm on zoom, I go idle. When I'm on the phone, same. Do you know when I'm not idle. When I'm chatting on slack about movies or some other pointless nothing.

James Arvidson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why companies need to learn they reward what they track. Performance measures should be based on objective, controllable outcomes for that position. This requires understanding the process at a level of detail many are unwilling to commit to for many reasons.

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Drea Benoit
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Awesome :) people are almost always more productive working from home with no distractions and interruptions.

JayWantsACat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Im a project accountant. My monthly 'schedule' is essentially two weeks of frenzied work & overtime to meet my monthly revenue & cost recognition deadline & then two weeks of 'down' time where I only have a few required tasks but still deal with any manager and/or client questions, processing budget & cost estimate requests, etc. It's asinine to expect me to be at 100% capacity each & every day & with any position with similar requirements to mine. That's also with me being a team player by suggesting positive changes, taking on more responsibility & difficult accounts with no expectation of a pay adjustment. So if OP can complete their work in less than 8 hours a day, in what world is that not a good thing? They are fulfilling their obligations. Any issue should be with management & maybe load management, especially considering they state the main metric they're being judged on was 'idle' time & task completion doesn't seem to be an issue. Its sad when morons are anti-labor.

R L Walker
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, did you ever hit that on the head! I remember an extraneous prestigious name being hired from another organization, put in charge of some high-budgeted public-help project to justify his presence, when interns and residents had already been running the same project out of pocket or from donations. Some downsizes and delayed raises followed that move, and imagine how those volunteers felt, being grandstanded by somebody who just arrived.

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Darcy Marie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A few years ago I got in trouble for going idle/away in office chat AT work because I would be up away from my desk helping someone else, as my job required as team leader. They were mad because "what if we need to contact you?" Stand up and yell for me Tiffany is a g*d d*mn open room full of cubicles. My team constantly submitted me for these dumb corporate awards and we had this interoffice praise system that you could send a thank you for a coworker for helping them and at the end of the quarter for ever one you got your name was put in a drawing for a grand prize. My team loved me because I was always there for them and put them first. They were dealing with customers/general public and I was there to support and help them not sit around sucking corporates d*ck. My name was always removed because of my idle/away status. It's such a dumb metric.

Nowyermad
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As long as you're getting your job done, no one should complain, but STFU about what you are doing. Eventually some corporation will catch on to this and shut everyone down.

Donna Galanti
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And this is why I now work for myself! No more jiggling the mouse 😂

Nolgoth
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked for apple a few years back, from home, as an apple care rep. Managers actively watch their team’s screens from their own monitor. They can bring up your monitor without you knowing, turn on your webcam, they can even take over (which can be weird if you are trying to do something and your mouse randomly starts moving on its own).

Jo Choto
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The biggest problem here is that someone is being paid to work 8 hours but only has 3 - 5 hours work a day. I wonder how many other people experience this. Why on earth are they hiring if the people they have don't have enough work?

Jonathan Nichols
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because those inane mid level managers are absolutely incapable of actual management of people, whether through the design of the corporate structure, or by incompetence.

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Jessica N
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My sister tied a mouse to an oscillating fan. Your script is a much more elegant solution! My last office job definitely did not have enough work for 8 hours a day, we had to create tasks in the slow months esp February. I liked to stare thoughtfully at spreadsheets or create problems just to fix them.

Kiryn Silverwing
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, you've managed to find a real-world example of the autohotkey script I use to keep myself from getting disconnected due to AFK in online games. (When it takes 2-4 hours to log in, you definitely don't want to have to do it all over again because of pesky things like eating)

Robert Hicks
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The same guy used to measure employees by who was at their desk at 5:30 pm Same Dbag, different technology, Worked with a guy who was going to school, every day at 3 he would get out his books, study at his desk until 6 and go to class. If he didn't have school work it was a novel. Guess who was employee of the year? "his dedication is obvious". After he left for another company (employee of the year AND a masters degree did not warrant a raise) I told the boss what he used to do. I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel.

Paul Davis
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just a reminder that most managers, if they have degrees, have a degree in business...which I learned from rooming with business majors is the most half-assed, easy to pass curriculum in all of university.

Paula Allison
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right. If you enjoy your job minus the corporate BS and you're doing a good job minus the corporate BS, you have no reason to look for another company that "deserves" you ..and who cares if you do it in three hours. That's a stupid archaic concept that you have to "fill" 8 hours.

Samuel Pelatan
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd like to add the fact that it's not like he is "stealing" time to his company by working actively 3/5h during a 6/7h day. It is almost physically impossible to stay focus this long and is actually average office efficiency. Besides, he is matching his expectations so who cares ? You can't ask for both means and results. He gave them results, they asked for means, he showed them he could do that too, period. And for the "he could work more" people: maybe he can manage to successfully complete his work this fast because he has time to rest, change focus and anticipate. Charge him more and he will be slower and more prone to mistakes.

Tony Culler
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know how so many people avoid feeling guilty for getting paid to play video games. Most of your paycheck comes from clients. I don't know, maybe it's just my job.

Jenn Jackson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The vast majority of workers do not even handle clients, unless you're using the word to encompass every sort of end customer (internal or external). The entirety of my paycheck comes from an administration that refuses to establish guidelines on deadlines and workflow making the economics of time management impossible. It will never affect them when effective and competent workers like me are forced to mitigate it without authority or support. This means 4 months out of the year I am extremely overworked (and before anything is assumed, I'm hourly non-exempt) with no life preserver at the ready. The remaining 8 months, I'm in maintenance, which doesn't even begin to fill out the clock. I use a good deal of that spare time developing, writing, and presenting proposals on how to balance out the workflow and increase efficiency, proposals which are never heeded. I also screw off a not insignificant amount of the time. I'm not going to feel bad about it when I've done my due diligence.

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Marvelous Rex
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Have to be careful with those mouse mover exe's depending on where you work because they can get flagged by corp security software. This script could get flagged too. I know they show up in our security events and are technically against corp policy because they are circumventing security policies. I know ppl who were using them to keep machines from locking while doing large, time consuming file copies because if it locked, it would drop the connection. I completely understood why they were using them but management still flipped out when they saw the exes on some reports. Also had to laugh at the person who talked about just adjusting the timeout settings. A good system admin will lock those settings through group policy so you can't change them.

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Mark Dawson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another solution is open notepad and place a weight on your keyboard to trigger keystrokes. I use an old Samsung dex device. Remove weight and close notepad when u need to work.

Jenn Jackson
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Careful on this. A single keystroke is a command sent. Constant rapid fire commands can have unforeseen and devastating consequences. If anyone in the Midwest remembers the 3-day blackout of weather radar in the early-00's, I can assure you it was the direct result of this "solution". 😆😆

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Pamela Blue
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't understand why a company would use such a stupid way to see if their employees were working. I would have thought that the productivity of that employee would tell the tale, rather than how many times their keyboard blipped away. My daughter works from home, and if she didn't do her job, dozens of others wouldn't be able to do their's. So they know she's working, because everything is finished and ready for the other people who need her work to get their jobs done.

Quiet Space Photo Studio
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It actually just shows how much the workplace MUST change. How many of you waste time in the bathroom or employee break room during the day? Or linger at someone else's desk? Or fizzle out at 3, which renders you pretty much useless for the rest of the day, even after that afternoon coffee? And you still get your work done. Hmm? Shorter work days & workweek, regardless of remote or in office. Let employees who love the office atmosphere, stay there, while the rest work from home. As long as the work gets done & done right, that's what actually matters. So many factors for people who want to work remote. It's anxiety ridden, noise hating distractions, bright light headaches, nail biting traffic, time sucking travelers that NEED to work from home. Working in the office has caused so many people years of stress that we can't take it anymore. We're done. So, managers, presidents, if you want to miss out on great workers because you can't have a person in your face to control, your loss.

Mark Lundequist
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do not know much about the pay scale of Firefighters, but a lot of our local departments are "volunteer." As for your work day being 3-5 hours of productivity, may e your company should drop your full time status to part time status. It is only right to do so. Hate me if you will, but there are many who would love to work from home but can't or are not offered it like myself who works in an office.

Jessica Macklemoore
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hahahah all I kept thinking of was 1 of those red bird statue things with the top hat and monacles that people put on their desk that constantly dips down like its taking a drink and then up again, then down again every few seconds and how u could just put it over ur keyboard so it would be clicking a letter over and over all day lol but I agree with another comment on here where someone said they had jobs with 2 little 2 do and 2 much 2 do & cant decide what's worse. I used 2 lay on the floor of my bar wen I worked a very fancy country club & we had no closing time, it was wenever the last member decided 2 leave. Id b there alone 4 HOURS & the bar was tiny so id clean it 10 times & still have hrs left of nothing. Didnt kno if I'd leave at 8pm or 1 am if someone wanted a late dinner. Then id have nightmares at my office job of being buried alive under mortgage refinance orders.

Jonathan West
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why I simply can't work for employers who aren't goal oriented. If I can't see a finish line, I can't see a point. I'm no factory machine. And I'm also not stupid. I already know 100% what I gotta get done and in what order. Any twerps input into my workflow is nothing but a hindrance. You're not my supervisor in any literal sense of the word. Since around the time I hit 30, there hasn't been a supervisor I've had that could even do my job half as well. They're there to field "ideas" from management and to buy tools, parts, chemicals when WE say we need it. You do small budgets and time cards. I haven't had a supervisor tell me how to work since I was around 25. But I'm not an office worker. I think white collar jobs could learn a lot from some blue collar jobs. You guys do realize that management doesn't set goals for you cause if they did they'd lose the ability to constantly nag you, right? And that script? His bosses think they "fixed" him.

David Dazo
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I thank God I don't work in an Office.. What a horrible life it may be.. I am a contractor and make 2-3 times more then most and I mean MOST office workers but I get dirty.. People always look at us like we are fools who know nothing and just cuss and drink.. But guess what we don't have to jiggle a mouse or have someone telling me to type all day.. Most of the time I tell my guys if you finish early you get your 8.. That's most construction companies.. Office life is for the birds..

Donna Wagner
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What happened to giving 8 hrs and get paid for 8 hrs. If you only work 3 to 5 hrs that's what you should be paid for. So salary 8n office hourly at home. If you were the owner you would see it that way too.

Mrs Mulka 2.0
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's because boomers and old hierarchies don't understand what the concept of being paid to be available means 9 out of 10 you're there in case you need to do something okay something pops up you can handle it immediately they don't understand that nobody can be 100% busy 100% of the time burnout alone would take out someone this concept of there's always work is a lie and it's something that they tell themselves so they don't feel like they're wasting money paying a bunch of people to sit there when inevitably that's what they do with that's part of having a physical workforce and we need to stop allowing this wrong and stupid mindset to keep going

Jeremy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The comment/suggestion up above to chnage to show inactive after X minutes is something companies can disable/override via group policy. My prior company overrode this via GPO despite whatever the user would set. My current company appears to have removed/hidden the option and or also overrides it. Fortunately, my current boss directly told me he doesn't care what I do or when, as long as I get my work done. I have fear of big brother watching engrained in me regardless from the years of being conditioned to check my status though.

Ryan C
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imagine being mad at this. Imagine thinking ppl actually "work" for 7 hours a day. Ppl are stupid. Change the work day to be shorter TBH.

Erica GrnEyez
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am so confused...if you are actively listening in a MEETING...well...shouldn't you NOT be distracted by chatting with others or doing stuff on your computer...but rather writing notes while watching the meeting...very odd from the manager...and shouldn't the manager be focusing on the contents of the meeting rather than keep checking status of his or her workers...extremely odd...micromanaging

Amy Mable
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an employer, I find this deceitful. WFH doesn't work with people that read books and watch TV on the employer's dime. That's stealing, imh.

Dan dan
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe instead of complaining you should tell the boss hey I only work three hours a day. Even though you paid me for eight hours a day. I’ve actually been robbing you. Please send me more work to do. I have 3 to 5 hours a day of extra time and could be so much more productive. Please send me more work because I don’t want to be a scumbag robbing you of your money for doing nothing. Maybe that should be the response and I bet the response you got would’ve been a lot different. You should be ashamed not proud

Chris Wesley
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't need a mouse jiggler and you don't need to program. Just put any weighted object on the control key. Done. You're welcome

Monkey Spunk
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just stick a webcam up in a browser, as long as the video's running it keeps you "green".

Pat Bond
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This guy needs to read between the lines. His face doesn't fit in that company.

AmjD S
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol honestly reading this article makes me laugh honestly and especially a comment where the person was putting a book on keyboard button to keep the laptop active and stopping it from into screen lock or idle mode. Shocked absolutely. I wish I could educate these people. Do one thing Google a tool called "mouse jiggler", run it and you won't have to deal with such a crap mentioned in this artile

AmjD S
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol honestly reading this article makes me laugh honestly and especially a comment where the person was putting a book on keyboard button to keep the laptop active and stopping it from into screen lock or idle mode. Shocked absolutely. I wish I could educate these people. I wouldn't even hire such naive people. Do one thing Google a tool called "mouse jiggler", run it and you won't have to deal with such a crap mentioned in this artile

Donna Galanti
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hilarious! I jiggled the mouse fifteen years ago to not be idle 🙂

Joshua Parnell
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2 years ago

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Marina Rocha
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Company should raise his goals. If they are paying him a salary for full 8 hours and he is only working 5, his goals are not adjusted to his workload. If he were paid by task then yes, the idle thing doesn't matter. Otherwise it does

Jenn Jackson
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually, if they raise his goals they should also raise his pay since he clearly supercedes the expectation they laid out for him and for which they assigned a monetary value. To do otherwise is explicitly treating people as resources to be exploited.

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William Walton
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2 years ago

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And yet lemme guess, none of these people make a “livable wage” or whatever the hell, god we have it so so good, we were all born in the cushiest time of all time.

TiDus Mark
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2 years ago

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Oh, the guy who watches TV, plays video games and reads books on company time is the hero in this story? Wtf is this entitled world coming to? You don't want to go back to work because the metrics prove you're more productive at home? Why the f**k would anyone want to pay for 8 hours of work when you only admit to actually doing 5? I hope they make you hourly and only pay you for work done. This type of mentality sickens me.

Boblawblaslawblog
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's free market capitalism isn't it? If one guy can work 50 percent faster than the rest, doesn't that mean his time is worth more? If he or she accomplished in 5 hours the same amount of work as someone else does in 8 hours, I fail to see the problem. If you think he should get more work to do, what does that say about the others? Are they not pulling their own weight at work? The problem is management. Not the employees. As a manager, I accommodated my most productive employees. I needed them more than they needed me. As long as the production goals were met, and we ran out of work, I'd let them leave early, or go read the paper. Nobody got hurt. No one died. Everyone was happy. We all made money. Austerity for the sake of austerity makes everyone miserable. There were enough employers willing to hire away my crew that I couldn't afford to micromanage my employees to death. What good would it do to be "that guy"?

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Reality Check
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2 years ago

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Nope young people today dont work. They dont know what it takes to work. Their whole lives they were given a participation award and they've lived off that their whole lives. In the real world its dog eat dog and if they dont get their way they cry in their cry room. Todays young people have zero work ethic. Work from home they accomplish zero then dont understand when they are fired. Sorry, you do no work you dont get a participation award your gone little biden supporter. Todays adults need to grow up and be adults

Alisha Reyna
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is your metric on that statistic? Most companies are seeing astronomical profits, and the job market is insanely competitive and you basically need a masters degree and a laundry list of requirements just to get an interview. But tell me again how no one is working because Fox News or some of your boomer friends posted a fake quote on FB...

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Tom
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2 years ago

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If you only have 3-5 hours of work per day, then you should only be getting paid for those hours IMO.

Shane S
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So you should be assigned more work than someone else who is less competent? If it’s the same work and it takes me 3 hours but my colleague 8 hours, why should I be punished? Sounds like jealousy to me.

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Jackson Stewart
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2 years ago

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This entire post makes me sick. You millennials have no idea what its like to work your ass off for 9+ hours a day only to go home, stress over it and go back and do it again. Wait until you entitled cry babies are 50 years old and you really have to work for a living.

Jyndaru
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most of us do know what that's like though. For years I worked 12+ hour days, going to one job from 7AM-4PM, then straight to another job from 5-11PM. I've done physical labor, retail, and office work. Some of it was easy, some of it was damn nigh impossible. But there's absolutely nothing good about overworking yourself. And there's nothing wrong with finding ways to be efficient and to make your workday more bearable. This idea, that we should only be proud if we're constantly working, is the reason you're so angry now. I know how it feels; I hurt myself and made myself physically ill for work. And guess what? I'm NOT proud of what I did to myself just for money! So please stop telling people they're not good enough just because they don't live for work. The OP got their work done; it shouldn't matter what they did afterwards.

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Rick Seiden
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2 years ago

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If you don't have enough to do at work to fill an 8 hour day, either your job isn't full time and you should be moved to salary, or you should talk to your boss about finding other work. This isn't about being a boot licker, this is about the fact that you are paid for a full time job, and you're not giving that. Maybe you can pick up something new and exciting. Who knows. Having said that, I had a company that wouldn't let me turn on the flipping screensaver. I built a plug in USB device that pretended it was a mouse and moved in a 10 pixel square every minute.

Lauren Caswell
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have a huge society built up around automation of tasks, labour saving devices, paring down the jobs more than they create them. At the same time the population grows, the wealth has not transferred to a new generation, retirement schemes aren't working for older people, and so much more. Of course we need to contribute to society, all of us who are able at any given time. But it's not just as simple as 'the job should be part time'. Even in a basic view, his idle time will likely be interspersed with work, not separated into neat loppable categories 🤷‍♀️ we have changed our systems before (industrial revolution, ending feudalism, agriculture). This has been a big technological revolution, and there is a generational knowledge gap like we have not seen since the industrial revolution. TLDR: times change.

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Tom Hanlin
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2 years ago

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Another happy little case of worker fraud. There may be some reason your manager doesn't trust you.

Kris
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see you focused on the fix but none of the context. Do you not understand the ridiculousness of why it was necessary? Micromanaging a good employee bc they're getting all work done and have nothing to do is the embodiment of stupidity.

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