Doesn't seem like too many religious people refrain from doing the wrong thing, most of the time in my life's experience with them.

This indicates that atheists have better morals than the people with religious beliefs

As long as they refrain from killing, who cares what their reason is.

No need to be religious, really. Judging from the things I've witnessed people say, it seems to me there's a concerning number of folks who would be totally okay with killing each other if it weren't illegal. Like.... no, mate, the law is not what keeps me from killing you, actually, and I feel pity for you and am a bit concerned for my own safety.... (not you yourself, obviously, just expressing how I feel when people discuss these things)

You should look up the history of the abuse in the Catholic Church. They've killed people to cover it up. I see more people who thinks going to church gives them a free pass to do anything that's horrible. Look at all those little who found religion on jail after murdering people. Not believing in hell doesn't make someone more likely to kill. Morals are why people don't.

That was the point.

Far more use religion as a reason to kill.

It also raises the question, who in general refrain from murder simply because there is a high risk of punishment for said crime?

or because is illegal. is the same principle

Furthermore, the statement implies that religious people don't kill other people. All religious wars are actually not religious wars?!

Probably not as many as atheists who refrain from murder because they aren’t religious and simply realize it just isn’t worth going to prison for life (in most cases, anyway). Oh, and don’t have some mythical being “making” them do it.

Too often they use "religion" to justify murder.

Basically none of them. Actually, historically (and sadly, today) many people kill other -because- they were religious...

Some don't. Cartels and Mafia are known to be religious.

They certainly buy enough guns to be prepared to do so if they need to.

Me

...and is it more or less than the number of people who murder because they ARE religious?

hahahahaha exactly what the post said haha

I sure don't.

You think it is about the same amount who kill because of their religion? Like, does it even out at the end of the day?

Isn't that what the comment said?

Ideally religion should teach a deeper meaning in the universe and impart some moral framework to live your life by. I hate it when non-religious or anti-religious people don't understand that religion is not the end all be all of a persons soul, it is simply how you orientate yourself towards ultimate reality. And yeah if religion failed to teach you how to actually be a decent person, it wants to minimize the damage those types of people can do, by nasty consequences. But the moral failings of a specific person is them. Teaching can only take you so far. The other person has to bridge the gap.

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See I'm religious and my beliefs is there are reasons for the rules. And also that you should be following them not just because God says so.

I highly doubt God is the only thing keeping people from being dirtbags.

Also an atheist. And yeah, we don't want them.

Yeah..... that pretty much tells you right there that those people are evil and would love to commit atrocities if it weren't for the interference of "god". I mean, they flat out admitted it. Terrifying people.

i'm a christian but i really don't give a f//k, the only reason i don't go around k!lling people is cause i don't feel like it. i have satanist friends, wiccan friends, agnostic friends, atheist friends, muslim friends, morman friends...it's like "this is what i believe. i don't care what you believe. it doesn't really matter. let's just live life."

The separation of religion and state is a fairly new concept. So to draw a line between political and religious killings is near Impossible for most of history.

🤨 how does anyone do the mental gymnastics to end up with that?! How can 1 be christian and not live the word of Christ. He wanted His followers to not judge and show kindness to His enemies. I wish more christians would actually study the bible not just read the verses that fit their needs completely out of context.

Well the news only really reports the bad stuff so...

That number is debatable because how many cities were those statistics based on?

What studies?

Stop the sweeping generalizations please. I'm Christian, and I couldn't think of a single member of my church that would do any of these things regardless of their religion. And before you say my ethic rely on me not going to hell, I also study the philosophy of ethics from both Western and Eastern philosophy.

and yknow it's weird cause i guess theres a difference between "believing in" and "trusting" God. I firmly believe in Jesus Christ and died on the cross to save our sins and heaven and hell and the whole bible stuff blah blah blah and nothing can shake that, but it's really not something that I think about often and I really, REALLY don't care if people believe any different and I don't necessarily think other religions/beliefs are "wrong". It's just "This is what I believe. That's nice. Doesn't really matter tho." so like am I agnostic or chrisian? someone help-