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Guy Asks Why Dragons Have Eyes On The Sides Of Their Heads If They Are Predators, A Tumblr User Gives A Scientific Explanation
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Guy Asks Why Dragons Have Eyes On The Sides Of Their Heads If They Are Predators, A Tumblr User Gives A Scientific Explanation

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Once you filter out all of the fake news, annoying ads, and relentless trolls, the internet becomes a truly amazing place. The idea of it being the ultimate compendium of knowledge alone shows just how awesome it is. What makes it so darn special on a whole new level, though, is the fact that people gather here to ask the questions nobody ever really needed answers to, but now that someone did venture down that road, we suddenly require that knowledge.

Enter Tumblr user galahadwilder and his thought-provoking suggestion on dragon evolution. He works his way up from the assumption that dragons, serpentine legendary creatures that breathe fire, have eyes on the side of their heads, which is generally considered a feature of a prey species, not a predator. However, in reality (well, all right, in fantasy), dragons are nowhere near prey status because of their size and the fact that they are omnivorous, fire-breathing, gargantuan beasts. So, what gives?

Another Tumblr user by the nickname of pyrrhiccomedy responded to this inquiry by dropping some knowledge on the topic. Now, this isn’t your run-of-the-mill internet blabber, but rather a proper scientific response that we invite you to read below.

More info: galahadwilder.tumblr.com

A Tumblr user threw out an idea into the internet about dragons actually being prey and not predators

Image credits: Joel Sartore, National Geographic Photo Ark

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Image credits: Daniel Schwen

His argument’s based on the idea that dragons have eyes on the side, a trait typical of most prey animals

Image credits: The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug

Image credits: galahadwilder

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Galahadwilder based his ideas on the assumption that predators have eyes on the front, like wolves, so that they can target their prey and dash forward for the kill.

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Likewise, prey have eyes on the side so that they can better spot danger coming in and always be alert with their wider optic angle.

So, since a dragon has its eyes on the sides, does this make it… the prey? After all, that is a prey characteristic, right? Well, not quite. And Tumblr user pyrrhiccomedy steps in to explain below.

Another Tumblr user stepped in to correct and elaborate on this assumption, and people loved it

He explained that eye positioning isn’t based on the animal’s role but rather on their nature and environment

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Pyrrhiccomedy gives a detailed explanation of why a dragon’s eye placement is the way it is. First, apart from pesky knights in shining armor, dragons are most likely to be attacked by other dragons. Just like fish, dragons would need to worry more about being attacked from any direction when in flight.

Also, they don’t really need binocular vision as they don’t rely heavily on depth perception. Their primary attack is their fire breath, and, as such, this “flamethrower” isn’t really a weapon of accuracy. They don’t need precision and it doesn’t matter if it’s from 5 meters or 20 meters away that they char their foes.

After all, some predators benefit more from seeing a wide angle as opposed to a narrow angle of vision

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Thus, because of their predators and fire breath, dragons benefit more from seeing like a fish rather than a wolf

Image credits: pyrrhiccomedy

So, there you have it, folks. You probably never needed to know this, but now you do, and you’re better for it. What are your thoughts on this? Do you agree or not? Let us know in the comments below!

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Some time ago, Robertas used to spend his days watching how deep the imprint in his chair will become as he wrote for Bored Panda. Wrote about pretty much everything under and beyond the sun. Not anymore, though. He's now probably playing Gwent or hosting Dungeons and Dragons adventures for those with an inclination for chaos.

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Hazel Waring
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am genuinely going to use this example to introduce evolution and adaptations for my A level Biology students next term. Brilliant - go nerds!

me
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some dragons in How to Train Your Dragon have monocular vision and some have binocular.

Hazel Waring
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually think this is a great example (and everyone get off your flipping high horses of which fiction is "more real" than other fiction, jeez). If there are overlaps of monocular and binocular vision it's an interesting case of reduced survival pressures such as inter-dragon aggression meaning different adaptations can evolve.

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Michael Franklin
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again, people fall to the assumption "if it looks like a reptile, it must be one". Not all dragons are depicted with the eyes on the sides of their heads. Some even have human eyes (Eustace) and can shed tears. All evolutionary theories go out the window with dragons. Dare I say I'm the only one that believes dragons can talk and read?

Kenny Kulbiski
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dragons have eyes slightly to the side to avoid the glare from flaming cities, knights, etc. After all, those claws make putting on welding goggles a hassle and sunglasses are impractical.

mph seti
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dragons in D&D all have binocular vision. It's been explicitly mentioned for pretty much the whole history of the game.

Jon S.
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just looking at the pictures in the 5e Monster Manual. The young dragons have eyes on the side of their head. The adults and ancients (mostly) towards the front. It goes with the theory that the small dragons behave like prey and the adults like predators.

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Markus Holstein
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4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also with forward-facing eyes dragons would probably suffer permanent lens damage from the infrared radiation of their fire breath, similar to glass blowers or furnace workers

Laugh or not
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cryptobiology and xenobiology are such fascinating intersections of Art and Science. To apply all we have learn from our real world to the realms of our imagination, not to destroy them, but to make them stronger.

Lispel- Lotte
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And I thought they would need monocular sight to protect their hoard.

Jim Ellington
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pretty much all encounters I've had with dragons in fiction or reality place the dragon in the role of prey. They usually sleep peacefully in their lair atop their treasure hoards when they are suddenly attacked by groups of adventurers seeking fame and fortune.

Jon S.
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was painting a model of a T-rex the other day and wondering why they had eyes on the side of their head. This article gives me a few possible answers!

Hans
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In this very case, you may consider that according to Tolkien mythology, Dragons did not evolve but were created by Morgoth. And Morgoth (Melkor) likely had an idea why he did so. :)

DC
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

... if during childhood you are prey, and when grown up are a predator, you gotta get through childhood, first, so whatever helps you there will be the regular. Once you're big enough to avoid being prey, you can't just evolve any chosen properties you'd like ... Ok, Butt-head once planned to evolve a bigger wiener, but ... he's dragon's prey anyway...

Claire Bear
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dragons also need to keep an eye on their hoard of treasure at all times. So, monocular vision is good for that.

Serafina diMerrowvingia
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To the person on the original thread who said 'I always thought that dragons were inspired by dinosaur skeletons' I always thought that dragons came up because some peasant was like, 'what if lizards could fly? and breathe fire that's so cool' and viola dragons

Iapetos
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Chickens have both monocular and binocular vision. I've seen one catching a fly right out of the air. It is beautiful.

Bill
Community Member
4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How did the fire breathing evolve? How did the variants such as chlorine gas, ice, lightning or acid come about?

Michael Franklin
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IF there is an evolutionary angle, hydrogen would be the best bet. Like an electric eel, electrolysis separates oxygen from hydrogen. If the dragon has a separate stomach for the hydrogen, it can be stored for both fire AND lifting, like a dirigible. Flame would be a ghostly pale blue upon exiting. A simple grinding of the sharp teeth could provide the spark for combustion. Source of fuel would simply be water. Much cleaner for the dragon and all involved.

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Shadow the Dragon King
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As for what can kill dragons… look at the sea monsters in those stories, like the Nïdhwal, the World Serpent, or the Submaripper

Cat Dragon
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay if I ever have to write a scientific essay about an animal I'm using this and writing about the Majestic Dragon

Jon Buckley
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The found fossil thing is the comment I find most interesting. I've assumed the finding of dinosaur bones led to the dragon story and the lucky guy who came to town with the head, was king.

Michael Franklin
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F... the eyes. Don't you see the EARS? Both Oriental and Western dragons often have EXTERNAL ears. Don't you get it? They both usually have snake belly scutes. For Orientals and Wes terners to agree on something, this is pretty profound..It doesn't take a genius to see something in common. They are not that far apart.F the evolution, see what dragons have in common. F the wars and gold, dragons best power and magic are the love they hold over us.

George Digamma
Community Member
4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that dragons have monocular vision because most of the dragon paintings show their profile (the side of them).

JK Rowling
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually, good point. Similarly to how aquatic life doesn't really use binocular vision regardless of food chain hierarchy, in the air dragons would also have to watch out for other dragons, since an attack could come from literally any direction up there too.

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Ani Archeron
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4 years ago

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Euripides Georgantzos
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4 years ago

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Marcellus the Third
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What rot. Look at any viper, say a rattlesnake: Very clearly a predator, very clearly forward-facing eyes... Now look at a sideview and --- very clearly side-facing eyes. What is this magic?! Same holds for dragons; so it's posed as a false either-or situation. Vipers get preyed upon a lot by raptors (non-veloci! eagles, kites, etc!) so actually quite up-facing eyes; dragons are worried about hobbits stealing their treasure, hence the sideview.

Michael Franklin
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If dragons are worried about their treasure being seized, the whole point about the orientation of their eyes is moot. To comprehend the value of gold is way beyond that of a normal beast. I just think the orientation of eyes is irrelevant when discussing the habits of an obviously sentient creature. No disrespect intended.

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Origami Chik3n
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4 years ago

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So, according to OP, Great White Shark is a prey. Good to know...

Batty
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's pretty much the opposite of what this article was trying to convey. Congratulations.

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WilvanderHeijden
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4 years ago

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This whole discussions is just absurd. Firebreathing dragons do not exist except for the occassional mother in law and they have binocular vision.

Batty
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

By your logic, fiction itself is just absurd. Grow up, learn to have fun. That stick up your a*s must be pretty painful.

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Theherplover
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4 years ago

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Who doesn't know this tho like anyone who has studied dragons for a day realizes this BP get some better stories.

Hazel Waring
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am genuinely going to use this example to introduce evolution and adaptations for my A level Biology students next term. Brilliant - go nerds!

me
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some dragons in How to Train Your Dragon have monocular vision and some have binocular.

Hazel Waring
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually think this is a great example (and everyone get off your flipping high horses of which fiction is "more real" than other fiction, jeez). If there are overlaps of monocular and binocular vision it's an interesting case of reduced survival pressures such as inter-dragon aggression meaning different adaptations can evolve.

Load More Replies...
Michael Franklin
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again, people fall to the assumption "if it looks like a reptile, it must be one". Not all dragons are depicted with the eyes on the sides of their heads. Some even have human eyes (Eustace) and can shed tears. All evolutionary theories go out the window with dragons. Dare I say I'm the only one that believes dragons can talk and read?

Kenny Kulbiski
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dragons have eyes slightly to the side to avoid the glare from flaming cities, knights, etc. After all, those claws make putting on welding goggles a hassle and sunglasses are impractical.

mph seti
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dragons in D&D all have binocular vision. It's been explicitly mentioned for pretty much the whole history of the game.

Jon S.
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just looking at the pictures in the 5e Monster Manual. The young dragons have eyes on the side of their head. The adults and ancients (mostly) towards the front. It goes with the theory that the small dragons behave like prey and the adults like predators.

Load More Replies...
Markus Holstein
Community Member
4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also with forward-facing eyes dragons would probably suffer permanent lens damage from the infrared radiation of their fire breath, similar to glass blowers or furnace workers

Laugh or not
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cryptobiology and xenobiology are such fascinating intersections of Art and Science. To apply all we have learn from our real world to the realms of our imagination, not to destroy them, but to make them stronger.

Lispel- Lotte
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And I thought they would need monocular sight to protect their hoard.

Jim Ellington
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pretty much all encounters I've had with dragons in fiction or reality place the dragon in the role of prey. They usually sleep peacefully in their lair atop their treasure hoards when they are suddenly attacked by groups of adventurers seeking fame and fortune.

Jon S.
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was painting a model of a T-rex the other day and wondering why they had eyes on the side of their head. This article gives me a few possible answers!

Hans
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In this very case, you may consider that according to Tolkien mythology, Dragons did not evolve but were created by Morgoth. And Morgoth (Melkor) likely had an idea why he did so. :)

DC
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

... if during childhood you are prey, and when grown up are a predator, you gotta get through childhood, first, so whatever helps you there will be the regular. Once you're big enough to avoid being prey, you can't just evolve any chosen properties you'd like ... Ok, Butt-head once planned to evolve a bigger wiener, but ... he's dragon's prey anyway...

Claire Bear
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Dragons also need to keep an eye on their hoard of treasure at all times. So, monocular vision is good for that.

Serafina diMerrowvingia
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To the person on the original thread who said 'I always thought that dragons were inspired by dinosaur skeletons' I always thought that dragons came up because some peasant was like, 'what if lizards could fly? and breathe fire that's so cool' and viola dragons

Iapetos
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Chickens have both monocular and binocular vision. I've seen one catching a fly right out of the air. It is beautiful.

Bill
Community Member
4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How did the fire breathing evolve? How did the variants such as chlorine gas, ice, lightning or acid come about?

Michael Franklin
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IF there is an evolutionary angle, hydrogen would be the best bet. Like an electric eel, electrolysis separates oxygen from hydrogen. If the dragon has a separate stomach for the hydrogen, it can be stored for both fire AND lifting, like a dirigible. Flame would be a ghostly pale blue upon exiting. A simple grinding of the sharp teeth could provide the spark for combustion. Source of fuel would simply be water. Much cleaner for the dragon and all involved.

Load More Replies...
Shadow the Dragon King
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As for what can kill dragons… look at the sea monsters in those stories, like the Nïdhwal, the World Serpent, or the Submaripper

Cat Dragon
Community Member
7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay if I ever have to write a scientific essay about an animal I'm using this and writing about the Majestic Dragon

Jon Buckley
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The found fossil thing is the comment I find most interesting. I've assumed the finding of dinosaur bones led to the dragon story and the lucky guy who came to town with the head, was king.

Michael Franklin
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F... the eyes. Don't you see the EARS? Both Oriental and Western dragons often have EXTERNAL ears. Don't you get it? They both usually have snake belly scutes. For Orientals and Wes terners to agree on something, this is pretty profound..It doesn't take a genius to see something in common. They are not that far apart.F the evolution, see what dragons have in common. F the wars and gold, dragons best power and magic are the love they hold over us.

George Digamma
Community Member
4 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think that dragons have monocular vision because most of the dragon paintings show their profile (the side of them).

JK Rowling
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Actually, good point. Similarly to how aquatic life doesn't really use binocular vision regardless of food chain hierarchy, in the air dragons would also have to watch out for other dragons, since an attack could come from literally any direction up there too.

Load More Replies...
Ani Archeron
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment has been deleted.

Euripides Georgantzos
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment has been deleted.

Marcellus the Third
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What rot. Look at any viper, say a rattlesnake: Very clearly a predator, very clearly forward-facing eyes... Now look at a sideview and --- very clearly side-facing eyes. What is this magic?! Same holds for dragons; so it's posed as a false either-or situation. Vipers get preyed upon a lot by raptors (non-veloci! eagles, kites, etc!) so actually quite up-facing eyes; dragons are worried about hobbits stealing their treasure, hence the sideview.

Michael Franklin
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If dragons are worried about their treasure being seized, the whole point about the orientation of their eyes is moot. To comprehend the value of gold is way beyond that of a normal beast. I just think the orientation of eyes is irrelevant when discussing the habits of an obviously sentient creature. No disrespect intended.

Load More Replies...
Origami Chik3n
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

So, according to OP, Great White Shark is a prey. Good to know...

Batty
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's pretty much the opposite of what this article was trying to convey. Congratulations.

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WilvanderHeijden
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

This whole discussions is just absurd. Firebreathing dragons do not exist except for the occassional mother in law and they have binocular vision.

Batty
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

By your logic, fiction itself is just absurd. Grow up, learn to have fun. That stick up your a*s must be pretty painful.

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Theherplover
Community Member
4 years ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

Who doesn't know this tho like anyone who has studied dragons for a day realizes this BP get some better stories.

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