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Guy Leaves $10 Tip In A Fancy Restaurant Instead Of The Expected $14, Doesn’t Expect Things To Escalate So Horribly
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Guy Leaves $10 Tip In A Fancy Restaurant Instead Of The Expected $14, Doesn’t Expect Things To Escalate So Horribly

The Way This Server Reacted To A Small Tip Will Infuriate YouGuy Takes His Date To A Classy Restaurant, And The Way This Waitress Reacts To The Tip Being Too Small Will Infuriate YouGuy Takes His Date To Classy Restaurant But Can't Afford To Tip, And This Waitresses Reaction Will Infuriate YouThe Way This Waitress Reacted To Her Tip Being Too Small Will Infuriate YouWaitress Comes Back And Asks If Something Bad Happened Due To The Size Of The Tip, And It Escalates QuicklyGuy Leaves $10 Tip Instead Of Expected $14, Gets Shamed By Waiter So Badly That It Ruins His DateGuy Leaves $10 Tip Instead Of The Expected $14, And The Waitresses Reaction Will Infuriate YouGuy Leaves $10 Tip In A Fancy Restaurant Instead Of The Expected $14, Doesn't Expect Things To Escalate So HorriblyThis Waitresses Reaction To A Small Tip Was Something No Customer Should ExperienceGuy Leaves $10 Tip In A Fancy Restaurant Instead Of The Expected $14, Doesn't Expect Things To Escalate So Horribly
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As a non-American I gotta say I really don’t get the tipping system over there in the US of A. Servers get the tip they deserve, based on quality of service, right? There is no law or obligation to tip? It all seems mighty confusing and an unnecessary source of potential confrontation at a time when people are supposed to be out enjoying themselves. Why can’t restaurants just pay their servers properly in the first place? The unspoken rules and expectations make the whole situation so…arbitrary.

Imgur user noctynight encountered such a situation while on a date recently, finding himself embarrassingly short when it came time to pay up and tip the server. Sure, it was poor planning on his behalf, but he sheepishly managed to scrape up 15% of the bill for the service received, and was all set to leave the restaurant and go home.

Except that wasn’t to be the end of it. The server had a few questions to ask about the tip, and the quality of her service. Needless to say, it didn’t end well. Scroll down to check the story out for yourself, and let us know what you think in the comments! (Cover image: Matt Chan)

“Had a wonderful dinner date, all that’s left is to pay the bill and head out”

Image credits: Chris Goldberg (Not an actual photo)

“Server comes back and asks if something bad has happened due to the size of her tip…”

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“Try to explain to the server that there was nothing wrong and we just could’t afford to put in anymore”

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Image credits: Kent Wang (Not an actual photo)

“Server: ‘Sir. I would actually be offended if I accepted something as small as this'”

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Ilona Baliūnaitė

Ilona Baliūnaitė

Author, BoredPanda staff

I'm a Visual Editor at Bored Panda since 2017. I've searched through a multitude of images to create over 2000 diverse posts on a wide range of topics. I love memes, funny, and cute stuff, but I'm also into social issues topics. Despite my background in communication, my heart belongs to visual media, especially photography. When I'm not at my desk, you're likely to find me in the streets with my camera, checking out cool exhibitions, watching a movie at the cinema or just chilling with a coffee in a cozy place

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Andres Tejeda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand why the server was mad, but she has to realize. Tips are 100% voluntary people do not "need" to tip. It is highly encouraged and a common social practice but again you do not have too legally tip them, and the fact that she basically publically shamed someone for a what she thought was a small tip means that she should probably not be a server. If you something that small makes you flip out then you are in the wrong business.

stellermatt
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

why don't restaurants add a % to the meal costs knowing that a certain amount will go to the chef and a certain amount to the waitress/waiter, a % going to the person cleaning the tables/dishes/room and the rest goes to the owner... I'm all for tips, but unless it states you MUST tip, surely they should get what the person can afford or feels they want to leave?

Randy Inbred
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a great idea Matt. Restaurants won't do it though because it will count as extra income that they will incur tax on. The staff won't like it either because the % payments will have to go on their official pay and therefore they will be taxed on it too. That's why tips work for both restaurants and staff in some ways. Just maybe not for customers.

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Amina Hays
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm English and have been to New York a few times. One of the times I went with my best friend and took him to a restaurant I fell in love with on a precious trip. We left money on the table for the bill and were unsure how much to tip so roughly worked it out and left a few dollars more just in case. The waitress followed us out of he restaurant and across the road to say we hadn't tipped enough. Unbelievable.

Xiaolaohu
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sorry for your experience, but let me stress the caveat that New York is NOT representative of the rest of us in the USA.

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Jolijn Njamin-Geurts van Kessel
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where I come from you don't NEED to tip, when you tip it's something extra you want to give or to round up the money you have to pay. So to me 15% allready sounds like a big tip.

Agnes Jekyll
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

except in the states, waitresses survive on tips. Their wages are lower than minimum wage.

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marcelo D.
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is it with the us and forced tipping. as a rebuttal for the waiter claiming that "if you cant afford the tip, then i suggest you choose a more suitable establishment" would be "if you can't afford to live on the wage, then i suggest you choose a more suitable job". It's the responsability of the employer to pay the staff, not of the patrons. Tipping started as a way for patrons to help a staffer cause of poor wage, but was in no way or means an obligation. You have a job for a wage, if your job doesn't pay you enough, take it to your employer, not the patrons.

Caroline Murphy
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

because unlike a lot of other countries, they aren't paid a wage. I mean if in the UK for example (not sure where you're from but that's where I live) do you think employers would pay their employees minimum wage (which is c**p anyway) if they weren't forced to? No.. A lot of employers would be greedy and give them far less, which is where tipping would come in

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Kenny Kulbiski
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I once paid a $20 ticket with a $50 dollar bill. The waitress asked me if I wanted my change. Yeah, every bit of it. I bartended for a little bit a know it's a tough gig but if you can't deal with petty b******t you need a career change.

Mark Grudzinski
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I once went out with a group of colleagues to a pretty cheesy sports bar after work. Our server was surly, gruff and most absent for most of the night. When the bill came around we all agreed that we'd only tip her 10%. She had the gall to not only confront us, but also had a giant bouncer standing behind her. A woman in our group gave her an earful, and soon the terrible server was backing away from us, and the bouncer was trying hard not to laugh. Justice served.

Subject 81
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can't believe you guys tipped her that much if the service was so horrible.

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Star-Light Star-Bright
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Words from my waitress mother: tipping is preferred and encouraged, not required. You accept what tips you get or don't get, and you NEVER question it. If you want complain about it on your own time, go ahead, but not while you're at work, even after they've left. Some people would have left $5 or less, maybe even nothing. That waitress should have just kept her mouth shut and be grateful she got a tip at all.

Dan Z
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an American, I think tipping is garbage. Ill tip if you earned it, don't expect it. Your salary is up to you and your boss. I am already supporting you but coming to dine. If you don't like the pay, find another job.

anarkzie
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a Brit, I simply don't understand Americans and tipping, you are paid by the restuarant to be there and the customer pays the restaurant for his/her meal, a tip is extra money not a right in most countries.

Cici Snow
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They are not paid much some servers only make $2.50-$4.50 per hour because they figure in tips. They also must declare tips for taxes. It's a really system.

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Sasy
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What c**p, i have also owned a cafe and while not in the US my staff were payed a wage, any tips they got were deserved bonuses for good service. I have been to the US and you are not charging customers less, just paying less, a customer shoukd not pay the wages of your staff, mistakes happen they were giving ten dollars, if a wait staff person got a ten dollar tip in Oz they woukd be elated that someone thought so highly of them. TEN DOLLARS is another meal, the US policies for wait staff are criminal.

Cici Snow
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know some people who only leave $3-$5 no matter the bill! I think it's time to just pay servers a fair wage. Restaurants a few over both the waiter and the customer by this practice. Just another example of corporate greed. This waitress apparently thought its ok to confront a person who left her a decent too but that's not the norm.

Brandon Collinsworth
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When did 15% not become the standard tip? I go up to 20% if the service is very good, but 15% is what I was taught you were supposed to tip. Have I been a jerk my whole life? Which would be very strange because my mother has been a waitress almost my entire life.

BusLady
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He definitely should have spoken with management. This server should have lost her job for embarrassing him in front of his date and other customers. A 15% tip is standard. Ask anyone who has worked as a server ( I have) and they will tell you that there are customers who don't tip at all or throw their pocket change on the table. It has nothing to do with how well you do your job. They are just cheap, stingy tightwads.

Aurelia Grey
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If that tool worked in my restaurant I would have fired her. Humiliating customers is a find way to loose business. Pathetic this server hasn't realized that in the hospitality industry there will always be cheapo's, people who behave as if giving a tip is a holy act, and then, always too, the customers who surprise us all with their generosity.

Jerry Mathers
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15% is standard. I know the trend is to try and get it higher, but 15% is right. Also tipping is not obligatory. If the service sucks, stiff em.

Martin
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For making a scene like she did, especially after explaining that it was all I had, I would have taken that 15% tip back after talking to the manager.

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Hans
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is 5% about getting a common topic with a date, 5% about tipping, and 90% about how remuneration system in US restaurants is severely out of order. If paying less than 15% tip means the sever will end up underpaid, this should be included in the normal bill. Systems in which, if any at all, tip is given only for astonishingly unusual service are much more pleasant. For all now saying that bad service should also be "compensated": if you experience really bad service, tell the restaurant about it. Half-decent places will understand and instead of you paying less tip and still being frustrated, an extra dessert or something similar will settle the situation for both sides.

A.j. Cranston
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol, I wish this b***h would try this s**t with me. “Oh really? I’m offended someone who carries around food and pours water into a glass for a living has the gall to ruin a perfectly good dinner over 4 dollars. Here’s an idea, if you want more money, why don’t you get a real job with set pay? Oh, you don’t have any real skills, and you’re a b***h? I guess you better shut your fat mouth and take what you can get then shouldn’t you?

Savannah Wilson
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lmao. I just read all of these comments. And yours is my favorite. That is exactly what I would have said to someone like that :)

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Mae
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So America how about start paying your staff and stop with this stupid tip system since it's not even a tip, it's an obligatory payment for the staff!!!!

Zanthe
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We don't even leave tips here in Brazil. Servers will give you a weird look if you leave money behind, and they'll probably go after you saying "sir, you left this by the table". Culturally speaking, sorry if this offends anyone, but it is not the customer's job to pay for a good service. It's the restaurant's itself. If a waiter is often complimented and manages to serve a good amount of people, the owner will pay them more for that. This woman was out of her mind. Rude beyond words.

javier yebenes
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work at Jack Astors in Toronto. One night we were down staffed and I was asked to cover a 16 people table by myself. They were important guests so I wasn't allowed to have more tables. They spent only $480 and left no tip. When I asked my manager he didn't let me talk to the table as per company policy. They also made me pay $34 of my own money as tip out to the kitchen staff and managers. Seriously?

Swapnil Acharya
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Get rid of the tipping system America. Pay your servers well. Don't create unnecessary hassle to customers.

Caroline Espenschied
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After reading almost the entire comment section, here is what I understand : waiters are'nt paid a decent wage. Therefore, customers feel bad for them and leave a tip to compensate their s****y income. Therefore, the boss says "hey, I don't need to pay you that much since you're getting great tips !" and pays them even less. Customers feel even worse for them and give them even greater tips. The boss says "hey, I don't have to pay you that much, you're making great money from the customers !"... Soooo... In my understanding, the more you tip the waiters, the less their employer pays them, or what ? What would happen if ALL THE CUSTOMERS decided one day "This system sucks, we're sick of paying waiters wages from our own pockets, NO MORE TIPS !" ?

Craig Reynolds
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah well guess what dude. You said the total was $70 with tax before a $10 tip. You didn't give a 15% tip. You gave a 20% tip because you are only supposed to tip on the amount BEFORE tax. NO ONE should get a tip on tax. I'm being generous here and assuming the tax rate was only 6% and not fracking 8% or higher like some places. BTW: Some restaurants, the non chain type, actually try to intentionally cheat on customers. You know how some checks come with those pre-calculated 15%, 18%, 20% , etc tip amounts at the bottom for our ummm convenience? Some of them calculate those amounts post tax which is a ripoff. This whole tipping c**p pisses me off. It used to be the standard tip for good service was 15%. Better than good was 20% and excellent was 25%. Nowadays these people are trying to demand 20% or more for just ordinary service. For just doing their job and that is nonsense.

Malek MZB-II
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is what happens when people become spoiled and entitled. Just because you smile, doesn't mean you earned a 20% or higher tip. I had a waitress bark at me when she was barely attentive to our table, and we also tipped generously. Shortly after, her tip was completely removed and she got a piece of my mind in front of the manager and the restaurant. Tip is earned, not given. If you can't handle the real world , find a new line of work where you have a safe space to cry with other entitled brats. The emotional maturity level of preschoolers might be on your frequency.

Lauren Kaufmann
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

im not a waiter, this is just something I've heard, but if you had a really good server but don't have the money to give them a tip reflecting that, telling the manager how good of a server they are is actually best, because it gives them a chance for a raise, better hours, etc. again, just something I've heard, but it doesn't hurt to share in these kinds of conversations lol

Meowton Mewsk
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No server will get a raise because someone said they were good. They will just get placed in a nicer section of the restaurant. Even the best waiters only make $2.50.

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Jane Alexander
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We served 5,6, 7 course dinners for Maybe a 10% tip. The tips were totally voluntary and were the result of very good service! Now they demand 20% of the bill for handing you a hamburger. We had one obnoxious boy chase us down in the parking lot because his so poor performance had warranted nothing and that's what he got.

Kelly Routzahn
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He always forgets to factor in a tip? His date is a bar manager at a high end restaurant?

birdhouse
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why would you just leave and let her feel like she won? I would have created such a scene. Would have demanded my $10 back, demanded a manager and not leave until my dinner was refunded.

Tiffany Zhu
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who works in the food industry, this just isn't something you do. You either take the tip or not. Also, not once has there been a note on the menu that said "add 20% to the total of your food because that is for the server" Sure, it's nice, but tips are never forced. Also people give tips for good service, not for rudeass people.

Z
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The tipping situation in america just makes me so mad. It's such a messed up archaic and unfair system, and so many people defend it for no apparent reason! If there weren't a dozen other reasons I would still avoid visiting america just because I wouldn't able to eat out as I would refuse to pay an obligatory 'tip'.

Laura Sherman
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't see why we have to take the Tipping system out on the Servers that can't control how they get paid. It's not their fault they get paid that way. Sure all restaurants should work the Gratuity into the bill, in fact TGI Friday's does this already for large parties. There are Hibachi restaurants that include the Gratuity in the bill before Tax too, so I guess we are getting there.

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Shaunna Harper
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm British and this would never happen over here. I work in this kind of job and believe me, I'm happy just to get a few extra quid on occasion. That waitress sounds vile!

Adria Rhodes
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a server, her behavior is completely unacceptable. As far as tipping goes, you gotta accept the good with the bad. I've made my living this way for almost three decades. I love my job and I do rely on tips to make my living. New folks to the industry need to try and understand that tipping is a voluntary thing and should never be an expectation. Sometimes people at table are d***s, sometimes there are just extenuating circumstances, sometimes we are s****y servers. Bottom line, NEVER, EVER confront your table about your tip. Suck it up, butter cup. There will always be the next table. Always.

Owiella Freddie
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So the the tip was actually only half a dollar shy. NEVER, NEVER NEVER tip on tax!!!

Oscar
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Geez... I want to know what and where this place is so I can never go there...

Ladislav Pollo
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This I dont understand about usa (he is from usa, right?). Compulsory tips?! Tip is form of extra reward for very good services. Its voluntary. If I dont want to give money to anybody, I f*****g do not!

Roger Foxtrot
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A tip is based on the cost of the meal BEFORE taxes...you don't tip on the taxes, so in reality, she got the correct amount.

Ivana Bogdan
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my country (in Europe) nobody don't give tips. Something like that doesn't exist. If you try to left extra money waiter will probably give you it back.

Erin Sheppard
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IF you're offended to take such a small amount, I will take my $10 back too, thank you very much. While I am at it, let me ask for your manager- this whole meal is likely going to be free due to your behavior!!!

Laura Sherman
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think we can compare how other countries handle tipping. Is it rudimentary the way US handles tipping? Yes. Fact is though, it's how it's done. What the absolute hideous thing about this article is the gall the waitress had fussing over 15%. Yes it hurts when getting tipped on the lower end of the spectrum, in New York it is "recommended" to leave a tip between 15% and 20%, but I wouldn't be upset over 15% because "you'll get em' next time sport". Unfortunate case with this bad egg, and sad because it sounds like the gentlemen who wrote this did at first feel bad for not being able to tip a bit higher.

Marlowe Fitzpatrik
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that the comparability is a bit hard, because different countries have different rules. BUT.... if you always just accept what hand you're dealt, nothing will ever change. If for example in a country bribery was a rule, it would never change if the people don't want it changed.. So, if tipping nowadays gets so aggressive, I guess people might finally want to see a change in the system (because nobody likes being yelled at for actually giving money!)

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Bored Fox
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here in Finland we don't have the tipping culture. All waiter and waitresses will get a proper wages. But I know that some waiters and waitresses may ask for tip near the tourist attractions, especially if the customer is from abroad. If this happens to anyone visiting Finland just do not pay that tip. :)

Kjorn
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if she makes a scen for that she's not worthy of a tip. i wish we can had the name of that restaurant

Randy Inbred
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I'm in the US I always make sure I give a tip (20-30%) if I'm happy with the service because I know that waiters and waitresses get a lot less than here in the UK. In the UK if there is service (usually 12.5-15%) on the bill I won't tip and if there isn't I will give 15-20%. But ITS MY CHOICE!!! I don't have to sympathise with the waiting staff but I choose to do so. Other people may not. And that's their right. Waiters and waitresses don't have the right to expect a tip or confront a customer about it. On the other hand, if the service was good, the guy could have just popped by the restaurant later that week and given the waitress $5. Easier than posting this whole thing online no?

Terka Červeňáková
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Central Europe and while waitress won't make huge amount of money, it's still a livable vage. Definitely over the minimum pay. We do tip, but it's volunterily, and mostly just evening numbers (e.g. when you pay 473 crowns, you leave 500). And rarely more than 10% (And it has to be exceptional servise to get that). This system, where people work for free and you as a customer are expected to cover your businesses obligations towarss your employees is weird as hell... And honestly, 10 dollars on 70 dollar bill Is nice tip...

blatherskitenoir
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

50 cents would have brought that up to the full 15%. She risked getting fired, permanently lost the restaurant a multitude of customers, and inspired some terrible reviews, over 50 cents.

Cherry
Community Member
3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work the service industry. I've seen everything from $20 tips on a $10 tab. And 0 tip on over $200 tab and 6hrs of service. She should give it back if it's not "to her standards"

similarly
Community Member
4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

$10 tip on a $70 bill is 14%. So you're a percent short! When I was young, a tip was 15% for good service, less for bad service (even 0% if the waiter or waitress was really bad), and more for excellent service. My father often tipped more because he went to nice places and was generally satisfied. BUT, a tip was 15%. I only started hearing about "20%" tips becoming "standard" about 15 years ago or so. When I asked people why they were suddenly saying tips should be increased to 20%, they said "Well, cost of living is increasing, and things are more expensive." I'm sorry. That's not how percents work. Let's say you had a $20 meal in 2000. 15% would be $3. If that steak in 2020 is now $40, 15% is now $6. While everybody would love to make more money, I really don't think increasing the percent of tips is justified.

Tammy Gundaker
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All I can say is WOW.... server was way out of line! Asking if something was wrong on a 10% or lower yea, that way you can improve on your serving skills, but never saying what she did after! rude and ignorant.

Casey McFarland
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what's funny is that you tip based upon the amount BEFORE TAX. if it was $70 with tax and tax is 10% tip would be based upon bill of $63 which is $9.45 which a $10 tip is over 15 %

Alessandro Abate
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here in the US waiters are paid less than minimum wage because they are expected to be tipped. Tips aren't optional in the US. If you can't afford to give 18% tip for good service, DON'T GO EAT OUT.

Sue Donim
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

do taxes still allow restaurants to say the wages are always with 10 percent tips ?

Sue Donim
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

$10 on $70 is a 15 percent tip .. some people give 10 percent period. should have talked to manager .

Ann Abdelzaher
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15% is standard! and if he tipped on a 70 total bill then she got closer to 18

JacekEU
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

just move to some normal country, anything but US and A, where you are paid for your work, not expect some charity. Thank all gods I live in Europe

Michael Timme
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have taken the tip back and complained to the manager on the way out

Tamara Kroonen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So a 20% tip is expected?? Wow that is one fifth of the bill. And way too much in my Dutch opinion. After 5 diners you have paid a whole meal for just...nothing!

First Name
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you can't afford to tip well for good service, you can't afford to eat out. Period.

Natalie Crumm
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When traveling to other countries its your responsibility to do your research. May not be customary to tip in other countries, but it is in the US. While a lot of establishments are including the tip in the bill, it's still an evolving system. Keep in mind that servers share their tips with orhers i.e. the bartenders, bussers and hostesses. Tipping is part of the experience, and 15% isn't adaquit (with good service)...especially when being shared.

Chip Warren Renner
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

maybe you don't know but the person who spent the hour & a half getting you what you want does not get the full tip.They have to tip out the food runners & bartender at a minimum.They get zero breaks having to eat off trays while serving.They work every holiday & weekend.They can make very good money but it is a long long day.Some people & you know who they are ALWAYS SEND SOMETHING BACK & are never satisfied.She should have sucked it up but if you can't afford to tip at least %15 & definitely 20% for outstanding service you should stay home.Walk a mile in their shoes & you will have a whole different mindset I guarantee it.By the way servers in New Jersey make about $1.75 an hour.They depend on your tips to pay their rent.

Kelly
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A really rude person. In Europe tips are tips, not a charge. Otherwise, why not emitting an invoice? In my Country you pay taxes based on your income. And compulsory tips become income.

Barbara Meuleman
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping has gotten so out of hand...now we seem to have to tip for every service rendered to us. I have been chased twice for a tip and did not give money; I told them to get out of my way...and never went back to that place. I will tip but it is MY choice, not some employee. And don't say they are underpaid..then get a different job. I worked my way up the hard way, with no handouts or tips...worked 15 hours some days. BUT I would never ask for money for tips or for anything else. I resent that companies can pay so little in wages and expect me to support their staff. If that is so, then let me do the hiring.

Taradactyal
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Customer "I'm never rating here again" Everyone else "Great!"

Frances Wong
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some think they deserve it. Once, I got stopped for an extra $1.

Just Carmen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, but 15% is considered a normal tip. That's what she got. If you get 20% you're lucky. Both I and my husband have worked in food service so we know how hard it is for servers. We always try to tip 20% when we go out. The only time I don't tip 20% is if the service is horrid. That being said, if this had happened to me, I would've taken back the tip AND demanded to speak to the manager. No way in HELL would she have gotten away with something like this with me!

Patricia Stilwell
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think SDTitan89's solution was elegant and appropriate. Shame on the server.

FuzzyWuzzy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't care what any one else says, that waitress was extremely rude to you. If she had gone off like that to me, I would have asked for the tip back and walked out of that place never to have returned. There is never a good enough excuse for behavior like that! Shame on her! I've been in the service industry too and sometimes you don't get the tip you think you deserve, so what. The next customer maybe an over tipper, you learn to go with it. Sheesh! It makes me so angry with this girl and how she made you feel!

Caressa Gray Al-Khateeb
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously. How good was she? I think 15% is good if she was just ok....18 for good, 20 or higher for great and really great... Why exactly 18....??

Wednesday Friday
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, I'm sure the waitress is totally bummed that two people who don't tip for sh*t aren't coming back... Waitresses don't just not making a living wage. That's fast food workers. The wage for tipped workers in most states is less than $3 an hour. Sure, one can argue that it isn't fair to ask customers to pay more when they've already paid for a meal--but it's not as if they're springing it on you when the check comes. Saying you don't have to legally tip someone is a cop out. You don't legally have to hold the door for the person behind you, but if you let it slam in their face, it's rude. It's not illegal to take up two parking spaces (YMMV), but doing so makes you a selfish a*s. If you don't have enough money to leave a decent tip, you ought to learn how to cook. Instead of blaming the waitress for daring to want to make rent and buy groceries--why not fight to end a system that leaves full-time employees begging for proper wages despite doing a great job.

Casandra Nițescu
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why I hate tipping. A tip is a bonus for extra good service. It is not a mandatory thing, and if someone who serves me feel like they are entitled to one I would leave a zero percent tip and not feel ashamed even the slightest. "Mandatory" tipping is the absolute worst and I refuse to take part in such things. It's not my job to pay your salary. Get over it. If someone DOES however do an excellent job, I would tip them. Because that's what tipping is for.

Angel
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The server got a 15% tip. I don't understand what's wrong with that! She could have gotten a 0% tip, especially with that flippant attitude and entitled remark.....

Alan Lowry
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bottom line....To Insure Prompt Service. The “server” was doing fine up until they got “offended” LOL. After Asking if everthing was ok, she should have just accepted the man’s explanation AND the TIP and moved on. Obviously this server had preconceived $$ amount of her worth. Too bad for her that she is WRONG! Maybe a job in a more upscale establishment would be more to HER liking (sarcasticly) and much less offensive LOL. Doubtful though, she would last a week with that kind of attitude. I live in Las Vegas and traveled to South Carolina mny years ago. I went a Steakhouse and had a wonderful meal, but upon receiving the bill I saw there was a “mandatory gratuity” or TIP if you will, addrd on to the bill. Talk about being offended!! Well nedless to say the shock wore off and I paid the plus telling the manager to WARN people of this policy. You see in Las Vegas we always tip because we WANT to .... and the servers wages suck....not because we Have to.

Ruth Beaty
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Excuse me? That server was absolutely in the wrong and he shouldn't have stood for it. That tip is a gratuity, not part of the bill. This was absolutely s****y rudeness and trying to embarass the customer or guilt them into giving more. I would speak to the manager about it, frankly because that is going to cost them business. You did the right thing to not go back.

Michèle Gyselinck
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get it either. Normally, at least here in Québec, the tip is 15% of the bill before taxes, and I happen to know that in France the tip is included in the bill. What was all that fuss about?

Peter Kurilecz
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Why can’t restaurants just pay their servers properly in the first place? " the vast majority of servers want tips. they make far more on tips then they would if paid a straight salary

Jacqueline Rodgers
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the waitress was rude. She shouldnt face off with a customer about the tip. There are other customers. Her attitude may have the effect of other patrons giving her bad tips because of the attitude. I would if i was there she would be lucky to get anything from me

Lisa Shaw
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is disgraceful on the part of the waitress. I'm in Canada and our service industry people must declare all of their tips and gratuities as part of their income to Revenue Canada, for taxation purposes. It has become a practice here to put half the tip on the credit/debit card and leave half in cash on the table. The credit/debit card transactions are a paper trail that can be audited, the cash can be pocketed. I did this as I usually do about a year ago and the waitress that came to clear our table and saw half the tip on the table became unpleasant, so when I paid the bill at the cash register, where I would normally leave half of the tip, I didn't leave the tip as usual. I did hear another waitress explaining it to her when we were leaving. We don't go to that restaurant anymore and customarily leave 25% tips.

Brandon Sunguti
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

just waiting for the restuarant to apologize on twitter/facebook about what happened and then watch the two customers go on the news

Sheena Leversedge Wood
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

well with an attitude like that, you tipped too much. staff that are rude to customers haven't earned a tip

B Dus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand waiters are payed poorly and need tip to get a descent income. Wouldn't it be easier to pay them a bit more?

Debbie
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Incredibly rude - i'd have given the name of the waitress to the management, and depending on their response added the restaurants name to the story. I'd never want to go there!

Jay Dresser
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get it. 15% has been the customary tip amount for as long as I can remember. Since when is that considered low??

KT Trondsen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a classless piece of trash that girl is. That angry over $4?? How pathetic and desperate can you get? Your tip was fine, but you should have demanded it back after that little performance of hers. If she wants more money that stupid little twit should go to college and earn a degree

Joseph Brzezinski
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked as a server at a TGI Friday's restaurant... one of the worst, I was lucky to make 10% of my sales, but everyone had the same problem... I recall, vividly, a customer on a date, bill was $50 or so. He paid, then handed me a dollar bill, and said I was great... ONE effing DOLLAR. But, I said nothing to him, stuff like that happened all the time.

Toni Tangents
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

f*****g b***h!! I wish I knew the restaurant so I could get in touch with them about this! tips are an extra, not a given. I can't believe a waitress would be so unprofessional.

Maiko Dancer
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was totally out of line and actually 15% is actually what the "norm" is and 20 - 25% for excellent service. What's really sad is that some states in this country can legally pay wait staff less than half of minimum wage with the reasoning they make it up in tips. My daughter worked as a waitress for years and often her pay check was zero. And yes she had good weeks and bad weeks tip wise. The bottom line is that It's well past the time in this country when certain employers are getting off the hook for paying thier staff a living wage so we can do away with the whole tipping thing. Europe has it right. And taht waitress needs to find another line of work

Katinka Min
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

tips are an important part of some people's income (including mine, although I am not a waitress), but, Jeez, getting this wrought up over a few dollars really isn't worth it. The next person will be generous and tip more. it all evens out

H Wooley
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ummmm, i worked in restaurants and bars for about 6 years, even managed This behavior is disgusting.First off, 15% is acceptable, she is a royal b***h and was trying to be a bully. i would be willing to bet she treats the people she works with badly as well. the kitchen staff probably loathes her.

Peta Hurley-Hill
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm Australian,here we tip if the service is exceptional.Then we decide what we leave (usually between 10-15% of the bill) ,some leave more,it's up to you certainly never be harassed about it by the staff.Having worked in hospitality in the past and having kids who have also ,I know it pays like c**p,so I always leave a decent tip ,if the service is good.It's really only applies to restaurants here too.You might contribute to a "tip jar" on the counter of cafe or bar but it'snot really a "thing".

Dave Smith
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Post the name of the restaurant, server and the general manager online with your review and you will get her to pay for your meal then she will think twice about shaming a customer again and you will get a free meal.

Pavel Nekoranec
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tip should be a bonus money for the waiter, not salary ... the state has enough power to force the employers to pay the workers properly, so I don't understand why Americans let the politicians and businessman treat them like that.

Rajiv Naik
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are too polite to write the name of the establishment and the server.I am sure the fancy place would have taken action to prevent such incidences in future.

Regina Marie
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She should be fired. If she worked for me I'd fire her and then take the money out of her check and give it back to the guy.

Phillip Moderow
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If your date actually sympathized with the server, then better you find out sooner than later. The only thing you could have done better was to take back the tip and stiff her.

Wina Alkerchief
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since I'm not american. This whole tipping thing confuses me... From where i from, tipping is something good and always welcomed to. Eventhough some places won't allow tipping since its already added on their paycheck but not mandatory. They will not see you as bad people if you can' t tip.

noitall man
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have said "I apologize, I made a mistake, can you please give me back the $10 bill so that I may give you a $20 tip?" then when she did this, I would have then walked out.

Dimitri Torres
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was right if you can't afford it then go to a drive through most people do not know that the server also has to share with busses and runners so ...

Roland Trego
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15-20% are normal. One can tip less if service is poor. If you hadn't tipped at all, I can see the waiter might politely ask, "Was there a problem with your meal this evening?" You explained you were short on cash and that it had nothing to do with the restaurant. The waiter should have left it at that. If he said, "I'd be embarrassed to leave a tip like that" to me, I would say, "You're absolutely right," and asked for the tip back. I would also say, "Tell your boss she can read about my experience on TripAdvisor very soon" and take the waiter's picture when you leave.

Blue Cicada
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I make a point of speaking to manager w compliments for great service. (And 20% tip, 'cause US restaurants don't pay servers enough). I would have DEFINITELY spoken w shift manager that night, general manager via phone next day, AND corporate.

CitizenMM
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I left no tip one night after surly service on a $130+ bill. The waiter was rude and the manager was even more rude to us due to an issue we had with the meal. This tool FOLLOWED me out to the car. I opened the door and reached and told him he better turn around and walk his little happy a** back inside and that if he wanted a tip he shouldn't have been so rude. This, fortunately, was an anomaly since mostly our meals are drama free and I frequently tip 50-100% for excellent service because it means a lot to me to be well-cared for when dining out. Treat me poorly and you get what you deserve, nothing.

Linda Morris
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel bad for the server... the businesses should have to pay the minimum wage... tired of seeing these slave wages...

Melody Lanzatella
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Servers in most restaurants are not allowed to confront a customer like This! I would have been fired on the spot if I ever did that!

Tim Scott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an American, I have never experienced this and I sometimes

Tim Scott
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm an American and I've never experienced such a thing as this. The writer shouldn't get the idea that this is normal here. A certain percentage IS desired and expected but, like some one commented, disappointment is handled behind closed doors with friends. To tip or not I'd agree is not a choice. But how much is.

Sue Prewitt
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Same thing happened to us, except we were asked to leave and never come back, no problem there, Honey.

Stefan Ebert
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some restaurants pay fair wages and, in turn, do not accept tips. But, they charge more for the food + drinks to make up for it. In the end, you pay the same.

Stefan Ebert
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In America, waiters and bartenders make a wage as little as $2.13 per hour. Their salary is 89-90% dependent on tips.

SirWriteALot
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate that system, glad I don't live there anymore. I want to know what I pay at first glance. No calculating in my head, surprise tax, cutlery charge or whatever ... if it says "50" I expect to pay "50". Tips are for there to show appreciation of a job well done, good service, helpful suggestions, etc.

Iwona Milewska
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Isn't there an unspoken rule that a tip should be no higher than around 20% of the amount paid in the restaurant? Additionally, some restaurants already include waiter's tips in the food's price - there's sometimes such information to be had, usually written inside the menu as a side note. I understand this person might have felt let down for the amount she received, regardless what her hourly wages were, but that's not a reason to make such a great fuss about it, and especially in public. That's a highly unprofessional behaviour. Even if she was feeling mad, she could /and should/ have handled it in a more polite way. That, or find a different, better paying job. I know some people do have limited job choices and opportunities, because of location, education and so on, but this story implies quite strongly that this position isn't this woman's cup of tea, either because of income issues or too much stress in her work place she's accumulating.

HeatherJ
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I tip on SERVICE not because one thinks they should get one. If my food is brought out correctly, my drink stays full etc then you get a good tip. If you are slow, rude, food is wrong, drink is empty you will be lucky if you get anything at all. I would have immediately asked for the manager and complained about her rudeness, I would have adjusted the bill with NO tip because that is what her attitude deserves.

Daniel (ShadowDrakken)
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15% is a normal tip... it's not a low amount. This is just one more reason I refuse to tip. Tipping just encourages poor service. It forces people to bow and scrape and hate their job. Tipping is a remnant of classism and slavery. Why do so many people continue to insist on tipping? F that, how about insist on restaurants paying their employees a livable wage.

Craig Lee
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How is this a fancy restaurant? A $70 bill and $14 tip does not sound like a fancy restaurant.

Minnie-me
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have worked in the food service where tips were not accepted. She's lucky she got anything. If you don't like the risk of a poor tip, whatever the situation may be, don't be a waiter/waitress.

Dan Stout
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where was this at? Would be good to know so we can avoid this place...

BobbyMcD
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There was no reason for the server to be mad. The tip was well within the range of acceptable.

Stille20
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While I understand the waitress's feelings, they should not have been expressed. If I was another diner and I saw the waitress make this scene I would reduce what I planned to give her for tip and I would be happy to tell her exactly why.

Thomas Es Thomas
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I might have replied: "Well if you can't accept the tip I could always take it back." Or "I just spent $70 on $18 worth of food and drink. There is no law that says I have to give you anything extra."

Jane Doe
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on where I live, I'm using 7% sales tax. The pretax total of $70 is $65 and change. 15% of that is $9.75. Settle down. (I usually tip off of the total, but I think it goes either way.)

Cassie
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"As a non-American I gotta say I really don’t get the tipping system over there in the US of A" Yea, I'm an American and I don't get it, either.

Jane Doe
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on where I live, 7% sales tax, that means a $70 check with tax is $65 and change. 15% of that is $9.75. Settle down, server.

Carole Reid
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There would be Yelp reviews galore. And reviews on every other website. Plus, I would have demanded the manager appear. I totally agree that the "system" sucks but I have never had this happen. The waitperson must have been mental for a moment. I certainly would not put myself on the defensive. The restaurant business is one of the hardest businesses to keep going.

BusLady
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Servers n the US are paid as little as $2.13 per hour. That is shocking and disgraceful. On top of that, they must pay taxes on an assumed tip. In that type of situation, it would be understandable for a server to get angry. But you still can't throw a tantrum.

Bianca LY Sondaix
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

USA is hypocrite!!! Tips should not be call tips when they are mandatory. Why doesn't the USA force restaurants to pay their waiters correctly in the first place? I also had a bad experience there about tipping because I am from a country where you tip when you feel like it.

Manny
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This behavior is rediculous and extremely childish. If she wasn't satisfied with her tip then thats good, she needs to get another job, no one has an obligation to pay her what she wants. Shes not the damn owner what a child.

Linda Brown
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

TIP = TO INSURE PROMPT SERVICE, so depending on the service and how busy the server is = how much their TIP will be.

Chris Draenos
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait...isn't your date capable of paying for her own meal? The server acted s****y, but it was also your internalized views on who should pay that led to the low tip.

Rhianwenn
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So man can't be a gentleman and take his woman out and treat her with dinner these days? He wrote he wanted to take her out and picked the place himself. Surely she can invite him next time in return.

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Jay Camargo
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if your bill was 70 dollars, that was hardly a high end restaurant LOL if you can't afford to tip 20%, eat at home. if you go out with just the right amount for the food because you've checked the menu beforehand, you're a douche and I would run away from you had I been your date. the server gets paid 2 dollars an hour so you can be served and not pay for it? go to chipotle on your next date.

Random Panda
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Restaurants should pay their staff a decent wage and not rely on the customers to do it for them. Americans are letting restaurant owners get away with making money by exploiting their waitstaff AND their customers, because they don't want to pay minimum wage to their workers.

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Random Panda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or maybe restaurants should pay their staff a decent wage and not rely on the customers to do it for them? Tipping is voluntary.

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Ben Smith
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't really buy this. At least now how it's being told. No server jeopardizes their job over 4 bucks. Just doesn't happen.

Sarcasticow
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've worked as a waitress too, and it's an extremely hard work, in my opinion. I can lead huge mega projects at my work but I can't bring a client a glass of cola without spilling it on their clothes (true story). So I have huge respect for good waiters. The rest... well they either get no or little tip from me, just to give them a clue they might do better job doing something else. Like myself.

BusLady
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You sound self rightous. Be glad you have a good job, and don't downgrade other people's jobs. Not tipping a server does not result in forcing them to get a better job. It doesn't work that way. That's like fat shaming. It doesn't force the person to lose weight. And you sound like you can afford to tip.

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Kylie Marie Summerling
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am not giving this guy a pass. If you don't understand tipping in America then don't eat out in America. Servers use tips to live on. So how pathetic of you to take someone out to dinner and not have extra money in your pocket. I guess your date could not have had a second glass of wine. The guy is a loser and that's that. I am guessing that if she is that pissed he was not as charming as he thought he was.

Random Panda
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Restaurants should pay their staff a decent wage and not rely on the customers to do it for them.

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Although, it may have been bad form, every server / bar tender fantasizes about calling out a cheap tipper. A 20% tip is the minimum for a meal. (Although for drinks - less may be okay. e.g. For an overpriced $8+ beer, $1 dollar is fine. All they did was take the cap off and hand it to you anyway.). It's true, if you can't afford to tip accordingly, you should not go out to eat - or pick a less expensive restaurant. Waiters make $2.13 an hour + tips. Meaning, their salary is vastly dependent on tips. Think about that for a minute...

Mailo Erra
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6 years ago

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so you are a cheap man who doesnt have the enough money to go to a fancy restaurant...and is the waitress fault????....and you always forgot to think in the tip???.....you are just a horrible selfish human being......

Steve Mcd
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Baloney. This isn't about the waitress's bad behavior - this about YOUR bad behavior and you got called on it. You've obviously been in the states long enough to understand how the tipping situation works, you just choose not to abide by it. In America, we basically pay separately for the service. Do you want the restaurants to pay the servers a higher hourly wage and eliminate tipping? There's an argument for that and there are restaurants in larger cities that are testing it out. But where do you think that higher hourly wage comes from? Your increased menu costs, of course. You won't need to tip but the cost of food will increase quite a bit. Restaurants run on very, very tight profit margins (I own restaurants and have been in the food business for 35 years) Your 'head bartender in a high end establishment' date knows 20% tip is standard, 15% is acceptable but low. You already know that too, take responsibility for yourself.

LRo
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I don't understand why this comment and the one supporting it are downvoted. The waitress certainly was out of line, but the poster was very wrong. If you can't afford the "tip" you shouldn't eat at a more expensive restaurant. It would be like not factoring the taxes. Those aren't on the menu either, but you remember they might put you over your budget, right?

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Andres Tejeda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand why the server was mad, but she has to realize. Tips are 100% voluntary people do not "need" to tip. It is highly encouraged and a common social practice but again you do not have too legally tip them, and the fact that she basically publically shamed someone for a what she thought was a small tip means that she should probably not be a server. If you something that small makes you flip out then you are in the wrong business.

stellermatt
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

why don't restaurants add a % to the meal costs knowing that a certain amount will go to the chef and a certain amount to the waitress/waiter, a % going to the person cleaning the tables/dishes/room and the rest goes to the owner... I'm all for tips, but unless it states you MUST tip, surely they should get what the person can afford or feels they want to leave?

Randy Inbred
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a great idea Matt. Restaurants won't do it though because it will count as extra income that they will incur tax on. The staff won't like it either because the % payments will have to go on their official pay and therefore they will be taxed on it too. That's why tips work for both restaurants and staff in some ways. Just maybe not for customers.

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Amina Hays
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm English and have been to New York a few times. One of the times I went with my best friend and took him to a restaurant I fell in love with on a precious trip. We left money on the table for the bill and were unsure how much to tip so roughly worked it out and left a few dollars more just in case. The waitress followed us out of he restaurant and across the road to say we hadn't tipped enough. Unbelievable.

Xiaolaohu
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am sorry for your experience, but let me stress the caveat that New York is NOT representative of the rest of us in the USA.

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Jolijn Njamin-Geurts van Kessel
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where I come from you don't NEED to tip, when you tip it's something extra you want to give or to round up the money you have to pay. So to me 15% allready sounds like a big tip.

Agnes Jekyll
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

except in the states, waitresses survive on tips. Their wages are lower than minimum wage.

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marcelo D.
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is it with the us and forced tipping. as a rebuttal for the waiter claiming that "if you cant afford the tip, then i suggest you choose a more suitable establishment" would be "if you can't afford to live on the wage, then i suggest you choose a more suitable job". It's the responsability of the employer to pay the staff, not of the patrons. Tipping started as a way for patrons to help a staffer cause of poor wage, but was in no way or means an obligation. You have a job for a wage, if your job doesn't pay you enough, take it to your employer, not the patrons.

Caroline Murphy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

because unlike a lot of other countries, they aren't paid a wage. I mean if in the UK for example (not sure where you're from but that's where I live) do you think employers would pay their employees minimum wage (which is c**p anyway) if they weren't forced to? No.. A lot of employers would be greedy and give them far less, which is where tipping would come in

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Kenny Kulbiski
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I once paid a $20 ticket with a $50 dollar bill. The waitress asked me if I wanted my change. Yeah, every bit of it. I bartended for a little bit a know it's a tough gig but if you can't deal with petty b******t you need a career change.

Mark Grudzinski
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I once went out with a group of colleagues to a pretty cheesy sports bar after work. Our server was surly, gruff and most absent for most of the night. When the bill came around we all agreed that we'd only tip her 10%. She had the gall to not only confront us, but also had a giant bouncer standing behind her. A woman in our group gave her an earful, and soon the terrible server was backing away from us, and the bouncer was trying hard not to laugh. Justice served.

Subject 81
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can't believe you guys tipped her that much if the service was so horrible.

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Star-Light Star-Bright
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Words from my waitress mother: tipping is preferred and encouraged, not required. You accept what tips you get or don't get, and you NEVER question it. If you want complain about it on your own time, go ahead, but not while you're at work, even after they've left. Some people would have left $5 or less, maybe even nothing. That waitress should have just kept her mouth shut and be grateful she got a tip at all.

Dan Z
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an American, I think tipping is garbage. Ill tip if you earned it, don't expect it. Your salary is up to you and your boss. I am already supporting you but coming to dine. If you don't like the pay, find another job.

anarkzie
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a Brit, I simply don't understand Americans and tipping, you are paid by the restuarant to be there and the customer pays the restaurant for his/her meal, a tip is extra money not a right in most countries.

Cici Snow
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They are not paid much some servers only make $2.50-$4.50 per hour because they figure in tips. They also must declare tips for taxes. It's a really system.

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Sasy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What c**p, i have also owned a cafe and while not in the US my staff were payed a wage, any tips they got were deserved bonuses for good service. I have been to the US and you are not charging customers less, just paying less, a customer shoukd not pay the wages of your staff, mistakes happen they were giving ten dollars, if a wait staff person got a ten dollar tip in Oz they woukd be elated that someone thought so highly of them. TEN DOLLARS is another meal, the US policies for wait staff are criminal.

Cici Snow
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know some people who only leave $3-$5 no matter the bill! I think it's time to just pay servers a fair wage. Restaurants a few over both the waiter and the customer by this practice. Just another example of corporate greed. This waitress apparently thought its ok to confront a person who left her a decent too but that's not the norm.

Brandon Collinsworth
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When did 15% not become the standard tip? I go up to 20% if the service is very good, but 15% is what I was taught you were supposed to tip. Have I been a jerk my whole life? Which would be very strange because my mother has been a waitress almost my entire life.

BusLady
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He definitely should have spoken with management. This server should have lost her job for embarrassing him in front of his date and other customers. A 15% tip is standard. Ask anyone who has worked as a server ( I have) and they will tell you that there are customers who don't tip at all or throw their pocket change on the table. It has nothing to do with how well you do your job. They are just cheap, stingy tightwads.

Aurelia Grey
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If that tool worked in my restaurant I would have fired her. Humiliating customers is a find way to loose business. Pathetic this server hasn't realized that in the hospitality industry there will always be cheapo's, people who behave as if giving a tip is a holy act, and then, always too, the customers who surprise us all with their generosity.

Jerry Mathers
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15% is standard. I know the trend is to try and get it higher, but 15% is right. Also tipping is not obligatory. If the service sucks, stiff em.

Martin
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For making a scene like she did, especially after explaining that it was all I had, I would have taken that 15% tip back after talking to the manager.

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Hans
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is 5% about getting a common topic with a date, 5% about tipping, and 90% about how remuneration system in US restaurants is severely out of order. If paying less than 15% tip means the sever will end up underpaid, this should be included in the normal bill. Systems in which, if any at all, tip is given only for astonishingly unusual service are much more pleasant. For all now saying that bad service should also be "compensated": if you experience really bad service, tell the restaurant about it. Half-decent places will understand and instead of you paying less tip and still being frustrated, an extra dessert or something similar will settle the situation for both sides.

A.j. Cranston
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol, I wish this b***h would try this s**t with me. “Oh really? I’m offended someone who carries around food and pours water into a glass for a living has the gall to ruin a perfectly good dinner over 4 dollars. Here’s an idea, if you want more money, why don’t you get a real job with set pay? Oh, you don’t have any real skills, and you’re a b***h? I guess you better shut your fat mouth and take what you can get then shouldn’t you?

Savannah Wilson
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lmao. I just read all of these comments. And yours is my favorite. That is exactly what I would have said to someone like that :)

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Mae
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So America how about start paying your staff and stop with this stupid tip system since it's not even a tip, it's an obligatory payment for the staff!!!!

Zanthe
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We don't even leave tips here in Brazil. Servers will give you a weird look if you leave money behind, and they'll probably go after you saying "sir, you left this by the table". Culturally speaking, sorry if this offends anyone, but it is not the customer's job to pay for a good service. It's the restaurant's itself. If a waiter is often complimented and manages to serve a good amount of people, the owner will pay them more for that. This woman was out of her mind. Rude beyond words.

javier yebenes
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work at Jack Astors in Toronto. One night we were down staffed and I was asked to cover a 16 people table by myself. They were important guests so I wasn't allowed to have more tables. They spent only $480 and left no tip. When I asked my manager he didn't let me talk to the table as per company policy. They also made me pay $34 of my own money as tip out to the kitchen staff and managers. Seriously?

Swapnil Acharya
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Get rid of the tipping system America. Pay your servers well. Don't create unnecessary hassle to customers.

Caroline Espenschied
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After reading almost the entire comment section, here is what I understand : waiters are'nt paid a decent wage. Therefore, customers feel bad for them and leave a tip to compensate their s****y income. Therefore, the boss says "hey, I don't need to pay you that much since you're getting great tips !" and pays them even less. Customers feel even worse for them and give them even greater tips. The boss says "hey, I don't have to pay you that much, you're making great money from the customers !"... Soooo... In my understanding, the more you tip the waiters, the less their employer pays them, or what ? What would happen if ALL THE CUSTOMERS decided one day "This system sucks, we're sick of paying waiters wages from our own pockets, NO MORE TIPS !" ?

Craig Reynolds
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah well guess what dude. You said the total was $70 with tax before a $10 tip. You didn't give a 15% tip. You gave a 20% tip because you are only supposed to tip on the amount BEFORE tax. NO ONE should get a tip on tax. I'm being generous here and assuming the tax rate was only 6% and not fracking 8% or higher like some places. BTW: Some restaurants, the non chain type, actually try to intentionally cheat on customers. You know how some checks come with those pre-calculated 15%, 18%, 20% , etc tip amounts at the bottom for our ummm convenience? Some of them calculate those amounts post tax which is a ripoff. This whole tipping c**p pisses me off. It used to be the standard tip for good service was 15%. Better than good was 20% and excellent was 25%. Nowadays these people are trying to demand 20% or more for just ordinary service. For just doing their job and that is nonsense.

Malek MZB-II
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is what happens when people become spoiled and entitled. Just because you smile, doesn't mean you earned a 20% or higher tip. I had a waitress bark at me when she was barely attentive to our table, and we also tipped generously. Shortly after, her tip was completely removed and she got a piece of my mind in front of the manager and the restaurant. Tip is earned, not given. If you can't handle the real world , find a new line of work where you have a safe space to cry with other entitled brats. The emotional maturity level of preschoolers might be on your frequency.

Lauren Kaufmann
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

im not a waiter, this is just something I've heard, but if you had a really good server but don't have the money to give them a tip reflecting that, telling the manager how good of a server they are is actually best, because it gives them a chance for a raise, better hours, etc. again, just something I've heard, but it doesn't hurt to share in these kinds of conversations lol

Meowton Mewsk
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No server will get a raise because someone said they were good. They will just get placed in a nicer section of the restaurant. Even the best waiters only make $2.50.

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Jane Alexander
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We served 5,6, 7 course dinners for Maybe a 10% tip. The tips were totally voluntary and were the result of very good service! Now they demand 20% of the bill for handing you a hamburger. We had one obnoxious boy chase us down in the parking lot because his so poor performance had warranted nothing and that's what he got.

Kelly Routzahn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He always forgets to factor in a tip? His date is a bar manager at a high end restaurant?

birdhouse
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why would you just leave and let her feel like she won? I would have created such a scene. Would have demanded my $10 back, demanded a manager and not leave until my dinner was refunded.

Tiffany Zhu
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who works in the food industry, this just isn't something you do. You either take the tip or not. Also, not once has there been a note on the menu that said "add 20% to the total of your food because that is for the server" Sure, it's nice, but tips are never forced. Also people give tips for good service, not for rudeass people.

Z
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The tipping situation in america just makes me so mad. It's such a messed up archaic and unfair system, and so many people defend it for no apparent reason! If there weren't a dozen other reasons I would still avoid visiting america just because I wouldn't able to eat out as I would refuse to pay an obligatory 'tip'.

Laura Sherman
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't see why we have to take the Tipping system out on the Servers that can't control how they get paid. It's not their fault they get paid that way. Sure all restaurants should work the Gratuity into the bill, in fact TGI Friday's does this already for large parties. There are Hibachi restaurants that include the Gratuity in the bill before Tax too, so I guess we are getting there.

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Shaunna Harper
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm British and this would never happen over here. I work in this kind of job and believe me, I'm happy just to get a few extra quid on occasion. That waitress sounds vile!

Adria Rhodes
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a server, her behavior is completely unacceptable. As far as tipping goes, you gotta accept the good with the bad. I've made my living this way for almost three decades. I love my job and I do rely on tips to make my living. New folks to the industry need to try and understand that tipping is a voluntary thing and should never be an expectation. Sometimes people at table are d***s, sometimes there are just extenuating circumstances, sometimes we are s****y servers. Bottom line, NEVER, EVER confront your table about your tip. Suck it up, butter cup. There will always be the next table. Always.

Owiella Freddie
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So the the tip was actually only half a dollar shy. NEVER, NEVER NEVER tip on tax!!!

Oscar
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Geez... I want to know what and where this place is so I can never go there...

Ladislav Pollo
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This I dont understand about usa (he is from usa, right?). Compulsory tips?! Tip is form of extra reward for very good services. Its voluntary. If I dont want to give money to anybody, I f*****g do not!

Roger Foxtrot
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A tip is based on the cost of the meal BEFORE taxes...you don't tip on the taxes, so in reality, she got the correct amount.

Ivana Bogdan
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my country (in Europe) nobody don't give tips. Something like that doesn't exist. If you try to left extra money waiter will probably give you it back.

Erin Sheppard
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IF you're offended to take such a small amount, I will take my $10 back too, thank you very much. While I am at it, let me ask for your manager- this whole meal is likely going to be free due to your behavior!!!

Laura Sherman
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think we can compare how other countries handle tipping. Is it rudimentary the way US handles tipping? Yes. Fact is though, it's how it's done. What the absolute hideous thing about this article is the gall the waitress had fussing over 15%. Yes it hurts when getting tipped on the lower end of the spectrum, in New York it is "recommended" to leave a tip between 15% and 20%, but I wouldn't be upset over 15% because "you'll get em' next time sport". Unfortunate case with this bad egg, and sad because it sounds like the gentlemen who wrote this did at first feel bad for not being able to tip a bit higher.

Marlowe Fitzpatrik
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that the comparability is a bit hard, because different countries have different rules. BUT.... if you always just accept what hand you're dealt, nothing will ever change. If for example in a country bribery was a rule, it would never change if the people don't want it changed.. So, if tipping nowadays gets so aggressive, I guess people might finally want to see a change in the system (because nobody likes being yelled at for actually giving money!)

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Bored Fox
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here in Finland we don't have the tipping culture. All waiter and waitresses will get a proper wages. But I know that some waiters and waitresses may ask for tip near the tourist attractions, especially if the customer is from abroad. If this happens to anyone visiting Finland just do not pay that tip. :)

Kjorn
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if she makes a scen for that she's not worthy of a tip. i wish we can had the name of that restaurant

Randy Inbred
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I'm in the US I always make sure I give a tip (20-30%) if I'm happy with the service because I know that waiters and waitresses get a lot less than here in the UK. In the UK if there is service (usually 12.5-15%) on the bill I won't tip and if there isn't I will give 15-20%. But ITS MY CHOICE!!! I don't have to sympathise with the waiting staff but I choose to do so. Other people may not. And that's their right. Waiters and waitresses don't have the right to expect a tip or confront a customer about it. On the other hand, if the service was good, the guy could have just popped by the restaurant later that week and given the waitress $5. Easier than posting this whole thing online no?

Terka Červeňáková
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in Central Europe and while waitress won't make huge amount of money, it's still a livable vage. Definitely over the minimum pay. We do tip, but it's volunterily, and mostly just evening numbers (e.g. when you pay 473 crowns, you leave 500). And rarely more than 10% (And it has to be exceptional servise to get that). This system, where people work for free and you as a customer are expected to cover your businesses obligations towarss your employees is weird as hell... And honestly, 10 dollars on 70 dollar bill Is nice tip...

blatherskitenoir
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

50 cents would have brought that up to the full 15%. She risked getting fired, permanently lost the restaurant a multitude of customers, and inspired some terrible reviews, over 50 cents.

Cherry
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to work the service industry. I've seen everything from $20 tips on a $10 tab. And 0 tip on over $200 tab and 6hrs of service. She should give it back if it's not "to her standards"

similarly
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4 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

$10 tip on a $70 bill is 14%. So you're a percent short! When I was young, a tip was 15% for good service, less for bad service (even 0% if the waiter or waitress was really bad), and more for excellent service. My father often tipped more because he went to nice places and was generally satisfied. BUT, a tip was 15%. I only started hearing about "20%" tips becoming "standard" about 15 years ago or so. When I asked people why they were suddenly saying tips should be increased to 20%, they said "Well, cost of living is increasing, and things are more expensive." I'm sorry. That's not how percents work. Let's say you had a $20 meal in 2000. 15% would be $3. If that steak in 2020 is now $40, 15% is now $6. While everybody would love to make more money, I really don't think increasing the percent of tips is justified.

Tammy Gundaker
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All I can say is WOW.... server was way out of line! Asking if something was wrong on a 10% or lower yea, that way you can improve on your serving skills, but never saying what she did after! rude and ignorant.

Casey McFarland
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what's funny is that you tip based upon the amount BEFORE TAX. if it was $70 with tax and tax is 10% tip would be based upon bill of $63 which is $9.45 which a $10 tip is over 15 %

Alessandro Abate
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here in the US waiters are paid less than minimum wage because they are expected to be tipped. Tips aren't optional in the US. If you can't afford to give 18% tip for good service, DON'T GO EAT OUT.

Sue Donim
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

do taxes still allow restaurants to say the wages are always with 10 percent tips ?

Sue Donim
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

$10 on $70 is a 15 percent tip .. some people give 10 percent period. should have talked to manager .

Ann Abdelzaher
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15% is standard! and if he tipped on a 70 total bill then she got closer to 18

JacekEU
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

just move to some normal country, anything but US and A, where you are paid for your work, not expect some charity. Thank all gods I live in Europe

Michael Timme
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have taken the tip back and complained to the manager on the way out

Tamara Kroonen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So a 20% tip is expected?? Wow that is one fifth of the bill. And way too much in my Dutch opinion. After 5 diners you have paid a whole meal for just...nothing!

First Name
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you can't afford to tip well for good service, you can't afford to eat out. Period.

Natalie Crumm
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When traveling to other countries its your responsibility to do your research. May not be customary to tip in other countries, but it is in the US. While a lot of establishments are including the tip in the bill, it's still an evolving system. Keep in mind that servers share their tips with orhers i.e. the bartenders, bussers and hostesses. Tipping is part of the experience, and 15% isn't adaquit (with good service)...especially when being shared.

Chip Warren Renner
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

maybe you don't know but the person who spent the hour & a half getting you what you want does not get the full tip.They have to tip out the food runners & bartender at a minimum.They get zero breaks having to eat off trays while serving.They work every holiday & weekend.They can make very good money but it is a long long day.Some people & you know who they are ALWAYS SEND SOMETHING BACK & are never satisfied.She should have sucked it up but if you can't afford to tip at least %15 & definitely 20% for outstanding service you should stay home.Walk a mile in their shoes & you will have a whole different mindset I guarantee it.By the way servers in New Jersey make about $1.75 an hour.They depend on your tips to pay their rent.

Kelly
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A really rude person. In Europe tips are tips, not a charge. Otherwise, why not emitting an invoice? In my Country you pay taxes based on your income. And compulsory tips become income.

Barbara Meuleman
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tipping has gotten so out of hand...now we seem to have to tip for every service rendered to us. I have been chased twice for a tip and did not give money; I told them to get out of my way...and never went back to that place. I will tip but it is MY choice, not some employee. And don't say they are underpaid..then get a different job. I worked my way up the hard way, with no handouts or tips...worked 15 hours some days. BUT I would never ask for money for tips or for anything else. I resent that companies can pay so little in wages and expect me to support their staff. If that is so, then let me do the hiring.

Taradactyal
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Customer "I'm never rating here again" Everyone else "Great!"

Frances Wong
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some think they deserve it. Once, I got stopped for an extra $1.

Just Carmen
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, but 15% is considered a normal tip. That's what she got. If you get 20% you're lucky. Both I and my husband have worked in food service so we know how hard it is for servers. We always try to tip 20% when we go out. The only time I don't tip 20% is if the service is horrid. That being said, if this had happened to me, I would've taken back the tip AND demanded to speak to the manager. No way in HELL would she have gotten away with something like this with me!

Patricia Stilwell
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think SDTitan89's solution was elegant and appropriate. Shame on the server.

FuzzyWuzzy
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't care what any one else says, that waitress was extremely rude to you. If she had gone off like that to me, I would have asked for the tip back and walked out of that place never to have returned. There is never a good enough excuse for behavior like that! Shame on her! I've been in the service industry too and sometimes you don't get the tip you think you deserve, so what. The next customer maybe an over tipper, you learn to go with it. Sheesh! It makes me so angry with this girl and how she made you feel!

Caressa Gray Al-Khateeb
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously. How good was she? I think 15% is good if she was just ok....18 for good, 20 or higher for great and really great... Why exactly 18....??

Wednesday Friday
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, I'm sure the waitress is totally bummed that two people who don't tip for sh*t aren't coming back... Waitresses don't just not making a living wage. That's fast food workers. The wage for tipped workers in most states is less than $3 an hour. Sure, one can argue that it isn't fair to ask customers to pay more when they've already paid for a meal--but it's not as if they're springing it on you when the check comes. Saying you don't have to legally tip someone is a cop out. You don't legally have to hold the door for the person behind you, but if you let it slam in their face, it's rude. It's not illegal to take up two parking spaces (YMMV), but doing so makes you a selfish a*s. If you don't have enough money to leave a decent tip, you ought to learn how to cook. Instead of blaming the waitress for daring to want to make rent and buy groceries--why not fight to end a system that leaves full-time employees begging for proper wages despite doing a great job.

Casandra Nițescu
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why I hate tipping. A tip is a bonus for extra good service. It is not a mandatory thing, and if someone who serves me feel like they are entitled to one I would leave a zero percent tip and not feel ashamed even the slightest. "Mandatory" tipping is the absolute worst and I refuse to take part in such things. It's not my job to pay your salary. Get over it. If someone DOES however do an excellent job, I would tip them. Because that's what tipping is for.

Angel
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The server got a 15% tip. I don't understand what's wrong with that! She could have gotten a 0% tip, especially with that flippant attitude and entitled remark.....

Alan Lowry
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bottom line....To Insure Prompt Service. The “server” was doing fine up until they got “offended” LOL. After Asking if everthing was ok, she should have just accepted the man’s explanation AND the TIP and moved on. Obviously this server had preconceived $$ amount of her worth. Too bad for her that she is WRONG! Maybe a job in a more upscale establishment would be more to HER liking (sarcasticly) and much less offensive LOL. Doubtful though, she would last a week with that kind of attitude. I live in Las Vegas and traveled to South Carolina mny years ago. I went a Steakhouse and had a wonderful meal, but upon receiving the bill I saw there was a “mandatory gratuity” or TIP if you will, addrd on to the bill. Talk about being offended!! Well nedless to say the shock wore off and I paid the plus telling the manager to WARN people of this policy. You see in Las Vegas we always tip because we WANT to .... and the servers wages suck....not because we Have to.

Ruth Beaty
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Excuse me? That server was absolutely in the wrong and he shouldn't have stood for it. That tip is a gratuity, not part of the bill. This was absolutely s****y rudeness and trying to embarass the customer or guilt them into giving more. I would speak to the manager about it, frankly because that is going to cost them business. You did the right thing to not go back.

Michèle Gyselinck
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get it either. Normally, at least here in Québec, the tip is 15% of the bill before taxes, and I happen to know that in France the tip is included in the bill. What was all that fuss about?

Peter Kurilecz
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Why can’t restaurants just pay their servers properly in the first place? " the vast majority of servers want tips. they make far more on tips then they would if paid a straight salary

Jacqueline Rodgers
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the waitress was rude. She shouldnt face off with a customer about the tip. There are other customers. Her attitude may have the effect of other patrons giving her bad tips because of the attitude. I would if i was there she would be lucky to get anything from me

Lisa Shaw
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is disgraceful on the part of the waitress. I'm in Canada and our service industry people must declare all of their tips and gratuities as part of their income to Revenue Canada, for taxation purposes. It has become a practice here to put half the tip on the credit/debit card and leave half in cash on the table. The credit/debit card transactions are a paper trail that can be audited, the cash can be pocketed. I did this as I usually do about a year ago and the waitress that came to clear our table and saw half the tip on the table became unpleasant, so when I paid the bill at the cash register, where I would normally leave half of the tip, I didn't leave the tip as usual. I did hear another waitress explaining it to her when we were leaving. We don't go to that restaurant anymore and customarily leave 25% tips.

Brandon Sunguti
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

just waiting for the restuarant to apologize on twitter/facebook about what happened and then watch the two customers go on the news

Sheena Leversedge Wood
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

well with an attitude like that, you tipped too much. staff that are rude to customers haven't earned a tip

B Dus
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I understand waiters are payed poorly and need tip to get a descent income. Wouldn't it be easier to pay them a bit more?

Debbie
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Incredibly rude - i'd have given the name of the waitress to the management, and depending on their response added the restaurants name to the story. I'd never want to go there!

Jay Dresser
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get it. 15% has been the customary tip amount for as long as I can remember. Since when is that considered low??

KT Trondsen
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What a classless piece of trash that girl is. That angry over $4?? How pathetic and desperate can you get? Your tip was fine, but you should have demanded it back after that little performance of hers. If she wants more money that stupid little twit should go to college and earn a degree

Joseph Brzezinski
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked as a server at a TGI Friday's restaurant... one of the worst, I was lucky to make 10% of my sales, but everyone had the same problem... I recall, vividly, a customer on a date, bill was $50 or so. He paid, then handed me a dollar bill, and said I was great... ONE effing DOLLAR. But, I said nothing to him, stuff like that happened all the time.

Toni Tangents
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

f*****g b***h!! I wish I knew the restaurant so I could get in touch with them about this! tips are an extra, not a given. I can't believe a waitress would be so unprofessional.

Maiko Dancer
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was totally out of line and actually 15% is actually what the "norm" is and 20 - 25% for excellent service. What's really sad is that some states in this country can legally pay wait staff less than half of minimum wage with the reasoning they make it up in tips. My daughter worked as a waitress for years and often her pay check was zero. And yes she had good weeks and bad weeks tip wise. The bottom line is that It's well past the time in this country when certain employers are getting off the hook for paying thier staff a living wage so we can do away with the whole tipping thing. Europe has it right. And taht waitress needs to find another line of work

Katinka Min
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

tips are an important part of some people's income (including mine, although I am not a waitress), but, Jeez, getting this wrought up over a few dollars really isn't worth it. The next person will be generous and tip more. it all evens out

H Wooley
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ummmm, i worked in restaurants and bars for about 6 years, even managed This behavior is disgusting.First off, 15% is acceptable, she is a royal b***h and was trying to be a bully. i would be willing to bet she treats the people she works with badly as well. the kitchen staff probably loathes her.

Peta Hurley-Hill
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm Australian,here we tip if the service is exceptional.Then we decide what we leave (usually between 10-15% of the bill) ,some leave more,it's up to you certainly never be harassed about it by the staff.Having worked in hospitality in the past and having kids who have also ,I know it pays like c**p,so I always leave a decent tip ,if the service is good.It's really only applies to restaurants here too.You might contribute to a "tip jar" on the counter of cafe or bar but it'snot really a "thing".

Dave Smith
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Post the name of the restaurant, server and the general manager online with your review and you will get her to pay for your meal then she will think twice about shaming a customer again and you will get a free meal.

Pavel Nekoranec
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tip should be a bonus money for the waiter, not salary ... the state has enough power to force the employers to pay the workers properly, so I don't understand why Americans let the politicians and businessman treat them like that.

Rajiv Naik
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are too polite to write the name of the establishment and the server.I am sure the fancy place would have taken action to prevent such incidences in future.

Regina Marie
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She should be fired. If she worked for me I'd fire her and then take the money out of her check and give it back to the guy.

Phillip Moderow
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If your date actually sympathized with the server, then better you find out sooner than later. The only thing you could have done better was to take back the tip and stiff her.

Wina Alkerchief
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Since I'm not american. This whole tipping thing confuses me... From where i from, tipping is something good and always welcomed to. Eventhough some places won't allow tipping since its already added on their paycheck but not mandatory. They will not see you as bad people if you can' t tip.

noitall man
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have said "I apologize, I made a mistake, can you please give me back the $10 bill so that I may give you a $20 tip?" then when she did this, I would have then walked out.

Dimitri Torres
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was right if you can't afford it then go to a drive through most people do not know that the server also has to share with busses and runners so ...

Roland Trego
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15-20% are normal. One can tip less if service is poor. If you hadn't tipped at all, I can see the waiter might politely ask, "Was there a problem with your meal this evening?" You explained you were short on cash and that it had nothing to do with the restaurant. The waiter should have left it at that. If he said, "I'd be embarrassed to leave a tip like that" to me, I would say, "You're absolutely right," and asked for the tip back. I would also say, "Tell your boss she can read about my experience on TripAdvisor very soon" and take the waiter's picture when you leave.

Blue Cicada
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I make a point of speaking to manager w compliments for great service. (And 20% tip, 'cause US restaurants don't pay servers enough). I would have DEFINITELY spoken w shift manager that night, general manager via phone next day, AND corporate.

CitizenMM
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I left no tip one night after surly service on a $130+ bill. The waiter was rude and the manager was even more rude to us due to an issue we had with the meal. This tool FOLLOWED me out to the car. I opened the door and reached and told him he better turn around and walk his little happy a** back inside and that if he wanted a tip he shouldn't have been so rude. This, fortunately, was an anomaly since mostly our meals are drama free and I frequently tip 50-100% for excellent service because it means a lot to me to be well-cared for when dining out. Treat me poorly and you get what you deserve, nothing.

Linda Morris
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel bad for the server... the businesses should have to pay the minimum wage... tired of seeing these slave wages...

Melody Lanzatella
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Servers in most restaurants are not allowed to confront a customer like This! I would have been fired on the spot if I ever did that!

Tim Scott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As an American, I have never experienced this and I sometimes

Tim Scott
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm an American and I've never experienced such a thing as this. The writer shouldn't get the idea that this is normal here. A certain percentage IS desired and expected but, like some one commented, disappointment is handled behind closed doors with friends. To tip or not I'd agree is not a choice. But how much is.

Sue Prewitt
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Same thing happened to us, except we were asked to leave and never come back, no problem there, Honey.

Stefan Ebert
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some restaurants pay fair wages and, in turn, do not accept tips. But, they charge more for the food + drinks to make up for it. In the end, you pay the same.

Stefan Ebert
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In America, waiters and bartenders make a wage as little as $2.13 per hour. Their salary is 89-90% dependent on tips.

SirWriteALot
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hate that system, glad I don't live there anymore. I want to know what I pay at first glance. No calculating in my head, surprise tax, cutlery charge or whatever ... if it says "50" I expect to pay "50". Tips are for there to show appreciation of a job well done, good service, helpful suggestions, etc.

Iwona Milewska
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Isn't there an unspoken rule that a tip should be no higher than around 20% of the amount paid in the restaurant? Additionally, some restaurants already include waiter's tips in the food's price - there's sometimes such information to be had, usually written inside the menu as a side note. I understand this person might have felt let down for the amount she received, regardless what her hourly wages were, but that's not a reason to make such a great fuss about it, and especially in public. That's a highly unprofessional behaviour. Even if she was feeling mad, she could /and should/ have handled it in a more polite way. That, or find a different, better paying job. I know some people do have limited job choices and opportunities, because of location, education and so on, but this story implies quite strongly that this position isn't this woman's cup of tea, either because of income issues or too much stress in her work place she's accumulating.

HeatherJ
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I tip on SERVICE not because one thinks they should get one. If my food is brought out correctly, my drink stays full etc then you get a good tip. If you are slow, rude, food is wrong, drink is empty you will be lucky if you get anything at all. I would have immediately asked for the manager and complained about her rudeness, I would have adjusted the bill with NO tip because that is what her attitude deserves.

Daniel (ShadowDrakken)
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

15% is a normal tip... it's not a low amount. This is just one more reason I refuse to tip. Tipping just encourages poor service. It forces people to bow and scrape and hate their job. Tipping is a remnant of classism and slavery. Why do so many people continue to insist on tipping? F that, how about insist on restaurants paying their employees a livable wage.

Craig Lee
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How is this a fancy restaurant? A $70 bill and $14 tip does not sound like a fancy restaurant.

Minnie-me
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have worked in the food service where tips were not accepted. She's lucky she got anything. If you don't like the risk of a poor tip, whatever the situation may be, don't be a waiter/waitress.

Dan Stout
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where was this at? Would be good to know so we can avoid this place...

BobbyMcD
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There was no reason for the server to be mad. The tip was well within the range of acceptable.

Stille20
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

While I understand the waitress's feelings, they should not have been expressed. If I was another diner and I saw the waitress make this scene I would reduce what I planned to give her for tip and I would be happy to tell her exactly why.

Thomas Es Thomas
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I might have replied: "Well if you can't accept the tip I could always take it back." Or "I just spent $70 on $18 worth of food and drink. There is no law that says I have to give you anything extra."

Jane Doe
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on where I live, I'm using 7% sales tax. The pretax total of $70 is $65 and change. 15% of that is $9.75. Settle down. (I usually tip off of the total, but I think it goes either way.)

Cassie
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"As a non-American I gotta say I really don’t get the tipping system over there in the US of A" Yea, I'm an American and I don't get it, either.

Jane Doe
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Based on where I live, 7% sales tax, that means a $70 check with tax is $65 and change. 15% of that is $9.75. Settle down, server.

Carole Reid
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There would be Yelp reviews galore. And reviews on every other website. Plus, I would have demanded the manager appear. I totally agree that the "system" sucks but I have never had this happen. The waitperson must have been mental for a moment. I certainly would not put myself on the defensive. The restaurant business is one of the hardest businesses to keep going.

BusLady
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Servers n the US are paid as little as $2.13 per hour. That is shocking and disgraceful. On top of that, they must pay taxes on an assumed tip. In that type of situation, it would be understandable for a server to get angry. But you still can't throw a tantrum.

Bianca LY Sondaix
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

USA is hypocrite!!! Tips should not be call tips when they are mandatory. Why doesn't the USA force restaurants to pay their waiters correctly in the first place? I also had a bad experience there about tipping because I am from a country where you tip when you feel like it.

Manny
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This behavior is rediculous and extremely childish. If she wasn't satisfied with her tip then thats good, she needs to get another job, no one has an obligation to pay her what she wants. Shes not the damn owner what a child.

Linda Brown
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

TIP = TO INSURE PROMPT SERVICE, so depending on the service and how busy the server is = how much their TIP will be.

Chris Draenos
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait...isn't your date capable of paying for her own meal? The server acted s****y, but it was also your internalized views on who should pay that led to the low tip.

Rhianwenn
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So man can't be a gentleman and take his woman out and treat her with dinner these days? He wrote he wanted to take her out and picked the place himself. Surely she can invite him next time in return.

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Jay Camargo
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if your bill was 70 dollars, that was hardly a high end restaurant LOL if you can't afford to tip 20%, eat at home. if you go out with just the right amount for the food because you've checked the menu beforehand, you're a douche and I would run away from you had I been your date. the server gets paid 2 dollars an hour so you can be served and not pay for it? go to chipotle on your next date.

Random Panda
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Restaurants should pay their staff a decent wage and not rely on the customers to do it for them. Americans are letting restaurant owners get away with making money by exploiting their waitstaff AND their customers, because they don't want to pay minimum wage to their workers.

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Random Panda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or maybe restaurants should pay their staff a decent wage and not rely on the customers to do it for them? Tipping is voluntary.

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Ben Smith
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't really buy this. At least now how it's being told. No server jeopardizes their job over 4 bucks. Just doesn't happen.

Sarcasticow
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've worked as a waitress too, and it's an extremely hard work, in my opinion. I can lead huge mega projects at my work but I can't bring a client a glass of cola without spilling it on their clothes (true story). So I have huge respect for good waiters. The rest... well they either get no or little tip from me, just to give them a clue they might do better job doing something else. Like myself.

BusLady
Community Member
6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You sound self rightous. Be glad you have a good job, and don't downgrade other people's jobs. Not tipping a server does not result in forcing them to get a better job. It doesn't work that way. That's like fat shaming. It doesn't force the person to lose weight. And you sound like you can afford to tip.

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Kylie Marie Summerling
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am not giving this guy a pass. If you don't understand tipping in America then don't eat out in America. Servers use tips to live on. So how pathetic of you to take someone out to dinner and not have extra money in your pocket. I guess your date could not have had a second glass of wine. The guy is a loser and that's that. I am guessing that if she is that pissed he was not as charming as he thought he was.

Random Panda
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6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Restaurants should pay their staff a decent wage and not rely on the customers to do it for them.

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Stefan Ebert
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6 years ago

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Although, it may have been bad form, every server / bar tender fantasizes about calling out a cheap tipper. A 20% tip is the minimum for a meal. (Although for drinks - less may be okay. e.g. For an overpriced $8+ beer, $1 dollar is fine. All they did was take the cap off and hand it to you anyway.). It's true, if you can't afford to tip accordingly, you should not go out to eat - or pick a less expensive restaurant. Waiters make $2.13 an hour + tips. Meaning, their salary is vastly dependent on tips. Think about that for a minute...

Mailo Erra
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6 years ago

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so you are a cheap man who doesnt have the enough money to go to a fancy restaurant...and is the waitress fault????....and you always forgot to think in the tip???.....you are just a horrible selfish human being......

Steve Mcd
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6 years ago

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Baloney. This isn't about the waitress's bad behavior - this about YOUR bad behavior and you got called on it. You've obviously been in the states long enough to understand how the tipping situation works, you just choose not to abide by it. In America, we basically pay separately for the service. Do you want the restaurants to pay the servers a higher hourly wage and eliminate tipping? There's an argument for that and there are restaurants in larger cities that are testing it out. But where do you think that higher hourly wage comes from? Your increased menu costs, of course. You won't need to tip but the cost of food will increase quite a bit. Restaurants run on very, very tight profit margins (I own restaurants and have been in the food business for 35 years) Your 'head bartender in a high end establishment' date knows 20% tip is standard, 15% is acceptable but low. You already know that too, take responsibility for yourself.

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6 years ago

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I don't understand why this comment and the one supporting it are downvoted. The waitress certainly was out of line, but the poster was very wrong. If you can't afford the "tip" you shouldn't eat at a more expensive restaurant. It would be like not factoring the taxes. Those aren't on the menu either, but you remember they might put you over your budget, right?

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