
Woman Proudly And Openly Calls Herself A Kleptomaniac, Shocked When She’s Not Invited To A Party
Our friends often say more about us than we ever could, which is why it’s so important to choose them wisely.
This Redditor certainly kept it in mind when she joined a women’s social club, hoping to meet new people after moving to a different city. As she got to know the group, she bonded with a handful of women who shared her interests and invited them over for a cozy hangout at her place. However, she left one member—who openly bragged about being “a total klepto”—off the guest list.
What she didn’t expect was how much backlash her decision would cause. Now, she’s unsure if she’s the one who was in the wrong. Read on for the full story.
The woman invited a few new acquaintances to her place but left out someone who called herself “a total klepto”
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What she didn’t expect was how much backlash her decision would cause
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Kleptomania is a real mental health disorder
Though many people are familiar with the term kleptomania—the inability to resist the urge to steal—it might come as a surprise to learn that it’s a mental health condition, not just a personality ‘quirk.’
Kleptomania, though rare, is a serious disorder that deeply affects those who live with it and their loved ones. Joking about it or casually calling yourself a “total klepto” when it’s not true is both harmful and dismissive of the real issue at hand—an uncontrollable problem with impulse control, unlike shoplifting, which is driven by personal gain.
Dr. Heather Sequeira, a consultant psychologist and member of the British Psychological Society who has treated individuals with kleptomania, explained the condition in an interview with the BBC:
“You can think of this a bit more like being addicted to stealing,” she says. “Somebody who steals perfumes to sell on eBay is clearly doing it for personal gain. But someone else may steal those same perfumes because they feel this instinctive urge to steal and can’t think of anything else until they do it.”
“And frequently, they don’t use the items that they’ve stolen. They put them in a drawer where they’ve got a hundred items exactly the same. I’ve met people who’ve left them on buses or given the items away. Or sometimes they even take them to the shop to try and get rid of that guilt.”
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The condition is often linked to difficult childhood experiences
Kleptomania can develop for a variety of reasons, but it often traces back to difficult childhood experiences. “It’s complicated, and certainly no ‘one size fits all’ here,” says Dr. Sequeira. Many people with kleptomania describe growing up in poverty or facing resource scarcity, while others recall feeling powerless as children due to trauma, such as childhood sexual abuse.
Unfortunately, there is no outright cure for kleptomania, but the condition can be managed with proper treatment.
According to Dr. Sequeira, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) is typically offered to those diagnosed. “CBT helps give us the tools to regain control over these impulses,” she says. “First of all, it helps us recognize the triggers and emotions that underlie the stealing behavior. Then it gives us the skills to manage the impulse and manage the behavior”.
However, Dr. Sequeira notes that it’s hard to determine the overall success rate of CBT for kleptomania due to a lack of research.
“But if people get the right therapist—somebody who really understands them, somebody who is compassionate—over time, you can really build up that foundation for long-term recovery.”
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Some readers took the time to explain the ableist remarks about kleptomania and their implications
Many felt the author wasn’t at fault for her decision
But others argued that she had overreacted
Poll Question
If you were in the Redditor’s situation, would you invite Andrea?
Yes, I would give her a chance
No, I prefer being cautious
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The reply about her being an ablist becasue being a kelpto is aental health condition is such a reach. How is it blistering if you dont want a self professed thief in your house? Konda with the boomers on this one. Some people just want to over react and start drama when there is none. They just want to be offended over every little thing. It's not thay deep
Load More Replies...Honestly if OP had let the kleptomaniac lady into her home and then OP’s things went missing, the YTAs on Reddit would have called OP stupid for letting a self-proclaimed klepto into her house. There’s no pleasing some people, they’re just rabidly excited for an opportunity to pass judgment and look down on someone 😂
Agreed, the YTA's are crazy. IF she were in treatment or recovery, she wouldn't still be bragging about it. The response from "TomDoniphona" is so off, they really do not understand what true kleptomania vs stealing/entitlement is
Ok, someone brags about stealing and the OP doesn't want her in her home. I totally get it. I don't own jewels or expensive things but I have worked hard for everything I have. My late father's girlfriend would admire something small in someone's home and the item was never seen again. OP is completely correct.
An ex friend of mine stole a very valuable (to me) piece of jewelry that I inherited from my late grandmother. I have probably 100+ pieces of jewelry from my grandma but this was a beautiful ring that was one of my favourites. It hurt so bad when I found out it was missing and she had it. When I confronted her over the phone (politely I swear, she was known for her temper so I did it as gently as possible) she got extremely angry and claimed to throw the ring in the garbage. She refused to ever talk to me again and I never got the ring back. I hope if she still has it, it makes her feel guilty every time she wears it, and I hope, if my grandma can see me now, she can forgive me for losing such a beautiful and important ring. People who steal from others are awful and don’t even realize the pain they can cause just because they decide they want a cool new shiny thing all for themselves.
The YTAs are oblivious to the truth. This person admitted to being a thief. She told OP about a specific incident. And OP is supposed to let this friend into her house on the off chance she *won't* steal something? And that ableist comment! People these days throw around terms without knowing what they mean.
OP is also new to the group. Is she supposed to go around and grill all the others about someone who already admits to stealing. And who of the. YTAs is to say what’s “valuable” A trinket from childhood or a deceased parent may be very valuable to the owner and just a trophy to the confessed Klepto. I wouldn’t risk it. How may of the others have lost things and aren’t speaking up? Find another group.
Play them at their own game . You're actually being very considerate and mindful of the poor girl's affliction. You'd do the same for someone with a peanut allergy, and not invite them to the peanut factory tour, and you wouldn't invite a chronically clumsy friend to your shopping trip to pick out your new dinner service in a china store.
The alternative title might have been "I invited someone who openly tells people that she steals things into my home and now things have gone missing. Was I being naive?"
Someone I knew wanted to invite a 3rd party to my house for games night. I knew the 3rd party as pretty much a career criminal so I said no way. I don't want him knowing what I have or even where I live. My friend got all insulted I wouldn't play nice with his new chum. Oddly, he had his car stereo stolen overnight, which had been supplied by the 3rd party in the first place. I refer to it as "the boomerang stereo".
Your last sentence 🤣. You made the right decision though.
Load More Replies...Thanks. What made it worse, the stereo has a CD of kid's songs in it, so was clearly stolen in the first place. I knew the 3rd party because he was bribing people to do his job for him with stolen B and Q vouchers. Plus he dealt coke. He went on to become an accountant. Figure THAT out....
I've been showing symptoms (not kleptomania, but awfully similar as part of my disorder) where I do "out of character things" like stealing. I steal screws, milk chocolate, and about everything that I don't like and is useless. It's not a funny or quirky trait. It's a mental disorder.
It sounds like these aren't your people. Find new friends. Volunteer, join a team, walking group, pub quiz team, etc. Sometimes it takes a minute but you'll find your people. These people are just enablers, sound like they are in it for the drama.
She's a clepto not recovery/managing her condition. It isn't ableist to treat this as a medical condition. You wouldn't let a friends drive you if they need glasses but won't wear them, or someone with psychosis who refuses to take their meds. Cleptomania doesn't necessarily mean you should cut someone out of your life, but if they are refusing treatment, you have to set boundaries. It's would be different if the stories of theft were years in the past, and impulse control was for the most part at a normal level. She is not being punished because of moral judgement, just risk assessed due to her condition.
Can I have puching idiots and racists as a mental disability? And call everyone who wants to stop me abelists? that would be like heaven
How about a compromise you can have punching racists but not idiots. Some people can’t help being dumb but everyone can help being bigoted. (Disclaimer I have no ability to diagnose anything or grant people disabilities but I liked your comment and wanted to respond)
I've called myself a klepto before because I have a habit of walking away with people's pens. Go help Sue. Grab her pen to write instructions. Return to my desk with a new pen. It's not intentional theft, it's absentmindedness. If that's what Andea means, then yes, I'd invite Andea to my house.
I was a klepto in high school, I certainly didn't brag about it. It's a compulsion, not a disease, although tbf, my thing was mostly keyrings and juice/chocolate from stores because I spent all my pocket money at boarding school on Sunday night. If my friends knew and enabled, they would be YTA.
I don't know exactly how kleptomania works, but looks like op's friend are treating the matter as if the friend got severe incontinence and op answered "no, cause I don't wan't my house peed" that's still valid from both sides, but with kleptomania... I don't know if they can not steal for a while or something, can't find nothing definitive in google.
I have kleptomania. I steal small lego pieces from friends that I think look cool or that I don't have. I feel INCREDIBLY awful afterwords. I don't go bragging about it. If you have Kleptomania, then you will be ashamed of it because it's a compulsion.
I had to google "kleptomania." Apparently, this is a rare condition, fewer than 200,000 cases per year in the US. And according to the Mayo Clinic: Kleptomania is a mental health disorder characterized by an uncontrollable urge to steal items that you generally don't really need. Often the items stolen have little value and you could afford to buy them. People with kleptomania might try, unsuccessfully, to not act on the urge, and many feel remorse or guilt for stealing. Andrea doesn't seem to know what an actual Klepto is. Being kind of an AH, I would probably have asked her if she was warning me, or just advertising.
If you tell everyone you're a a thief you should expect them to treat you as such. If she was not being serious in calling herself a klepto then why did she not immediately say that. F**k her and all the superficial twats that think this kind of thing is cool.
I'd hate to grow up with these current generations where calling someone out is labeled as "ableist" or whatever other term that has been incorrectly used so much as to not really have meaning anymore. They've been raised that any pushback is an attack and rather then have any self-awarness and reflection, it can't be them so it has to be the other person. Yes, this is a massive generalization but is true, at least in some respect.
By default I assume people mean what they say because ıf they didn't mean it they wouldn't say it. Some tolerance is shown towards children on this point but none towards childish adults.
Ikr? After all, they're people too, with feelings just like everyone else/s.
Obliging the kleptomaniac would require locking up anything that can be carried away, including coffee mugs and coffee maker. And maybe leave out stuff you want to get rid of, such as chipped glasses or Aunt Dorothy's crappy gift of well-thumbed copies of the "Fifty Shades" series. Joking aside, no obligation to let a self-professed kleptomaniac into her home. People are allowed to protect themselves.
Doesn't matter if this woman has kleptomania or is just a thief who likes to brag about it (most likely). It's always the smart decision not to invite over someone who brags about stealing. If anyone wants to experience actual ableism try applying for social security disability for your terminally ill parent or something like that.
The reply about her being an ablist becasue being a kelpto is aental health condition is such a reach. How is it blistering if you dont want a self professed thief in your house? Konda with the boomers on this one. Some people just want to over react and start drama when there is none. They just want to be offended over every little thing. It's not thay deep
Load More Replies...Honestly if OP had let the kleptomaniac lady into her home and then OP’s things went missing, the YTAs on Reddit would have called OP stupid for letting a self-proclaimed klepto into her house. There’s no pleasing some people, they’re just rabidly excited for an opportunity to pass judgment and look down on someone 😂
Agreed, the YTA's are crazy. IF she were in treatment or recovery, she wouldn't still be bragging about it. The response from "TomDoniphona" is so off, they really do not understand what true kleptomania vs stealing/entitlement is
Ok, someone brags about stealing and the OP doesn't want her in her home. I totally get it. I don't own jewels or expensive things but I have worked hard for everything I have. My late father's girlfriend would admire something small in someone's home and the item was never seen again. OP is completely correct.
An ex friend of mine stole a very valuable (to me) piece of jewelry that I inherited from my late grandmother. I have probably 100+ pieces of jewelry from my grandma but this was a beautiful ring that was one of my favourites. It hurt so bad when I found out it was missing and she had it. When I confronted her over the phone (politely I swear, she was known for her temper so I did it as gently as possible) she got extremely angry and claimed to throw the ring in the garbage. She refused to ever talk to me again and I never got the ring back. I hope if she still has it, it makes her feel guilty every time she wears it, and I hope, if my grandma can see me now, she can forgive me for losing such a beautiful and important ring. People who steal from others are awful and don’t even realize the pain they can cause just because they decide they want a cool new shiny thing all for themselves.
The YTAs are oblivious to the truth. This person admitted to being a thief. She told OP about a specific incident. And OP is supposed to let this friend into her house on the off chance she *won't* steal something? And that ableist comment! People these days throw around terms without knowing what they mean.
OP is also new to the group. Is she supposed to go around and grill all the others about someone who already admits to stealing. And who of the. YTAs is to say what’s “valuable” A trinket from childhood or a deceased parent may be very valuable to the owner and just a trophy to the confessed Klepto. I wouldn’t risk it. How may of the others have lost things and aren’t speaking up? Find another group.
Play them at their own game . You're actually being very considerate and mindful of the poor girl's affliction. You'd do the same for someone with a peanut allergy, and not invite them to the peanut factory tour, and you wouldn't invite a chronically clumsy friend to your shopping trip to pick out your new dinner service in a china store.
The alternative title might have been "I invited someone who openly tells people that she steals things into my home and now things have gone missing. Was I being naive?"
Someone I knew wanted to invite a 3rd party to my house for games night. I knew the 3rd party as pretty much a career criminal so I said no way. I don't want him knowing what I have or even where I live. My friend got all insulted I wouldn't play nice with his new chum. Oddly, he had his car stereo stolen overnight, which had been supplied by the 3rd party in the first place. I refer to it as "the boomerang stereo".
Your last sentence 🤣. You made the right decision though.
Load More Replies...Thanks. What made it worse, the stereo has a CD of kid's songs in it, so was clearly stolen in the first place. I knew the 3rd party because he was bribing people to do his job for him with stolen B and Q vouchers. Plus he dealt coke. He went on to become an accountant. Figure THAT out....
I've been showing symptoms (not kleptomania, but awfully similar as part of my disorder) where I do "out of character things" like stealing. I steal screws, milk chocolate, and about everything that I don't like and is useless. It's not a funny or quirky trait. It's a mental disorder.
It sounds like these aren't your people. Find new friends. Volunteer, join a team, walking group, pub quiz team, etc. Sometimes it takes a minute but you'll find your people. These people are just enablers, sound like they are in it for the drama.
She's a clepto not recovery/managing her condition. It isn't ableist to treat this as a medical condition. You wouldn't let a friends drive you if they need glasses but won't wear them, or someone with psychosis who refuses to take their meds. Cleptomania doesn't necessarily mean you should cut someone out of your life, but if they are refusing treatment, you have to set boundaries. It's would be different if the stories of theft were years in the past, and impulse control was for the most part at a normal level. She is not being punished because of moral judgement, just risk assessed due to her condition.
Can I have puching idiots and racists as a mental disability? And call everyone who wants to stop me abelists? that would be like heaven
How about a compromise you can have punching racists but not idiots. Some people can’t help being dumb but everyone can help being bigoted. (Disclaimer I have no ability to diagnose anything or grant people disabilities but I liked your comment and wanted to respond)
I've called myself a klepto before because I have a habit of walking away with people's pens. Go help Sue. Grab her pen to write instructions. Return to my desk with a new pen. It's not intentional theft, it's absentmindedness. If that's what Andea means, then yes, I'd invite Andea to my house.
I was a klepto in high school, I certainly didn't brag about it. It's a compulsion, not a disease, although tbf, my thing was mostly keyrings and juice/chocolate from stores because I spent all my pocket money at boarding school on Sunday night. If my friends knew and enabled, they would be YTA.
I don't know exactly how kleptomania works, but looks like op's friend are treating the matter as if the friend got severe incontinence and op answered "no, cause I don't wan't my house peed" that's still valid from both sides, but with kleptomania... I don't know if they can not steal for a while or something, can't find nothing definitive in google.
I have kleptomania. I steal small lego pieces from friends that I think look cool or that I don't have. I feel INCREDIBLY awful afterwords. I don't go bragging about it. If you have Kleptomania, then you will be ashamed of it because it's a compulsion.
I had to google "kleptomania." Apparently, this is a rare condition, fewer than 200,000 cases per year in the US. And according to the Mayo Clinic: Kleptomania is a mental health disorder characterized by an uncontrollable urge to steal items that you generally don't really need. Often the items stolen have little value and you could afford to buy them. People with kleptomania might try, unsuccessfully, to not act on the urge, and many feel remorse or guilt for stealing. Andrea doesn't seem to know what an actual Klepto is. Being kind of an AH, I would probably have asked her if she was warning me, or just advertising.
If you tell everyone you're a a thief you should expect them to treat you as such. If she was not being serious in calling herself a klepto then why did she not immediately say that. F**k her and all the superficial twats that think this kind of thing is cool.
I'd hate to grow up with these current generations where calling someone out is labeled as "ableist" or whatever other term that has been incorrectly used so much as to not really have meaning anymore. They've been raised that any pushback is an attack and rather then have any self-awarness and reflection, it can't be them so it has to be the other person. Yes, this is a massive generalization but is true, at least in some respect.
By default I assume people mean what they say because ıf they didn't mean it they wouldn't say it. Some tolerance is shown towards children on this point but none towards childish adults.
Ikr? After all, they're people too, with feelings just like everyone else/s.
Obliging the kleptomaniac would require locking up anything that can be carried away, including coffee mugs and coffee maker. And maybe leave out stuff you want to get rid of, such as chipped glasses or Aunt Dorothy's crappy gift of well-thumbed copies of the "Fifty Shades" series. Joking aside, no obligation to let a self-professed kleptomaniac into her home. People are allowed to protect themselves.
Doesn't matter if this woman has kleptomania or is just a thief who likes to brag about it (most likely). It's always the smart decision not to invite over someone who brags about stealing. If anyone wants to experience actual ableism try applying for social security disability for your terminally ill parent or something like that.
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