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No country is without sin. And nobody has a clean slate. There are a lot of unpalatable secrets lurking in any country’s history and present. Even though it might be uncomfortable dragging them into the spotlight, acknowledging these less-than-savory facts is the first step to solving the issues in the first place.

The redditors living in Europe opened up about the dark facts about their home countries in a brutally honest thread over on r/AskEurope. These facts might not be for everyone, so fair warning, some of the things you might read are darker than dark.

If you’d like to share some lesser-known dark secrets about your home country, Pandas, you can do so in the comment section once you’re done reading this list.

#1

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Spain.

During the Francoist regime, many single mothers were told their newborn children were dead. They weren’t allowed to see the corpse, and the baby, which wasn’t dead, was given to a married couple. Many years later, the graves of many of these supposedly dead babies were found to be empty. This was done with the absolute cooperation of the Catholic church.

alexblmz , Kat J Report

#2

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of England. I don’t know how unknown this is but Alan Turing who helped to break Nazis’ enigma code was arrested for being gay and was chemically castrated by the government he helped years ago. He was banned from GCHQ and the US which greatly effected his career. He killed himself in 1954.

psychoghost847 , unknown Report

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30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of In Italy a r*pist could marry his victim to avoid any legal persecution (this practice was called "matrimonio riparatore"). The women were pressed to accept the marriage to avoid social shame. Franca Viola, in 1948, was the first woman to refuse to marry her r*pist, but this practice was abolished by law only in 1981.

leady57 , Sandy Millar Report

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User u/AkruX explained that they were inspired to create the thread on r/AskEurope after learning that their home country, the Czech Republic (aka Czechia), was at one point ranked the third-worst slavery haven in the entirety of Europe. They were completely shocked by this.

Very recently, Bored Panda spoke to Brooke Burris, who chairs the Tri-County Human Trafficking Task Force in the Charleston area in South Carolina. She went into detail with us about human trafficking. It’s a deep-seated problem that is global, not located in just any one or two countries.

According to Brooke, people care about fighting against human trafficking more when they realize that it’s a local problem. 

#4

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Sweden used to treat Sami natives in northen Sweden as second class citizens for the longest time and we barely learn about it in school. As late as the 70s Sami children were still forcefully taken from their Sami parents and adopted by Swedish parents to ”make them Swedish”

Swedishboy360 , Linus Mimietz Report

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30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Norway. How terrible we have suppressed the Sami people and how we forcefully assimilated them in order to “fit in” with the “Norwegian culture”. And how the racism against them still exist very much to this day. They are still treated horrible by Norwegians and we are barely learned anything about their history in our schools.

ClementineMandarin , Mikita Karasiou Report

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#6

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Poland is ranked as the most homophobic country in the EU

g_guacamole , Valentyn Chernetskyi Report

"The U.S. Dept. of State has recognized that trafficking is a global problem, solved on the local level through a multidisciplinary response. The more local one's focus on the nature and prevalence of the issue, the better and truer understanding one will have as to both (1) the scale of trafficking and (2) how they specifically can take ownership of the problem and become a part of the solution,” she explained.

The expert noted that human trafficking is a far broader and more complex problem than it’s presented in movies. 

"Kidnapping and using physical force/coercion is only one means by which a trafficker can control a victim," she said.

#7

NOBODY answered from the USA!? SO MANY...but I've always thought that how the land was taken from the original inhabitants one of the worst things this 'land of the free' has done.
The massacres, the forced relocations, the infecting with smallpox, the loss of their identity as independent peoples...the list just goes on.
Continued up until taking Hawaii away from the ruling monarchy in the 1800's.

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#8

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Australia. Basically everything to do with the First Nations/Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. Mostly the stolen generations but there was a whole lot more f*cked up sh*t.

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#9

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Turkey. There is overwhelming violence against women in Turkey. And the first thing [anyone] asks: well, what was she wearing?, what is she doing there this late?

IAmNoSherlock , Satria SP Report

"In fact, according to a report of prosecuted sex trafficking cases in the U.S., 59% of coercive tactics used by traffickers were non-physical, compared to 41% of tactics involving physical coercion. Further, transportation is merely one type of action used by a trafficker,” Brooke told us.

Though it’s unlikely that human trafficking will be fully rooted out globally or in any particular country, it is vital to limit its scope.

“Until the Lord comes, I think evil will always exist in our world. Therefore, if I'm honest, I don't think we will be able to eradicate human trafficking entirely," Brooke said that it’s important to keep fighting injustice, but it’s equally vital to be realistic about the scope of the problem.

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#10

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Spain is only second to Cambodia for missing persons cases that were never resolved.

There is a government run online search tool for finding mass graves.

iwishiwasapuppy , Sam Williams Report

#11

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of France. Forced sterilization of intellectually disabled people was a very common thing until the early 2000s. There's now a law requiring consent since 2001, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn forced sterilization still happens.

80sBabyGirl , Paul Gaudriault Report

#12

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Portugal has massive problem with domestic violence (including femicide and child abuse). Strict catholic patriarchy was THE rule until 1974, so it's still hanging around in older generations and trickling down on their descendants. And most offenders get off with a slap on the wrist because we still have courts full of old ass judges.

SerChonk , Milada Vigerova Report

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#13

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of I think many people, that don't live in german-speaking countries, don't know that Austria was a fascist dictatorship for 4 years before the Anschluss

RapAddictedAustrian , Dimitry Anikin Report

#14

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Huge collaboration of Dutch people during WW2 , snitching where people were hiding. Supporting the Nazis, joining the forces.

The Dutch railway company (NS) transported Jews, Sinti and Roma to Germany.

Royal Dutch Shell reported their jewish employees to the Nazis to be deported.

ZapSpar , Bundesarchiv Report

#15

Netherlands. In 1620, the Dutch East India Company committed genocide on the people on the Indonesian Banda Islands, under the flag of the Dutch fleet. Murdered 95% of the population as punishment. Their crime? Selling nutmeg to the Portuguese and the English.

I don't even like nutmeg that much. Their population still isn't at the level it was before the genocide.

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#16

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of In Ireland we were under such control of the Catholic church until 2000s. Our constitution was drawn up with their approval and still says that women have a role in the home. Anyway the control of the church meant that the church got away with shielding and transferring paedophile priests ( well known). The not so well known was the following three things outside Ireland are:

Mother and baby homes - This was where unwed mothers were brought. They were a shamed, has their children taken away. The children either died or were adopted illegally to Irish and American families. They also burned their records and one in Tuam Co Galway dumped the bodies of many children who died in a septic tank (tank where sewage is stored from houses not connected to the main sewage system).

Magdalene Laundries - this was where runways and some troubles were brought. They were slaves in a laundry and received nothing and were treated terribly and the religious orders made money off the backs of this slavery. The last one wasn't closed till the 90s which is messed up.

Also corporal punishment in schools until the late 60s early 70s especially in industrial schools (some of which were for troubled boys and the abuse there was messed up.

So yes we have a dark past. Now it makes sense why there are few young Catholics in Ireland. We don't mention it much but we know and it makes me ashamed and I'm 25.

diffles2 , Alejandro Luengo Report

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#17

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Germany. Female genital mutilation in Germany. It makes me incredibly angry as it is an more or less unpunished crime for decades now and nothing is done really.

Every few years, when sombody decides to report about it measures are announced, but nothing will be really done.

Schnauze-Lutscher , Zohre Nemati Report

#18

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Russia. Most Russians actually support their government and especially Putin

Looz-Ashae , Kremlin.ru Report

#19

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of The regional languages in France were progressively replaced by French from 1789. Only a few are still remaining (mostly those who aren't understandable by a French speaker, like Breton, Basque, Corsican, Alsatian, Francoprovençal etc.) but apparently more than 90% of our regional languages are now dead. You only find them in regional accents.

MapsCharts , anthony Choren Report

#20

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Georgia. State of LGBT rights. They are non-existent, you can easily get killed by religious people and nobody will give a sh*t.

Gioware , daniel james Report

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#21

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of France. I'd say war against colonised Algeria. It is really a shameful thing involving war crimes, torture, ... A lot of veterans won't talk about it because of how ashamed they feel.

Look it up.

Grand_Papi , Levi Meir Clancy Report

#22

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Lithuania often ranks among the top countries by suicide rates. It's like ~1/4000 lithunians is gonna kill themselves.

TheMantasMan , Victor Malyushev Report

#23

United Kingdom.

King Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathiser; he and his wife visited Germany in the 30s to have dinner with Hitler and inspect SS troops.

In the 60s, he is believed to have said to a friend: "I never thought Hitler was such a bad chap."

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#24

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Romania. A few years back there was a scandal of a pediatric doctor that did extremely painful medical experiments on children he was supposed to be treating, such as putting a metal rod near their backs and putting screws into their spines to "fix" scoliosis or something similar with bones he considered weren't growing properly. He mostly targeted poor families, or families with kids with weird conditions because he figured they wouldn't be able to or have the power to question his practices.

Also the fact that it's been revealed several orphanages drug the kids there and tie them to their beds to keep them compliant.

I've also read a religious article of an "exorcism" that was performed on a little kid they called posessed because "he would suddenly go very still and start shaking violently" (to anyone with a brain it's obvious he was just seizing). Instead of following the procedure for a seizure, which is making sure he isn't in danger of hurting himself by bashing his head or something, they rushed him to a church and placed him on the floor there (and it wasn't a soft floor by any means).

Or the fact that we've had gay people thrown in prison for being gay several years after communism fell (I think either late 90's or even early 00's).

Or, not that sinister but just plain stupid and more recent: the church brought "moase" (aka remains of "saints") during the current pandemic and hundreds of people just lined up to kiss them, all on the same spot too :) (it's a /s smile, don't get me wrong).

kriiiiiis , Oksana Gogu Report

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#25

Switzerland.

"Verdingkinder" basically orphans used as slavelabor. They were often mistreated.

There is a movie about it if anyone is intrested

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#26

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of In Ireland homosexuality was only decriminalised in 1993, after a 16 year legal battle which ended up in the European Court of Human Rights in 1988 (it took 5 years to implement the courts ruling).

JerHigs , Robert V. Ruggiero Report

#27

I guess colonization is a dark time for many countries, in Denmark is was no different, but often you talk about the islands is the Caribbean or Africa, but the treatment of Greenlandic people has been absolutely horrible in Denmark.

They have been treated 2. rank citizens, and everything was dictated from Denmark and they had little to no say in it. Still I have heard that higher education in Greenland is taught in Danish not Greenlandic, but they might have changed that?

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#28

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Turkey. The years 1980-1983 were very dark years for Turkey - a paranoid nationalist military junta coupled with guerilla warfare in the countryside and massive political repression. Add torture in military prisons, kangaroo courts, and state-funded assassinations to that.

Pardon my French, but the bastard who caused all that died before his jail sentence was approved.

ArcherTheBoi , Svetlana Gumerova Report

#29

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Greece. We are the only country in EU where the Sharia law is still legal.

jimijoop , Majid Korang beheshti Report

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anarkzie
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not saying this is not true, as I do not know the facts but this really sounds like b.s. Sharia law is not even 100% practiced in most majority Islamic countries. The far right in the UK makes the same claims over here and what it actually amounts to is Islamic courts of arbitration dealing with Muslims weddings, which are not recognised by UK law on account of a marriage being between 2 people over here, not 1 man and 4 women.

Geralt of Rivia
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sheria courts and judges who think beating your wife to despite her is perfectly legal and won't report the issue to the police or help the woman seek divorce. Yeah bring up Islamophobia and the far right every time something is said about Islam. I am an ex Muslim and the Sheria has no place in the western liberal democracies.

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Gata Nick
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Greece is a Christian country with a Muslim minority. In this minority group there are people who they themselves decide whether to follow the Sharia law or not. The State does not require nor condone such a law.

Kesam
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This seems to be incorrect: https://www.euronews.com/amp/2018/01/10/greece-no-longer-requires-muslims-to-use-sharia-law

Donkey boi
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's still legal, they just have an option to 'opt in' to a secular court system to resolve disputes.

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Trevor Nicholson
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The first official mosque in modern Athens just opened in November 2020. Also, there's actually no reason to ban Sharia law because it's literally not the law and bans are done by xenophobia governments to stir up Islamophobia, by creating the notion in the public that Muslims are threatening to overtake Europe. Sharia is not "legal" in Greece, it's just not been banned because there's no reason to.

Geralt of Rivia
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sheria law should be banned full period. It has no place in western liberal values. Doesn't matter whether it's family court or not. I don't know why a religion that thinks it's perfectly fine for a husband to beat his wife should have any business running family matters.

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Mary Jane
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

😅 We are a bs country for many reasons but this is not one of them. The fist mosque was recognized in 2020 cause of our history with the Turks and how muslimphobic most greeks are and you believe we have the Sharia law? 😂😂😂

julien
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

" The Greek parliament has changed a century-old law that gave Islamic courts priority over family law matters among the Muslim minority in Western Thrace. Greece is the only EU country with Islamic religious courts."

julien
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

USA : 7 States Still Have Bans on Atheists Holding Office : Maryland, Arkansas, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. To many Americans, beliefs in God and Americanism has become synonymous. A 2015 survey found that 69% of respondents thought it was important to believe in God to be truly American. And Americans are expected to embrace national slogans such as In God We Trust and one nation, under God.

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Bubbles and sparks
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The issue stems from treaties drafted between Greece and Turkey following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The 1920 Treaty of Sevres and the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne stipulated that Islamic customs and religious law would apply to the thousands of Muslims who became Greek citizens. After initially winning an appeal to Greece's secular justice, the supreme court ruled in 2013 that only a mufti had the power to rule over matters of inheritance involving members of the Muslim minority. Copied from an article from 10/01/2018 https://www.euronews.com/2018/01/10/greece-no-longer-requires-muslims-to-use-sharia-law

Mary
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sharia law was removed in Greece at January 9th 2018...

Brat hard
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Frankly it's quite impossible considering most muslim countries don't even implement sharia law to it's full extent. Their constitutions are amalgamation of sharia law & laws given by their colonizers or international laws but i would really like a greek to check the veracity of the given fact

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Italy, as many by now know, is a f****d up burocratical nightmare.
Until 1981 there was a law called "Delitto D'Onore" (= Crime in name of someones honor) that stated that people found guilty of kiling someone to maintain the familys reputation would be given a lesser conviction than someone found guilty for the same crime but for other reasons.

If a woman was found committing adultery, it was "legal" to kill her (and her lover in some instances). Of course no one batted an eye when the cheater was the husband. It was extended to families too, the brother or the father could kill a sister/daughter they found out she had an unwedded sexual relationship (EVEN IF SHE WAS SINGLE).


The most (yeah, even more) messed up part was that until 1930 (yeah they realised this was not a top notch idea earlier but still) the husband could kill the children if he knew they weren't his. (there was a weird legal part where they could be killed only if they were less than 5 days old or wasn't registred by the state Register... like AH WELL THAT MAKES IT REASONABLE)

I repeat, the law for Honors Killing was in place until 1981!!
And some people still act as if it was reasonable. No wonders we struggle to eradicate what we call "femminicidio" (=femalemurder, is a term used for the death of women that could be prevented if laws against abuse in marriages/relationship was taken seriously and action taken promptly) to this day.

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30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of I don't know if it's not known but Italy passed racial laws during WWII.

More recent: the "trattativa stato mafia" aka "state-mafia negotiations" in 1993 and 1994.

Essentially it was a secret negotiation between very high government figures and Sicilian Mafia chiefs, at the end of the "massacre season" in which Mafia carried out literal terrorist attacks, since there was a very strong battle against them carried out by the Palermo group (pool di Palermo).

The prosecutors Falcone and Borsellino died at the end of the massacre season, after they hit hard the Sicilians with the Maxiprocesso (aka Mega-Trial)

giorgio_gabber , Michele Bitetto Report

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#32

Canada- same colonization rape and pillaging of the natives as most places colonized by the British. Compounded with the forcibly removing native children from their families and putting them into horrifically abusive residential schools (the last of which only closed in the 1990s) and which in the last few years mass unmarked graves have been rediscovered. The loss of languages, the alcoholism, the ‘choose to be status or not’ b******t that gives rights in exchange for culture loss. Canada is seen as a peace touting loving country but it has an awful recent history. And that’s only their treatment of the indigenous. Each ethnic minority has a history of racism and ‘other’ treatment regardless of when in history they/their family immigrated.

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#33

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of In Crete most if not all people have at least one kind of gun in their house (anything from a hunting rifle to the latest fully automatic rifle) and some time ago (maybe even now I have no idea) the rest are Vendettas where families (by families I mean a group of people that have the same surname) would go into all out war between each other for any kind of reason

I'm from Crete but I Grew up in Attica and my family used to be in a Vendetta when someone was operating my Great Grandfathers excavator and he rolled over and died and his family blamed my great grandpa and I don't know how that ended

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#34

Northern Marianas. After WW2, the islands was occupied and controlled by the US government. Our culture and language is dying. We’ve been whitewashed and just accepted that after the older generation dies the language and cultural practices will die with them.

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#35

Romania.

In the early 70s, our fabulous dictator banned abortions because he wanted a baby boom. For Romanian women. Gypsy women were allowed to get abortions. Some doctors would recommend gypsy women to get abortions even if they were not necessary. Secrete police/party members would actually be in for some gynecological exams and make recommendations.

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#36

30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Finland had concentration camps after the Finnish civil war, holding some 80000 "reds"

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#37

Australia. Our attitude to asylum seekers who arrive by boat is really heartless. Automatically they are sent to immigration detention for indefinite periods of time and treated like criminals. It is a cruel, inhuman system and the immigration system has very poor accountability.

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Belgium. Colonised the Congo and exterminated about 11 million Africans. King Leopold II took the Congo as his personal estate. Villagers were herded into barns and a grenade thrown in. Children who didn't produce enough rubber had their hands amputated by soldiers. Belgium has MUCH to answer for. TAKE DOWN LEOPOLD'S STATUES AND PAY REPARATIONS !!!

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30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of South Africa had a inter-tribal genocide between 1815 and 1840 resulting in the death of between 1 - 2 million people.

The genocide, called the Mfecane, or the crushing in Zulu, was perpitrated by Shaka Zulu, and the Zulus, as he was establishing his kingdom. This lead to the depopulation of the interior which created room for the white boer settlers (voortrekkers) to move in and settle the area from 1836, basically uncontested in unclaimed territories.

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#40

Denmark. How horribly we treated Germans after WW2. This is a subject we aren't being taught about in school since we trying to let it slide past as something that happened but doesn't happen anymore (which is true though).

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30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Well, interwar Poland had a prison, or concentration camp, for political opponets, 3,000 imprisoned, 7-15 died

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30 Dark Facts About These Countries That Not Many People Know Of Spain. How we left behind West Sahara and Equatorial Guinea people in the 70s, who spoke Spanish and held Spanish IDs at the time. I’m not very familiar with the root causes and would like to read more about it though. Political turmoil caused by the imminent Franco’s death played a major role though.

It became a tradition among some people here to bring in West Sahara children over for summer holidays every year.

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#43

During wwII Sweden helped the Nazis by letting German soldiers and weapons be transported by train back and forth through Sweden to then occupied Norway.

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Bulgaria. The mass exodus of Turks. In an attempt for our government to "unite" the nation in 1984 they forced all Bulgarian Turks (total about 10% of Bulgarian population) to change their names to Bulgarian-sounding one, they forbid traditional clothing and public muslim rituals. Imagine your government forcing you to change your own name you've had all your life. Of course, as a direct result many Bulgarian Turks left en masse - about 300 000 (out of 800 000) left for Turkey. Maybe half of them returned later but those are impossible to estimate correctly. It was a human rights and a demographic catastrophe.

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#45

Britain "ended the slave trade" by paying off all the slave owners - the amount of money that cost was only fully paid off in the last couple of decades.

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#46

Some families are so poor in central Portugal that the husband often takes his wife out and leaves her on the road so she can prostitute herself for the day and then picks her up in the evening. Hp+e fully by that stage they have enough for them to buy something to eat

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#47

In 1994 on the only fair elections the Belarusians really chose Lukashenka.

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#48

Well talking about slavery, Denmark was the 7th largest slavery(supporting??) country. I believe it was mainly export, but still we contributed enough to land ourselves a spot, as nr 7. But we don't really have dark secrets, as a country. Just like Germany with WW2, we make sure to educate the young people, about all the good and all the bad we've done(Im part of that youth). But like either the slavery part, or being at fault for making the majority of Greenland's older generation alcoholics. It's a couple of years ago, but if anyone from Greenland could tell me how they are coming along with their alcoholism, that would be great

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#49

There is general compulsion for military service for all adult males defined in Constitution of Finland. Military service period is 165 to 347 days depending on rank and duties but it can be replaced with civilian service which is always 12 months. If you refuse to perform either military or civilian service you will face a penalty in prison although nowadays it's usually replaced with house arrest. Amnesty classifies "total objectors" as prisoners of conscience.

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#50

South Africa. I am not a Boer (Dutch descendant). And the Boers stole our indigenous land (Along with the British) by means of colonial violence and brainwashing with the Missionaries and their "christianity". That is well-known. However, what is less-well known, is that the British instituted concentration camps against the Boers in the 1800s. It wasn't Hitler that started that. It was the British.

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Most of the peopl in the romanian parliment are stupid,or corrupt.usually both

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