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Mom Asks Whether She’s A Bad Mother, Gets A Dose Of Harsh Reality, Demands An Apology
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Mom Asks Whether She’s A Bad Mother, Gets A Dose Of Harsh Reality, Demands An Apology

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Many people tend to applaud brutal honesty and give props to those who “keep it real.” However, delivering a harsh truth can damage relationships, especially among family members

A woman decided to homeschool her young son, leading to undesirable results. Watching it all unfold is one of her parents, who spoke to her with utmost candor about her seeming lack of proper parenting decisions

Tensions rose as the woman demanded an apology. However, the grandparent refused, believing the criticisms were warranted. Scroll down for the full story.   

Some people think being brutally honest is the best way to go

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This grandparent called their daughter a “bad mother” for homeschooling their grandson

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The author refused to apologize for their actions

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Brutal honesty isn’t always necessary when getting our point across

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Many people may laud the author for her “brutal” honesty, a trait that gets a fair amount of praise. However, it isn’t always necessary, especially if you want the other person to hear what you’re trying to say. 

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As licensed psychologist and speaker Dr. Jonice Webb points out in an article for Psychology Today, a “straight-shooter” may also lack awareness of the harm their words can cause the other person. The receiver may react by being defensive or ignoring the message altogether. 

People proud of their brutal candor may say, “No offense, but…” It may be a way for them to excuse their potentially rude behavior by masking it with “honesty.” According to Dr. Webb, it’s a form of gaslighting

“That is a twist that’s confusing and unfair,” she stated. 

That’s why experts like neuropsychologist Dr. Sanam Hafeez consider brutal honesty a red flag in relationships. Apart from the potentially hurtful words thrown around, it can create an unequal dynamic that could damage the receiver’s self-esteem. 

“There is no healthy way to sustain a relationship where one partner is held in such high esteem compared to the other,” Dr. Hafeez told Well & Good

You can be truthful without being hurtful

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It could be possible that the author and their daughter have underlying issues that need addressing. Psychotherapist Dr. Ilene Cohen wrote in an article for Psychology Today that it begins by being true to ourselves. 

“It’s hard to be authentic in our significant relationships if we haven’t dealt with our own stuff and communicated honestly about it,” Dr. Cohen stated. 

But all problems aside, it always helps to communicate without causing hurt and tension. Choosing kindness instead of giving in to ill feelings at the moment may save the relationship from unwanted strain. 

“It isn’t easy to apply this strategy when we’re angry or hurt, but our relationships will give us plenty of opportunities to practice,” Dr. Cohen wrote. 

The author’s concern about their grandson’s academic performance and frustration with their daughter’s parenting decisions are understandable. However, telling their child she’s a bad mother didn’t help. If anything, it only worsened the problem. 

They could have given constructive criticism, perhaps drawing from their experiences. Their daughter could have listened and even taken any advice they may have given. 

What do you think, readers? Was the author within reason with their actions? Or could they have done away with their “brutal honesty”?

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The author provided more information by answering commenters’ questions

Many readers showed their support for the grandparent’s actions

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Max Fox
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YTA are, as usual, batshit crazy, or jumping to conclusions + abysmally ignorant.

Stacy s
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So - the mother is gone to work with a full-time job - she is not HOME, yet is home schooling her son, who can't do any simple tasks his child his age can do. She sounds like a nut job, and the father needs to put his foot down for the sake of his kid. Grandma can call her out, but has no authority to change anything.

LonelyLittleLeafSheep
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

John Oliver did a really informative piece on homeschooling recently. It was eye-opening and absolutely horrifying. There is virtually NO regulations for the parents and NO follow-up by authorities to verify whether or not the child is learning. Additionally, abusive parents can pull their kids out and claim "homeschooling", when in reality they are just using that as an excuse to abuse and torture their kids without interference from school officials, who are often the last line of defense for these kids.

RP
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Australian there is technically now an oversight board but as it is a small community which is invested in its own continued existence, nothing actually gets picked up or reported (at least that was my experience - it might have improved).

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Sea Squirrel
Community Member
3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Poor mom is mad?! Well, the only ones who have a good reason to be really mad, are her neglected child and his dear grandma who has to step in 4 times each week while he could be at school!

Tabitha
Community Member
3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From what I’ve seen, in many places, it isn’t the highly educated and qualified people doing this. It’s the LEAST qualified people—-and I mean barely graduating high school and maybe having a failed part time semester of community college a decade ago under their belt—-who think they’re the only ones who can “properly” teach their children, so they pull them out of school and “homeschool” them. However, the homeschooling turns out to be utter b******t and their kids fall so far behind their age cohorts they end up driving their own cars to school when they’re in 6th grade. Man, talk about your Idiocracy.

Roberta Schrote
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In about ten years, the United States won't have enough doctors, pilots, teachers, engineers, and all other professional experts to help the willfully uneducated or under-educated masses - who, in their ignorance, will still feel entitled to the same level of civilized service their parents and grandparents enjoyed. Also, due to the short-sighted goal of deregulation or government oversight, the water and food and medicine won't be safe either. Darwin Awards all around - the disaster relief workers facing armed attackers in the southern states is a preview of coming attractions.

Fellfromthemoon
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Quite a few decades ago,the USA didn't have enough educated professionals.That was the time of "brain drain": with very competitive salaries and other perks, the highly educated professionals were lured in the country.

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Kari Panda
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"His lesson plan for the week was going outside and looking at plants." - "Oh, maybe he can’t read/do math because he has ADHD/a learning disability." People amaze me… It’s good we‘re more aware of disabilities, but they mustn’t become a cheap excuse. That said, I do wonder if there are behaviour issues (possibly caused by lack of social interaction with other children). I don’t see why a mother would refuse to let their kid play with OP‘s grandson just because he can’t read yet at age 7.

Katherine Minchin
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if they didn't want the child because they are so behind socially that they don't know things like "share" and "don't hit".

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Nimitz
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At 7 years old I could barely read, spell, or subtract, so this isn't surprising. Eventually I got straight A's and majored in Physics and Chemistry. However, everyone knows homeschooling is pure garbage. Every person I know who survived it laments how far they got left behind, and how hard they had to work to make up for its deficits when trying to get into post-secondary. People legitimately homeschool their kids when they have physical/psychological needs. The rest of the time it's just so they can indoctrinate their kid into whatever weird cult the parents believe in. Get that kid back into a real school!

CM Kar
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your post is full of ignorance. I homeschool, and my child is required to take state testing, and we must keep attendance records as well as proof of what our child has learned. My child is above their grade average, and it's been shown time and time again that homeschoolers far excel their peers in getting into colleges, score higher on state exams, and the like. Not every parent does it diligently as they should, but if they don't, that will show up on state exams. Homeschoolers also have more social exposure because we have the freedom to go on field trips and learn in a variety of settings, and speak to people of all different ages. My child is not boxed into a classroom, learning a curriculum that is not tailored to her learning style, being peer pressured to do things and only exposed to kids her own age who don't have a clue about life. She doesn't need to worry about being bullied or about some mass shooter shooting up the school. Public school is NOT real school.

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Dragons Exist
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"yta, why don't you just sacrifice yourself to teach him instead" how is that an argument

john doe
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There needs to be federal regulations on homeschooling, you know check up on them and make sure they are on par with public school kids of the same age and what not. All these red states that allow people to do whatever they want with their kids with no oversight is insane and it's criminal, there will be repercussions in the future when these kids start entering the adult world and will be unemployable, but the parents that made these terrible choices will be the ones who suffer the most so I guess maybe it will become a self correcting problem.

CM Kar
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My state requires testing, attendance records and record keeping. It depends on the state.

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Deborah B
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's probrably not doing a good job communicating with her daughter, but she's right, her daughter is a bad parent. Educational neglect is disasterous for a child, and the longer it goes on, the worse of that child will be for the rest of his life. To all those who're saying YTA because "you're not the parent" abuse and neglect are everyones business. You are the a*****e if you don't intervene or report. This woman has every right and responsibility to advocate for her grandson, and get him the educational support he needs. She needs to insist on a discussion with both parents: The child is severely behind his agegroup, and is not making the educational progress he needs to be. Homeschooling is clearly not working, and he needs to be put back in school. If they don't get their act together, she needs to report them to CPS.

FreeTheUnicorn
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the same method and reasons that reading was discouraged in the middle ages - parents that do this want to control the information their child sees and limit their power to think for themselves or challenge their parents. Deep down they know if the child had an education, they would understand their parents are force feeding them illogical and abusive informatio. There's no care for the child as an individualz only for how they serve the parent. It's criminal that CPS can't take the child away.

Patti Lisenbee
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was homeschooled from 10th grade on and I did not graduate. I could barely read, numbers swam in my head and I kept mixing up + and X, so it was all wrong. I got tutored 10 years into my marriage and finally got my GED. I went to college at age 40 and got professional help there to pass Algebra - just barely. The mother is apparently not teaching her son, which will affect him for life. does mom expect to support him all his life if he cannot read, write and do math sufficient to get a job?

Kalikima
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How did you make it to 10th grade being unable to read? You can't really blame homeschooling for that, most of us learn to read in 1st and 2nd grade..

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marianne eliza
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some parents can't handle the idea of their kid knowing more than they do. The kid might start thinking for themself! Might uncover the untruths their parents tell them.

Just a little dog
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"You're a good mother, but you're not a good teacher. Teaching is a hard job, people go to school to learn how to do it well. Now show that you're a good mother and find him a better teacher. "

Kalikima
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! This is what she should have said.. but it's so easy to think about what to say after the fact, when you're not in the moment with someone staring at you. Still, you're spot on with what she should have said.

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Alexandra
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Teaching is a profession you have to be qualified for. Parents are simply not. Home-schooling just means you're letting your child fall behind and as we all know, making up for a lack of education is hard. That is why we don't have home-schooling unless under very strict conditions, meaning you will be assessed regularly on how your child is doing.I'll never understand why you guys don't take education seriously.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents are their child's first teachers. However, if a parent is not a good parent, they will not be a good teacher. If they are a good parent, even if they don't know how to teach, there are tons of curriculums and resources out there to help and they will seek out what is needed to help their child learn. Many people are attacking homeschoolers because of this one woman's bad example. Children were taught at home through most of history. It's only in the last couple hundred years it was made compulsory to go to a building where the child is in a classroom with so many other children, where it's easy for them to get "lost" in their learning. I was public school educated and know I have some serious holes in my education.I became a teacher and now homeschool.I taught my child how to read, write, and continually teaching them harder and harder arithmetic. We can also go into subject matter as deeply as we want to because we have the time to.We can go at her pace and not someone else's.

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Happy
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone saying that YTA has lost their mind. Your grandson needs to be educated and your daughter is clearly not doing anything to support that happening. It's not your responsibility to teach him and get him caught up when you babysit. It's also not even possible for you to do that when you don't have the curriculum or even enough time with him. You will be the AH if you don't call CPS about this. Otherwise your grandson will never be a functioning member of society. He will be unemployable because he cannot add 1+ 1 or subtract Those are the most basic skills someone has to have to even have a very simple low level poverty level job. You are NTA!

Binky Melnik
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One of the (very wrong) commenters uses the username “Proudly Transphobic.” FFS. Then again, I spose it’s a useful warning for people who might engage in conversation with that thing. Maybe it oughtta be a requirement that people use their worst trait as their username: “Worse than Stupid,” “Can’t Cogitate,” “Beyond Braindead,” “What’s Logic?,” things like that. It’d save a lotta people time in trying to engage them; we could ignore those people, and only ones like them will keep ‘em company. I’ll start; I’ll change my username to “Frequently Misses the Point.” Who’s next?

Kay
Community Member
3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People telling the grandma to teach the kid are insane. She said she's not a teacher, she didn't sign up for that, she is aware she is not qualified to teach, so why is the mother's stupid decision to homeschool the kid suddenly the grandmother's obligation?!

Mark Childers
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids should be in school. Homeschooling is cruel, in my opinion, and the worst people are the ones who usually support it. This is child neglect and abuse and is setting the kid up to work minimum wage jobs the rest of his life. The grandma had to say something. I get the feeling she is at the end of her rope over worrying about her grandchild.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's funny, being that evidence for homeschooling proves the opposite. For those of us who are diligent in our homeschooling, our kids score better on standardized tests and get into good colleges at a higher rate than those in public school. People homeschooled their children for millennia before compulsory education ever became a thing. So how is it child abuse and neglect?

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Just a little dog
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a former coworker who's wife was a school teacher. When COVID hit, they converted their dining room into a classroom, complete with school desks, and she started homeschooling their 3 kids. Now she's also homeschooling the neighbors kids too, and last I heard they're all well ahead of benchmarks. I give it a few years before she turns it into a private school. I wish that was the norm, but unfortunately it isn't. Most of the homeschooled kids I've seen are ignorant, don't know how far behind they are, and don't know how to learn.

dandylilah
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ahhh...yes. Parents never like to be told they've done a s**t job.

Lola July
Community Member
19 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I taught both my children and grandchild to read by age 3. No, I am not a teacher. Start with simple books. Math can be fun, however I would be teaching how I learned, so wrong as well. Perhaps you could go online and find a local homeschooling group that would work with you? When done properly they can receive a superior education.

roddy
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is unforgivable. I wasn't home schooled, but I was reading before I started school at 5, simply because we had books at home and I was encouraged to do so. I can't fathom a child being so far behind at 7 that he knows no math or shapes. This is basically child abuse and I can't understand the people who support the mother and wonder why the grandmother hasn't managed to get him up speed when she occasionally babysits. They are delusional. Probably the same people who would call CPS at the drop of a hat IRL but can't see the problem here.

Roberta Surprenant
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As dumb as the daughter's actions appear to be, how did she ever graduate college?

verna sack
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the parent was educated but apparently not...Do these parents know their ABC"S or to multiply,lol yup they do

Tzoom
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, those first three sentences really did it to me. I was rarely so confused. This clearly was wtitten by AlabamaGPT... oh wait! SIL=Son in law?! My bad

RP
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To the people saying "not your child not your place"... that is who abuse is allowed to flourish. We have a duty to children as a society. They are not a car their parents own. Someone needs to speak up when they see a child being abuse or being neglected.

RP
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The great advantage of homeschooling is that children's don't have to be forced to learn at the same standardized rate as their peers. Some kids need more time for some things and less for others. BUT it is a fundamentally dangerous practice to have accepted with no oversight in society. Abuse goes undetected, the religious indoctrination and trauma is very real for many kids, and it is much harder to access key resources for children with learning disabilities. I firmly believe that part-time schooling should be legal and supported as standard practice for those who don't benefit from the school system (there are kids for whom school does more harm than good) but the children need a legally enforced right to have contact with teachers and support staff from outside the homeschooling community

Game Guy
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

An important consideration is what happens after school. Once that kid becomes an adult, they will absolutely be expected to learn at the rate of their peers. If they don't, they will be fired and no one will care that they're special or have different educational needs from everyone else at work. This recently happened at my office. Very nice new person, very dedicated to doing the job well, but just wasn't able to internalize the things he needed to know to do the work. Spent almost a year trying, but clients were starting to get pissed and he was let go. That might not be fair or nice, but it's how the business world works, and failing to prepare kids for that is doing them a disservice.

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Ann Kapoxeet
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If we actually had some respect for teachers as educational experts, maybe this homeschooling trend would disappear. Life experience is fantastic, but it doesn't replace school.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Both life experience and education (which can be done at home successfully, people have done so for millennia) are necessary. The problem is a school building only provided us one. Homeschooling, if done properly, provides both.

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spjhnx52pq
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My early education was in an Eastern European country where in grade 4 I could do math calculations, without a calculator, that I ended up doing again in high school while allow to use a calculator. Most of my North American peers were still somehow struggling with basic math to me as a 12 year old. The public education system is absolutely ridiculous, so if I had children I would be home schooling them. It sounds like this mom is not willing to do any actual teaching and is actually damaging her child.

Nikole
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It depends on the U.S. school. When I was in 5th grade there was a group of us in the 8th grade math class. And now Chicago wants to do away with “selective enrollment” magnet schools because everyone should have the same education. Well, if you can’t get in, that level isn’t for you.

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TruthoftheHeart
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are supposed to be having monitoring when you homeschool that child should be getting tested and the school/government will be making sure that she's actually teaching if she isn't they will get her. The grandmother needs to report the parents for not properly following the education needs that are supposed to be followed while homeschooling.

Red Skye
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA, you say you have him four days a week, SO stop bitching she doesn't teach him anything and TEACH HIM YOURSELF, using the most basic of basic home education material. It was bad enough my mother could barely spell, and had to take hard labour jobs that destroyed her help, till she got adult eduation to learn the right skiills to take on temp work of a clerical kind. If someone who gave a damn, just educated her young, she wouldn't have had too. YOU have the time to baby-sit, you have time to educate to read and right, and who gives a damn what schools, incomprehensible new maths methods are, teach him the maths YOU KNOW, then he will KNOW MATHS, period. If YOU are not willing to teach the child when you have him, don't grouch because, oh dear, neither is she, guess she had/ still has, a bad example.

SlightlyTarnished
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

US is unique in this respect. I don't get it, but it is what it is. I live in an area of the US where many parents home school. I can only speak from my perspective, there is a small percentage of home schooled kids who get an actual education, many, and I mean many, are dumber than a box of rocks due to home schooling. The US is slowly devolving to a country of idiots.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Depends on what state you're in. In my area, they're highly successful. Besides, in history many successful people were taught at home before public education was ever a thing.

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The Starsong Princess
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, try some tact if you want to influence your daughter. Right now, you aren’t helping.

Max Fox
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YTA are, as usual, batshit crazy, or jumping to conclusions + abysmally ignorant.

Stacy s
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So - the mother is gone to work with a full-time job - she is not HOME, yet is home schooling her son, who can't do any simple tasks his child his age can do. She sounds like a nut job, and the father needs to put his foot down for the sake of his kid. Grandma can call her out, but has no authority to change anything.

LonelyLittleLeafSheep
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

John Oliver did a really informative piece on homeschooling recently. It was eye-opening and absolutely horrifying. There is virtually NO regulations for the parents and NO follow-up by authorities to verify whether or not the child is learning. Additionally, abusive parents can pull their kids out and claim "homeschooling", when in reality they are just using that as an excuse to abuse and torture their kids without interference from school officials, who are often the last line of defense for these kids.

RP
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Australian there is technically now an oversight board but as it is a small community which is invested in its own continued existence, nothing actually gets picked up or reported (at least that was my experience - it might have improved).

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Sea Squirrel
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Poor mom is mad?! Well, the only ones who have a good reason to be really mad, are her neglected child and his dear grandma who has to step in 4 times each week while he could be at school!

Tabitha
Community Member
3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

From what I’ve seen, in many places, it isn’t the highly educated and qualified people doing this. It’s the LEAST qualified people—-and I mean barely graduating high school and maybe having a failed part time semester of community college a decade ago under their belt—-who think they’re the only ones who can “properly” teach their children, so they pull them out of school and “homeschool” them. However, the homeschooling turns out to be utter b******t and their kids fall so far behind their age cohorts they end up driving their own cars to school when they’re in 6th grade. Man, talk about your Idiocracy.

Roberta Schrote
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In about ten years, the United States won't have enough doctors, pilots, teachers, engineers, and all other professional experts to help the willfully uneducated or under-educated masses - who, in their ignorance, will still feel entitled to the same level of civilized service their parents and grandparents enjoyed. Also, due to the short-sighted goal of deregulation or government oversight, the water and food and medicine won't be safe either. Darwin Awards all around - the disaster relief workers facing armed attackers in the southern states is a preview of coming attractions.

Fellfromthemoon
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Quite a few decades ago,the USA didn't have enough educated professionals.That was the time of "brain drain": with very competitive salaries and other perks, the highly educated professionals were lured in the country.

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Kari Panda
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"His lesson plan for the week was going outside and looking at plants." - "Oh, maybe he can’t read/do math because he has ADHD/a learning disability." People amaze me… It’s good we‘re more aware of disabilities, but they mustn’t become a cheap excuse. That said, I do wonder if there are behaviour issues (possibly caused by lack of social interaction with other children). I don’t see why a mother would refuse to let their kid play with OP‘s grandson just because he can’t read yet at age 7.

Katherine Minchin
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder if they didn't want the child because they are so behind socially that they don't know things like "share" and "don't hit".

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Nimitz
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3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At 7 years old I could barely read, spell, or subtract, so this isn't surprising. Eventually I got straight A's and majored in Physics and Chemistry. However, everyone knows homeschooling is pure garbage. Every person I know who survived it laments how far they got left behind, and how hard they had to work to make up for its deficits when trying to get into post-secondary. People legitimately homeschool their kids when they have physical/psychological needs. The rest of the time it's just so they can indoctrinate their kid into whatever weird cult the parents believe in. Get that kid back into a real school!

CM Kar
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1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your post is full of ignorance. I homeschool, and my child is required to take state testing, and we must keep attendance records as well as proof of what our child has learned. My child is above their grade average, and it's been shown time and time again that homeschoolers far excel their peers in getting into colleges, score higher on state exams, and the like. Not every parent does it diligently as they should, but if they don't, that will show up on state exams. Homeschoolers also have more social exposure because we have the freedom to go on field trips and learn in a variety of settings, and speak to people of all different ages. My child is not boxed into a classroom, learning a curriculum that is not tailored to her learning style, being peer pressured to do things and only exposed to kids her own age who don't have a clue about life. She doesn't need to worry about being bullied or about some mass shooter shooting up the school. Public school is NOT real school.

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Dragons Exist
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"yta, why don't you just sacrifice yourself to teach him instead" how is that an argument

john doe
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There needs to be federal regulations on homeschooling, you know check up on them and make sure they are on par with public school kids of the same age and what not. All these red states that allow people to do whatever they want with their kids with no oversight is insane and it's criminal, there will be repercussions in the future when these kids start entering the adult world and will be unemployable, but the parents that made these terrible choices will be the ones who suffer the most so I guess maybe it will become a self correcting problem.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My state requires testing, attendance records and record keeping. It depends on the state.

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Deborah B
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's probrably not doing a good job communicating with her daughter, but she's right, her daughter is a bad parent. Educational neglect is disasterous for a child, and the longer it goes on, the worse of that child will be for the rest of his life. To all those who're saying YTA because "you're not the parent" abuse and neglect are everyones business. You are the a*****e if you don't intervene or report. This woman has every right and responsibility to advocate for her grandson, and get him the educational support he needs. She needs to insist on a discussion with both parents: The child is severely behind his agegroup, and is not making the educational progress he needs to be. Homeschooling is clearly not working, and he needs to be put back in school. If they don't get their act together, she needs to report them to CPS.

FreeTheUnicorn
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the same method and reasons that reading was discouraged in the middle ages - parents that do this want to control the information their child sees and limit their power to think for themselves or challenge their parents. Deep down they know if the child had an education, they would understand their parents are force feeding them illogical and abusive informatio. There's no care for the child as an individualz only for how they serve the parent. It's criminal that CPS can't take the child away.

Patti Lisenbee
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was homeschooled from 10th grade on and I did not graduate. I could barely read, numbers swam in my head and I kept mixing up + and X, so it was all wrong. I got tutored 10 years into my marriage and finally got my GED. I went to college at age 40 and got professional help there to pass Algebra - just barely. The mother is apparently not teaching her son, which will affect him for life. does mom expect to support him all his life if he cannot read, write and do math sufficient to get a job?

Kalikima
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How did you make it to 10th grade being unable to read? You can't really blame homeschooling for that, most of us learn to read in 1st and 2nd grade..

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marianne eliza
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some parents can't handle the idea of their kid knowing more than they do. The kid might start thinking for themself! Might uncover the untruths their parents tell them.

Just a little dog
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"You're a good mother, but you're not a good teacher. Teaching is a hard job, people go to school to learn how to do it well. Now show that you're a good mother and find him a better teacher. "

Kalikima
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! This is what she should have said.. but it's so easy to think about what to say after the fact, when you're not in the moment with someone staring at you. Still, you're spot on with what she should have said.

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Alexandra
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Teaching is a profession you have to be qualified for. Parents are simply not. Home-schooling just means you're letting your child fall behind and as we all know, making up for a lack of education is hard. That is why we don't have home-schooling unless under very strict conditions, meaning you will be assessed regularly on how your child is doing.I'll never understand why you guys don't take education seriously.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents are their child's first teachers. However, if a parent is not a good parent, they will not be a good teacher. If they are a good parent, even if they don't know how to teach, there are tons of curriculums and resources out there to help and they will seek out what is needed to help their child learn. Many people are attacking homeschoolers because of this one woman's bad example. Children were taught at home through most of history. It's only in the last couple hundred years it was made compulsory to go to a building where the child is in a classroom with so many other children, where it's easy for them to get "lost" in their learning. I was public school educated and know I have some serious holes in my education.I became a teacher and now homeschool.I taught my child how to read, write, and continually teaching them harder and harder arithmetic. We can also go into subject matter as deeply as we want to because we have the time to.We can go at her pace and not someone else's.

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Happy
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone saying that YTA has lost their mind. Your grandson needs to be educated and your daughter is clearly not doing anything to support that happening. It's not your responsibility to teach him and get him caught up when you babysit. It's also not even possible for you to do that when you don't have the curriculum or even enough time with him. You will be the AH if you don't call CPS about this. Otherwise your grandson will never be a functioning member of society. He will be unemployable because he cannot add 1+ 1 or subtract Those are the most basic skills someone has to have to even have a very simple low level poverty level job. You are NTA!

Binky Melnik
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One of the (very wrong) commenters uses the username “Proudly Transphobic.” FFS. Then again, I spose it’s a useful warning for people who might engage in conversation with that thing. Maybe it oughtta be a requirement that people use their worst trait as their username: “Worse than Stupid,” “Can’t Cogitate,” “Beyond Braindead,” “What’s Logic?,” things like that. It’d save a lotta people time in trying to engage them; we could ignore those people, and only ones like them will keep ‘em company. I’ll start; I’ll change my username to “Frequently Misses the Point.” Who’s next?

Kay
Community Member
3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People telling the grandma to teach the kid are insane. She said she's not a teacher, she didn't sign up for that, she is aware she is not qualified to teach, so why is the mother's stupid decision to homeschool the kid suddenly the grandmother's obligation?!

Mark Childers
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids should be in school. Homeschooling is cruel, in my opinion, and the worst people are the ones who usually support it. This is child neglect and abuse and is setting the kid up to work minimum wage jobs the rest of his life. The grandma had to say something. I get the feeling she is at the end of her rope over worrying about her grandchild.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's funny, being that evidence for homeschooling proves the opposite. For those of us who are diligent in our homeschooling, our kids score better on standardized tests and get into good colleges at a higher rate than those in public school. People homeschooled their children for millennia before compulsory education ever became a thing. So how is it child abuse and neglect?

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Just a little dog
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a former coworker who's wife was a school teacher. When COVID hit, they converted their dining room into a classroom, complete with school desks, and she started homeschooling their 3 kids. Now she's also homeschooling the neighbors kids too, and last I heard they're all well ahead of benchmarks. I give it a few years before she turns it into a private school. I wish that was the norm, but unfortunately it isn't. Most of the homeschooled kids I've seen are ignorant, don't know how far behind they are, and don't know how to learn.

dandylilah
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ahhh...yes. Parents never like to be told they've done a s**t job.

Lola July
Community Member
19 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I taught both my children and grandchild to read by age 3. No, I am not a teacher. Start with simple books. Math can be fun, however I would be teaching how I learned, so wrong as well. Perhaps you could go online and find a local homeschooling group that would work with you? When done properly they can receive a superior education.

roddy
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is unforgivable. I wasn't home schooled, but I was reading before I started school at 5, simply because we had books at home and I was encouraged to do so. I can't fathom a child being so far behind at 7 that he knows no math or shapes. This is basically child abuse and I can't understand the people who support the mother and wonder why the grandmother hasn't managed to get him up speed when she occasionally babysits. They are delusional. Probably the same people who would call CPS at the drop of a hat IRL but can't see the problem here.

Roberta Surprenant
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As dumb as the daughter's actions appear to be, how did she ever graduate college?

verna sack
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the parent was educated but apparently not...Do these parents know their ABC"S or to multiply,lol yup they do

Tzoom
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, those first three sentences really did it to me. I was rarely so confused. This clearly was wtitten by AlabamaGPT... oh wait! SIL=Son in law?! My bad

RP
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To the people saying "not your child not your place"... that is who abuse is allowed to flourish. We have a duty to children as a society. They are not a car their parents own. Someone needs to speak up when they see a child being abuse or being neglected.

RP
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The great advantage of homeschooling is that children's don't have to be forced to learn at the same standardized rate as their peers. Some kids need more time for some things and less for others. BUT it is a fundamentally dangerous practice to have accepted with no oversight in society. Abuse goes undetected, the religious indoctrination and trauma is very real for many kids, and it is much harder to access key resources for children with learning disabilities. I firmly believe that part-time schooling should be legal and supported as standard practice for those who don't benefit from the school system (there are kids for whom school does more harm than good) but the children need a legally enforced right to have contact with teachers and support staff from outside the homeschooling community

Game Guy
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

An important consideration is what happens after school. Once that kid becomes an adult, they will absolutely be expected to learn at the rate of their peers. If they don't, they will be fired and no one will care that they're special or have different educational needs from everyone else at work. This recently happened at my office. Very nice new person, very dedicated to doing the job well, but just wasn't able to internalize the things he needed to know to do the work. Spent almost a year trying, but clients were starting to get pissed and he was let go. That might not be fair or nice, but it's how the business world works, and failing to prepare kids for that is doing them a disservice.

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Ann Kapoxeet
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If we actually had some respect for teachers as educational experts, maybe this homeschooling trend would disappear. Life experience is fantastic, but it doesn't replace school.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Both life experience and education (which can be done at home successfully, people have done so for millennia) are necessary. The problem is a school building only provided us one. Homeschooling, if done properly, provides both.

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spjhnx52pq
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My early education was in an Eastern European country where in grade 4 I could do math calculations, without a calculator, that I ended up doing again in high school while allow to use a calculator. Most of my North American peers were still somehow struggling with basic math to me as a 12 year old. The public education system is absolutely ridiculous, so if I had children I would be home schooling them. It sounds like this mom is not willing to do any actual teaching and is actually damaging her child.

Nikole
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It depends on the U.S. school. When I was in 5th grade there was a group of us in the 8th grade math class. And now Chicago wants to do away with “selective enrollment” magnet schools because everyone should have the same education. Well, if you can’t get in, that level isn’t for you.

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TruthoftheHeart
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are supposed to be having monitoring when you homeschool that child should be getting tested and the school/government will be making sure that she's actually teaching if she isn't they will get her. The grandmother needs to report the parents for not properly following the education needs that are supposed to be followed while homeschooling.

Red Skye
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA, you say you have him four days a week, SO stop bitching she doesn't teach him anything and TEACH HIM YOURSELF, using the most basic of basic home education material. It was bad enough my mother could barely spell, and had to take hard labour jobs that destroyed her help, till she got adult eduation to learn the right skiills to take on temp work of a clerical kind. If someone who gave a damn, just educated her young, she wouldn't have had too. YOU have the time to baby-sit, you have time to educate to read and right, and who gives a damn what schools, incomprehensible new maths methods are, teach him the maths YOU KNOW, then he will KNOW MATHS, period. If YOU are not willing to teach the child when you have him, don't grouch because, oh dear, neither is she, guess she had/ still has, a bad example.

SlightlyTarnished
Community Member
3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

US is unique in this respect. I don't get it, but it is what it is. I live in an area of the US where many parents home school. I can only speak from my perspective, there is a small percentage of home schooled kids who get an actual education, many, and I mean many, are dumber than a box of rocks due to home schooling. The US is slowly devolving to a country of idiots.

CM Kar
Community Member
1 week ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Depends on what state you're in. In my area, they're highly successful. Besides, in history many successful people were taught at home before public education was ever a thing.

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The Starsong Princess
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, try some tact if you want to influence your daughter. Right now, you aren’t helping.

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