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Pro-Vegan Guy Attacks iPhone Case Makers For Killing Animals To Make Cases, And Company’s Reply Goes Viral
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Pro-Vegan Guy Attacks iPhone Case Makers For Killing Animals To Make Cases, And Company’s Reply Goes Viral

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Leather is the material. It’s used to make clothing, footwear, furniture, automobile seats, you name it. However, while the earliest record of leather artifacts date back to at least 2200 BC, a lot of today’s consumers have boycotted goods made from this material for an ethical reason. Killing animals. A good example of this is a recent comment one man left under a video about the making-of of a leather iPhone case.

The video was released by Saddleback Leather, a company that claims their products are 100% leather, as opposed to the other iPhone cases that are usually about 80% plastic and only 20% leather. The company responded to the criticism, pointing out that the material they use is only a by-product of other industries and there are much bigger problems in the smartphone-making business.

According to the United Nations, “the leather and leather products industry plays a prominent role in the world’s economy, with an estimated global trade value of approximately US$100 billion per year.”

“World population grew dramatically in the 20th century and it continues to grow at present. This growing population and the general increase in wealth have led to increases in the demand for meat, which in turn have kept the supply of leather raw material fairly constant.” In fact, so constant that, the raw material supplies for the leather industry reflected population growth throughout the whole 20th century. Also, “the ratio of cattle populations (by far the primary source of leather raw material) and leather produced to the size of human populations has remained remarkably steady for the last one hundred years.” The United Nations claims that, “the leather industry relies on by-products of the meat and dairy industries for over 95% of its raw materials.”

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    Recently, a man criticised Saddleback Leather for making leather iPhone case, thus supporting animal abuse

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    Diana R
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Regardless of moral high ground, the leather company had the more rational comment. But they both kinda ended up calling each other hypocrites. And you know, they both are hypocrites. Aren't we all if we're honest with ourselves?

    Aunt Messy
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So...what would he use? Plastic? Ok. Plastic is made from petroleum, which is an environmental disaster on a whole bunch of fronts, from destroying habitats, to smoke belching factories and when it wears out (a LOT faster than leather does) it ends up in landfills where it will be for eternity, since it NEVER breaks down. ...///... How about cotton? Ok. Cotton is grown in heavily irrigated areas in depleted soil that requires millions of tons of petroleum based fertilizers and chemical insecticides. It must be processed in the aforementioned smoke-belching factories and assembled in even more factories, but that happens overseas so the self-righteous don't have to look at it. ...///... Leather is readily available, easily processed, and when you're done with it, it decomposes easily.

    Zenozenobee
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was at a dinner once were a vegetarian was roast by a vegan cause she was a "hypocrite", "fake friend of animal" as she was using butter, milk or eggs and this is animal slavery. ( We, omnivorous, were never target) All the products this vegan girl brought to the dinner to replace or "monstruous products" were made with palm oil....

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    Naomi Armitage
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    RE: "While others claim that they’re business in unethical" Are you guys sure you're not looking to hire a freelance proofreader? My rates are very reasonable. Plus, I work weekends.

    Jo Choto
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the best way to promote your beliefs is to support issues that you care about with your time and/or money. You can also buy/not buy whatever you choose and make a point that way. For example, I have never, and would never, eat McDonalds food or purchase anything that would put money in their corporate pockets. That's just a choice I make. Everyone else can eat there all day long. It's not my problem. It's not my job to attack companies or people. I speak with my wallet. If people want to know the good and the bad of an organization, they are free to research and decide for themselves. Everyone is allowed to have their own different thoughts, opinions and beliefs. I was a vegan for years and never once did I criticize or judge anyone else for making a different choice. I prefer to live and let live (and for me, that includes all the animals as well as the people).

    BoredDragonfly
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you for the great comment! It is the way everyone should think and act. Your life, your decisions. Period.

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    DC Blythe
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why the hell is everyone talking about killing animals for the leather as being a worse thing than producing plastic, which would be, for those aresholes the basic replacement raw material to use instead of animal skin. Kill one animal get 1000 or so wallets or phone cases. Make them out of plastic though, and you kill literally thousands of animals and people with waste and pollution.

    Master Markus
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Personally - and I'll try not to go on a tangent about this - I'm not a vegetarian, and I appreciate eating meat and making things from animal products, but I think that the way it's done on such a mass-market level is very uncomfortable for environmental reasons as well as ethical reasons (like, I don't want beef cattle to be in torturous conditions even if they'll be eaten). Either way, I feel like it's hypocritical for the leather company to talk about how phones are made unethically WHEN THEY'RE MAKING PHONE CASES. If you were making leather bags or coats or something, yeah, then you have an excuse because those are just "general products people need but made of leather", but you're making a product that RELIES ON THE THING YOU ARE CRITICIZING TO EXIST.

    Arran Walker
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That vegan is an overly dramatic idiot for suggesting the company uses horse hides, dogs, or cats for these leather products. Anyone who falls for such a false accusation is also an idiot. Cow hides are largely a byproduct of the meat industry, and it makes sense to use every part of an animal that has already been killed. Not using the hides would be a bigger waste of the animal’s death. A decreasing market in leather goods would not decrease the slaughter of these animals; the hides would just get wasted. The meat industry is too big and profitable to care what happens to hides. Ranchers would find their own uses for hides or, even worse... waste the hides and get more subsidies from the government to make up for lost profits.

    Deborah Rubin
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most vegans I've encountered are overly dramatic, not realizing they're shooting themselves in their collective feet.

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    Sarah Pearson
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A lot of leather comes from deceased dairy cows. They are skinned before being processed into bone meal. It's amazing how the whole animal gets put to use. There's a whole Dirty Jobs episode about it. Check it out

    pete stringer
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Both arguments are flawed because they are both correct arguments, there is no easy solution. The easiest solution would be to develop a synthetic product which performs better then real leather and is cheaper. Until this happens animal products such as leather are simply superior to faux alternatives. Skins are grown to last a lifetime. - Far better to use them to let them go to waste.

    Diana R
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! What do militant vegans ultimately want? Every cow to die a natural death, encased in its glorious leather skin and then be buried at a bovine cemetery?

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    Gerry Higgins
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you don't use the skin and eat the meat then the cow died for nothing. THAT's a waste.

    Kiki
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh STFU dude.If you don't believe in killing animals then fine, but leave everyone else alone.

    Nanzi Khumalo
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I appreciate the morality people have regarding leather or killing animals for leather, however, and I'm putting this out there, did anyone check to see which animals the leather is from? I mean if is cows, sheep or other animals people eat, wouldn't it be better to use their skin than waste it? Those animals will be killed and eaten by someone, so why waste their skin. I prefer the whole animal is used and its death mean more than a steak. But that's just me. I agree with not killing just for the leather, but if the leather is from animals already being killed for food, then let's not waste any part of it. But hey, each to his own!

    Dustin Kerksieck
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just for reference: A live steer is worth about $2300 and the hide is worth about $110, or just under 5% of the total value (based on 2014 commodity prices. I could be wrong, but I assume that percentage doesn't change all that much from year to year. source: http://feedlotmagazine.com/byproduct-exports-important-to-cattle-prices/).

    Pamela
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "...the earliest record of leather artifacts date back to at least 2200 BC..." No, a bit earlier than that! Genesis 3:21 The Lord God made garments of skin (i.e. animal hide) for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

    Chris Pitch
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here is my two cents worth which will not make a lick of difference to others

    Malcontent
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd love a phone case made from a soft and fluffy dog or kitty, imagine how luxurious it would feel. /sarcasm Regardless of the economics and ethics of using leather for products, that vegan is a total moron and no doubt a hypocrite too.

    K. LNU
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did the anti-leather people not see the Bored Panda post about the young woman who gave up being vegan, and stated that she looks and feels SOOOOO much better? lol But seriously, unless you are wearing/using NO by-products of animal, not supporting slave-labor of many third-world countries (and including the USA), not driving a fossil-fueled vehicle, etc... then one should shut one's proverbial pie-hole and just live your own life, and stop worrying about others. *I'll get off my soapbox now. Thanks for letting me rant. ;)

    Deborah Rubin
    Community Member
    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe they can walk around naked? What else can they hurt that way? Oh, wait.....

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    Tobias Meiner
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The person criticising the manufacturer was not pro-vegan but an animal rights advocate. 'Vegan' refers to diet, nothing more. These two groups may and often do overlap but are not synonymous.

    Rob Chapman
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just look at the dude's profile pic. He's got that "I'm so damn smug & full of myself that I deserve to be b***h slapped" look. Either that or he was on the verge of suffering a stroke because he hadn't told 50 people he was vegan the day he took that selfie.

    Slune
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Leather is degradable material used by centuries and the plus factor it keeps many different,traditional craftsmanship alive, what regrettably will be forgotten in future.

    Mortimer Snerd
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What about the corn that the cows have to eat?? Doesn't anyone care about the corn??

    KT Trondsen
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good grief, does that "internet warrior" have nothing better to do with his life? Did he honestly think his vegan induced comment would make a difference in the world? How pathetic can someone get. Cows will always get slaughtered, there's nothing to stop that from happening.

    Connie Bonneville
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm anti diamond. Slavery, child soldiers, etc. Some supermodels pose naked to disparage the fur industry but have no problem with draping themselves in diamonds or leather. It doesn't make sense. Humans suffer due to the diamond industry. It's easy to point a finger. Leather, fur, meat, diamonds. There are always alternatives. But that is sometimes oil based products and we don't like those either. But let's just try our best to do what's right.

    Kayes Sumo
    Community Member
    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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    rhyan lumilay
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    is there a thing contrary to being a vegan? like they are concern about fruits and vegetables that grows and being harvested and cuts to pieces for the consumption of vegan? I know plants have feelings too and we need them to produce oxygen that we breathe.

    Catherine Spencer-Mills
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, does the anti-leather person have a cell phone? Do they care about the plastic body and parts contributing to climate change? Do they have a plastic phone cover, ditto? Do they care about slave labor and mining tailings and etc? You change your environment just by standing in one place until you die of dehydration - seeing as you don't want to impact your environment negatively by drinking water. You still change the environment as your body decomposes. I try to be sensible, but I am not unaware of all the impacts just living has.

    Jerome Goodwin
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think all those that complained should not wear anything that uses animal products which would inculcated cars and chairs or anything in the house then let them complain.

    LBC
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OK, just what is "vegan leather"? I see that label on purses and such. Tanned cornhusks? I get that some people don't want leather and that's their choice,. I just don't get why it's called leather albeit vegan leather instead of just saying "Made of synthetics". I think it's pandering.

    Azziza
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's polyurethane. So basically made from fossil fuels in a way that is toxic to the environment. Good job vegans.

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    Kats Peterson
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That leather case is the only biodegradable part of that device. The rest will end up in a third-world toxic slag heap being picked over by desperately poor people and children, in order to try to salvage some bit of salvageable material to sell for food.

    M O'Connell
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually that style of ewaste disposal has diminished ENORMOUSLY in the last 10 years. The process of breaking down ewaste is now a quite-well refined mechanical process. And actually, many 'recycled' smartphones are actually literally recycled. They arrive in those poorer parts of the world, are sorted by manufacturer and model, then guys who would make MacGuyver s**t himself take the pile of brokenness and churn out perfectly working phones by swapping parts back and forth. That's how those less-developed places manage to put an iPhone3 in every pocket. I also appreciate that the leather feels better in the hand, is more grippy than plastic, can be tooled with traditional leather-working tools into whatever design you want, and will certainly be biodegradable in the end. Before the smartphone-shaming begins, I use a flip-phone from 2014.

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    Jace
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yay, more cherry picking to showcase how horrible and irrational ALL vegans must be. I can’t wait to read it. Then I will be excited to read the centrist, positionless position statement where “everyone is hypocritical if you really think about it” that gets most up-voted in the comments so that everyone feels superior over anyone who takes a strong stance on anything at all. Wheee! I almost prefer the people who just admit to not caring about animals, rather than the people who try to put themselves into a superior position over the arguments of both vegans and meat eaters.

    noitall man
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    First, if you are sending comments out from a "company" twitter or whatever, try speaking proper english. Second, why not respond "while we appreciate your concern for the animals, and support your decision to not purchase products containing animals, we would also like to ask that your support in allowing us to live our lives as we see fit. You are welcome to not purchase our products and we will not be insulted."

    DrVaseem
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Alright, but why sell the cover so expensive, when you got it from the people who were going to throw it? So you saying you got the skin for peanuts, and selling it for Dollars.. hmm?

    Diana R
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Overhead, wages, insurance, ya know, the cost of doing business. If they're too expensive nobody will buy them so the market put him out of business or force him to lower prices. In theory.

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    Mr. Re-in-act-ment
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes they wait for the cow to die. But when the meat industry comes, the leather industry takes the leftovers

    Lori Beauchamp
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Plastic as an alternative, phone batteries, the building and fuel to put a satellite in space to send cellphone signals? Big picture ya zealot.

    ferris209
    Community Member
    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who cares, they are animals, put upon this earth for our enjoyment whether that be for their skin, meat, or bones. Quit over-humanizing beasts.

    Quinn Alexander
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    6 years ago

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    Notice how those in the group all have these long, winded, overly verbose posts and everyone in the first group had all but the simplest, quickest response. Really makes you wonder who has to work harder to back themselves up.

    Bradley Roon
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    6 years ago

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    Meanwhile in the real world, modern factory farming practices destroy the soil turning it into deserts all over the world to the tune of hundreds of thousands of acres per year. What is the fastest, best, and healthiest solution to solving the nutritional and life destruction of our soils? Livestock. Grazing, large lifestock in rotational and managed systems which duplicate the (no longer possible) huge grazing herds that formed all the best soils on the planet... We need livestock. We don't need vegans. There has NEVER been a vegan society because in nature it doesn't make sense at all. You need technology there - and it uses more of the worst ag practices to continue it's imbalanced approach to soil health/our nutrition.

    Lidee Moril
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    6 years ago

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    I type this while eating a juicy cheeseburger. Vegans are worse than stinky poop.

    Fiendhunter
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    6 years ago

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    The response went viral? Really? That response? Because I can't find any revealing point in that. Yeah okay, the vegan guy's a bit entitled and probably naïve, but the company took the "yah, but others are so much worst so we're actually good" path and I don't really find that convincing.

    Joe Clark
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    6 years ago

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    How about if we make iPhone cases from vegans? Are they willing to make that sacrifice?

    Hans
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    6 years ago

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    Didn't we just have this series on fallacies? One thing that is wrong does not make the other right. Here, both are wrong. Indeed, a fair supply chain for electronic devices is almost impossible as of today. Leather may come from animals slaughtered for meat, yet it means more profits for the slaughterer an thus more animal production. Consuming less is what really helps the world.

    Nia Loves Art
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What more environmentally friendly material do you propose using instead? Leather does not require a lot of energy to produce and is biodegradable, unlike plastic.

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    phil blanque
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    6 years ago

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    If you buy any product from China...ANY product: PVC, steel, leather, plastics, clothes, toys, electronics...you are supporting the poisoning of the Earth, human beings, animals, wildlife, oceanlife. That is far worse than using skin from animals killed for meat.

    Meowton Mewsk
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    6 years ago

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    Perry Swift made the only comment with reason and logic and crybaby omnis got so hurt and uncomfortable that they downvoted clear and obvious reason. Emotional losers.

    Meowton Mewsk
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    6 years ago

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    So they justified their s****y practices by hiding behind a whataboutism. Why is BP always acting all trashy and panicking about vegans, posting anti-vegan propaganda like once every couple of weeks? Gross.

    Trisha Dragon
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    6 years ago

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    Plants make air breathable. Vegans should stop breathing air. Filthy hypocritical vegan animals raping poor plants of all their precious O2 excretions. You BASTARDS SHOULD ROT IN HELL! Or don't. Whatever. Just STFU.

    Notsoswift
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    6 years ago

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    Are vegans against harvesting stem cells from recently deceased humans in order to save other humans?

    anarkzie
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm vegan and I don't personally have a problem with it, not sure if that helps answer your question or not?

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    Tor Rolf Strøm
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    Oh, a human suffering is FAR worse than an animal dying? Says who? An animals is an animal, humans are animals. Also, where the hell do these people get the cows they make leather from? It's a total myth that leather products are made from skin that would be thrown away. Most leather products come from animals suffering greatly. I hope they got some kind of deal, but I doubt it.

    CHARLES PRUITT
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    vegans like him him need to die before they can pass on their genes

    Perry Swift
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    6 years ago

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    We don't agree with how smartphones are made, so we funded the murder of a cow to make a case for it. Yeah, well done.

    Diana R
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Regardless of moral high ground, the leather company had the more rational comment. But they both kinda ended up calling each other hypocrites. And you know, they both are hypocrites. Aren't we all if we're honest with ourselves?

    Aunt Messy
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So...what would he use? Plastic? Ok. Plastic is made from petroleum, which is an environmental disaster on a whole bunch of fronts, from destroying habitats, to smoke belching factories and when it wears out (a LOT faster than leather does) it ends up in landfills where it will be for eternity, since it NEVER breaks down. ...///... How about cotton? Ok. Cotton is grown in heavily irrigated areas in depleted soil that requires millions of tons of petroleum based fertilizers and chemical insecticides. It must be processed in the aforementioned smoke-belching factories and assembled in even more factories, but that happens overseas so the self-righteous don't have to look at it. ...///... Leather is readily available, easily processed, and when you're done with it, it decomposes easily.

    Zenozenobee
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was at a dinner once were a vegetarian was roast by a vegan cause she was a "hypocrite", "fake friend of animal" as she was using butter, milk or eggs and this is animal slavery. ( We, omnivorous, were never target) All the products this vegan girl brought to the dinner to replace or "monstruous products" were made with palm oil....

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    Naomi Armitage
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    RE: "While others claim that they’re business in unethical" Are you guys sure you're not looking to hire a freelance proofreader? My rates are very reasonable. Plus, I work weekends.

    Jo Choto
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think the best way to promote your beliefs is to support issues that you care about with your time and/or money. You can also buy/not buy whatever you choose and make a point that way. For example, I have never, and would never, eat McDonalds food or purchase anything that would put money in their corporate pockets. That's just a choice I make. Everyone else can eat there all day long. It's not my problem. It's not my job to attack companies or people. I speak with my wallet. If people want to know the good and the bad of an organization, they are free to research and decide for themselves. Everyone is allowed to have their own different thoughts, opinions and beliefs. I was a vegan for years and never once did I criticize or judge anyone else for making a different choice. I prefer to live and let live (and for me, that includes all the animals as well as the people).

    BoredDragonfly
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you for the great comment! It is the way everyone should think and act. Your life, your decisions. Period.

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    DC Blythe
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why the hell is everyone talking about killing animals for the leather as being a worse thing than producing plastic, which would be, for those aresholes the basic replacement raw material to use instead of animal skin. Kill one animal get 1000 or so wallets or phone cases. Make them out of plastic though, and you kill literally thousands of animals and people with waste and pollution.

    Master Markus
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Personally - and I'll try not to go on a tangent about this - I'm not a vegetarian, and I appreciate eating meat and making things from animal products, but I think that the way it's done on such a mass-market level is very uncomfortable for environmental reasons as well as ethical reasons (like, I don't want beef cattle to be in torturous conditions even if they'll be eaten). Either way, I feel like it's hypocritical for the leather company to talk about how phones are made unethically WHEN THEY'RE MAKING PHONE CASES. If you were making leather bags or coats or something, yeah, then you have an excuse because those are just "general products people need but made of leather", but you're making a product that RELIES ON THE THING YOU ARE CRITICIZING TO EXIST.

    Arran Walker
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That vegan is an overly dramatic idiot for suggesting the company uses horse hides, dogs, or cats for these leather products. Anyone who falls for such a false accusation is also an idiot. Cow hides are largely a byproduct of the meat industry, and it makes sense to use every part of an animal that has already been killed. Not using the hides would be a bigger waste of the animal’s death. A decreasing market in leather goods would not decrease the slaughter of these animals; the hides would just get wasted. The meat industry is too big and profitable to care what happens to hides. Ranchers would find their own uses for hides or, even worse... waste the hides and get more subsidies from the government to make up for lost profits.

    Deborah Rubin
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most vegans I've encountered are overly dramatic, not realizing they're shooting themselves in their collective feet.

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    Sarah Pearson
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A lot of leather comes from deceased dairy cows. They are skinned before being processed into bone meal. It's amazing how the whole animal gets put to use. There's a whole Dirty Jobs episode about it. Check it out

    pete stringer
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Both arguments are flawed because they are both correct arguments, there is no easy solution. The easiest solution would be to develop a synthetic product which performs better then real leather and is cheaper. Until this happens animal products such as leather are simply superior to faux alternatives. Skins are grown to last a lifetime. - Far better to use them to let them go to waste.

    Diana R
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! What do militant vegans ultimately want? Every cow to die a natural death, encased in its glorious leather skin and then be buried at a bovine cemetery?

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    Gerry Higgins
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you don't use the skin and eat the meat then the cow died for nothing. THAT's a waste.

    Kiki
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh STFU dude.If you don't believe in killing animals then fine, but leave everyone else alone.

    Nanzi Khumalo
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I appreciate the morality people have regarding leather or killing animals for leather, however, and I'm putting this out there, did anyone check to see which animals the leather is from? I mean if is cows, sheep or other animals people eat, wouldn't it be better to use their skin than waste it? Those animals will be killed and eaten by someone, so why waste their skin. I prefer the whole animal is used and its death mean more than a steak. But that's just me. I agree with not killing just for the leather, but if the leather is from animals already being killed for food, then let's not waste any part of it. But hey, each to his own!

    Dustin Kerksieck
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just for reference: A live steer is worth about $2300 and the hide is worth about $110, or just under 5% of the total value (based on 2014 commodity prices. I could be wrong, but I assume that percentage doesn't change all that much from year to year. source: http://feedlotmagazine.com/byproduct-exports-important-to-cattle-prices/).

    Pamela
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "...the earliest record of leather artifacts date back to at least 2200 BC..." No, a bit earlier than that! Genesis 3:21 The Lord God made garments of skin (i.e. animal hide) for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

    Chris Pitch
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Here is my two cents worth which will not make a lick of difference to others

    Malcontent
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd love a phone case made from a soft and fluffy dog or kitty, imagine how luxurious it would feel. /sarcasm Regardless of the economics and ethics of using leather for products, that vegan is a total moron and no doubt a hypocrite too.

    K. LNU
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did the anti-leather people not see the Bored Panda post about the young woman who gave up being vegan, and stated that she looks and feels SOOOOO much better? lol But seriously, unless you are wearing/using NO by-products of animal, not supporting slave-labor of many third-world countries (and including the USA), not driving a fossil-fueled vehicle, etc... then one should shut one's proverbial pie-hole and just live your own life, and stop worrying about others. *I'll get off my soapbox now. Thanks for letting me rant. ;)

    Deborah Rubin
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe they can walk around naked? What else can they hurt that way? Oh, wait.....

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    Tobias Meiner
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The person criticising the manufacturer was not pro-vegan but an animal rights advocate. 'Vegan' refers to diet, nothing more. These two groups may and often do overlap but are not synonymous.

    Rob Chapman
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just look at the dude's profile pic. He's got that "I'm so damn smug & full of myself that I deserve to be b***h slapped" look. Either that or he was on the verge of suffering a stroke because he hadn't told 50 people he was vegan the day he took that selfie.

    Slune
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Leather is degradable material used by centuries and the plus factor it keeps many different,traditional craftsmanship alive, what regrettably will be forgotten in future.

    Mortimer Snerd
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What about the corn that the cows have to eat?? Doesn't anyone care about the corn??

    KT Trondsen
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good grief, does that "internet warrior" have nothing better to do with his life? Did he honestly think his vegan induced comment would make a difference in the world? How pathetic can someone get. Cows will always get slaughtered, there's nothing to stop that from happening.

    Connie Bonneville
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm anti diamond. Slavery, child soldiers, etc. Some supermodels pose naked to disparage the fur industry but have no problem with draping themselves in diamonds or leather. It doesn't make sense. Humans suffer due to the diamond industry. It's easy to point a finger. Leather, fur, meat, diamonds. There are always alternatives. But that is sometimes oil based products and we don't like those either. But let's just try our best to do what's right.

    Kayes Sumo
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    3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    SUMO Digital Scale produces Digital Kitchen scale that is ensured for kitchen checking. There are clear Kitchen scales going from 3 kg to 10 kg having exactnesses 1 gm each. Change is done totally in own overall office. The Scales have the benefits like stunning LCD Display, high precision load cell, 150% over-trouble underwriting, strong improvement check plan, and so forth To see absolutely more mercifully coexist with us or visit our site. Page: https://shovaonline.com/products/kitchen-scale/ Phone: +8801730041751

    rhyan lumilay
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    is there a thing contrary to being a vegan? like they are concern about fruits and vegetables that grows and being harvested and cuts to pieces for the consumption of vegan? I know plants have feelings too and we need them to produce oxygen that we breathe.

    Catherine Spencer-Mills
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, does the anti-leather person have a cell phone? Do they care about the plastic body and parts contributing to climate change? Do they have a plastic phone cover, ditto? Do they care about slave labor and mining tailings and etc? You change your environment just by standing in one place until you die of dehydration - seeing as you don't want to impact your environment negatively by drinking water. You still change the environment as your body decomposes. I try to be sensible, but I am not unaware of all the impacts just living has.

    Jerome Goodwin
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think all those that complained should not wear anything that uses animal products which would inculcated cars and chairs or anything in the house then let them complain.

    LBC
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OK, just what is "vegan leather"? I see that label on purses and such. Tanned cornhusks? I get that some people don't want leather and that's their choice,. I just don't get why it's called leather albeit vegan leather instead of just saying "Made of synthetics". I think it's pandering.

    Azziza
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's polyurethane. So basically made from fossil fuels in a way that is toxic to the environment. Good job vegans.

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    Kats Peterson
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That leather case is the only biodegradable part of that device. The rest will end up in a third-world toxic slag heap being picked over by desperately poor people and children, in order to try to salvage some bit of salvageable material to sell for food.

    M O'Connell
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually that style of ewaste disposal has diminished ENORMOUSLY in the last 10 years. The process of breaking down ewaste is now a quite-well refined mechanical process. And actually, many 'recycled' smartphones are actually literally recycled. They arrive in those poorer parts of the world, are sorted by manufacturer and model, then guys who would make MacGuyver s**t himself take the pile of brokenness and churn out perfectly working phones by swapping parts back and forth. That's how those less-developed places manage to put an iPhone3 in every pocket. I also appreciate that the leather feels better in the hand, is more grippy than plastic, can be tooled with traditional leather-working tools into whatever design you want, and will certainly be biodegradable in the end. Before the smartphone-shaming begins, I use a flip-phone from 2014.

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    Jace
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yay, more cherry picking to showcase how horrible and irrational ALL vegans must be. I can’t wait to read it. Then I will be excited to read the centrist, positionless position statement where “everyone is hypocritical if you really think about it” that gets most up-voted in the comments so that everyone feels superior over anyone who takes a strong stance on anything at all. Wheee! I almost prefer the people who just admit to not caring about animals, rather than the people who try to put themselves into a superior position over the arguments of both vegans and meat eaters.

    noitall man
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    First, if you are sending comments out from a "company" twitter or whatever, try speaking proper english. Second, why not respond "while we appreciate your concern for the animals, and support your decision to not purchase products containing animals, we would also like to ask that your support in allowing us to live our lives as we see fit. You are welcome to not purchase our products and we will not be insulted."

    DrVaseem
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Alright, but why sell the cover so expensive, when you got it from the people who were going to throw it? So you saying you got the skin for peanuts, and selling it for Dollars.. hmm?

    Diana R
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Overhead, wages, insurance, ya know, the cost of doing business. If they're too expensive nobody will buy them so the market put him out of business or force him to lower prices. In theory.

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    Mr. Re-in-act-ment
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes they wait for the cow to die. But when the meat industry comes, the leather industry takes the leftovers

    Lori Beauchamp
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Plastic as an alternative, phone batteries, the building and fuel to put a satellite in space to send cellphone signals? Big picture ya zealot.

    ferris209
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who cares, they are animals, put upon this earth for our enjoyment whether that be for their skin, meat, or bones. Quit over-humanizing beasts.

    Quinn Alexander
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    6 years ago

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    Notice how those in the group all have these long, winded, overly verbose posts and everyone in the first group had all but the simplest, quickest response. Really makes you wonder who has to work harder to back themselves up.

    Bradley Roon
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    6 years ago

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    Meanwhile in the real world, modern factory farming practices destroy the soil turning it into deserts all over the world to the tune of hundreds of thousands of acres per year. What is the fastest, best, and healthiest solution to solving the nutritional and life destruction of our soils? Livestock. Grazing, large lifestock in rotational and managed systems which duplicate the (no longer possible) huge grazing herds that formed all the best soils on the planet... We need livestock. We don't need vegans. There has NEVER been a vegan society because in nature it doesn't make sense at all. You need technology there - and it uses more of the worst ag practices to continue it's imbalanced approach to soil health/our nutrition.

    Lidee Moril
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    6 years ago

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    I type this while eating a juicy cheeseburger. Vegans are worse than stinky poop.

    Fiendhunter
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    6 years ago

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    The response went viral? Really? That response? Because I can't find any revealing point in that. Yeah okay, the vegan guy's a bit entitled and probably naïve, but the company took the "yah, but others are so much worst so we're actually good" path and I don't really find that convincing.

    Joe Clark
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    6 years ago

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    How about if we make iPhone cases from vegans? Are they willing to make that sacrifice?

    Hans
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    6 years ago

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    Didn't we just have this series on fallacies? One thing that is wrong does not make the other right. Here, both are wrong. Indeed, a fair supply chain for electronic devices is almost impossible as of today. Leather may come from animals slaughtered for meat, yet it means more profits for the slaughterer an thus more animal production. Consuming less is what really helps the world.

    Nia Loves Art
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What more environmentally friendly material do you propose using instead? Leather does not require a lot of energy to produce and is biodegradable, unlike plastic.

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    phil blanque
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    6 years ago

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    If you buy any product from China...ANY product: PVC, steel, leather, plastics, clothes, toys, electronics...you are supporting the poisoning of the Earth, human beings, animals, wildlife, oceanlife. That is far worse than using skin from animals killed for meat.

    Meowton Mewsk
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    6 years ago

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    Perry Swift made the only comment with reason and logic and crybaby omnis got so hurt and uncomfortable that they downvoted clear and obvious reason. Emotional losers.

    Meowton Mewsk
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    6 years ago

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    So they justified their s****y practices by hiding behind a whataboutism. Why is BP always acting all trashy and panicking about vegans, posting anti-vegan propaganda like once every couple of weeks? Gross.

    Trisha Dragon
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    6 years ago

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    Plants make air breathable. Vegans should stop breathing air. Filthy hypocritical vegan animals raping poor plants of all their precious O2 excretions. You BASTARDS SHOULD ROT IN HELL! Or don't. Whatever. Just STFU.

    Notsoswift
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    6 years ago

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    Are vegans against harvesting stem cells from recently deceased humans in order to save other humans?

    anarkzie
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    6 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm vegan and I don't personally have a problem with it, not sure if that helps answer your question or not?

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    Tor Rolf Strøm
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    Oh, a human suffering is FAR worse than an animal dying? Says who? An animals is an animal, humans are animals. Also, where the hell do these people get the cows they make leather from? It's a total myth that leather products are made from skin that would be thrown away. Most leather products come from animals suffering greatly. I hope they got some kind of deal, but I doubt it.

    CHARLES PRUITT
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    vegans like him him need to die before they can pass on their genes

    Perry Swift
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    We don't agree with how smartphones are made, so we funded the murder of a cow to make a case for it. Yeah, well done.

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